Why is naturalism considered scientific and creationism is not ?

[orogenicman]

That is correct and it will one day give off no more energy, it's been figured mathematically at 5 billion years from now.

The sun obeys the laws of thermodynamics because it is a closed system. The Earth, however, is not a closed system. It gains energy - from the sun. And when the sun dies, and it will eventually, it won't matter if the Earth then becomes a closed system - it won't because it will be destroyed when the sun dies. And that is something else entirely.

Agreed, but clearly the earth is affected by the 2nd law.

The second law applies to closed systems. The Earth is not a closed system.

 

[Derideo_Te]

The sun obeys the laws of thermodynamics because it is a closed system. The Earth, however, is not a closed system. It gains energy - from the sun. And when the sun dies, and it will eventually, it won't matter if the Earth then becomes a closed system - it won't because it will be destroyed when the sun dies. And that is something else entirely.

Agreed, but clearly the earth is affected by the 2nd law.

The second law applies to closed systems. The Earth is not a closed system.

True, but YWC must be a closed system because nothing is getting through to him.

 

[orogenicman]

Agreed, but clearly the earth is affected by the 2nd law.

The second law applies to closed systems. The Earth is not a closed system.

True, but YWC must be a closed system because nothing is getting through to him.

Indeed.

 

[Youwerecreated]

The sun obeys the laws of thermodynamics because it is a closed system. The Earth, however, is not a closed system. It gains energy - from the sun. And when the sun dies, and it will eventually, it won't matter if the Earth then becomes a closed system - it won't because it will be destroyed when the sun dies. And that is something else entirely.

Agreed, but clearly the earth is affected by the 2nd law.

The second law applies to closed systems. The Earth is not a closed system.

I understand this.

Then maybe they have wrongly defined what the earth is because it is clear everything on this planet eventually decays unless they are maintained in some way.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Agreed, but clearly the earth is affected by the 2nd law.

The second law applies to closed systems. The Earth is not a closed system.

True, but YWC must be a closed system because nothing is getting through to him.

True, my body is experiencing a slow drift towards disorder.

 

[orogenicman]

Agreed, but clearly the earth is affected by the 2nd law.

The second law applies to closed systems. The Earth is not a closed system.

I understand this.

Then maybe they have wrongly defined what the earth is because it is clear everything on this planet eventually decays unless they are maintained in some way.

The difference is that without the input of energy from the sun, there would be no life at all. So life is indeed maintained, and this happens because we have a healthy energy budget coming from the sun.

 

[Hollie]

Agreed, but clearly the earth is affected by the 2nd law.

The second law applies to closed systems. The Earth is not a closed system.

I understand this.

Then maybe they have wrongly defined what the earth is because it is clear everything on this planet eventually decays unless they are maintained in some way.

Yeah. That must be it. "They" have it wrong because science conflicts with your worldview which is based upon a literal interpretation of the bibles.

 

[Youwerecreated]

The second law applies to closed systems. The Earth is not a closed system.

I understand this.

Then maybe they have wrongly defined what the earth is because it is clear everything on this planet eventually decays unless they are maintained in some way.

The difference is that without the input of energy from the sun, there would be no life at all. So life is indeed maintained, and this happens because we have a healthy energy budget coming from the sun.

Yep without the sun we would definitely not exist, and it does give us the energy needed to survive our life cycle. eventually though the nutrients we take in is not enough and our bodies break down and we eventually die.

Same as our cars ,homes,and everything around us.

 

[Youwerecreated]

The second law applies to closed systems. The Earth is not a closed system.

I understand this.

Then maybe they have wrongly defined what the earth is because it is clear everything on this planet eventually decays unless they are maintained in some way.

Yeah. That must be it. "They" have it wrong because science conflicts with your worldview which is based upon a literal interpretation of the bibles.

No it doesn't, only unfounded theories you claim is science.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I understand this.

Then maybe they have wrongly defined what the earth is because it is clear everything on this planet eventually decays unless they are maintained in some way.

The difference is that without the input of energy from the sun, there would be no life at all. So life is indeed maintained, and this happens because we have a healthy energy budget coming from the sun.

Yep without the sun we would definitely not exist, and it does give us the energy needed to survive our life cycle. eventually though the nutrients we take in is not enough and our bodies break down and we eventually die.

Same as our cars ,homes,and everything around us.

Yep without the sun we would definitely not exist, and it does give us the energy needed to survive our life cycle.

That energy which allows evolution to occur. Despite your 2nd Law confusion. Excellent!

 

[Hollie]

I understand this.

Then maybe they have wrongly defined what the earth is because it is clear everything on this planet eventually decays unless they are maintained in some way.

Yeah. That must be it. "They" have it wrong because science conflicts with your worldview which is based upon a literal interpretation of the bibles.

