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I don't have a pool.
This is why you are stupid beyond comprehension.
He threw out a general, if you own a pool as a hypothetical. And you respond with "I don't own a pool".
Either you are the biggest idiot I have ever debated with, or you are a troll. (And you don't need to respond with, I don't own a bridge). The biggest irony, is that you use the moniker "Brain". I have a name change suggestion, how about "Brain Stem"?
What point have I made that is wrong? You seem not very smart to me.
That they showed up armed, but it was her fault for opening fire. You are an enemy to liberty. You blame the fucking victim, for not handing over the goods and sending Obamas sons on their way.
No I am saying her having a gun may be the only reason she was shot. The police seem to think they were there to rob, not kill her. And the police know more than you or I. So in this case she may have endangered herself by having a gun.
So you're telling me the police said that the guy didnt intend to use his weapon while committing robbery? I call bullshit.
Because we of course know people never get shot while being robbed...
If someone confronts you with a firearm you ALWAYS assume they are willing to use it. I dont care if it's a criminal or a cop,the only difference is how you react to em.
I concur.I've never been robbed. With 232,000 guns stolen each year gun owners seem to be easy targets.
- Theoretically, knowledge that potential victims have access to firearms could increase the perceived cost of committing a crime to a potential perpetrator and thus prevent the crime from occurring. However, there does not seem to be credible evidence that higher levels of gun ownership and availability actually deter crime. A criminologist once claimed that publicized police programs to train citizens in gun use in Orlando (to prevent rape) and in Kansas City (to prevent robbery) led to reductions in crime.[80] However, a careful analysis of the data found no evidence that crime rates changed in either location after the training.[81] The deterrent effects of civilian gun ownership on burglary rates were supposedly shown by the experiences of Morton Grove, Illinois—after it banned handguns—and Kennesaw, Georgia— after it required that firearms be kept in all homes.[80] Again, a careful analysis of the data did not show that guns reduced crime.[82] Instead, in Morton Grove, the banning of handguns was actually followed by a large and statistically significant decrease in burglary reports.[81]
One study found an association between lower crime rates in states with higher levels of household gun ownership.[83] But the gun ownership data for the analysis were not valid. The source of the data (Voter News Service) stated that the data could not justifiably be used to determine state-level gunownership levels or changes in gun ownership rates.
Some have argued that when gun prevalence is high, there are fewer burglaries[84] and fewer "hot" burglaries (when someone is at home) because burglars will seek out unoccupied dwellings to avoid being shot.[80,85] But the evidence does not show this. An international compilation of victimization surveys in 11 developed countries found that the United States (with the most guns) was average in terms of attempted and completed burglary rates,[86] and there was no relationship between gun prevalence and burglary rates.[12] Studies in the United States across states and counties found that in areas with higher levels of household gun ownership, there were actually more burglaries, and there were more burglaries when someone was at home, not less.[63,87] One reason may be that guns, like cash and jewelry, are attractive loot fo
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that issue is going to be debated for a long time.....however......what has turned out to be even more important.....increased levels of gun ownership, as more Americans not only buy guns, but also carry them for self defense, have not led to more crime......in fact, as more Americans have bought and carry guns.....the gun crime rate and the accidental gun death rate have gone down...substantially, and not up, as the anti gunners predicted they would....
Most gun sales are to people who already own. Ownership is down.
What a load of horse hockey.
I've provided a survey, what you have to counter?
I concur.
- Theoretically, knowledge that potential victims have access to firearms could increase the perceived cost of committing a crime to a potential perpetrator and thus prevent the crime from occurring. However, there does not seem to be credible evidence that higher levels of gun ownership and availability actually deter crime. A criminologist once claimed that publicized police programs to train citizens in gun use in Orlando (to prevent rape) and in Kansas City (to prevent robbery) led to reductions in crime.[80] However, a careful analysis of the data found no evidence that crime rates changed in either location after the training.[81] The deterrent effects of civilian gun ownership on burglary rates were supposedly shown by the experiences of Morton Grove, Illinois—after it banned handguns—and Kennesaw, Georgia— after it required that firearms be kept in all homes.[80] Again, a careful analysis of the data did not show that guns reduced crime.[82] Instead, in Morton Grove, the banning of handguns was actually followed by a large and statistically significant decrease in burglary reports.[81]
One study found an association between lower crime rates in states with higher levels of household gun ownership.[83] But the gun ownership data for the analysis were not valid. The source of the data (Voter News Service) stated that the data could not justifiably be used to determine state-level gunownership levels or changes in gun ownership rates.
