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I heard that before and it is irrelevent. That has never happened. It is an excuse to legitimize control over another's body.The one thing they do not have is the right to another human beings body.A woman has a choice to make that will affect her life........offer her a better optionAgain. If you truly believe it is not achild. . . Then what is there not to be happy about if the woman wants or gets an abortion?
Tell me why I should care more about HER life when she obviously doesn't have any regard for her own child's life or rights.
Notice that was not put forth as a question. There is a reason for that.
Human beings (including the moms AND their children) have RIGHTS and those rights are not contingent upon whether or not ANYONE cares about anything. So, the "caring" shit is nothing more than a diversion attempt and a red herring.
If someone (anyone really) were to grab you and then connect your body to theirs in such a way that YOU would die if the connection is severed before the time of 7-9 months. . . .
You don't think you would have a right to expect that connection to be maintained?
You don't need to answer because the fact is you WOULD. Whether you think you would or not.
In your world there is no rape or incest? Must be nice.And why can't "progressives" understand that almost all women availing themselves of abortions DID already decide to open their legs and conceive the child in the first place. They always have a choice not to screw anything with a dick.Maybe it is not a celebration of abortion but a celebration of the freedom to make your own decisions and not have gov't intrude on your personal life. You'd think conservatives would understand.
In your world, the fact that there's rape and incest requires a universal right to abortion anytime, anywhere, for any reason?
Or are you laboring under the delusion that most abortions are done on women who were raped or screwed by family members?
Or how about the wife who cosents then later decided she didn't consent? Abortion?
Jo
These days, she'd charge him with spousal rape and join the #MeToo movement.
I feel for you, you must really hate America.For the most partOnly 18% of Americans believe abortions should be illegal in ALL cases. Are 82% of Americans "leftardz" or are the vast majority of American in favor of choice in some cases?
Yes.
I heard that before and it is irrelevent. That has never happened. It is an excuse to legitimize control over another's body.The one thing they do not have is the right to another human beings body.A woman has a choice to make that will affect her life........offer her a better optionAgain. If you truly believe it is not achild. . . Then what is there not to be happy about if the woman wants or gets an abortion?
Tell me why I should care more about HER life when she obviously doesn't have any regard for her own child's life or rights.
Notice that was not put forth as a question. There is a reason for that.
Human beings (including the moms AND their children) have RIGHTS and those rights are not contingent upon whether or not ANYONE cares about anything. So, the "caring" shit is nothing more than a diversion attempt and a red herring.
If someone (anyone really) were to grab you and then connect your body to theirs in such a way that YOU would die if the connection is severed before the time of 7-9 months. . . .
You don't think you would have a right to expect that connection to be maintained?
You don't need to answer because the fact is you WOULD. Whether you think you would or not.
To be the product of incest indicates an abnormal family dynamic and that may have a negative effect on the baby.Because. .Honestly, not a subject I've thought much about... If the mother had not intended to get pregnant and then did not want to keep the baby, the incest should be a factor in whether she is allowed to have an abortion.
Why?
She might've had some fun sometimes.To be the product of incest indicates an abnormal family dynamic and that may have a negative effect on the baby.Because. .Honestly, not a subject I've thought much about... If the mother had not intended to get pregnant and then did not want to keep the baby, the incest should be a factor in whether she is allowed to have an abortion.
Why?
To be the product of incest indicates an abnormal family dynamic and that may have a negative effect on the baby.Because. .Honestly, not a subject I've thought much about... If the mother had not intended to get pregnant and then did not want to keep the baby, the incest should be a factor in whether she is allowed to have an abortion.
Why?
Spin it any way you want, it means that the vast majority of Americans believe there are cases when abortion is justified. I'm sure there are a full range of opinions on exactly what is a justification.Disingenuous. You forgot to mention that only 29% of those polled (rather a different proposition) believe that abortion should be LEGAL in all cases. 50% of those polled believe it should be legal only in certain cases, which generally means the blessedly rare hard cases of rape, incest, and danger to the mother's life.
