The Bible itself seems to contradict you.
Nowhere near how much you're contradicting it here Andy.....~S~
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The Bible itself seems to contradict you.
The right married politics and religion and corrupted both. The simple faith of my childhood is unrecognizable
So you need to rethink a little bit.
The shameful sadistic way that we treated the refugees coming to the Southern border marks you for a hypocrite. Did you have a single charitable impulse?I am talking about the American right and their terribly un-Christian way of dealing with the world. Nothing of Christ exists in their politics, nothing. They are passing by on the other side. Remember the parable of the Samaritan? I do not think you do.Jesus specifically told us to give of our time and money in service to our brothers and sisters, especially the downtrodden. I look at evangelicals and I see an entire faith passing by on the other side. I fail to understand why this central ideal is missing from American right-wing politicized Christianity. I mean it's right there in red and white.Well.... no.... We are absolutely not to be each other's saviors. In fact, trying to be someone else's savior, is the worst thing you can do, because you simply can't. There is only one true Jesus. No one else can be Jesus, but Jesus.
So I don't know where you got that idea, that we are to try and put ourselves as G-d, but that is not how it works.
However, that is true that we are not to be intentionally jerks to people.
I think where the rub comes, is that Christians are in fact, supposed to stand up against the darkness. We are supposed to call evil, what is evil.
Now that doesn't mean I go around town trying to hunt down people that are doing wrong, and scream in their face. Which I think that is what you are referring to.
But if I'm asked if doing X is wrong, I'm going to say, yeah that's wrong. Yeah, Divorcing your wife without cause is wrong. "You are being a jerk!" No, I'm just saying the truth, because you asked. I didn't hunt you down, you asked me, and I answered a question.
What? Stop... what?
https://www.pgm.org/our-impact/impact-statistics/
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Pacific Garden Mission, is a 100% evangelical funded ministry. They take no government money. They provide food, clothing, shelter, health care, and job/career training programs free.
That is one of HUNDREDS of programs across the country.
Mercy Home Ministries
Mercy Ministries is a non-profit which takes young women, has shelter for those who have run away from home, or kicked out. Provides help for those who have problems with addiction, self-harm, suicide, human trafficking, food, shelter, clothing.
Samaritan’s Purse Home Page
Samartian's purse has been air lifting supplies in, and Christian Syrians out of Syria for years. They are already on the ground in South Sudan where the massive floods have people running for shelter.
Lutheran Social Services Network of Hope
Lutheran Social Services in Columbus Ohio, operates the shelter I volunteer at.
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1.6 Million meals given out this year. 124,000 people sheltered for the night (not all at one time obviously, but over the course of a year). 80K uses of the free health clinic. All paid for by church support, and charitable donations.
Do you need me to go on?
Home | Cypress Church
My home church. Right now in the middle of a Coat4Kids program. We had four of the stores around the church, all run out of stock on children's coats, because of this drive.
Missions | Northwest Bible Church
My sister's church, has a orphanage in Malawi that they fund almost exclusively.
Outreach - Berean Bible Church - Dublin, OH
My parents church sends people to the Ronald McDonald House, which if you don't know what they do, they help children at Nationwide Children's Hospital.
So, you'll forgive me if I'm a bit blown away by your statement that evangelicals are passing by on the other side.........
Based on what?? How can you possibly say such a thing? And by the way, what I just posted was a few highlights, from thousands of examples. It would be impossible for me to list all the evangelical service ministries operating just in Ohio... just one state.
So not to be too repetitious.... but what.... in the world.... are you.... talking about??
Of course I do. I've read through the Bible every single year, for the past 6 years.
And I just listed hundreds of examples of people following that teaching.
So again.... what in the world are you talking about? Their terribly un-christian way of dealing with world? Did you miss Samaritan's Purse sending entire plane loads of supplies to Syrian and South Sudan?
What are you talking about? Be specific. You keep making vague ambiguous claims, with nothing supporting it.
From Puerto Rico to California to Florida we have seen a string of natural disasters. Trump and the republicans played politics with every bit of it while Americans suffered. Did you even care?
Our president lies constantly. Do you value honesty at all?
Our Earth is in a climate crisis. Why do you not care that we treat God's creation like a garbage dump in the name of capitalism.
Speaking of capitalism. The want of money is the root of all evil yet the right sees the amoral nature of business as somehow blameless.
It's getting late so I will cut off there for now.
The right married politics and religion and corrupted both. The simple faith of my childhood is unrecognizable. Those moral majority jerks that hijacked the mainly Southern Baptist churches deserve the lowest pits of hell for what they have done.
People generally become more conservative as they grow older. So, Jesus is likely looking at his younger self and saying "Jeez, what was I thinking?"