Some have argued that when gun prevalence is high, there are fewer burglaries[84] and fewer "hot" burglaries (when someone is at home) because burglars will seek out unoccupied dwellings to avoid being shot.[80,85] But the evidence does not show this. An international compilation of victimization surveys in 11 developed countries found that the United States (with the most guns) was average in terms of attempted and completed burglary rates,[86] and there was no relationship between gun prevalence and burglary rates.[12] Studies in the United States across states and counties found that in areas with higher levels of household gun ownership, there were actually more burglaries, and there were more burglaries when someone was at home, not less.[63,87] One reason may be that guns, like cash and jewelry, are attractive loot fo
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that issue is going to be debated for a long time.....however......what has turned out to be even more important.....increased levels of gun ownership, as more Americans not only buy guns, but also carry them for self defense, have not led to more crime......in fact, as more Americans have bought and carry guns.....the gun crime rate and the accidental gun death rate have gone down...substantially, and not up, as the anti gunners predicted they would....
Most gun sales are to people who already own. Ownership is down.
What a load of horse hockey.
I've provided a survey, what you have to counter?
How about being very familiar with guns and gun culture for forty years?
In other words I see more of what goes on in the gun industry in a month than you will in your entire life.
And as any regular shooter will tell you...there are more noobs than ever at the range,and you see a crap load more women as well.
I concur.
- Theoretically, knowledge that potential victims have access to firearms could increase the perceived cost of committing a crime to a potential perpetrator and thus prevent the crime from occurring. However, there does not seem to be credible evidence that higher levels of gun ownership and availability actually deter crime. A criminologist once claimed that publicized police programs to train citizens in gun use in Orlando (to prevent rape) and in Kansas City (to prevent robbery) led to reductions in crime.[80] However, a careful analysis of the data found no evidence that crime rates changed in either location after the training.[81] The deterrent effects of civilian gun ownership on burglary rates were supposedly shown by the experiences of Morton Grove, Illinois—after it banned handguns—and Kennesaw, Georgia— after it required that firearms be kept in all homes.[80] Again, a careful analysis of the data did not show that guns reduced crime.[82] Instead, in Morton Grove, the banning of handguns was actually followed by a large and statistically significant decrease in burglary reports.[81]
One study found an association between lower crime rates in states with higher levels of household gun ownership.[83] But the gun ownership data for the analysis were not valid. The source of the data (Voter News Service) stated that the data could not justifiably be used to determine state-level gunownership levels or changes in gun ownership rates.
Some have argued that when gun prevalence is high, there are fewer burglaries[84] and fewer "hot" burglaries (when someone is at home) because burglars will seek out unoccupied dwellings to avoid being shot.[80,85] But the evidence does not show this. An international compilation of victimization surveys in 11 developed countries found that the United States (with the most guns) was average in terms of attempted and completed burglary rates,[86] and there was no relationship between gun prevalence and burglary rates.[12] Studies in the United States across states and counties found that in areas with higher levels of household gun ownership, there were actually more burglaries, and there were more burglaries when someone was at home, not less.[63,87] One reason may be that guns, like cash and jewelry, are attractive loot fo
REPORT
+ QUOTEREPLY
that issue is going to be debated for a long time.....however......what has turned out to be even more important.....increased levels of gun ownership, as more Americans not only buy guns, but also carry them for self defense, have not led to more crime......in fact, as more Americans have bought and carry guns.....the gun crime rate and the accidental gun death rate have gone down...substantially, and not up, as the anti gunners predicted they would....
Most gun sales are to people who already own. Ownership is down.
What a load of horse hockey.
I've provided a survey, what you have to counter?
Oh boy a "survey". Background checks are actual evidence, and facts. Surveys are not. I lie to survey takers all the time. They are not a credible source for anything.
that issue is going to be debated for a long time.....however......what has turned out to be even more important.....increased levels of gun ownership, as more Americans not only buy guns, but also carry them for self defense, have not led to more crime......in fact, as more Americans have bought and carry guns.....the gun crime rate and the accidental gun death rate have gone down...substantially, and not up, as the anti gunners predicted they would....
