Curried Goats
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You are responsible for linking to them as some authority before you went through the trouble of actually checking whether they agreed with your hilariously ignorant beliefs.
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Will the Electoral College screw up another election?
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Our Presidential election process (via the electoral college) makes it difficult for a party to win by focusing on only the most populous demographics. For example, it's really hard to win by focusing on urban voters and dismissing rural voters.The Electoral College is a curse on American democracy!
Sorry, not sorry.
Curried Goats
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Because rural demographics deserve some special protection?Our Presidential election process (via the electoral college) makes it difficult for a party to win by focusing on only the most populous demographics. For example, it's really hard to win by focusing on urban voters and dismissing rural voters.
Sorry, not sorry.
I think that (in addition to the electoral win) it should require majority support - not just a plurality. And if they fail, we have a run off until one of them makes it. That's basically what ranked choice voting accomplishes.No.
The electoral college is genius. Best idea we’ve had.
The better idea would be to strengthen the electoral college to include the popular vote.
Meaning that you have to get the 270 in the electoral college BUT you also have to win the plurality--not majority--of the popular vote. If you don’t get both, the House figures out who is the President. Meaning that of all the people who ran in the election, you have the will of the people embodied in the President elect either through their direct vote or through their elected representatives in the House.
Rambunctious
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Because every state in the union has sovereignty... Montana and Texas have equal power in the Senate because of the structure of the U.S. Congress... that balances representation between populous and less populous states...Why is that a good thing? Why should Montana have the same power as Texas in the Senate? Why should Rhode Island have more electoral power per voter than Texas in the Presidential election?
If that wasn't the case states would leave the union...
To balance it out the House of Representatives is based on population... with larger states like Texas having more representatives than smaller states like Montana... and the Senate ensures equal state representation... while the House ensures representation based on population size....
So the Senate's structure emphasizes equality among states... while the House emphasizes equality among individuals based on population.... its a beautiful system and the only reason The United States are still United....
Rambunctious
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Because every state in the union has sovereignty... Montana and Texas have equal power in the Senate because of the structure of the U.S. Congress... that balances representation between populous and less populous states...That IS, after all, the goal, to put the power of electing the president in the hands of a few large population centers. If they can do away with the EC, the next step will be to do away with the Senate, because each state has the same number of Senators with the same power, and they don't like that at all.
If that wasn't the case states would leave the union...
To balance it out the House of Representatives is based on population... with larger states like Texas having more representatives than smaller states like Montana... and the Senate ensures equal state representation... while the House ensures representation based on population size....
So the Senate's structure emphasizes equality among states... while the House emphasizes equality among individuals based on population.... its a beautiful system and the only reason The United States are still United....
Papageorgio
The Ultimate Winner
Since it is part of the system it can’t screw up. The only screw up are people that bitch and moan about it and yet, like yourself, do nothing about it but complain. Real positive action there.The Electoral College is a curse on American democracy! It must be terminated, which I'll never see in my lifetime - but it must be terminated. Presidential elections should be based on PEOPLE - not ACREAGE.
What do you think?
It's time to abolish the Electoral College
5 Reasons to Abolish the Electoral College
Outgrowing the Electoral College
Why We Should Abolish the Electoral College
Meathead
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If it's based on acreage, shouldn't Alaska have about 100 EC votes?Presidential elections should be based on PEOPLE - not ACREAGE.
What do you think?
It's time to abolish the Electoral College
5 Reasons to Abolish the Electoral College
Outgrowing the Electoral College
Why We Should Abolish the Electoral College
candycorn
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Well, the system has to work in all conditions. If you have 2 candidates or 200. Currently we have 2 major parties. That could change. So I’m good with a plurality.I think that (in addition to the electoral win) it should require majority support - not just a plurality. And if they fail, we have a run off until one of them makes it. That's basically what ranked choice voting accomplishes.
candycorn
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Well, if we add the stipulation that the President elect also get the plurality of the popular vote in addition to 270 electoral college votes, they would.Does it though?
Do the more than 2 million people in Illinois that voted for Trump really have a voice?
Do the more than 6 million people in California that voted for Trump really have a voice?
Plurality IS the problem. That's how Hitler got elected. We should demand majority support for the leader of the entire country. And, to be clear, I'm not arguing against the EC - I think it's an important safeguard.Well, the system has to work in all conditions. If you have 2 candidates or 200. Currently we have 2 major parties. That could change. So I’m good with a plurality.
candycorn
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Plurality IS the problem. That's how Hitler got elected. We should demand majority support for the leader of the entire country. And, to be clear, I'm not arguing against the EC - I think it's an important safeguard.
#smdh
C_Clayton_Jones
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Exactly.Presidential elections should be based on PEOPLE - not ACREAGE.
The EC is an anachronism neither warranted nor needed.
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Nope. The founders were wise enough to allow amendments to the constitution. Slavery is already taken care of. Now if you were wise enough to get off the dem plantation that would be great.I love when right wingers admit that they think slavers are end all be all to political thought.
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Exactly.
The EC is an anachronism neither warranted nor needed.
Elections should not be based on what politicians will give me the most “free” stuff.
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No other country uses the electiral college. It should be abolished due to the rest of the world using a popular vote. That will stop claims of stolen elections.
Did you ever stop to think no other country is as great as the USA because of the constitution?
Curried Goats
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Wise enough to allow for change but not actually changing from slavery is even more damning to the deplorable nature of the Founders you Moron. It would be one thing if they engaged in slavery under duress but they chose it.Nope. The founders were wise enough to allow amendments to the constitution. Slavery is already taken care of. Now if you were wise enough to get off the dem plantation that would be great.
Of course they have a voice, in selecting their representatives. As intended.Does it though?
Do the more than 2 million people in Illinois that voted for Trump really have a voice?
Do the more than 6 million people in California that voted for Trump really have a voice?
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Wise enough to allow for change but not actually changing from slavery is even more damning to the deplorable nature of the Founders you Moron. It would be one thing if they engaged in slavery under duress but they chose it.
Quit your whining little bitch.
DakotaKai_fan20
Platinum Member
I put them on ignore. They don't understand facts about basic political things.Quit your whining little bitch.
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