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I read that the shooter had tried to get into the "club" and was denied entry. Have you heard anything to this effect because I imagine that he wasn't wearing kevlar when he originally tried to enter cause of the "dress code" <sort of>The guy in Ohio had body armorIt's Texas, so of course there were plenty of "good guys with a gun" they just didn't want to go up against an assault weapon with a little pistol. So much for the NRA's good guy with a gum BULLSHIT.It takes quite some time to fire that many shots individually, as this guy did, walking aisle to aisle, through the store. If there had been an armed security guard, or any armed citizen with a CCW license, this guy could have (and should have) been stopped cold after the first 2 or 3 shots.
Not many Walmart shoppers do
if there are many CCW around, then they won't know who the real shooter is, probablyThe El Paso Walmart shooter killed 20 people (so far) and wounded 26 more. He may well have fired some shots missing people also. It's pretty fair to say this nut fired at least 50 shots, and very possibly well more than that.
It takes quite some time to fire that many shots individually, as this guy did, walking aisle to aisle, through the store. If there had been an armed security guard, or any armed citizen with a CCW license, this guy could have (and should have) been stopped cold after the first 2 or 3 shots.
As someone who has a CCW license, and is armed 99% of the time, when I'm walking around outside, it is amazing to me that there could have been that many people walking around unarmed and defenseless. Why? Don't they know something like this could happen at any time ?
In contrast, in 2002, a Muslim terrorist (Hesham Mohamed Hadayet) walked into Los Angeles Airport (LAX) armed with 2 handguns, plus magazines loaded with dozens of bullets. He shot and killed 2 people, and wounded 4. The airport was filled with people. The terrorist was shot dead right on the spot, by a security guard who was armed and ready to deal. Without that good guy with a gun, the airport would have been a bloodbath, just like this WalMart, and probably even worse.
This ARMED DEFENSE is what should have been the case in El Paso. How this guy could pull off what he did without getting shot, by a ard or CCW carrying citizen is mind boggling.
2002 Los Angeles International Airport shooting - Wikipedia
Referring to simple self-defense as "wild west/shoot-out’ fantasy" illustrates just how ridiculous and wrong liberals are concerning the issue of gun crime and violence.This ‘wild west/shoot-out’ fantasy common to most on the right illustrates just how ridiculous and wrong conservatives are concerning the issue of gun crime and violence.
Yeah ? How long did it take you to dream that up ?It seems that most armed citizens run away when the shooting starts
I agreeThis is only an opinion, but I believe you are naive. For an ordinary civilian shopper, even if armed, it takes a while to figure out what is happening and where it is coming from. Texas is a open carry State and I doubt there were no armed shoppers. However they were mentally geared for WalMart, not Fallujah. I think we're lucky no innocent shopper was killed by a 'good guy with a gun'.The El Paso Walmart shooter killed 20 people (so far) and wounded 26 more. He may well have fired some shots missing people also. It's pretty fair to say this nut fired at least 50 shots, and very possibly well more than that.
It takes quite some time to fire that many shots individually, as this guy did, walking aisle to aisle, through the store. If there had been an armed security guard, or any armed citizen with a CCW license, this guy could have (and should have) been stopped cold after the first 2 or 3 shots.
As someone who has a CCW license, and is armed 99% of the time, when I'm walking around outside, it is amazing to me that there could have been that many people walking around unarmed and defenseless. Why? Don't they know something like this could happen at any time ?
In contrast, in 2002, a Muslim terrorist (Hesham Mohamed Hadayet) walked into Los Angeles Airport (LAX) armed with 2 handguns, plus magazines loaded with dozens of bullets. He shot and killed 2 people, and wounded 4. The airport was filled with people. The terrorist was shot dead right on the spot, by a security guard who was armed and ready to deal. Without that good guy with a gun, the airport would have been a bloodbath, just like this WalMart, and probably even worse.
This ARMED DEFENSE is what should have been the case in El Paso. How this guy could pull off what he did without getting shot, by a guard or CCW carrying citizen is mind boggling.
2002 Los Angeles International Airport shooting - Wikipedia
As I mentioned earlier, it's a good thing that stupid idea didn't prevail in the LAX shooting incident, or hundreds of people now alive would be dead.In a situation like in El Paso, that is probably a smart thing to do.
First you secure yourself in COVER. Then you start peppering the assailant with shots at a distance of less than 20 feet. When he's lying on the floor dead, you'll need not worry about exiting. (or thinking about being a coward)Should I engage in a shoot out with that guy with an AK-47 or should I exit that door?
but he has you outgunned...First you secure yourself in COVER. Then you start peppering the assailant with shots at a distance of less than 20 feet. When he's lying on the floor dead, you'll need not worry about exiting. (or thinking about being a coward)Should I engage in a shoot out with that guy with an AK-47 or should I exit that door?