Most gun sales are to people who already own. Ownership is down.
What a load of horse hockey.
I've provided a survey, what you have to counter?
Oh boy a "survey". Background checks are actual evidence, and facts. Surveys are not. I lie to survey takers all the time. They are not a credible source for anything.
Background checks show sales are up. You have something that shows lots of these are new gun owners?
that issue is going to be debated for a long time.....however......what has turned out to be even more important.....increased levels of gun ownership, as more Americans not only buy guns, but also carry them for self defense, have not led to more crime......in fact, as more Americans have bought and carry guns.....the gun crime rate and the accidental gun death rate have gone down...substantially, and not up, as the anti gunners predicted they would....
Most gun sales are to people who already own. Ownership is down.
What a load of horse hockey.
I've provided a survey, what you have to counter?
Oh boy a "survey". Background checks are actual evidence, and facts. Surveys are not. I lie to survey takers all the time. They are not a credible source for anything.
When a stranger asks you if you own firearms there's only one answer.
I think I am going to get rid of all mine, you have convinced me!
If I am ever faced with a home invasion, I will simply appeal to their good nature. They probably aren't bad guys after all. Just misunderstood. And to get them to leave me in peace I will offer up any valuables I can round up. Including sentimental jewelry and such. After they take as much as they want, I will call the police, I am sure finding all my stuff would be no real big issue. If they shoot and kill my family, hell we probably deserved it for not offering up our belongings in the first place.
Might be a good idea. You are 3x more likely to accidently shoot and kill someone than to shoot and kill a criminal. You should get an alarm system.
I wouldnt have a home without an alarm and surveillance system.
Of course I set mine to beep quietly in the bedroom when I'm home.
Wouldnt want to scare em off before I can get a shot at em.
So rather than have them leave when alarm sounds you want to increase your chances of being shot? Not very smart.
I'll know whether to shoot or not before they even know I'm aware of their presence.
I was lucky the day three mexicans attempted to invade my home.
Have it happen to you once and you might change your mind.If you're lucky enough to live through it that is.
Change my mind? Think the facts are clear that often having a gun is a bad idea.
This is why you are stupid beyond comprehension.
He threw out a general, if you own a pool as a hypothetical. And you respond with "I don't own a pool".
Either you are the biggest idiot I have ever debated with, or you are a troll. (And you don't need to respond with, I don't own a bridge). The biggest irony, is that you use the moniker "Brain". I have a name change suggestion, how about "Brain Stem"?
What point have I made that is wrong? You seem not very smart to me.
That they showed up armed, but it was her fault for opening fire. You are an enemy to liberty. You blame the fucking victim, for not handing over the goods and sending Obamas sons on their way.
No I am saying her having a gun may be the only reason she was shot. The police seem to think they were there to rob, not kill her. And the police know more than you or I. So in this case she may have endangered herself by having a gun.
So you're telling me the police said that the guy didnt intend to use his weapon while committing robbery? I call bullshit.
Because we of course know people never get shot while being robbed...
If someone confronts you with a firearm you ALWAYS assume they are willing to use it. I dont care if it's a criminal or a cop,the only difference is how you react to em.
Being armed yourself makes you more likely to be shot.
Might be a good idea. You are 3x more likely to accidently shoot and kill someone than to shoot and kill a criminal. You should get an alarm system.
I wouldnt have a home without an alarm and surveillance system.
Of course I set mine to beep quietly in the bedroom when I'm home.
Wouldnt want to scare em off before I can get a shot at em.
So rather than have them leave when alarm sounds you want to increase your chances of being shot? Not very smart.
I'll know whether to shoot or not before they even know I'm aware of their presence.
I was lucky the day three mexicans attempted to invade my home.
Have it happen to you once and you might change your mind.If you're lucky enough to live through it that is.
Change my mind? Think the facts are clear that often having a gun is a bad idea.
Not in my case...you go ahead and flip that coin. I think I'd rather stack the deck in my favor.
I wouldnt have a home without an alarm and surveillance system.
