Will the Middle East Implode?

[eagle1462010]

Ethanol Subsidies Not Gone Just Hidden a Little Better Mother Jones

Deficit hawks, environmentalists, and food processors are celebrating the expiration of the ethanol tax credit. This corporate handout gave $0.45 to ethanol producers for every gallon they produced and cost taxpayers $6 billion in 2011. So why did the powerful corn ethanol lobby let it expire without an apparent fight? The answer lies in legislation known as the Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS), which creates government-guaranteed demand that keeps corn prices high and generates massive farm profits. Removing the tax credit but keeping the RFS is like scraping a little frosting from the ethanol-boondoggle cake.

The RFS mandates that at least 37 percent of the 2011-12 corn crop be converted to ethanol and blended with the gasoline that powers our cars…[As a result] the current price of corn on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange is about $6.50 per bushel—almost triple the pre-mandate level.

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[aris2chat]

Have the events of the past twenty-three years set in motion a chain of events that will lead to an implosion of today's Middle East? If so, was that the plan all along?

"Will the Middle East Implode? comprises four substantive chapters, each tackling what Michigan State University Distinguished Professor of International Relations Mohammed Ayoob identifies as sources of potential combustion in the region: the growing role of political Islam; the Israel-Palestine conflict; increased rivalry between regional powers alongside great power involvement in the region; and, Iran’s quest for nuclear capability."

Book Review Will the Middle East Implode by Mohammed Ayoob LSE Review of Books

This has been going on for the last 1400 years as each Islamic faction tries to get the upper hand so that they can run the caliphate. It as all to do with world domination and power over the illiterate masses through the mosques and madrassas

Point to a time between the end of WWII and the US Invasion of Iraq when Sunni and Shite within a single nation state were killing each other as regularly as they are today in Iraq and Syria; the US wants control of oil and gas flows from the ME and Caspian basin and it doesn't care how many Muslims die in the process.

Iraq and Pakistan in the 1940's, actually it began earlier through today.

 

[georgephillip]

Ethanol Subsidies Not Gone Just Hidden a Little Better Mother Jones

Deficit hawks, environmentalists, and food processors are celebrating the expiration of the ethanol tax credit. This corporate handout gave $0.45 to ethanol producers for every gallon they produced and cost taxpayers $6 billion in 2011. So why did the powerful corn ethanol lobby let it expire without an apparent fight? The answer lies in legislation known as the Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS), which creates government-guaranteed demand that keeps corn prices high and generates massive farm profits. Removing the tax credit but keeping the RFS is like scraping a little frosting from the ethanol-boondoggle cake.

The RFS mandates that at least 37 percent of the 2011-12 corn crop be converted to ethanol and blended with the gasoline that powers our cars…[As a result] the current price of corn on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange is about $6.50 per bushel—almost triple the pre-mandate level.

I suppose some would argue RFS also serves to decrease US dependence on Middle East oil; however, we have been heavily involved in the control of ME oil since the 1940s when we were the leading global exporter of oil:

"The Anglo-American Petroleum Agreement of 1944 was based on negotiations between the United States and Britain over the control of Middle Eastern oil.

"Below is shown what the American President Franklin D. Roosevelt had in mind for to a British Ambassador in 1944:

"Persian oil ... is yours. We share the oil of Iraq and Kuwait. As for Saudi Arabian oil, it's ours.[7]"

United States foreign policy in the Middle East - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[eagle1462010]

Ethanol Subsidies Not Gone Just Hidden a Little Better Mother Jones

Deficit hawks, environmentalists, and food processors are celebrating the expiration of the ethanol tax credit. This corporate handout gave $0.45 to ethanol producers for every gallon they produced and cost taxpayers $6 billion in 2011. So why did the powerful corn ethanol lobby let it expire without an apparent fight? The answer lies in legislation known as the Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS), which creates government-guaranteed demand that keeps corn prices high and generates massive farm profits. Removing the tax credit but keeping the RFS is like scraping a little frosting from the ethanol-boondoggle cake.