HA HA. The posts are getting dumber and dumber. The rifle the shooter had was a semi-automatic single shot weapon, same as any semiautomatic pistol. At a close range, it has no advantage over a pistol, which will get you just as dead as the rifle will. No charge for the tutoring.It's Texas, so of course there were plenty of "good guys with a gun" they just didn't want to go up against an assault weapon with a little pistol. So much for the NRA's good guy with a gum BULLSHIT.
Was there ever any question about that ?It certain situations it is fine.
But if you take any serious firearms course and the topic comes up, they will tell you NOT to draw a weapon and try to confront the shooter until you are sure what is going on, who is doing the shooting, and how many people are doing it.
You wanna (unarmed) walk up to him and tell him that ?I call BULLSHIT. You just made that shit up out of thin air, as usual.
The gunman is seen entering with his rifle in plain sight and nobody told him it was banned.
With one well-place shot at close round (from a protected position) ALL could have been out of harm's way. Perhaps the biggest question this thread needs to have answered is does this mall and WalMart have a gun-free zone policy, and is it government law ?The armed man also focused on helping get children out of harms way.
So you conclude there is no gun-free zone policy there ? if so upon what basis ?It doesn't matter, the claim was that El Paso was Liberal and banned guns at that mall.
The Right always has to find a way to blame Libs for everything.
In Dayton the Police took out the killer within one minute. That's how long it took him to kill 8 and wound 26. There's a video of the shots. Unbelievable!I agreeThis is only an opinion, but I believe you are naive. For an ordinary civilian shopper, even if armed, it takes a while to figure out what is happening and where it is coming from. Texas is a open carry State and I doubt there were no armed shoppers. However they were mentally geared for WalMart, not Fallujah. I think we're lucky no innocent shopper was killed by a 'good guy with a gun'.The El Paso Walmart shooter killed 20 people (so far) and wounded 26 more. He may well have fired some shots missing people also. It's pretty fair to say this nut fired at least 50 shots, and very possibly well more than that.
It takes quite some time to fire that many shots individually, as this guy did, walking aisle to aisle, through the store. If there had been an armed security guard, or any armed citizen with a CCW license, this guy could have (and should have) been stopped cold after the first 2 or 3 shots.
As someone who has a CCW license, and is armed 99% of the time, when I'm walking around outside, it is amazing to me that there could have been that many people walking around unarmed and defenseless. Why? Don't they know something like this could happen at any time ?
In contrast, in 2002, a Muslim terrorist (Hesham Mohamed Hadayet) walked into Los Angeles Airport (LAX) armed with 2 handguns, plus magazines loaded with dozens of bullets. He shot and killed 2 people, and wounded 4. The airport was filled with people. The terrorist was shot dead right on the spot, by a security guard who was armed and ready to deal. Without that good guy with a gun, the airport would have been a bloodbath, just like this WalMart, and probably even worse.
This ARMED DEFENSE is what should have been the case in El Paso. How this guy could pull off what he did without getting shot, by a guard or CCW carrying citizen is mind boggling.
2002 Los Angeles International Airport shooting - Wikipedia
these are DYNAMIC situations--NOT TV land/movie land
Even though the terms are used interchangeably they are not the same thing.YOU are the ignorant one here, and this post is a prime example of it. You don't even know the legal definition of self-defense. Contrary to your distorted notion, self-defense is not just self defense of oneself, it also includes the defense of others nearby.
As a hero, something Tramp is not!if a Trump Supporter wearing a red hat had shot the shooter, i wonder how he would of been treated by cnn/msnbc
Winner post. So once again, the Obama/Biden idiocy of disarming law-abiding citizens, rendering them defenseless, while giving the green light invitation to mass shooters, has gotten another 20 people killed
Just more lies from the Right.It's Texas. Everyone knows Texas has insane gun laws that make it impossible for anyone to exercise their 2nd amendment rights.
Yet another shooting at a gun-free zone: El Paso shooting at Cielo Vista Mall...
Yeah that's what everyone keeps saying. The police are openly armed yet I don't see a bunch of criminals calling open season on law enforcement officers.Yes open carry would insure you are the first one shot.If it's concealed why would it be?Because there’s no evidence that the carrying of concealed firearms acts as a ‘deterrent’ to crime:
Now open carry, that's a bit different
And if everyone in Walmart was wearing body armor, nobody would be hurtAnother dumb post. If the good guy with a gun had shot the killer, many lives would have been saved. How ludicrous to suggest he not do that, and instead, run away from the problem.There WAS a guy carrying, a legal concealed carrier, who is active military, and he did what any sensible person would do--he ran the other way, scooping up kids who'd been separated from their parents on his way. What happened is what is supposed to happen--the police, who are trained and authorized to take down a lunatic like him, stopped him without harming any additional civilians.
Here's the interview with the dude who chose to save himself and the kids around him.
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Imagine if the security guard at LAX in 2000, had went by this idea. Hundreds of people could/would have been killed by Mohammed Hadayet. Instead, hundreds of lives were SAVED.
2002 Los Angeles International Airport shooting - Wikipedia