What.Here's a question never to ask online, or you will get a 20 page answer from me, explaining how Jesus represents the Authority of EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER LAW and would unite the best of all parties while correcting the problems with all of us. (see my original answer I will post as a separate post on this thread, it's way too long and annoying, and needs tons of editing)
To make this simple, I'll just post a POLL of which party you think Jesus would use to lead the Second Coming or REFORMATION. We already saw the first Reformation where Luther liberated people from depending on Church authority in order to follow the laws of Christianity by building their own churches.
Today we face the challenging stage of liberating people from depending on Govt authority, by following the laws of Constitutional process and ethics to build our own community, city and state programs as sustainable developments without relying on federal govt or taxation forced on others. We are supposed to be building and governing ourselves, locally and democratically, while using the state and federal levels for national security and defense, and checking and balance powers that are only granted to government by consent of the governed.
How can we establish Equal Justice Under Law when people are organized into diverse tribes, parties and nations each with their own beliefs?
That is the challenge that Jesus fulfills as the spirit of RESTORATIVE JUSTICE that makes us all EQUAL UNDER LAW. What party would Jesus use to lead this movement?
Or would he call for a mix of the top 4 parties and unite teams of leaders from all the branches and denominations to lead their tribes in a collaborative, unified plan for the nation and the world?
What PARTY do you think Jesus would claim or affiliate with to fulfill EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER LAW for all people of America and to lead the rest of the world by example? Would he even manifest in America as the leader of this movement toward perfect democratic government by empowering or educating the masses?
Might he come through China or Russia or Africa to lead whole continents to unite on plans to rebuild and reform society to serve all people through charitable free will and no longer rely on force of government?
How do you envision the Second coming of Jesus as EQUAL JUSTICE and PEACE for all people?
What.Here's a question never to ask online, or you will get a 20 page answer from me, explaining how Jesus represents the Authority of EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER LAW and would unite the best of all parties while correcting the problems with all of us. (see my original answer I will post as a separate post on this thread, it's way too long and annoying, and needs tons of editing)
To make this simple, I'll just post a POLL of which party you think Jesus would use to lead the Second Coming or REFORMATION. We already saw the first Reformation where Luther liberated people from depending on Church authority in order to follow the laws of Christianity by building their own churches.
Today we face the challenging stage of liberating people from depending on Govt authority, by following the laws of Constitutional process and ethics to build our own community, city and state programs as sustainable developments without relying on federal govt or taxation forced on others. We are supposed to be building and governing ourselves, locally and democratically, while using the state and federal levels for national security and defense, and checking and balance powers that are only granted to government by consent of the governed.
How can we establish Equal Justice Under Law when people are organized into diverse tribes, parties and nations each with their own beliefs?
That is the challenge that Jesus fulfills as the spirit of RESTORATIVE JUSTICE that makes us all EQUAL UNDER LAW. What party would Jesus use to lead this movement?
Or would he call for a mix of the top 4 parties and unite teams of leaders from all the branches and denominations to lead their tribes in a collaborative, unified plan for the nation and the world?
What PARTY do you think Jesus would claim or affiliate with to fulfill EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER LAW for all people of America and to lead the rest of the world by example? Would he even manifest in America as the leader of this movement toward perfect democratic government by empowering or educating the masses?
Might he come through China or Russia or Africa to lead whole continents to unite on plans to rebuild and reform society to serve all people through charitable free will and no longer rely on force of government?
How do you envision the Second coming of Jesus as EQUAL JUSTICE and PEACE for all people?
Well my guess is that he won't be running for any elections considering they nailed him to a cross.Here's my original answer unedited.
To edit it, I guess I'd just say Jesus doesn't represent any one party but EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER LAW. This would include people of ALL parties (see last part in BOLD:
This view would be seen as LIBERTARIAN by respecting free will of individuals, and would be INCLUSIVE OF DIVERSITY as Liberals and Progressives preach, but would follow both CHRISTIAN AND CONSTITUTIONAL laws as the Conservatives and Republicans preach by obedience to laws. Jesus would fulfill all these paths and unite them as the Authority of EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER LAW that governs and includes people of all tribes.)
But that doesn't explain which one Jesus would use PRIMARILY to lead the others.
So that's why my answer turned into THIS huge diatribe on political diversity and inclusion:
"He would probably try to work with people of all parties to stick to God's plan, will and purpose that would unite across all parties and lead not only the nation but the world to follow suit. He would have disciples from all parties, and work with all tribes. I'm guessing he'd have Presidents and Governors come from Conservative CONSTITUTIONALISTS, Military and Republican backgrounds that promote the leadership needed for SECURITY and DEFENSE. And have Democrats Liberals and Progressives working INTERNALLY on including people in education and participation in the democratic process, developing health care and medical education to reduce the populations and costs of prisons so schools and teaching hospitals can be funded instead training doctors and nurses for the same money wasted incarcerating inmates who can't work and become burdens on society.