The RFS mandates that at least 37 percent of the 2011-12 corn crop be converted to ethanol and blended with the gasoline that powers our cars…[As a result] the current price of corn on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange is about $6.50 per bushel—almost triple the pre-mandate level.

I suppose some would argue RFS also serves to decrease US dependence on Middle East oil; however, we have been heavily involved in the control of ME oil since the 1940s when we were the leading global exporter of oil:

"The Anglo-American Petroleum Agreement of 1944 was based on negotiations between the United States and Britain over the control of Middle Eastern oil.

"Below is shown what the American President Franklin D. Roosevelt had in mind for to a British Ambassador in 1944:

"Persian oil ... is yours. We share the oil of Iraq and Kuwait. As for Saudi Arabian oil, it's ours.[7]"

United States foreign policy in the Middle East - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Of course some would do so..........Yet we are increasing production through fracking..........and the United States is the Saudi Arabia of Natural Gas.........The use of so many tons of corn for fuel is driving up world food prices and it has a definite effect on 3rd World countries......Again the population is increasing by 80 million a year.......Over 7 Billion people to feed world wide............That is a necessity of life......and a child is dying every 11 seconds from malnutrition and starvation in the world right now.

To me, that is unacceptable...........When we have the resources to use natural gas to run vehicles as well........Not to mention that there are droughts around the globe right now. If it continues, which is probable at this time, millions of people could die because of it. And most of it due to the tripling of prices since 2000.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Ethanol Subsidies Not Gone Just Hidden a Little Better Mother Jones

Deficit hawks, environmentalists, and food processors are celebrating the expiration of the ethanol tax credit. This corporate handout gave $0.45 to ethanol producers for every gallon they produced and cost taxpayers $6 billion in 2011. So why did the powerful corn ethanol lobby let it expire without an apparent fight? The answer lies in legislation known as the Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS), which creates government-guaranteed demand that keeps corn prices high and generates massive farm profits. Removing the tax credit but keeping the RFS is like scraping a little frosting from the ethanol-boondoggle cake.

The RFS mandates that at least 37 percent of the 2011-12 corn crop be converted to ethanol and blended with the gasoline that powers our cars…[As a result] the current price of corn on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange is about $6.50 per bushel—almost triple the pre-mandate level.

I suppose some would argue RFS also serves to decrease US dependence on Middle East oil; however, we have been heavily involved in the control of ME oil since the 1940s when we were the leading global exporter of oil:

"The Anglo-American Petroleum Agreement of 1944 was based on negotiations between the United States and Britain over the control of Middle Eastern oil.

"Below is shown what the American President Franklin D. Roosevelt had in mind for to a British Ambassador in 1944:

"Persian oil ... is yours. We share the oil of Iraq and Kuwait. As for Saudi Arabian oil, it's ours.[7]"

United States foreign policy in the Middle East - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Of course some would do so..........Yet we are increasing production through fracking..........and the United States is the Saudi Arabia of Natural Gas.........The use of so many tons of corn for fuel is driving up world food prices and it has a definite effect on 3rd World countries......Again the population is increasing by 80 million a year.......Over 7 Billion people to feed world wide............That is a necessity of life......and a child is dying every 11 seconds from malnutrition and starvation in the world right now.

To me, that is unacceptable...........When we have the resources to use natural gas to run vehicles as well........Not to mention that there are droughts around the globe right now. If it continues, which is probable at this time, millions of people could die because of it. And most of it due to the tripling of prices since 2000.

How do you feel about foreign aid which is dependent upon no birth control or abortion being a component? Check out the op-ed. Should we heed the message that nature is sending?

