wow -- former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens says: Repeal the Second Amendment

[meaner gene]

I will leave to the experts - not the dilettantes who dominate gun threads - on what is a defensive firearm, and what is an offensive one, as well as other issues such as concealed carry.

A defensive arm is one that you can shoot well enough to hit what you're aming out. An offensve arm is one that's so powerful you close your eyes and hit innocent bystanders instead of the bad guy.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Yes, it certainly is "a relic of the 18th century." It's confusing and obsolete. It's actually embarrassing.

But, rather than go through the amendment process, the left just sits around and bitches about it.

Tough shit. Follow procedure or go home....or appoint a crook like John Paul Stevens to the Court and you can "interpret" your way around the Constitution. That's the leftist commie MO.

 

[MisterBeale]

The 'gunners' brought this on us. Extreme intransigence and insensitivity have driven the issue beyond debate.

Bullshit, the debate was over.

The gun control crowd consistently fails to present a compelling prima facie case for gun control based on the FACTS.

They always and forever resort to Appeal to emotion - Wikipedia

 

[Lakhota]

Regarding that pesky “well regulated Militia” in the 2nd amendment, what exactly did it mean?

You organize one in case of war.

Like the national guard?

True. The National Guard is military and already organized - and mobilized when needed.

 

[Lakhota]

Yes, it certainly is "a relic of the 18th century." It's confusing and obsolete. It's actually embarrassing.

Well, shit, we might as well throw out free speech, and free assembly too, those are relics as well.

Hell, let's just throw out freedom, such an antiquated notion. A big socialist government of elites that know what is best for us all would be much preferable.

Anyone that doesn't like it, we'll just call them racist Nazi's, punch them, and send 'em off for re-education.

Try to focus. We're just talking about the 2nd Amendment.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Yes, it certainly is "a relic of the 18th century." It's confusing and obsolete. It's actually embarrassing.

But, rather than go through the amendment process, the left just sits around and bitches about it.

Tough shit. Follow procedure or go home....or appoint a crook like John Paul Stevens to the Court and you can "interpret" your way around the Constitution. That's the leftist commie MO.

He's a crook!?? Really, what did he do?

IMO anyone who uses the term crook without evidence is a liar, and anyone who uses the phrase "leftist commie" to describe someone who simply holds an opinion which they do not agree with is ignorant and a jerk.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The 'gunners' brought this on us. Extreme intransigence and insensitivity have driven the issue beyond debate.

Bullshit, the debate was over.

The gun control crowd consistently fails to present a compelling prima facie case for gun control based on the FACTS.

They always and forever resort to Appeal to emotion - Wikipedia

You lack empathy! To claim there are no facts is belied by the number of funerals.

Sociopaths lack empathy, sadly there is no cure for that malady.

 

[whitehall]

Amending the Constitution is a "simple process"? I doubt if anyone has ever seen a former Justice of the S.C. openly criticize a majority opinion of the Supreme Court and criticize the Chief Justice. Thank God the 97 year old relic is retired. Too bad we can't wake up Justice Ginzburg long enough to retire.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Regarding that pesky “well regulated Militia” in the 2nd amendment, what exactly did it mean?

You organize one in case of war.

Like the national guard?

True. The National Guard is military and already organized - and mobilized when needed.

Stormy kicked ass, Betty was totally defensive and clearly provided more evidence that Trump fills his cabinet with incompetents (likely he does not want anyone competent to show him up).

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

He's a crook!?? Really, what did he do?

IMO anyone who uses the term crook without evidence is a liar, and anyone who uses the phrase "leftist commie" to describe someone who simply holds an opinion which they do not agree with is ignorant and a jerk.

He designed his opinions in accordance with the outcome he wanted, rather than being doing what a justice is require to do--let the law and facts guide the conclusions and holdings.

Stevens helped circumvent the amendment process of the constitution in multiple holdings. He was completely dishonest.

I call dishonest people crooks. Maybe there is a better word I could use.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

You lack empathy! To claim there are no facts is belied by the number of funerals.

Obviously you are not worried about body count. You only focus on the minuscule gun violence that fits your narrative and ignore the inconvenient facts.

 

[MisterBeale]

Yes, it certainly is "a relic of the 18th century." It's confusing and obsolete. It's actually embarrassing.

Well, shit, we might as well throw out free speech, and free assembly too, those are relics as well.

Hell, let's just throw out freedom, such an antiquated notion. A big socialist government of elites that know what is best for us all would be much preferable.

Anyone that doesn't like it, we'll just call them racist Nazi's, punch them, and send 'em off for re-education.

Try to focus. We're just talking about the 2nd Amendment.

W/O the second Amendment guaranteeing the rights of the citizens, the others just become privileges given and taken at the whim of the governing elites.

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[whitehall]

Steven's apparent embarrassment at being in the minority of a decision and possibly his hard feelings toward the Chief Justice (was he forced out?) combined with an incoherent hatred of a lobbying group has caused his 97 year old intellect to seize up like an old Model A (same era) engine.

 

[jc456]

Who on this thread belongs to a "well regulated" militia? That's what the entire 2nd Amendment hinges on. Other than the military - who would regulate a militia? What militia were the founding fathers referring to?

Regarding that pesky “well regulated Militia” in the 2nd amendment, what exactly did it mean?

I do!!!!

 

[jc456]

ya still think they're not comin for your guns?!

Opinion | John Paul Stevens: Repeal the Second Amendment

The Black Robes Darken Their Souls

A Republican president, Gerald Ford, got Stevens on SCROTUS. So much for the campaign slogan about Court appointees.

it's what happens when the constitution law doesn't matter to a SCOTUS anymore.

 

[Crixus]

Remington should switch over to making security blankets. They'd sell like hotcakes to the gun licks.

LOL! And start a Linus Patrol.

Soon the cry would be 'the gubmint is going to take your blankies away'! They'll have a pic of Charleton Heston holding up a blanket "from my cold dead hand, well it won't be cold because I have the blanket, but you know what I meant".

Ya/ we should also not let black people or women talk anymore other then to say “Yessir!”. Let’s just get rid of that pesky 1st amendment and that stupid 14th as well. Last thing we need is foreign people expressing an opinion. Dumb motherfuckers.

 

[Crixus]

ya still think they're not comin for your guns?!

Opinion | John Paul Stevens: Repeal the Second Amendment

The Black Robes Darken Their Souls

A Republican president, Gerald Ford, got Stevens on SCROTUS. So much for the campaign slogan about Court appointees.

it's what happens when the constitution law doesn't matter to a SCOTUS anymore.

Fuck’em. I hope he strokes out and dies in his own piss. He is old as hell. Only a matter of time till the reaper comes to take his ass to hell. Mayhap the good Judge and John McTumor will got to hell together? They die in 3’s you know.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Liberals want to repeal the first and second amendments to the Constitution and eliminate the electoral college.

They really don't want the country to exist at all.

Liberals use the 1st amendment as a crutch. They want to repeal the second because they're more afraid of the big bad guns, then the big bad people.

For the electoral college, it is something whose time has expired. It was like the colt peacemaker, a way of equalizing big and small states.

Liberals are only following what their globalist masters want.
And thats to disarm the population so we cant fight back.

 

[Mr Natural]

Liberals are only following what their globalist masters want.
And thats to disarm the population so we cant fight back.

How long do you think you’ll be able to hold out when the government comes around to take your guns?

 

[mikegriffith1]

Unreal. And this guy sat on the Supreme Court. Scary.