He would call anyone working for RESTORATIVE JUSTICE, Equal Justice Under Law, and Justice and Peace to work together. I am guessing this takes a COMBINATION of parties. He would be a "diversity inclusion" version of Thomas Jefferson, whom BOTH PARTIES CLAIM -- totally compelling people by free choice and rebuke to correct wrongs instead of abusing force. Dr. King was a Republican and failed to unite people totally. Christ Jesus as the Law or Authority of RESTORATIVE JUSTICE would likely be INCLUSIVE of diversity, calling all people poor or rich, and not blaming any one "group" but rebuking and correcting wrongs in EVERY class, group, tribe, nation or situation. But he would enforce and not reject the Church and State laws in the Bible and Bill of Rights which reflect Universal laws given by God. So he would not be like the Liberals of today "rejecting Christianity and Constitutionalism" He would be compelling all people to follow these natural and spiritual laws that are UNIVERSAL for the good of humanity. He might be more LIBERTARIAN with the INCLUSION of the progressive liberals that Democrats claim (but aren't practicing), while ENFORCING CONSTITUTIONAL AND CHRISTIAN LAWS that unite all people to GOVERN THEMSELVES DEMOCRATICALLY by free will and respect for good faith relations between all neighbors and all nations joined as one under God.
He would call anyone with a vision to fulfill universal plans that benefit ALL people of ALL Parties and classes and doesn't try to abuse force on others including forced taxation to force others to pay for the agenda of other parties or groups. All the work would be compelled by FREE WILL because people will follow the right plan by consent. He would work through individuals building local programs through churches, schools, nonprofits and businesses where people take responsibility not depending on Government to do the work. The people would unite and be in charge and do things independently through education and empowerment as unified communities following God not party agenda forced on anyone. That's not necessary where Jesus reconciles each person with God's plan which doesn't require Government to force people to invest in community building and charity, but all the work will be based on what people NATURALLY believe in and agree to do.
This view would be seen as LIBERTARIAN by respecting free will of individuals, and would be INCLUSIVE OF DIVERSITY as Liberals and Progressives preach, but would follow both CHRISTIAN AND CONSTITUTIONAL laws as the Conservatives and Republicans preach by obedience to laws. Jesus would fulfill all these paths and unite them as the Authority of EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER LAW that governs and includes people of all tribes."
Who said he wasn't?If jesus showed up today "fake conservatives" would call for his deportation and call him rag head.Here's a question never to ask online, or you will get a 20 page answer from me, explaining how Jesus represents the Authority of EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER LAW and would unite the best of all parties while correcting the problems with all of us. (see my original answer I will post as a separate post on this thread, it's way too long and annoying, and needs tons of editing)
To make this simple, I'll just post a POLL of which party you think Jesus would use to lead the Second Coming or REFORMATION. We already saw the first Reformation where Luther liberated people from depending on Church authority in order to follow the laws of Christianity by building their own churches.
Today we face the challenging stage of liberating people from depending on Govt authority, by following the laws of Constitutional process and ethics to build our own community, city and state programs as sustainable developments without relying on federal govt or taxation forced on others. We are supposed to be building and governing ourselves, locally and democratically, while using the state and federal levels for national security and defense, and checking and balance powers that are only granted to government by consent of the governed.
How can we establish Equal Justice Under Law when people are organized into diverse tribes, parties and nations each with their own beliefs?
That is the challenge that Jesus fulfills as the spirit of RESTORATIVE JUSTICE that makes us all EQUAL UNDER LAW. What party would Jesus use to lead this movement?
Or would he call for a mix of the top 4 parties and unite teams of leaders from all the branches and denominations to lead their tribes in a collaborative, unified plan for the nation and the world?
What PARTY do you think Jesus would claim or affiliate with to fulfill EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER LAW for all people of America and to lead the rest of the world by example? Would he even manifest in America as the leader of this movement toward perfect democratic government by empowering or educating the masses?
Might he come through China or Russia or Africa to lead whole continents to unite on plans to rebuild and reform society to serve all people through charitable free will and no longer rely on force of government?
How do you envision the Second coming of Jesus as EQUAL JUSTICE and PEACE for all people?
Jesus is a Jew.... moron.
Good grief
He taught that Trump is a YUGE adulterer.Jesus clearly taught marriage is between a man and a women.
He taught that Trump is a YUGE adulterer.Jesus clearly taught marriage is between a man and a women.