 

[eagle1462010]

Ethanol Subsidies Not Gone Just Hidden a Little Better Mother Jones

Deficit hawks, environmentalists, and food processors are celebrating the expiration of the ethanol tax credit. This corporate handout gave $0.45 to ethanol producers for every gallon they produced and cost taxpayers $6 billion in 2011. So why did the powerful corn ethanol lobby let it expire without an apparent fight? The answer lies in legislation known as the Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS), which creates government-guaranteed demand that keeps corn prices high and generates massive farm profits. Removing the tax credit but keeping the RFS is like scraping a little frosting from the ethanol-boondoggle cake.

The RFS mandates that at least 37 percent of the 2011-12 corn crop be converted to ethanol and blended with the gasoline that powers our cars…[As a result] the current price of corn on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange is about $6.50 per bushel—almost triple the pre-mandate level.

I suppose some would argue RFS also serves to decrease US dependence on Middle East oil; however, we have been heavily involved in the control of ME oil since the 1940s when we were the leading global exporter of oil:

"The Anglo-American Petroleum Agreement of 1944 was based on negotiations between the United States and Britain over the control of Middle Eastern oil.

"Below is shown what the American President Franklin D. Roosevelt had in mind for to a British Ambassador in 1944:

"Persian oil ... is yours. We share the oil of Iraq and Kuwait. As for Saudi Arabian oil, it's ours.[7]"

United States foreign policy in the Middle East - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Of course some would do so..........Yet we are increasing production through fracking..........and the United States is the Saudi Arabia of Natural Gas.........The use of so many tons of corn for fuel is driving up world food prices and it has a definite effect on 3rd World countries......Again the population is increasing by 80 million a year.......Over 7 Billion people to feed world wide............That is a necessity of life......and a child is dying every 11 seconds from malnutrition and starvation in the world right now.

To me, that is unacceptable...........When we have the resources to use natural gas to run vehicles as well........Not to mention that there are droughts around the globe right now. If it continues, which is probable at this time, millions of people could die because of it. And most of it due to the tripling of prices since 2000.

How do you feel about foreign aid which is dependent upon no birth control or abortion being a component? Check out the op-ed. Should we heed the message that nature is sending?

I have no problem with making that a requirement. Just looked at some of that data. Birth rates at 6.2 in some areas of Africa with no way to feed them. Yes, that is a problem.

 

[eagle1462010]

Desalination - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Desalination, desalinization, and desalinisation refer to any of several processes that remove some amount of salt and other minerals from saline water. More generally, desalination may also refer to the removal of salts and minerals,[1] as in soil desalination.[2]

Salt water is desalinated to produce fresh water suitable for human consumption or irrigation. One potential byproduct of desalination is salt. Desalination is used on many seagoing ships and submarines. Most of the modern interest in desalination is focused on developing cost-effective ways of providing fresh water for human use. Along with recycled wastewater, this is one of the few rainfall-independent water sources.[3]

Due to relatively high energy consumption, the costs of desalinating sea water are generally higher than the alternatives (fresh water from rivers or groundwater, water recycling and water conservation), but alternatives are not always available.

Desalination is particularly relevant to dry countries such as Australia, which traditionally have relied on collecting rainfall behind dams to provide their drinking water supplies. According to the International Desalination Association, in June 2011, 15,988 desalination plants operated worldwide, producing 66.5 million cubic meters per day, providing water for 300 million people.[4] Production is expected to reach 120 million m3 by 2020; some 40 million m3 is planned for the Middle East.[5] The world's largest desalination plant, producing 640,000 m3 per day, is the Jebel Ali Desalination Plant (Phase 2) in theUnited Arab Emirates.[6] The largest percent of desalinated water used in any country is in Israel, which produces 40% of its domestic water use from seawater desalination[7]

 

[Sally]

Desalination - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Desalination, desalinization, and desalinisation refer to any of several processes that remove some amount of salt and other minerals from saline water. More generally, desalination may also refer to the removal of salts and minerals,[1] as in soil desalination.[2]

Salt water is desalinated to produce fresh water suitable for human consumption or irrigation. One potential byproduct of desalination is salt. Desalination is used on many seagoing ships and submarines. Most of the modern interest in desalination is focused on developing cost-effective ways of providing fresh water for human use. Along with recycled wastewater, this is one of the few rainfall-independent water sources.[3]

Due to relatively high energy consumption, the costs of desalinating sea water are generally higher than the alternatives (fresh water from rivers or groundwater, water recycling and water conservation), but alternatives are not always available.

