Bfgrn
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Unions hire people to work for the government? Please, tell us how this works.And I see that you continue to emulate Obama and blather on incoherently rather than address the points I am making. But I have come to expect that from the left because they have always believed that if they drown poeple in bullshit no one will notice that they are not actually saying anything. By the way, I never chastise anyone for name calling. In fact, when people call me on calling them names I usually point out that telling them that they are spouting talking points is not calling them names. I am quite capable of calling people names, and will do so, I just rarely do. If I called you one you deserved it, in my opinion, so stop whining.
If I am spouting everything Governor Walker says it must be because he is using the same facts I am to make his point. I have not read anything he is saying, nor have I listened to his speeches. Why should I? I am watching the very same battle being fought in California, and watching Democrats point out the facts.
Whatever happened in that phone conversation, Obama actually sent in troublemakers from across the country. The fact that I have not condemned him for using a tried and true political technique shows that I, at least, have honesty going for me. The fact that you condemn Walker for thinking about doing what Obama did, but say nothing about Obama doing, shows me you are a hack.
No, two wrongs do not make a right. However, one right, and another, more stance, do make a right. By the way, if you think only people who supported Obama have a right to be disappointed, I expect you to stop whining about everything Bush did, because I know you did not vote for him.
No it it not. Personal responsibility comes from one's actions. He admitted to thinking about sending in troublemakers, which would have been an acceptable, if sleazy, tactic. He did not do so. What, exactly, do you think I should hold him accountable for? Not doing something I personally consider sleazy? Would not that require me, if I was going to be intellectually honest, to hold Obama responsible for being sleazy, and not excuse it because he is not actually qualified to be in the position he is?
Interesting. But why are you blaming Walker for something I got from a newspaper story? Does calling Walker a liar for something I never said he said make you a liar?
Just a point that you might want to consider. Just because the rates are below the national average, that does not mean they are actually competitive in the state. The fact that an official worded his statement to mention national average, when the article I read mentions that the prices are high for Wisconsin, makes me suspicious. It would make you suspicious too if you were honest. I really love that the trust manages to compete with itself. How, exactly, do they do that?
No, I get to point out that they made a choice when they went to work for the government, and that, if they choose to make a career out of government work, they get better job security, and better benefits. Whining about the fact that they get paid less on top of that is nothing but greed.
That is how personal responsibility actually works, just so you know.
He is not slashing their pay, he is asking them to pay contribute more to future benefits. Even with their increased contributions, they will still pay less than any other group of state workers, or federal government workers, do. What, exactly, is your beef again? Do you really expect me to support unadulterated greed at the expense of the middle class in Wisconsin?
You really are stupid, aren't you? Teachers are free to work part time, and often take a teaching job so they can continue studying, at least the best ones do. Last time I looked, nurses were not state employees. As for snowplows, I understand they routinely wreck cars, because it is impossible to see them in snow drifts. Why should anyone pay top dollar to prevent the unpreventable?
It seems to me that what you want is to pay top dollar because you seem to think that no one will do these jobs unless you do. It does not work that way, and the best and the brightest will get better money elsewhere no matter how much you try to pay them. Personally, I would rather have people doing it that were there because that is what they want to be doing, not because they like the money.
You are right that it is class warfare, you just have the sides wrong.
Actually, if the Nazi's ever do show up again, and go after idiots like you, I will be tempted to cheer them on. I hope that I will not, but I will honestly be tempted to do so, the world would be just a little more bearable without your constant whining.
WOW, maybe I should be incinerated huh windbag? How tolerant and democratic.
As to your accusations that Obama sent in troublemakers, you are only missing one minute detail...TROUBLE...there have been no arrests or 'trouble', but don't let facts deter your right wing dogma.
Walker IS cutting the teacher's pay windbag.
Gov. Scott Walker says he wants state workers covered by collective bargaining agreements to "contribute more" to their pension and health insurance plans.
Accepting Gov. Walker' s assertions as fact, and failing to check, created the impression that somehow the workers are getting something extra, a gift from taxpayers. They are not.
Out of every dollar that funds Wisconsin' s pension and health insurance plans for state workers, 100 cents comes from the state workers.
How can that be? Because the "contributions" consist of money that employees chose to take as deferred wages as pensions when they retire rather than take immediately in cash. The same is true with the health care plan. If this were not so a serious crime would be taking place, the gift of public funds rather than payment for services.
Thus, state workers are not being asked to simply "contribute more" to Wisconsin' s retirement system (or as the argument goes, "pay their fair share" of retirement costs as do employees in Wisconsin' s private sector who still have pensions and health insurance). They are being asked to accept a cut in their salaries so that the state of Wisconsin can use the money to fill the hole left by tax cuts and reduced audits of corporations in Wisconsin.
More at Tax.com
BTW windbag...WHAT would replace the public unions? I am willing to bet it will be rampant nepotism and jobs for political cronies. You folks on the right profess government can do nothing right, but SUDDENLY they can hire and fire with impunity and without corruption or political favors. WHY is that?
So you want the schoolteacher who educates your children, the nurse who tends to you and your family in the hospital, the EMT's who rush to the scene of your car wreck and the snow plow driver who maneuvers by your parked car at 2 AM so you can get to work at 8AM to be jobs with a high turnover and relegated to rookies and people at entry level pay scale.
You folks on the right are textbook examples of the 'cynic' Oscar Wilde so aptly describes: "A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything but the value of nothing."
And the right's ideas and proposals on the local, state and federal level invites the fate of Robert Frost's hired man: the fate of having "nothing to look backward to with pride, and nothing to look forward to with hope."
Unions don't 'hire' people, but they make firing people for political reasons and other frivolous reasons difficult.
