Yes, I'm a Conservative, But SOME Rent Control IS Necesary

Ah, so the original landlord sold the building, and the new one wants to raise rents, which he is economically, ethically and legally justified in doing. It's quite reasonable to assume that the new landlord has a higher mortgage to service.
1. Not ethically justified at all. Highly UNethical.

2. Not reasonable to assume anything, since you don't have the foggiest idea of what the hell you're yammering about. :lol:


Translation: he wants the landlord to subsidize his lifestyle and his having a hissy fit that the landlord won't cede his property rights.
 
I have no personal stake in the matter. I do, however, recognize that the landlord OWNS the property and it is his business to set the rents. If you don't like it, take your business elsewhere.
We already got your take.(about 10 times now) No need to belabor the point...unless TROLLING is your motivation.
 
You sound like a whinger who wants other people to subsidize his lifestyle. You also need some remedial instruction in the difference between Renting and Owning.

You are a renter. Your landlord is the property owner. The fact that he rents to you does not mean he cedes his property rights to you.
If govt is administered properly, than YES, it would mean that the LL DOES cede some property rights. The "rights" to not ROB US of hundreds of $$ per month.

Maybe you LIKE robbery. Are you typing from a prison cell ?


^^^ Totalitarian statist trying to justify government taking of private property ^^^
 
I have no personal stake in the matter. I do, however, recognize that the landlord OWNS the property and it is his business to set the rents. If you don't like it, take your business elsewhere.
We already got your take.(about 10 times now) No need to belabor the point...unless TROLLING is your motivation.

I am here providing a public service to promote the concept of Property Rights. And as a member here, I can post wherever I wish.
 
Totalitarian statist trying to justify government taking of private property ^^^
Greed freak trying to justify landlord taking of residents' private property
(their money)

You can spin it however you wish, but trying to justify Rent Control as a conservative position pins the bogometer. Property Rights are a cornerstone to liberty and the Rule of Law. You want to the government to force the landlord against his will into giving up his property rights. That says a great deal about your (lack of) character.
 
Anyone with an understanding of how businesses function grasps that an artificially high minimum wage is going to hurt young people looking for their first job and older but unskilled workers who simply want a paycheck. What liberals like you can't seem to grasp is that management seldom "takes advantage" of those people working at entry level jobs! In most cases it costs a business to train new employees and absorb the cost of the things that they invariably don't do correctly. Businesses DO hire and train those with few job skills however because they hope to keep that person working for them once they have acquired skills! When they do have those new skills, businesses invariably give them a raise because they don't want that now skilled worker to go help one of their competitors! That's the way it works when government doesn't intercede to screw things up as you are calling for!
in some cases, it's best for govt to leave business alone. In others, there is a need for some degree of govt intervention, to PROTECT consumers. All depends on the particular situations, and its magnitude.

ie, to protect you.

IOWl socialism/fascism is bad unless it benefits me.
 
You can spin it however you wish, but trying to justify Rent Control as a conservative position pins the bogometer. Property Rights are a cornerstone to liberty and the Rule of Law. You want to the government to force the landlord against his will into giving up his property rights. That says a great deal about your (lack of) character.
Spinning it is what YOU'RE doing.
 
Anyone with an understanding of how businesses function grasps that an artificially high minimum wage is going to hurt young people looking for their first job and older but unskilled workers who simply want a paycheck. What liberals like you can't seem to grasp is that management seldom "takes advantage" of those people working at entry level jobs! In most cases it costs a business to train new employees and absorb the cost of the things that they invariably don't do correctly. Businesses DO hire and train those with few job skills however because they hope to keep that person working for them once they have acquired skills! When they do have those new skills, businesses invariably give them a raise because they don't want that now skilled worker to go help one of their competitors! That's the way it works when government doesn't intercede to screw things up as you are calling for!
in some cases, it's best for govt to leave business alone. In others, there is a need for some degree of govt intervention, to PROTECT consumers. All depends on the particular situations, and its magnitude.