Desalination is particularly relevant to dry countries such as Australia, which traditionally have relied on collecting rainfall behind dams to provide their drinking water supplies. According to the International Desalination Association, in June 2011, 15,988 desalination plants operated worldwide, producing 66.5 million cubic meters per day, providing water for 300 million people.[4] Production is expected to reach 120 million m3 by 2020; some 40 million m3 is planned for the Middle East.[5] The world's largest desalination plant, producing 640,000 m3 per day, is the Jebel Ali Desalination Plant (Phase 2) in theUnited Arab Emirates.[6] The largest percent of desalinated water used in any country is in Israel, which produces 40% of its domestic water use from seawater desalination[7]

With the entire coast of California having the Pacific Ocean in its backyard so to speak, I wish they would build desalination plants up and down the coast. Since there is a severe drought here, the farmers are hurting and prices for food will certainly rise not only in the U.S. but also the world. The rest of us, meanwhile, should conserve and start using drip irrigation which I believe was invented in Israel.

Drip Irrigation Growing Crops in the Desert - Untold News

 

[aris2chat]

Desalination - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Desalination, desalinization, and desalinisation refer to any of several processes that remove some amount of salt and other minerals from saline water. More generally, desalination may also refer to the removal of salts and minerals,[1] as in soil desalination.[2]

Salt water is desalinated to produce fresh water suitable for human consumption or irrigation. One potential byproduct of desalination is salt. Desalination is used on many seagoing ships and submarines. Most of the modern interest in desalination is focused on developing cost-effective ways of providing fresh water for human use. Along with recycled wastewater, this is one of the few rainfall-independent water sources.[3]

Due to relatively high energy consumption, the costs of desalinating sea water are generally higher than the alternatives (fresh water from rivers or groundwater, water recycling and water conservation), but alternatives are not always available.

Desalination is particularly relevant to dry countries such as Australia, which traditionally have relied on collecting rainfall behind dams to provide their drinking water supplies. According to the International Desalination Association, in June 2011, 15,988 desalination plants operated worldwide, producing 66.5 million cubic meters per day, providing water for 300 million people.[4] Production is expected to reach 120 million m3 by 2020; some 40 million m3 is planned for the Middle East.[5] The world's largest desalination plant, producing 640,000 m3 per day, is the Jebel Ali Desalination Plant (Phase 2) in theUnited Arab Emirates.[6] The largest percent of desalinated water used in any country is in Israel, which produces 40% of its domestic water use from seawater desalination[7]

$50 for a clay desalinization pot that does 5 gallons a day are being used in africa rural areas
At sea there are inflatable terrarium like desalinization that floats along side a safety raft to provide drinkable water. Good to keep on boat in case you get stranded or run out of bottled water.

 

[georgephillip]

UAR and Egypt attack Libya, and US was caught by surprise?

"Senior U.S. officials said Egypt and the United Arab Emirates have launched airstrikes against Islamic militants in the Libyan capital twice in the past week.

"U.S. officials told reporters that the move caught the United States by surprise, potentially dealing a blow to relations between Washington, Cairo and the Emirates.

"U.S. officials said Egypt provided the base for the launch of the airstrikes, and the U.A.E. provided the aircraft and pilots.

"Egypt has not publicly acknowledged any role in the air strikes. The UAE had no immediate comment."

One can only wonder if Israel was surprised?

US Surprised by Egypt UAE Airstrikes on Libyan Militants

 

[Sally]

UAR and Egypt attack Libya, and US was caught by surprise?

