Will Killers or Gang Bangers follow gun control laws?

[ChrisL]

I just joined NRA!

wowee that's really going to leave a mark!




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Florida Gov. Rick Scott backs raising age for gun purchases to 21
Florida Gov. Rick Scott said Friday he will work to raise the minimum age for purchasing weapons in his state to 21 years old, marking his first major break from the policy priorities of the National Rifle Association.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...27a6ccb38eb_story.html?utm_term=.3e720c38705f

I don't have a problem with raising the minimum age to 21. I don't find that to be unreasonable. Probably useless in the bigger picture, but whatevs.

 

[JGalt]

Apparently today is Stupid Poll Day. Not a manner of whether they will follow gun control laws or they don't --- NRA Sucker.

But if they're guilty of a felony and can't go to Armslist or any of a dozen other sites or a gun show in around 22 states and buy from an unlicensed seller .. it will make it tougher on them to find their preferred implement of destruction.

If it's already so hard for them to obtain firearms in Chicago for example, why are there so many shootings there? You do know that the majority of firearms that criminals commit an offense with, are not purchased legally, right?

Most of them are either stolen, bought from someone else who stole them or bought them, or are borrowed or taken from family members. They seldom even practice with them or purchase ammunition, just using whatever shit ammo came with the gun.

Let me use another example: Illicit drugs are illegal, right? Yet there are more drug overdoses in this country, than ever before. Isn't it primarily the left who says that decriminalizing drugs will solve the problem?

Most of them are either stolen, bought from someone else who stole them or bought them, or are borrowed or taken from family members.
Part of the point of reducing the number of guns in this country is exactly this. The less guns legally owned, the less are available to beg, borrow or steal from others. The vast majority of guns used in crimes are not legally owned, but were legally purchased once in their histories. I believe if a gun is stolen from you and you don't report it, or if you transfer a gun illegally, you should be held equally responsible for any any crime committed with it. That would slow things down.

Apparently today is Stupid Poll Day. Not a manner of whether they will follow gun control laws or they don't --- NRA Sucker.

But if they're guilty of a felony and can't go to Armslist or any of a dozen other sites or a gun show in around 22 states and buy from an unlicensed seller .. it will make it tougher on them to find their preferred implement of destruction.

If it's already so hard for them to obtain firearms in Chicago for example, why are there so many shootings there? You do know that the majority of firearms that criminals commit an offense with, are not purchased legally, right?

Most of them are either stolen, bought from someone else who stole them or bought them, or are borrowed or taken from family members. They seldom even practice with them or purchase ammunition, just using whatever shit ammo came with the gun.

Let me use another example: Illicit drugs are illegal, right? Yet there are more drug overdoses in this country, than ever before. Isn't it primarily the left who says that decriminalizing drugs will solve the problem?

Because people in Chicago can drive about 45 minutes across the border into Indiana or Wisconsin and buy whatever they please.

Agree with you that most are borrowed or stolen. But that doesn't mean that universal BG checks won't save lives.

As for illicit drugs - the primary problem is big pharma who spent billions flooding the market and the physicians who prescribed them.

Bullshit. How are 16 year old kids going to Indiana and buying pistols legally? How is anyone going across a state line purchasing a firearm legally? You have to reside in the state in order to purchase a gun.

The Journal of Preventive Medicine did a study of inmates in prison. The study showed that only 3 percent of them purchased their firearm from a gun store. You might want to read it because you might actually learn something..

Study: Most Chicago Criminals Attain Guns Illegally

 

[rightwinger]

One point that those who support additional background checks keep ignoring is the fact that many of these shootings have happened with guns obtained LEGALLY by law abiding citizens at the time of purchase. They didn't break any laws until after they got the guns.

IOW.....how would additional background checks have stopped LV shooter? Sandy Hook? Or any number of others? Even the FL shooter?

Just because you can't stop EVERY shooting does that mean you should not try to stop ANY shooting?

