Would you favor Trump dismissing all Dept. of Education Employees, effectively shutting it down?

[progressive hunter]

what words arent there???computer and cars???thats a ridiculous POV,,unless youre saying they can ban computers and cars,,,which they can if they can get away with it

as for abortions ,,,well there is a part about life liberty and pursuit of happiness, and abortion takes all that away from a person

No, that the 1st doesn't apply to computers and the 4th doesn't apply to cars because those words aren't in the document.

And your second statement is about the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

you would have to twist a lot to come up with that load of crap,,,

I think you need to go back and read it again

Constitution Preamble:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

I was talking about cars and computers

And you didn't admit you were wrong on the source document for your Statement.

You are welcome.

I knew exactly where it came from,,,

 

[martybegan]

Tough sell. Absolutism on the 10th can lead to States being able to fuck around with gun laws and ignore the 2nd.

Except for the 14th Amendment, of course.

Which can also be abused.

Regardless, it negates your claim that the 10th Amendment means the states are free to ignore the 2nd.

They are doing it right now.

For the moment. States can infringe rights faster than the courts can slap their hands for doing so.
Nothing here changes the fact the 14th amendment negates your claim that the 10th Amendment means the states are free to ignore the 2nd.

When our side makes up stuff about the constitution, it allows the other side to do it too.

 

[martybegan]

No, that the 1st doesn't apply to computers and the 4th doesn't apply to cars because those words aren't in the document.

This non-seq was absurd the first time you said it - why did you repeat it?

because your answer didn't rebut it.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I don't understand that just because the Constitution doesn't mention "education" that a D of Ed is unconstitutional.

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If Congress isn't given the power to create (x), then the creation of (x) violates the constitution.
Congress created the DoEd; congress does not have the power to create legislation dealing with education.

 

[progressive hunter]

again not true,,,,
the 2nd is very specific,,,the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed,,,
and it doesnt specify state or fed congress,,,just congress

Congress in the Constitution only means the Federal Congress. State legislatures are not congress.

wheres it say that???

Where does it call State legislatures congress?

where does what call it?? legislator and congress are interchangeable,,,

I think they are simply saying that no laws can be made and since fed law overides state law its a mute point,,,NO LAWS CAN BE MADE

Congress in the Constitution is:

All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

and here is article one talking about Congress and State legislatures separately.

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing [sic] Senators.

because fed law over rides state law its irrelevant,,,

 

[M14 Shooter]

No, that the 1st doesn't apply to computers and the 4th doesn't apply to cars because those words aren't in the document.

This non-seq was absurd the first time you said it - why did you repeat it?

because your answer didn't rebut it.

It did, you just did not understand how.

 

[Hossfly]

There's an old axiom that we military instructors abide by:

"If the student failed to learn, the teacher failed to teach."

However, that's the DOD and not the DOE running the show. I read an article the other day that some teachers want a student to pass a test with a 15% score. That is sad. For example my grandson in Charlotte is completing the 10th grade. In 10 years he has never had less than an A in any subject. This fall, along with a number of rising 11th grade students, will attend the local community college for 2 years in a special program. They will accumulate credit hours for a number of subjects. After the second year they will get a HS diploma and then attend a regular college. The thing I am pleased about is that he will be able to play football with his current HS for 2 years.

But it is sad that while students who engage in sports must maintain at least a B average, many of their fellow students are well below the standards in most subjects but pass anyhow. That is why I would like to see the DOE abolished and let the states do the great job they used to do. And get rid of all the liberal socialist teachers and let them find a job away from education. Then let the teachers teach and the students will learn.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Most of those laws only apply (or should only apply) when you are physically present in the State. So I don't accept that allowing a small Dept of Ed forces all States to comply with the same laws and ruins and destroys the entire nation.

Argumentum ad abusrdum.

First off, it's not arugmentum ad absurdum. You are back to slippery slope and maybe the fallacy of composition.

And, i never said it would destroy the entire nation. I said it would CONTINUE the process of usurping state sovereignty. We have already proved that past conduct (FedGov usurping state sovereignty) is indicative of future conduct. Otherwise, there is no logical reason for denying felons the right to own gun, right?

 

[OldLady]

Would you miss it?

What is the constitutional basis for the DoE?

I'd love to see the feds out of it, but I want some of my tax money back first--because I'll have to pay it at this end instead.

 

[bodecea]

Absolutely and arrest them for terrorism

You certainly believe in arresting people left and right, don't you?

 

[Jitss617]

Absolutely and arrest them for terrorism

You certainly believe in arresting people left and right, don't you?

Absolutely

 

[HenryBHough]

She was a liberal Democrat - in those days.

My sixth grade teacher - who was also principal of the six room elementary school when there was first talk (1952) of a U.S. Department of Education - talked of it with the class. She told us that, in time, it would mean the end of local control of schools. Resources would be diverted from the better schools and shortly there would be no learning. Only indoctrination. She had seen it through the eyes of a pen-pal teacher (people wrote letters in those days) in Germany where one of the first actions of the National Socialist government was to nationalize schools, abolish the teaching of history and then militarizing.

That probably was the most effective lesson she ever taught.

The pen-pal? I asked about her when I revisited that sixth grade classroom in 1966. Miss Shea (she's long dead now) said the correspondence ended abruptly when the lazst of her letters was returned, stamped "Not Known At This Address". Perhaps that German teacher shared Miss Shea's perspective and that just could not be allowed.