"Senior U.S. officials said Egypt and the United Arab Emirates have launched airstrikes against Islamic militants in the Libyan capital twice in the past week.

"U.S. officials told reporters that the move caught the United States by surprise, potentially dealing a blow to relations between Washington, Cairo and the Emirates.

"U.S. officials said Egypt provided the base for the launch of the airstrikes, and the U.A.E. provided the aircraft and pilots.

"Egypt has not publicly acknowledged any role in the air strikes. The UAE had no immediate comment."

One can only wonder if Israel was surprised?

US Surprised by Egypt UAE Airstrikes on Libyan Militants

UAR and Egypt attack Libya, and US was caught by surprise?

"Senior U.S. officials said Egypt and the United Arab Emirates have launched airstrikes against Islamic militants in the Libyan capital twice in the past week.

"U.S. officials told reporters that the move caught the United States by surprise, potentially dealing a blow to relations between Washington, Cairo and the Emirates.

"U.S. officials said Egypt provided the base for the launch of the airstrikes, and the U.A.E. provided the aircraft and pilots.

"Egypt has not publicly acknowledged any role in the air strikes. The UAE had no immediate comment."

One can only wonder if Israel was surprised?

US Surprised by Egypt UAE Airstrikes on Libyan Militants

Naturally you want to drag in your favorite scapegoats, the Jews, into this event. Why not E-mail the Defense Ministers of the countries involved and ask them about this if it is that important for you to know? Meanwhile, the other posters were having a nice conversation about water since lack of water means that people will not be able to grow crops and starve. Since there is a drought here in California, I hope you are doing your best to conserve water. You do want the farmers to have enough water for their crops, don't you. Meanwhile, food prices will be going up as a result of this drought, and you, yourself, will be paying more to feed yourself.

 

[Phoenall]

Have the events of the past twenty-three years set in motion a chain of events that will lead to an implosion of today's Middle East? If so, was that the plan all along?

"Will the Middle East Implode? comprises four substantive chapters, each tackling what Michigan State University Distinguished Professor of International Relations Mohammed Ayoob identifies as sources of potential combustion in the region: the growing role of political Islam; the Israel-Palestine conflict; increased rivalry between regional powers alongside great power involvement in the region; and, Iran’s quest for nuclear capability."

Book Review Will the Middle East Implode by Mohammed Ayoob LSE Review of Books

This has been going on for the last 1400 years as each Islamic faction tries to get the upper hand so that they can run the caliphate. It as all to do with world domination and power over the illiterate masses through the mosques and madrassas

Point to a time between the end of WWII and the US Invasion of Iraq when Sunni and Shite within a single nation state were killing each other as regularly as they are today in Iraq and Syria; the US wants control of oil and gas flows from the ME and Caspian basin and it doesn't care how many Muslims die in the process.

Pakistan since it was formed

 

[Phoenall]

Don't mean to harp on this, but this is a graph of rice prices which was also part of the food riots in 2008.
You can use this site Rice 1981-2014 Data Chart Calendar Forecast News to look at historical prices of commodities. Search various and you'll see how global commodity prices exploded over time. The first series of food riots were in 2008, right at the time of the economic crash. Second round late 2010 and 2011 the start of the Arab Spring.

By the below graph using the year 2000 to begin.........in 2008 ending date and you can see the massive increase of the price of rice which started global food riots.

Is there an accurate method of determining how much of that rising cost of food was due to financial speculation?

There is an accurate measure of how the rising price of arab oil caused the rising cost of food prices, until BIO fuel started to be used and then the price of oil came down. This is the arab's greatest fear to lose their oil revenues and ultimately to lose their power.

Bio fuels like Ethanol are spiking feed and food prices globally. The only reason it doesn't spike fuel prices is Goberment subsidies........It uses 143 Metric Tons of Maize......Corn.........a year........It doesn't change the environment as it takes energy and pollution to produce. It still damages carbs in small engines..........