 

[ChrisL]

One point that those who support additional background checks keep ignoring is the fact that many of these shootings have happened with guns obtained LEGALLY by law abiding citizens at the time of purchase. They didn't break any laws until after they got the guns.

IOW.....how would additional background checks have stopped LV shooter? Sandy Hook? Or any number of others? Even the FL shooter?

Because the background check would've revealed that Cruz had been expelled from school, posted violent threats on social media, etc.

He PASSED a background check. The problem was a failure within the system itself, which is par for the course when it comes to the government trying to do . . . well anything really!

 

[Asclepias]

One point that those who support additional background checks keep ignoring is the fact that many of these shootings have happened with guns obtained LEGALLY by law abiding citizens at the time of purchase. They didn't break any laws until after they got the guns.

IOW.....how would additional background checks have stopped LV shooter? Sandy Hook? Or any number of others? Even the FL shooter?

maybe they would have found this for the florida shooter.

Mental health agency examined Cruz in 2016, didn't hospitalize him

 

[jillian]

One point that those who support additional background checks keep ignoring is the fact that many of these shootings have happened with guns obtained LEGALLY by law abiding citizens at the time of purchase. They didn't break any laws until after they got the guns.

IOW.....how would additional background checks have stopped LV shooter? Sandy Hook? Or any number of others? Even the FL shooter?

Just because you can't stop EVERY shooting does that mean you should not try to stop ANY shooting?

funny how they don't feel that way about passing insane anti-choice laws.

 

[rightwinger]

I just joined NRA!

wowee that's really going to leave a mark!




BlackRock, the world’s largest asset manager, said Thursday that it had heard from investors who no longer want their money associated with the firearms industry.

Companies Are Starting to Back Away From the Gun Industry and NRA


In wake of Parkland massacre, police chiefs — again — call for assault-weapons ban


Florida Gov. Rick Scott backs raising age for gun purchases to 21
Florida Gov. Rick Scott said Friday he will work to raise the minimum age for purchasing weapons in his state to 21 years old, marking his first major break from the policy priorities of the National Rifle Association.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...27a6ccb38eb_story.html?utm_term=.3e720c38705f

I don't have a problem with raising the minimum age to 21. I don't find that to be unreasonable. Probably useless in the bigger picture, but whatevs.

I personally think 18 year olds should be able to buy and possess hunting and target rifles
May 18 year olds hunt and are responsible

I do not believe anyone should have an assault rifle

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Here is an Interesting Cultural Comparison

The Democrats have the Crips, Bloods and MS-13.
The Republicans have the Little League, Boy Scouts and the National Honor Society.

 

[whitehall]

The dirty little secret is that it has always been about confiscation. If you think they can't do it, think about Waco. Federal cops invaded a religious based compound with a ludicrous search warrant alleging some people were converting surplus bent rusty WW2 junk parts into fully functioning automatic weapons. The FBI used tanks and poison gas on Americans (training exercise?) and ultimately 80 men women and children were incinerated and the original search warrant was forgotten.

 

[Asclepias]

Here is an Interesting Cultural Comparison

The Democrats have the Cripes, Bloods and MS-13.
The Republicans have the Little League, Boy Scouts and the National Honor Society.

The Repubs also have the Nazi, KKK, and Skinheads,

The Dems have the NBA heroes, Olympians, and educators.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

One of the guns that Obama sold to the Mexican Drug Cartels was used to murder an U.S. Border patrol officer

 

[Cellblock2429]

Please vote in the poll. Do you think that killers or gang members will follow ANY gun control laws? Do you think that gun control laws would make it more difficult for a criminal to obtain a weapon?

Yes they will

If they are found in possession of an illegal weapon they will be sent to prison. Gets them off the streets
If they have a record and are found in possession of a firearm....they go back to jail

And that prevents the maniacs from using them HOW exactly? That is punishment AFTER the fact. And some of these people who you would send to jail might not be criminals or murderers except for the fact that you have deemed an object they own as "illegal."

