JakeStarkey
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The right wing progressive neo-con imperlialists have shamed the US.
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to start with those kids who gave it all over there did it because they felt is was the right thing to do. It amazes me anyone woud use that as a reaon you call this a failure
To them, it was a sacrifice they made to meake it a succes as it is
waste?
the failed job stimulus cost the same while over 130,000 people were murdered in this country during the same time
thats a waste
The number of bases we have closed in Iraq and Kuwait semse 03 numbers, well look for your self
No longer existent:
Camp Doha (closed in 2006, forces and equipment distributed among Camps Arifjan and Buehring)
Camp Navistar(closed 2007)
Camp New Jersey (closed in 2004) Combined to become part of Camp Virginia
Camp New York (closed in 2004, reactivated and deactiviated several time since.)
Camp Pennsylvania (closed in 2004)
Camp Victory (closed in 2006)
Camp Wolverine (closed in 2004)
Camp Maine (closed in 2003)
you can goggle the big one in saudi
that was closed in 03
List of United States Army installations in Kuwait - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
They did not necessarily feel this way, just as many soldiers did not feel that way in the Vietnam War. When you are in the service and get sent to fight a stupid war by an asshole like Bush, you are stuck, you do not particularly like it.
wat does nam have to do with Iraq?
2 totally different events
They did not necessarily feel this way, just as many soldiers did not feel that way in the Vietnam War. When you are in the service and get sent to fight a stupid war by an asshole like Bush, you are stuck, you do not particularly like it.
wat does nam have to do with Iraq?
2 totally different events
The soldiers were fighting in an immoral, unjustified war both in Vietnam and Iraq. Have you not read the comparisons?
Firstly, dismissing my point of view because of your perception of my politics is instant loss.
Secondly, I have never presumed to speak for anyone, let alone those who went to fight in Iraq, neither has anyone else here - you are the only one doing that.
I do say, though, that if their reason for going was because they believed it was just and legal and essential for the defence of the USA then they were deceived by the people at the top.
That is a tragedy.
I don't question their bravery or their strong sense of duty or whatever, I'm in awe of their commitment to their country - but it's a catastrophe that those qualities were wasted, and subsequently lost to your country on a false cause.
Further, 62% turnout in a country that was supposed to be gagging for democracy and spreading flower petals before the feet of their liberators seems a bit low to me.
As I said earlier they had a 100% turnout a few years before.
your politics is your business
took it for granted that your lack of knowledge of the events with Iraq you fit the mold
the deception part takes care of the lack of knowlwdge
you want to go find a marine that thinks he ids doing the right thing when he went to Iraq and explain that to him, you know being a waste
Your mold is about complete
You did again with the politics!
Anyway
From 2000 until October 2002, I was a Marine Corps lieutenant general and director of operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff. After 9/11, I was a witness and therefore a party to the actions that led us to the invasion of Iraq--an unnecessary war...............I am driven to action now by the missteps and misjudgments of the White House and the Pentagon, and by my many painful visits to our military hospitals. In those places, I have been both inspired and shaken by the broken bodies but unbroken spirits of soldiers, Marines and corpsmen returning from this war. The cost of flawed leadership continues to be paid in blood. The willingness of our forces to shoulder such a load should make it a sacred obligation for civilian and military leaders to get our defense policy right. They must be absolutely sure that the commitment is for a cause as honorable as the sacrifice.
Read more: Why Iraq Was a Mistake - TIME
There are plenty more...you are the one presuming to talk for the soldiers, no one else here.
your politics is your business
took it for granted that your lack of knowledge of the events with Iraq you fit the mold
the deception part takes care of the lack of knowlwdge
you want to go find a marine that thinks he ids doing the right thing when he went to Iraq and explain that to him, you know being a waste
Your mold is about complete
You did again with the politics!
Anyway
From 2000 until October 2002, I was a Marine Corps lieutenant general and director of operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff. After 9/11, I was a witness and therefore a party to the actions that led us to the invasion of Iraq--an unnecessary war...............I am driven to action now by the missteps and misjudgments of the White House and the Pentagon, and by my many painful visits to our military hospitals. In those places, I have been both inspired and shaken by the broken bodies but unbroken spirits of soldiers, Marines and corpsmen returning from this war. The cost of flawed leadership continues to be paid in blood. The willingness of our forces to shoulder such a load should make it a sacred obligation for civilian and military leaders to get our defense policy right. They must be absolutely sure that the commitment is for a cause as honorable as the sacrifice.