Of course I set mine to beep quietly in the bedroom when I'm home.
Wouldnt want to scare em off before I can get a shot at em.
So rather than have them leave when alarm sounds you want to increase your chances of being shot? Not very smart.
I'll know whether to shoot or not before they even know I'm aware of their presence.
I was lucky the day three mexicans attempted to invade my home.
Have it happen to you once and you might change your mind.If you're lucky enough to live through it that is.
Change my mind? Think the facts are clear that often having a gun is a bad idea.
Not in my case...you go ahead and flip that coin. I think I'd rather stack the deck in my favor.
Seems to have worked out for you so far. Hope that continues.
What point have I made that is wrong? You seem not very smart to me.
That they showed up armed, but it was her fault for opening fire. You are an enemy to liberty. You blame the fucking victim, for not handing over the goods and sending Obamas sons on their way.
No I am saying her having a gun may be the only reason she was shot. The police seem to think they were there to rob, not kill her. And the police know more than you or I. So in this case she may have endangered herself by having a gun.
So you're telling me the police said that the guy didnt intend to use his weapon while committing robbery? I call bullshit.
Because we of course know people never get shot while being robbed...
If someone confronts you with a firearm you ALWAYS assume they are willing to use it. I dont care if it's a criminal or a cop,the only difference is how you react to em.
Being armed yourself makes you more likely to be shot.
This is why you are stupid beyond comprehension.
He threw out a general, if you own a pool as a hypothetical. And you respond with "I don't own a pool".
Either you are the biggest idiot I have ever debated with, or you are a troll. (And you don't need to respond with, I don't own a bridge). The biggest irony, is that you use the moniker "Brain". I have a name change suggestion, how about "Brain Stem"?
What point have I made that is wrong? You seem not very smart to me.
That they showed up armed, but it was her fault for opening fire. You are an enemy to liberty. You blame the fucking victim, for not handing over the goods and sending Obamas sons on their way.
No I am saying her having a gun may be the only reason she was shot. The police seem to think they were there to rob, not kill her. And the police know more than you or I. So in this case she may have endangered herself by having a gun.
So you're telling me the police said that the guy didnt intend to use his weapon while committing robbery? I call bullshit.
Because we of course know people never get shot while being robbed...
If someone confronts you with a firearm you ALWAYS assume they are willing to use it. I dont care if it's a criminal or a cop,the only difference is how you react to em.
Being armed yourself makes you more likely to be shot.
What point have I made that is wrong? You seem not very smart to me.
That they showed up armed, but it was her fault for opening fire. You are an enemy to liberty. You blame the fucking victim, for not handing over the goods and sending Obamas sons on their way.
No I am saying her having a gun may be the only reason she was shot. The police seem to think they were there to rob, not kill her. And the police know more than you or I. So in this case she may have endangered herself by having a gun.
So you're telling me the police said that the guy didnt intend to use his weapon while committing robbery? I call bullshit.
Because we of course know people never get shot while being robbed...
If someone confronts you with a firearm you ALWAYS assume they are willing to use it. I dont care if it's a criminal or a cop,the only difference is how you react to em.
Being armed yourself makes you more likely to be shot.
There are over 8 million CCW holders in the U.S.
I'd like to see some numbers on how many of them have accidentally killed themselves.
That they showed up armed, but it was her fault for opening fire. You are an enemy to liberty. You blame the fucking victim, for not handing over the goods and sending Obamas sons on their way.
No I am saying her having a gun may be the only reason she was shot. The police seem to think they were there to rob, not kill her. And the police know more than you or I. So in this case she may have endangered herself by having a gun.
So you're telling me the police said that the guy didnt intend to use his weapon while committing robbery? I call bullshit.
Because we of course know people never get shot while being robbed...
If someone confronts you with a firearm you ALWAYS assume they are willing to use it. I dont care if it's a criminal or a cop,the only difference is how you react to em.
Being armed yourself makes you more likely to be shot.
Is that what you do when you can't debate facts? Very childish.
that issue is going to be debated for a long time.....however......what has turned out to be even more important.....increased levels of gun ownership, as more Americans not only buy guns, but also carry them for self defense, have not led to more crime......in fact, as more Americans have bought and carry guns.....the gun crime rate and the accidental gun death rate have gone down...substantially, and not up, as the anti gunners predicted they would....