Gets them off the streets
It punishes them when they are found with an illegal weapon......it does not wait till they actually use that weapon

If they own or possess an illegal weapon...they ARE criminals
Same as possessing drugs

/----/ The same as ILLEGAL immigrants ARE criminals and should be taken off the streets. -

 

[JustAnotherNut]

One point that those who support additional background checks keep ignoring is the fact that many of these shootings have happened with guns obtained LEGALLY by law abiding citizens at the time of purchase. They didn't break any laws until after they got the guns.

IOW.....how would additional background checks have stopped LV shooter? Sandy Hook? Or any number of others? Even the FL shooter?

Just because you can't stop EVERY shooting does that mean you should not try to stop ANY shooting?

So just how many mass shooters have obtained their guns illegally?

 

[JGalt]

One point that those who support additional background checks keep ignoring is the fact that many of these shootings have happened with guns obtained LEGALLY by law abiding citizens at the time of purchase. They didn't break any laws until after they got the guns.

IOW.....how would additional background checks have stopped LV shooter? Sandy Hook? Or any number of others? Even the FL shooter?

Just because you can't stop EVERY shooting does that mean you should not try to stop ANY shooting?

funny how they don't feel that way about passing insane anti-choice laws.

What "anti-choice laws"? You mean the Hyde Amendment?

Why should my tax money go to paying for your abortion?

One point that those who support additional background checks keep ignoring is the fact that many of these shootings have happened with guns obtained LEGALLY by law abiding citizens at the time of purchase. They didn't break any laws until after they got the guns.

IOW.....how would additional background checks have stopped LV shooter? Sandy Hook? Or any number of others? Even the FL shooter?

Just because you can't stop EVERY shooting does that mean you should not try to stop ANY shooting?

funny how they don't feel that way about passing insane anti-choice laws.

Tough shit. My right to protect myself, my family, and my property takes precedence over your privilege to murder.

Deal with it.

 

[Asclepias]

One of the guns that Obama sold to the Mexican Drug Cartels was used to murder an U.S. Border patrol officer

False statements for $100 Alex.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

One point that those who support additional background checks keep ignoring is the fact that many of these shootings have happened with guns obtained LEGALLY by law abiding citizens at the time of purchase. They didn't break any laws until after they got the guns.

IOW.....how would additional background checks have stopped LV shooter? Sandy Hook? Or any number of others? Even the FL shooter?

Because the background check would've revealed that Cruz had been expelled from school, posted violent threats on social media, etc.

That would have only worked IF all agencies had done their jobs.......in this case none of them did.

School could have done more, but they didn't
DCF could have done more, but they didn't
Local cops could have arrested him for having made those threats, but they didn't
FBI could have followed thru on their end, but they didn't

 

[ChrisL]

Well, it will be interesting to see how much NRA membership and gun sales SPIKE over the next few weeks. Because it will.

 

[Asclepias]

Well, it will be interesting to see how much NRA membership and gun sales SPIKE over the next few weeks. Because it will.

Thats what happens when gullible fools are tricked into supporting the NRA and buying yet more guns.

 

[ChrisL]

Well, so far the NOs have it. 18-2, pretty much a landslide victory.

 

[JGalt]

Here is an Interesting Cultural Comparison

The Democrats have the Cripes, Bloods and MS-13.
The Republicans have the Little League, Boy Scouts and the National Honor Society.

The Repubs also have the Nazi, KKK, and Skinheads,

The Dems have the NBA heroes, Olympians, and educators.

Here is an Interesting Cultural Comparison

The Democrats have the Cripes, Bloods and MS-13.
The Republicans have the Little League, Boy Scouts and the National Honor Society.

You seemed to have left out Antifa, abortionist murderers, the Black Panthers and other racially-motivated hate groups, La Raza, environmental terrorists, the Symbionese Liberation Army, the SDS, the Weather Underground, the Sterling Hall Bomber, the Unibomber, radical anti-rights groups, the Gay Mafia, and a long history of murders, bombing attacks, and political assassinations done by leftists and Democrat Party sympathizers.