Why is antisemitism more pronounced among. Muslims?

[surada]

There is no other way to see it. That's my point. As crazy as it sounds that's what history recorded.

Nope. Neither history nor archaeology support the foundational myths.

 

[hobelim]

Walked on water and fed the masses?

Yes. But you think Jesus was handing out fish sandwiches in the middle of the desert out of thin air. Isn't that ridiculous? The people came to hear teaching from God not to eat lunch

The multiplication of the loaves was Jesus taking his first seven disciples represented by five loaves and two fish satisfying the hunger of thousands of skeptical people fed up with false prophets and ending up with 12 disciples, represented by 12 basketfuls of uneaten pieces, "uneaten pieces", being some things that Jesus taught which the crowd could not swallow.

7 disciples became 12! The multiplication of the loaves! A miracle!

Nothing supernatural yet a miracle nevertheless. Miracle being better translated as a sign. A sign that Jesus was exactly who he said he was.

 

[ding]

Nope. Neither history nor archaeology support the foundational myths.

The accounts can't be read any other way than historical. Your bias against all things supernatural is blinding you from this fact.

It's hard to imagine what your perception of God is if you deny all things supernatural. That you would label yourself as Christian is illogical.

 

[surada]

The accounts can't be read any other way than historical. Your bias against all things supernatural is blinding you from this fact.

It's hard to imagine what your perception of God is if you deny all things supernatural. That you would label yourself as Christian is illogical.

Do you believe in the supernatural? Do you believe in demons?

 

[ding]

Yes. But you think Jesus was handing out fish sandwiches in the middle of the desert out of thin air. Isn't that ridiculous? The people gathered to hear teaching from God not eat lunch

The multiplication of the loaves was Jesus taking his first seven disciples represented by five loaves and two fish satisfying the hunger of thousands of skeptical people fed up with false prophets and ending up with 12 disciples, represented by 12 basketfuls of uneaten pieces, "uneaten pieces", being some things that Jesus taught which the crowd could not swallow.

7 disciples became 12! The multiplication of the loaves! A miracle!

Nothing supernatural yet a miracle nevertheless. Miracle being better translated as a sign. A sign that Jesus was exactly who he said he was.

The universe was create from nothing which sounds incredible but that's what the CMB recorded. So as incredible as multiplying fish and bread sounds, that's what was recorded as happening.

 

[ding]

Do you believe in the supernatural? Do you believe in demons?

I believe that what we call supernatural is quite natural to the supernatural. The closet I can come to perceiving the supernatural is consciousness. I don't go beyond that with regard to details like angels and demons because there is no need.

 

[hobelim]

So as incredible as multiplying fish and bread sounds, that's what was recorded as happening.

You do know that a fish was an early symbol of a follower of Jesus just as bread was symbolic of teaching? How can you fail to see that Jesus was not speaking about bread?

So please relax ding. I do not expect for you to grasp any of this. If scripture is true you may be lost and gone forever. I am speaking for the benefit of those standing around, watching.

 

[BreezeWood]

Walked on water and fed the masses?

it was high tide ... only a christian would believe the heavens would provide free of charge their living creations to be eaten at a religious carnival.

 

[ding]

You do know that a fish was an early symbol of a follower of Jesus just as bread was symbolic of teaching? How can you fail to see that Jesus was not speaking about bread?

So please relax ding. I do not expect for you to grasp any of this. If scripture is true you may be lost and gone forever. I am speaking for the benefit of those standing around, watching.

The accounts of the many miracles that Jesus performed can't be read any other way than historical. That's why your and Surada's secular narrative will never be accepted. There are too many holes in trying to turn a historical account into an made up allegorical account.

 

[ding]

it was high tide ... only a christian would believe the heavens would provide free of charge their living creations to be eaten at a religious carnival.

Actually the account of the storm has historical precedence. The Sea of Galilee is the lowest freshwater lake on earth at approximately 210 m (700 ft) below sea level. It is longer than it is wide. At its widest points, the lake measures 21 km (13 mi) from north to south and 12 km (7.5 mi) from east to west and is surrounded by hills. The elevation, shape and contour of the lake make it susceptible to storms. Violent storms do "roll" in there suddenly. They even have a name for it. They are called Sharkias.