So you can interpret that as "most Americans approve of abortion", or you can interpret it as "most American disapprove of abortion".
Spin it any way you want, it means that the vast majority of Americans believe there are cases when abortion is justified. I'm sure there are a full range of opinions on exactly what is a justification.Disingenuous. You forgot to mention that only 29% of those polled (rather a different proposition) believe that abortion should be LEGAL in all cases. 50% of those polled believe it should be legal only in certain cases, which generally means the blessedly rare hard cases of rape, incest, and danger to the mother's life.
So you can interpret that as "most Americans approve of abortion", or you can interpret it as "most American disapprove of abortion".
What I said was that the incest should be a factor. I also believe a negative effect on the baby should be a factor.To be the product of incest indicates an abnormal family dynamic and that may have a negative effect on the baby.Because. .Honestly, not a subject I've thought much about... If the mother had not intended to get pregnant and then did not want to keep the baby, the incest should be a factor in whether she is allowed to have an abortion.
Why?
How does consent change that biological fact?
You said earlier that you opposed abortions for situations where the incest was consented to by adults.
To be the product of incest indicates an abnormal family dynamic and that may have a negative effect on the baby.Because. .Honestly, not a subject I've thought much about... If the mother had not intended to get pregnant and then did not want to keep the baby, the incest should be a factor in whether she is allowed to have an abortion.
Why?
Yes, I do favor euthanasia and believe it should be a factor in whether an abortion should be allowed.So your foundation for this position is actually euthanasia.....
Jo
If you're going Biblical you're going there without me. I don't think there is a place for religion on this issue.Aren't we all products of incest.
Jo
To be the product of incest indicates an abnormal family dynamic and that may have a negative effect on the baby.Because. .Honestly, not a subject I've thought much about... If the mother had not intended to get pregnant and then did not want to keep the baby, the incest should be a factor in whether she is allowed to have an abortion.
Why?
Spin it any way you want, it means that the vast majority of Americans believe there are cases when abortion is justified. I'm sure there are a full range of opinions on exactly what is a justification.Disingenuous. You forgot to mention that only 29% of those polled (rather a different proposition) believe that abortion should be LEGAL in all cases. 50% of those polled believe it should be legal only in certain cases, which generally means the blessedly rare hard cases of rape, incest, and danger to the mother's life.
So you can interpret that as "most Americans approve of abortion", or you can interpret it as "most American disapprove of abortion".
If you're going Biblical you're going there without me. I don't think there is a place for religion on this issue.Aren't we all products of incest.
Jo
What I said was that the incest should be a factor. I also believe a negative effect on the baby should be a factor.To be the product of incest indicates an abnormal family dynamic and that may have a negative effect on the baby.Because. .Honestly, not a subject I've thought much about... If the mother had not intended to get pregnant and then did not want to keep the baby, the incest should be a factor in whether she is allowed to have an abortion.
Why?
How does consent change that biological fact?
You said earlier that you opposed abortions for situations where the incest was consented to by adults.
I think the final call, if an abortion to be allowed, must be based on ALL the factors not just a single one, the life of the embryo or fetus.
Kill a baby? No. Prevent a fertilized egg from developing into a baby? Yes, rather than force a woman to carry it.So it's better to kill the baby rather than to, for example, send him to live with a better family?
They likely suffer more than others. Is it more humane to prevent a fertilized egg from developing into a baby that will suffer more than usual? Yes, if the mother agrees.Because otherwise, what does that say about children who live in any sort of dysfunctional family?
I've raised children. The feel pain, think, and show emotion, even when they are very young. Fertilized eggs don't. Why do you call a fertilized egg a baby or a child?I think the final call, if an abortion to be allowed, must be based on ALL the factors not just a single one, the life of the embryo or fetus.
Why don't you ever call it a child?
