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It was TX so the majority probably did carry, didn’t help.If the majority of the men in the shopping center in El Paso were armed, would it have reduced the damage done there? In the Old West, the murder rate was actually considerably lower than it is now nationwide. We should make firearm training mandatory for all men 18 and older.
I’ll take issue with that. The majority probably wasn’t carrying. But Texas being the shithole that Texas is, the only thing those fecal swans have to be proud of is stupid rules like being able to carry a gun in church. I doubt a majority was armed but I doubt the shooter cared one way or the other. If you’re going to add to the misery of the miserable people in the union’s most miserable state…you have to calculate that a lot of them will be armed. What else do they have?
Listen carefully.When seconds count the police are minutes away. At what number or seconds do you think those victims wish someone had a gun to stop this guy? Third victim, 10 seconds in? Or the ninth at 30 seconds?In Dayton 9 people died and over 20 shot in THIRTY seconds...so in answer to the OP
NO
It was OVER in 30 seconds
In Dayton 9 people died and over 20 shot in THIRTY seconds...so in answer to the OP
NO
Why didn't any armed citizens step forward in El Paso and Dayton to stop the shooters?
White men only. Those Mexicans … President Trump said they shouldn't get guns. I suppose the legals could, but what if an illegal had a gun and we coundn't tell him from one of the legal ones. Chaos. (-:If the majority of the men in the shopping center in El Paso were armed, would it have reduced the damage done there? In the Old West, the murder rate was actually considerably lower than it is now nationwide. We should make firearm training mandatory for all men 18 and older.
Listen carefully.When seconds count the police are minutes away. At what number or seconds do you think those victims wish someone had a gun to stop this guy? Third victim, 10 seconds in? Or the ninth at 30 seconds?In Dayton 9 people died and over 20 shot in THIRTY seconds...so in answer to the OP
NO
It was OVER in 30 seconds
No wallowing here just laughing at another dip ship on this board who can’t back up anything they say. Carry onEasy answer, your sense of common knowledge is different than mine.You forgot to post the link backing up your argument.Interesting... what was the murder rate back in the old west? Would love to see that stats that led to that statement
You really havent checked the stats?
The wild west wasn't nearly as wild as you think it was.
Why is it that you liberals dont know what to most is common knowledge?
Now let me ask...
Why don’t you set a good example and post data to back up the things you say? Why do I need to keep asking over and over again?
I'll just leave you to wallow in your own ignorance.
Thank you! Finally somebody who can put stays behind the things they sayInteresting... what was the murder rate back in the old west? Would love to see that stats that led to that statementIf the majority of the men in the shopping center in El Paso were armed, would it have reduced the damage done there? In the Old West, the murder rate was actually considerably lower than it is now nationwide. We should make firearm training mandatory for all men 18 and older.
The Wild West was Much Safer than New York at its Tamest
Myth busting the Wild West.
In the cowboy towns that epitomized the Wild West: “Abilene, Ellsworth, Wichita, Dodge City, and Caldwell, for the years from 1870 to 1885, there were only 45 total homicides. This equates to a rate of approximately 1 murder per 100,000 residents per year”.
https://www.amazon.com/Frontier-Vio...8&s=books&qid=1234881730&sr=8-1&tag=ff0d01-20
Measured by murder rate, in 2007 New York was 6 times; DC, 31 times; Newark, 37 times and Baltimore, a staggering 45 times more wild than the Wild Wild West.
DC – 183 Murders (31 per 100,000 residents)
New York – 494 Murders (6 per 100,000 residents)
Baltimore – 281 Murders (45 per 100,000 residents)
Newark – 104 Murders (37 per 100,000 residents)
If the majority of the men in the shopping center in El Paso were armed, would it have reduced the damage done there? In the Old West, the murder rate was actually considerably lower than it is now nationwide. We should make firearm training mandatory for all men 18 and older.
We were waiting for all of the broads to do it. TV tells us in all the police and space dramas and more they are so much better. From fighting and shooting and smarter and all that stuff. What happened? They never seem to be there to save the day. All of the resources spent on uplifting women and we forgot that we downsized males. Emasculation and the loss of civility has caused a beautiful thing. And many are finding their answers to the problem. Of course we still got guys wh protect the wenches and call this cwardice. But this is not the 1950's as you like to say. This is the 21srt century and they are just as proficient as your Islamic brothers and sisters. The future is so bright. A cornucopia of rainbows....But hey....its the guns....Why didn't any armed citizens step forward in El Paso and Dayton to stop the shooters?
That pretty much settles it.Why didn't any armed citizens step forward in El Paso and Dayton to stop the shooters?
They are not required to do it.....the one guy there helped escort kids to safety.
But if there were more people there with guns?
Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]
Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.
Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.
In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.
We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.
Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.
If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.
If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general
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One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.
As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.
It sounds like only cowards carry guns to protect themselves - not others. Interesting...
It sounds like only cowards carry guns to protect themselves - not others. Interesting...
You're a goddamn moron. In the face of conclusive evidence you act like you're some kind of bullet-proof badass.
Go kill yourself, Kemosabe.
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Or they don't show up at all.When seconds count the police are minutes away. At what number or seconds do you think those victims wish someone had a gun to stop this guy? Third victim, 10 seconds in? Or the ninth at 30 seconds?In Dayton 9 people died and over 20 shot in THIRTY seconds...so in answer to the OP
NO
No civilian has an obligation to do so.Why didn't any armed citizens step forward in El Paso and Dayton to stop the shooters?
And that is a good thing. Isn't it?Why not most women? Or most minorities?If the majority of the men in the shopping center in El Paso were armed, would it have reduced the damage done there? In the Old West, the murder rate was actually considerably lower than it is now nationwide. We should make firearm training mandatory for all men 18 and older.
Women and minorities are some of the fastest growing groups of new CCW licenses.
Or they don't show up at all.When seconds count the police are minutes away. At what number or seconds do you think those victims wish someone had a gun to stop this guy? Third victim, 10 seconds in? Or the ninth at 30 seconds?In Dayton 9 people died and over 20 shot in THIRTY seconds...so in answer to the OP
NO
The Supreme court has ruled that no police force is obligated to come to the aid of the public
Not sure what that's supposed to mean without a link or an opinion.Or they don't show up at all.When seconds count the police are minutes away. At what number or seconds do you think those victims wish someone had a gun to stop this guy? Third victim, 10 seconds in? Or the ninth at 30 seconds?In Dayton 9 people died and over 20 shot in THIRTY seconds...so in answer to the OP
NO
The Supreme court has ruled that no police force is obligated to come to the aid of the public
Castle Rock v. Gonzales, No. 04-278. Ms. Gonzales did not have a "property interest" in enforcing the restraining order.