 

[GreenAndBlue]

Science screams that abortion is murder of a human being

Educators are suppose to go with science


Instead educators brainwashes the students AGAINST science

All educator leaders must get severe penalties for their crookedness

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Science screams that abortion is murder of a human being

Educators are suppose to go with science


Instead educators brainwashes the students AGAINST science

All educator leaders must get severe penalties for their crookedness

I will not comment one way or the other on your particular point....but...

WOW.

You made at least 6 logical leaps in that post.


Carry on.



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[Claudette]

There is no Department of Education in the Constitution. It never should have been created.

Let the States run education in their own States.

Shut down the unneeded DOE.

Can you list any of the Cabinet positions mentioned in the Constitution?

Its not in the Constitution. It should never have been created. It will be easy to dissolve and should be.

The States should run education in their States. Not the Fed.

You list the cabinet positions. Its what your stupid ass does best. LOL

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Its not in the Constitution. It should never have been created. It will be easy to dissolve and should be.

The reason it should not have been created is because it was not specifically enumerated and granted by the States to the Federal Government. Powers not specifically granted to the FedGov were intended to be reserved by the States.

"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite."
James Madison, Federalist Paper 45

"The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State."
James Madison, Federalist Paper 45

"In the first place it is to be remembered that the general government is not to be charged with the whole power of making and administering laws. Its jurisdiction is limited to certain enumerated objects, which concern all the members of the republic, but which are not to be attained by the separate provisions of any."
James Madison, Federalist Paper 51

See also, the 9th and 10th Amendments.

Creating the DoE is automatically suspect as a FedGov overreach. FedGov is improperly exercising power over states that it was not granted.

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[bripat9643]

Would you miss it?

What is the constitutional basis for the DoE?

After that shutdown the Dept of Energy, Environmental Protection Agency, Dept of Agriculture, HHS, the VA, along with

• AbilityOne Commission
• Access Board
• Administration for Children and Families (ACF)
• Administration for Community Living
• Administration for Native Americans
• Administrative Conference of the United States
• Advisory Council on Historic Preservation
• African Development Foundation
• Agency for Global Media
• Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (AHRQ)
• Agency for International Development (USAID)
• Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry
• Agricultural Marketing Service (AMS)
• Agricultural Research Service
• Agriculture Department (USDA)
• Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau
• Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Bureau (ATF)
• Alhurra TV
• American Battle Monuments Commission
• AmeriCorps
• Amtrak (AMTRAK)
• Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS)
• Antitrust Division
• Appalachian Regional Commission
• Archives, National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
• Arctic Research Commission
• Arms Control and International Security
• Army Corps of Engineers
• Arthritis, Musculoskeletal and Skin Diseases, National Institute of

And that's just the ones starting with 'A'

 

[Oddball]

Would you miss it?

What is the constitutional basis for the DoE?

No.

None.

Shut it down and send the bureaucrats packing.

 

[Oddball]

Would you miss it?

What is the constitutional basis for the DoE?

After that shutdown the Dept of Energy, Environmental Protection Agency, Dept of Agriculture, HHS, the VA, along with

• AbilityOne Commission
• Access Board
• Administration for Children and Families (ACF)
• Administration for Community Living
• Administration for Native Americans
• Administrative Conference of the United States
• Advisory Council on Historic Preservation
• African Development Foundation
• Agency for Global Media
• Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (AHRQ)
• Agency for International Development (USAID)
• Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry
• Agricultural Marketing Service (AMS)
• Agricultural Research Service
• Agriculture Department (USDA)
• Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau
• Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Bureau (ATF)
• Alhurra TV
• American Battle Monuments Commission
• AmeriCorps
• Amtrak (AMTRAK)
• Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS)
• Antitrust Division
• Appalachian Regional Commission
• Archives, National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
• Arctic Research Commission
• Arms Control and International Security
• Army Corps of Engineers
• Arthritis, Musculoskeletal and Skin Diseases, National Institute of

And that's just the ones starting with 'A'

Fuckin'-A, dude!

 

[bripat9643]

Would you miss it?

What is the constitutional basis for the DoE?

After that shutdown the Dept of Energy, Environmental Protection Agency, Dept of Agriculture, HHS, the VA, along with

• AbilityOne Commission
• Access Board
• Administration for Children and Families (ACF)
• Administration for Community Living
• Administration for Native Americans
• Administrative Conference of the United States
• Advisory Council on Historic Preservation
• African Development Foundation
• Agency for Global Media
• Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (AHRQ)
• Agency for International Development (USAID)
• Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry
• Agricultural Marketing Service (AMS)
• Agricultural Research Service
• Agriculture Department (USDA)
• Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau
• Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Bureau (ATF)
• Alhurra TV
• American Battle Monuments Commission
• AmeriCorps
• Amtrak (AMTRAK)
• Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS)
• Antitrust Division
• Appalachian Regional Commission
• Archives, National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
• Arctic Research Commission
• Arms Control and International Security
• Army Corps of Engineers
• Arthritis, Musculoskeletal and Skin Diseases, National Institute of

And that's just the ones starting with 'A'

Fuckin'-A, dude!

It's hard to believe how many absolutely useless agencies there are in the federal government.