It is part of the major reason for the large price increases since 2000. It, as I've already said, could feed about 350 million people if we ended it.

It damages the insides of fuel tanks because it attracts water, much the same as diesel fuel does. So a simple separator will solve that problem. Coating the inside of the tank with an ethanol safe coating is being done more and more on small engines to stop the tanks from rotting out from the inside. We need a clean fuel that will end the arab oil princes stranglehold and hydrogen seems to be the way forward

 

[georgephillip]

UAR and Egypt attack Libya, and US was caught by surprise?

"Senior U.S. officials said Egypt and the United Arab Emirates have launched airstrikes against Islamic militants in the Libyan capital twice in the past week.

"U.S. officials told reporters that the move caught the United States by surprise, potentially dealing a blow to relations between Washington, Cairo and the Emirates.

"U.S. officials said Egypt provided the base for the launch of the airstrikes, and the U.A.E. provided the aircraft and pilots.

"Egypt has not publicly acknowledged any role in the air strikes. The UAE had no immediate comment."

One can only wonder if Israel was surprised?

US Surprised by Egypt UAE Airstrikes on Libyan Militants

UAR and Egypt attack Libya, and US was caught by surprise?

"Senior U.S. officials said Egypt and the United Arab Emirates have launched airstrikes against Islamic militants in the Libyan capital twice in the past week.

"U.S. officials told reporters that the move caught the United States by surprise, potentially dealing a blow to relations between Washington, Cairo and the Emirates.

"U.S. officials said Egypt provided the base for the launch of the airstrikes, and the U.A.E. provided the aircraft and pilots.

"Egypt has not publicly acknowledged any role in the air strikes. The UAE had no immediate comment."

One can only wonder if Israel was surprised?

US Surprised by Egypt UAE Airstrikes on Libyan Militants

Naturally you want to drag in your favorite scapegoats, the Jews, into this event. Why not E-mail the Defense Ministers of the countries involved and ask them about this if it is that important for you to know? Meanwhile, the other posters were having a nice conversation about water since lack of water means that people will not be able to grow crops and starve. Since there is a drought here in California, I hope you are doing your best to conserve water. You do want the farmers to have enough water for their crops, don't you. Meanwhile, food prices will be going up as a result of this drought, and you, yourself, will be paying more to feed yourself.

"The first strike took place in Tripoli a week ago and targeted Islamist-alligned militant-held facilities, such as a weapons depot, and killed six people, according toThe New York Times.

"The second airstrike hit militant-controlled rocket launchers, military vehicles and a warehouse in Tripoli, killing a dozen people.

"U.S. officials, according to the Times, say the strikes have, so far, proved counterproductive. The militants gained control of the Tripoli airport just hours after the second attack."

US Surprised by Egypt UAE Airstrikes on Libyan Militants

 

[Sally]

UAR and Egypt attack Libya, and US was caught by surprise?

"Senior U.S. officials said Egypt and the United Arab Emirates have launched airstrikes against Islamic militants in the Libyan capital twice in the past week.

"U.S. officials told reporters that the move caught the United States by surprise, potentially dealing a blow to relations between Washington, Cairo and the Emirates.

"U.S. officials said Egypt provided the base for the launch of the airstrikes, and the U.A.E. provided the aircraft and pilots.

"Egypt has not publicly acknowledged any role in the air strikes. The UAE had no immediate comment."

One can only wonder if Israel was surprised?

US Surprised by Egypt UAE Airstrikes on Libyan Militants

UAR and Egypt attack Libya, and US was caught by surprise?

"Senior U.S. officials said Egypt and the United Arab Emirates have launched airstrikes against Islamic militants in the Libyan capital twice in the past week.

"U.S. officials told reporters that the move caught the United States by surprise, potentially dealing a blow to relations between Washington, Cairo and the Emirates.

"U.S. officials said Egypt provided the base for the launch of the airstrikes, and the U.A.E. provided the aircraft and pilots.