"...Such storms result from differences in temperatures between the seacoast and the mountains beyond. The Sea of Galilee lies 680 feet below sea level. It is bounded by hills, especially on the east side where they reach 2000 feet high. These heights are a source of cool, dry air. In contrast, directly around the sea, the climate is semi-tropical with warm, moist air. The large difference in height between surrounding land and the sea causes large temperature and pressure changes. This results in strong winds dropping to the sea, funneling through the hills. The Sea of Galilee is small, and these winds may descend directly to the center of the lake with violent results. When the contrasting air masses meet, a storm can arise quickly and without warning. Small boats caught out on the sea are in immediate danger..."

SEA OF GALILEE - What's special about the Sea of Galilee? Why does it have sudden storms? • KidExplorers.com / ChristianAnswers.Net

 

[hobelim]

The accounts of the many miracles that Jesus performed can't be read any other way than historical.

Well, things may not be so simple for the intelligent or anyone who has ever read a fairy tale. What you are perpetuating is a lie as ridiculous as if someone in the future found the story of the three pigs buried in the ruins of an ancient culture and concluded that there was a time in history when pigs could talk and build houses, so they felt compelled to create a religion, build churches, and erect statues to worship the wise pig and persecuted anyone who didn't believe as if they were the big bad wolf incarnate because it can't be read any other way.

It would be a fascinating religion..... but stupid. right?

 

[ding]

Well, things may not be so simple for the intelligent or anyone who has ever read a fairy tale. What you are perpetuating is a lie as ridiculous as if someone in the future found the story of the three pigs buried in the ruins of an ancient culture and concluded that there was a time in history when pigs could talk and build houses, so they felt compelled to create a religion, build churches, and erect statues to worship the wise pig and persecuted anyone who didn't believe as if they were the big bad wolf incarnate because it can't be read any other way.

It would be a fascinating religion..... but stupid. right?

They aren't fairy tales. They are the historical account of the 3 1/2 year ministry of Jesus Christ. And can only be read that way because that's how the authors intended them to be read because they wrote them that way.

 

[hobelim]

They aren't fairy tales. They are the historical account of the 3 1/2 year ministry of Jesus Christ. And can only be read that way because that's how the authors intended them to be read because they wrote them that way.

Any story written by men that starts with "in the beginning" just like "once upon a time" and immediately introduces a talking serpent with despicable human traits is a fairy tale with a hidden teaching, a moral to the story to educate children about hard learned lessons of the past.

You live in a fantasy world dude where idiots are holy men and reality is whatever you want it to be... I ain't buying your bullshit so fuck off, worship a matzo, and enjoy your delusions!

 

[ding]

Any story written by men that starts with "in the beginning" just like "once upon a time" and immediately introduces a talking serpent with despicable human traits is a fairy tale with a hidden teaching or moral to the story to educate children about hard learned lessons of the past.

Preach on secular Jesus!!!!

 

[ding]

Amen, secular jesus, Amen!! ~surada

 

[hobelim]

Preach on secular Jesus!!!!

It is written that when naughty boys stay on Pleasure Island too long those donkey ears growing on your head are there to stay for life. (Pinocchio 3:14)

Can I get a hee haw?

 

[ding]

It is written that when naughty boys stay on Pleasure Island too long those donkey ears growing on your head are there to stay for life. (Pinocchio 3:14)

Can I get a hee haw?

No, but you can get an A for imagination for secularizing the miracles performed by Jesus.

 

[JustAGuy1]

Dallas Theological Seminary?

Nope, the Bible.

 

[JustAGuy1]

Well, you take the Bible literally. Others look for a deeper message.

A deeper message than God's own Word? Aren't you special.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

A deeper message than God's own Word? Aren't you special.

Surada's so-called "Prophet" was a mass murderer, a serial rapist, a thief and a pedophile.