Read more: Why Iraq Was a Mistake - TIME
There are plenty more...you are the one presuming to talk for the soldiers, no one else here.
To start with it is rare for a person to admit they did not have an accurate understanding of an event
That I respect you for
I also have no doubt there are some who where in the military who did not agree with invading Iraq.
y point has been and continues to be that at some point in time by joining you knew Iraq was not only on the radar, it was over 50% of the radar
What is difficult for some to vision is people like me. I did my own DD
I put my self in GWB shoes
I looked at the info we had available in the public
I think he made the right choice
I could agree with you if Blix had not been saying the same things we were saying 6-8 weeks before we invade
That info was based on Iraqi intel from Iraqi documents provided by the Iraqi govt.
Those kids believe like I do. I am not speaking for them, I am speaking with thim
What the fuck is with these left-over hippies and their clumsy attempts at revisionism?
You did again with the politics!
Anyway
There are plenty more...you are the one presuming to talk for the soldiers, no one else here.
To start with it is rare for a person to admit they did not have an accurate understanding of an event
That I respect you for
I also have no doubt there are some who where in the military who did not agree with invading Iraq.
y point has been and continues to be that at some point in time by joining you knew Iraq was not only on the radar, it was over 50% of the radar
What is difficult for some to vision is people like me. I did my own DD
I put my self in GWB shoes
I looked at the info we had available in the public
I think he made the right choice
I could agree with you if Blix had not been saying the same things we were saying 6-8 weeks before we invade
That info was based on Iraqi intel from Iraqi documents provided by the Iraqi govt.
Those kids believe like I do. I am not speaking for them, I am speaking with thim
Can't you follow?
Blix was working for the UN.
Despite what he said, it was not his job to call for an invasion (which he never did in any case).
He could only report back to the UN and then that body would make the call for action.
They didn't, yet the US used the UN as a justification for their action.
You've been adamant up 'til now that everyone that has served over there believed in the justness of the cause, but now you retreat from that after one easily-found article.
Every other argument you've put up has been refuted by others.
I'm sure you'll retreat back to a default setting of outrage now but...so be it.
Your naive trust in your politicians is almost endearing.
To start with it is rare for a person to admit they did not have an accurate understanding of an event
That I respect you for
I also have no doubt there are some who where in the military who did not agree with invading Iraq.
y point has been and continues to be that at some point in time by joining you knew Iraq was not only on the radar, it was over 50% of the radar
What is difficult for some to vision is people like me. I did my own DD
I put my self in GWB shoes
I looked at the info we had available in the public
I think he made the right choice
I could agree with you if Blix had not been saying the same things we were saying 6-8 weeks before we invade
That info was based on Iraqi intel from Iraqi documents provided by the Iraqi govt.
Those kids believe like I do. I am not speaking for them, I am speaking with thim
Can't you follow?
Blix was working for the UN.
Despite what he said, it was not his job to call for an invasion (which he never did in any case).
He could only report back to the UN and then that body would make the call for action.
They didn't, yet the US used the UN as a justification for their action.
You've been adamant up 'til now that everyone that has served over there believed in the justness of the cause, but now you retreat from that after one easily-found article.
Every other argument you've put up has been refuted by others.
I'm sure you'll retreat back to a default setting of outrage now but...so be it.
Your naive trust in your politicians is almost endearing.
Never have I claimed Blix was the person to make the call
It was verification
not retreat, never
my point stays the course
If you joined after 9-11 you had to believe or why else would you join?
Your article was about people that were there all ready
I am disappointed in that accusation
Your resembling other left wing liberals I have grown tired of there spin
Yet you're using his opinion as justification.Never have I claimed Blix was the person to make the call
Now you're changing your position to counter my argumentIf you joined after 9-11 you had to believe or why else would you join?
Your article was about people that were there all ready
Which one...that you're endearing?I am disappointed in that accusation
I'm not sure what you mean, I have no objection to justified military action, I just don't accept that this one was justified - oddly enough, neither do many of the major players; Bush, Rumsfeld, Powell being three fairly major examples.Your resembling other left wing liberals I have grown tired of there spin
exactly. These folks continue to scramble to explain the horribleness of us being stuck in an uneccessary war!
and how we got there! they try to blame everyone except the ONES who LED us there.
you dont think we remember Bush's state of the union address? the freedom fries crap? the dixie chick stuff? (hey! those dixie chicks ended up BEING TOTALLY CORRECT!)
Can't you follow?
Blix was working for the UN.
Despite what he said, it was not his job to call for an invasion (which he never did in any case).