"Egypt has not publicly acknowledged any role in the air strikes. The UAE had no immediate comment."

One can only wonder if Israel was surprised?

US Surprised by Egypt UAE Airstrikes on Libyan Militants

Naturally you want to drag in your favorite scapegoats, the Jews, into this event. Why not E-mail the Defense Ministers of the countries involved and ask them about this if it is that important for you to know? Meanwhile, the other posters were having a nice conversation about water since lack of water means that people will not be able to grow crops and starve. Since there is a drought here in California, I hope you are doing your best to conserve water. You do want the farmers to have enough water for their crops, don't you. Meanwhile, food prices will be going up as a result of this drought, and you, yourself, will be paying more to feed yourself.

"The first strike took place in Tripoli a week ago and targeted Islamist-alligned militant-held facilities, such as a weapons depot, and killed six people, according toThe New York Times.

"The second airstrike hit militant-controlled rocket launchers, military vehicles and a warehouse in Tripoli, killing a dozen people.

"U.S. officials, according to the Times, say the strikes have, so far, proved counterproductive. The militants gained control of the Tripoli airport just hours after the second attack."

US Surprised by Egypt UAE Airstrikes on Libyan Militants

It certainly looks like you didn't enjoy the two posters talking about water. The biggest problem which will face the world today is the huge population growth and the lack of water to grow crops to feed these people. Maybe you didn't even spend the time to read what they posted because they weren't talking about your favorite scapegoats, the Jews. Right now in the U.N. there is a group working on some kind of solution to get water to millions of people in Africa so that the children don't die of starvation. I realize that you don't care about this as long as you can turn on the spigot and you get all the water that you want.

Human right to water and sanitation International Decade for Action Water for Life 2005-2015

 

[irosie91]

thanks Georgie----important topic-----thanks for your insights and information, Sally. And now ---back to the OP------the middle
east is imploding right now. I predict the next event-----
IMPLOSION in Saudi Arabia (I may be wrong-----do not
quote me)

 

[georgephillip]

Plans for Redrawing the Middle East The Project for a New Middle East Global Research

thanks Georgie----important topic-----thanks for your insights and information, Sally. And now ---back to the OP------the middle
east is imploding right now. I predict the next event-----
IMPLOSION in Saudi Arabia (I may be wrong-----do not
quote me)

Colonel Ralph Peters appears to believe you, rosie.
FWIW, I suspect you are both right.
Plans for Redrawing the Middle East The Project for a New Middle East Global Research

 

[aris2chat]

Plans for Redrawing the Middle East The Project for a New Middle East Global Research

thanks Georgie----important topic-----thanks for your insights and information, Sally. And now ---back to the OP------the middle
east is imploding right now. I predict the next event-----
IMPLOSION in Saudi Arabia (I may be wrong-----do not
quote me)

Colonel Ralph Peters appears to believe you, rosie.
FWIW, I suspect you are both right.
Plans for Redrawing the Middle East The Project for a New Middle East Global Research

This map has already been discussed. Stop trying to use it for agitation purposes.

 

[georgephillip]

Plans for Redrawing the Middle East The Project for a New Middle East Global Research

thanks Georgie----important topic-----thanks for your insights and information, Sally. And now ---back to the OP------the middle
east is imploding right now. I predict the next event-----
IMPLOSION in Saudi Arabia (I may be wrong-----do not
quote me)

Colonel Ralph Peters appears to believe you, rosie.
FWIW, I suspect you are both right.
Plans for Redrawing the Middle East The Project for a New Middle East Global Research

This map has already been discussed. Stop trying to use it for agitation purposes.

Who died and made you Queen of USMB?
Rosie said she thought Saudi Arabia was ripe for implosion, and I mentioned she was in good company. In case you haven't noticed, Iraq is beginning to resemble Colonel Ralph's map more every day. Are you worried that Israel's role in the creation of the New Middle East will become impossible to hide?