Most gun sales are to people who already own. Ownership is down.
What a load of horse hockey.
I've provided a survey, what you have to counter?
How about being very familiar with guns and gun culture for forty years?
In other words I see more of what goes on in the gun industry in a month than you will in your entire life.
And as any regular shooter will tell you...there are more noobs than ever at the range,and you see a crap load more women as well.
No. Unless you go to every range in the country. Maybe it is up in your area and down everywhere else. Pretty dumb really you are using that as your basis.
That they showed up armed, but it was her fault for opening fire. You are an enemy to liberty. You blame the fucking victim, for not handing over the goods and sending Obamas sons on their way.
No I am saying her having a gun may be the only reason she was shot. The police seem to think they were there to rob, not kill her. And the police know more than you or I. So in this case she may have endangered herself by having a gun.
So you're telling me the police said that the guy didnt intend to use his weapon while committing robbery? I call bullshit.
Because we of course know people never get shot while being robbed...
If someone confronts you with a firearm you ALWAYS assume they are willing to use it. I dont care if it's a criminal or a cop,the only difference is how you react to em.
Being armed yourself makes you more likely to be shot.
There are over 8 million CCW holders in the U.S.
I'd like to see some numbers on how many of them have accidentally killed themselves.
I think there are over 11 million.
Most gun sales are to people who already own. Ownership is down.
What a load of horse hockey.
I've provided a survey, what you have to counter?
How about being very familiar with guns and gun culture for forty years?
In other words I see more of what goes on in the gun industry in a month than you will in your entire life.
And as any regular shooter will tell you...there are more noobs than ever at the range,and you see a crap load more women as well.
No. Unless you go to every range in the country. Maybe it is up in your area and down everywhere else. Pretty dumb really you are using that as your basis.
So you must live in my neighborhood. And I guess everyone else on this board does as well.
Because we all know you dont converse with strangers on the internet on message boards to glean information on a particular topic.
Do you know that until about ten years ago owning an AR was a rarity for the most part? Now every tom dick and harry has one and there are more manufactures of the AR platform than any other firearm.
That doesnt happen because a guy owns a couple of rifles and decides to buy another.
I wouldnt have a home without an alarm and surveillance system.
Of course I set mine to beep quietly in the bedroom when I'm home.
Wouldnt want to scare em off before I can get a shot at em.
So rather than have them leave when alarm sounds you want to increase your chances of being shot? Not very smart.
I'll know whether to shoot or not before they even know I'm aware of their presence.
I was lucky the day three mexicans attempted to invade my home.
Have it happen to you once and you might change your mind.If you're lucky enough to live through it that is.
Change my mind? Think the facts are clear that often having a gun is a bad idea.
Not in my case...you go ahead and flip that coin. I think I'd rather stack the deck in my favor.
Seems to have worked out for you so far. Hope that continues.
No I am saying her having a gun may be the only reason she was shot. The police seem to think they were there to rob, not kill her. And the police know more than you or I. So in this case she may have endangered herself by having a gun.
So you're telling me the police said that the guy didnt intend to use his weapon while committing robbery? I call bullshit.
Because we of course know people never get shot while being robbed...
If someone confronts you with a firearm you ALWAYS assume they are willing to use it. I dont care if it's a criminal or a cop,the only difference is how you react to em.
Being armed yourself makes you more likely to be shot.
There are over 8 million CCW holders in the U.S.
I'd like to see some numbers on how many of them have accidentally killed themselves.
I think there are over 11 million.
You're correct. It's over 11.1 now.
So rather than have them leave when alarm sounds you want to increase your chances of being shot? Not very smart.
I'll know whether to shoot or not before they even know I'm aware of their presence.
I was lucky the day three mexicans attempted to invade my home.
Have it happen to you once and you might change your mind.If you're lucky enough to live through it that is.
Change my mind? Think the facts are clear that often having a gun is a bad idea.
Not in my case...you go ahead and flip that coin. I think I'd rather stack the deck in my favor.
Seems to have worked out for you so far. Hope that continues.
Hoping is a piss poor plan of action. You dont live on the Gulf Coast do you?