He could only report back to the UN and then that body would make the call for action.
They didn't, yet the US used the UN as a justification for their action.
You've been adamant up 'til now that everyone that has served over there believed in the justness of the cause, but now you retreat from that after one easily-found article.
Every other argument you've put up has been refuted by others.
I'm sure you'll retreat back to a default setting of outrage now but...so be it.
Your naive trust in your politicians is almost endearing.
Never have I claimed Blix was the person to make the call
It was verification
not retreat, never
my point stays the course
If you joined after 9-11 you had to believe or why else would you join?
Your article was about people that were there all ready
I am disappointed in that accusation
Your resembling other left wing liberals I have grown tired of there spin
Yet you're using his opinion as justification.
Now you're changing your position to counter my argument
Which one...that you're endearing?I am disappointed in that accusation
I'm not sure what you mean, I have no objection to justified military action, I just don't accept that this one was justified - oddly enough, neither do many of the major players; Bush, Rumsfeld, Powell being three fairly major examples.Your resembling other left wing liberals I have grown tired of there spin
JRK say this out loud.
"I support a war that's end result is a government based on Islam with a Hezbollah agent as prime minister."
It's really that simple, even if you can downplay all the deaths and $. As Uncensored says it's both parties fault equally, democrats think they were playing nice with Iraq. Clinton's sanctions on Iraq probably killed more civilians than the War did and the majority of democratic senators wanted this stupid war too.
exactly. These folks continue to scramble to explain the horribleness of us being stuck in an uneccessary war!
You fascists attempt to portray this as "Bush lied" to get us into war. But the fact is that both sides have used IDENTICAL statements back to 1988, regarding Iraq and Saddam. The partisan hacks of the fascist democrats are the worst at this. The list of calls for military action against Iraq BY FASCIST LEADERS, is pages long, Hillary, John Kerry, Harry Reid, et al. This portrayal of Bush and Republicans as "war mongers" while the fascists were the voice of reason is pure dishonesty. Bush may well have done nothing more than read Clinton's speeches.
and how we got there! they try to blame everyone except the ONES who LED us there.
The ones who led us there include the leaders of the fascist democratic party. YOU try to pretend that the fascists opposed this and the Republicans FORCED us to go to war. That is pure bullshit. Iraq sits as firmly in the lap of Clinton as it does Bush. Some of the loudest voices for war came from the fascist party. The pretense that this was all the Republicans is purely dishonest.
you dont think we remember Bush's state of the union address? the freedom fries crap? the dixie chick stuff? (hey! those dixie chicks ended up BEING TOTALLY CORRECT!)
Oh, you fascists remember everything Bush said, you just conveniently forget everything Clinton and the leaders of YOUR party said, then dishonestly pretend that the fascists were the voice of reason. You weren't.
JRK say this out loud.
"I support a war that's end result is a government based on Islam with a Hezbollah agent as prime minister."
It's really that simple, even if you can downplay all the deaths and $. As Uncensored says it's both parties fault equally, democrats think they were playing nice with Iraq. Clinton's sanctions on Iraq probably killed more civilians than the War did and the majority of democratic senators wanted this stupid war too.
Dr Drock say this out loud
JRK supports the war because it was the right thing to do
JRK supports the war because he leader we removed was an evil person who had weapons he was not suppose to have, he had lied about what weapons he did have, and had murdered 100s of thousands of people
JRK supports the republic which has been formed from this war
JRK supports the will of the people of Iraq
and
JRK supports the time table that Iraq and the US agreed upon in 2008 that mandates our final days there as we speak, to the point come 2012 there maybe as few as no Americans left there
JRK supports this victory and the will of the people in Iraq is no different than the will of the people in this country. Who they elect as well as who we elect is not going to make every one happy
Only a fascist would apologize for a war of aggression, making you the fascist.
A lot happened in those 5 years including Saddam's cooperation with IAEA inspectors. Your attempt to rewrite history has failed, as have your other inane revisionist posts.
Youre not very good at this, maybe a BB isn't the best place for you to spend your time?
Uncensored2008
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You fascists attempt to portray this as a Bush thing - but as usual, you're lying.
Which Democrat ordered our troops to invade?
It's a Bush thing alright, you lose again fascist.
JRK supports the war because ........
Which Democrat ordered our troops to invade?
Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, drooling Dick Durban, and 131 more.
It's a Bush thing alright, you lose again fascist.
I'm not a democrat, dumbfuck.
I don't support the Obama plan to merge corporations and the federal government. I oppose the fascists democrats and Obama's fascist care.