No it doesn't, only unfounded theories you claim is science.

What "unfounded" theories are you babbling about?

Not all scientific theories are "law". Is the theory of gravity "unfounded"? How about Special Relativity?

How about conservation of energy? Do we throw it out because of biblical tales and fables?

Do the bibles supply the theory of magic which supplant natural laws?

 

[orogenicman]

I understand this.

Then maybe they have wrongly defined what the earth is because it is clear everything on this planet eventually decays unless they are maintained in some way.

The difference is that without the input of energy from the sun, there would be no life at all. So life is indeed maintained, and this happens because we have a healthy energy budget coming from the sun.

Yep without the sun we would definitely not exist, and it does give us the energy needed to survive our life cycle. eventually though the nutrients we take in is not enough and our bodies break down and we eventually die.

Same as our cars ,homes,and everything around us.

Yes, but without the external energy (food, water, sunlight), we would not only die much faster, we would not even exist. The 2nd law only applies for isolated (closed) systems. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

 

[eots]

Yeah. That must be it. "They" have it wrong because science conflicts with your worldview which is based upon a literal interpretation of the bibles.

No it doesn't, only unfounded theories you claim is science.

What "unfounded" theories are you babbling about?

Not all scientific theories are "law". Is the theory of gravity "unfounded"? How about Special Relativity?

How about conservation of energy? Do we throw it out because of biblical tales and fables?

Do the bibles supply the theory of magic which supplant natural laws?

conservation of energy and gravity are laws...unlike for example sting theory

 

[orogenicman]

No it doesn't, only unfounded theories you claim is science.

What "unfounded" theories are you babbling about?

Not all scientific theories are "law". Is the theory of gravity "unfounded"? How about Special Relativity?

How about conservation of energy? Do we throw it out because of biblical tales and fables?

Do the bibles supply the theory of magic which supplant natural laws?

conservation of energy and gravity are laws...unlike for example sting theory

Sting theory? Is that like when you tell what you consider to be a biting joke but end up falling flat on your face?

I don't think anyone here is arguing that string (note spelling) theory is a scientific law. But neither is it something you can simply set aside. Just so we are clear, you cannot say "it is only a theory".

 

[Youwerecreated]

The difference is that without the input of energy from the sun, there would be no life at all. So life is indeed maintained, and this happens because we have a healthy energy budget coming from the sun.

Yep without the sun we would definitely not exist, and it does give us the energy needed to survive our life cycle. eventually though the nutrients we take in is not enough and our bodies break down and we eventually die.

Same as our cars ,homes,and everything around us.

Yep without the sun we would definitely not exist, and it does give us the energy needed to survive our life cycle.

That energy which allows evolution to occur. Despite your 2nd Law confusion. Excellent!

You will one day understand the life cycle is not evolution, and you will see the down side of that programmed cycle some day.

 

[Youwerecreated]

The difference is that without the input of energy from the sun, there would be no life at all. So life is indeed maintained, and this happens because we have a healthy energy budget coming from the sun.

Yep without the sun we would definitely not exist, and it does give us the energy needed to survive our life cycle. eventually though the nutrients we take in is not enough and our bodies break down and we eventually die.

Same as our cars ,homes,and everything around us.

Yes, but without the external energy (food, water, sunlight), we would not only die much faster, we would not even exist. The 2nd law only applies for isolated (closed) systems. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

I believe that is what I said. Maybe the earth is defined wrong because you see the effects of the 2nd law all around you why is this hard for you to grasp ?

 

[Hollie]

Yep without the sun we would definitely not exist, and it does give us the energy needed to survive our life cycle. eventually though the nutrients we take in is not enough and our bodies break down and we eventually die.

Same as our cars ,homes,and everything around us.

Yep without the sun we would definitely not exist, and it does give us the energy needed to survive our life cycle.

That energy which allows evolution to occur. Despite your 2nd Law confusion. Excellent!

You will one day understand the life cycle is not evolution, and you will see the down side of that programmed cycle some day.

Predictable. When your arguments fail, you typically resort to threats / warnings of judgements from the gods.

You're really in no position to be judging others.

 

[Youwerecreated]

I believe several theories that are widely accepted are accepted based on to much conjecture.

 

[Hollie]

I believe several theories that are widely accepted are accepted based on to much conjecture.

Of course you do, dear.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Yep without the sun we would definitely not exist, and it does give us the energy needed to survive our life cycle.

That energy which allows evolution to occur. Despite your 2nd Law confusion. Excellent!

You will one day understand the life cycle is not evolution, and you will see the down side of that programmed cycle some day.

Predictable. When your arguments fail, you typically resort to threats / warnings of judgements from the gods.

You're really in no position to be judging others.

Hollie it is a fact once an organism reaches it's prime, it is all down hill from there .now do you need an explanation of this observed fact ?