Yes, the gov’t should protect consumers from fraud or dangerous profits.

But the govt should not get involved simply to make some things cheaper. If they are too expensive, the consumer should find cheaper products.
 
ie, to protect you.

IOWl socialism/fascism is bad unless it benefits me.
265 apartments in the complex. Most residents have already moved out (at great personal expense-with no help from the new landlord)

Try reading the thread (and OP) before posting.
 
Yes, the gov’t should protect consumers from fraud or dangerous profits.

But the govt should not get involved simply to make some things cheaper. If they are too expensive, the consumer should find cheaper products.
So you would oppose a rent control of ANY amount of rent increase ? How about an increase of $3000/month on a $600/month apartment ? (600% increase)

Is there a line you would draw ? If so, at what point ?
 
I live in an apartment complex, that recently was bought by a new landlord. That landlord has been increasing expired lease rents by as much as 60%. Imagine that your rent is $600/month and suddenly it's damn near $1,000/month.

Whoa! For low income seniors on Social Security and small pensions, this aint gonna fly. Actually, younger people still in the workforce with higher incomes, aren't taking to well to it either. Practically everybody in this complex is moving out. Some people are moving in and paying the higher rents, but not as many as are moving out. I've never seen so many moving vans in my life.

Next May, I will be moving out too, and still haven't figured out where to move to. I have limitations because of a low credit score and income, but I'll find someplace, even if it's not as good as where I am now.

All this is because Florida has no limit of what landlords can raise rents to. The only thing limiting them is new residents' capability to pay, and what they are able to rent apartments for.

But there is another side to this, This isn't oil or minerals mined from the ground. It's not furniture being made and sold. This is about PEOPLE. And it's about people who have been living in this complex for years, and these apartments are their HOMES. One woman who just moved out, had been living here for 25 years. Longtime neighbor-friendships are being obliterated.

If landlords NEED to raise rents, (say 10% or less) for some reason, that's understandable, but to raise them by HUNDREDS of dollars, just for GREED, is not what we ought to be OK with in this country. When hundreds of people are forced out of their homes, this is unacceptable. As is the case with most conservatives, I also favor deregulation of business, but this is one case that is screaming for MORE regulation, to a reasonable degree.


Local governments, especially in San Francisco, are bad about allowing more housing to be built. Then it's the supply and demand. Right now, there is a shortage so the landlords will charge as much as they can get. It sucks. If more housing was available, the price would go down.

San Francisco is the worst when it comes to high rent but they will not allow more to be built.

It's wrong to keep raising rent on people who live there but they know if you move, someone will take the place. Of course, the best way is to buy your own place but looks like Dems have been busy trying to create another housing bubble by having Freddie and Fannie continue the same stupid practices.
 
Rent control is an absolute disaster wherever it is implemented, no matter what the justification or rationalization, i.e. "some rent control."

It is the government creating laws to help the privileged few at the expense of property owners and everyone else.

It's typical statist socialist/fascist failure.

We have property tax control here, and the GOP is trying to end it. Most of our tax increases are due for millages.
What the hell is "property tax control?"

The tax on our property.http://www.pawpaw.net/Portals/38/docs/michiganproptax.pdf

We voted to have the sales tax increased and the cap put on property tax.

You fell for the scam.
 
Anyone with an understanding of how businesses function grasps that an artificially high minimum wage is going to hurt young people looking for their first job and older but unskilled workers who simply want a paycheck. What liberals like you can't seem to grasp is that management seldom "takes advantage" of those people working at entry level jobs! In most cases it costs a business to train new employees and absorb the cost of the things that they invariably don't do correctly. Businesses DO hire and train those with few job skills however because they hope to keep that person working for them once they have acquired skills! When they do have those new skills, businesses invariably give them a raise because they don't want that now skilled worker to go help one of their competitors! That's the way it works when government doesn't intercede to screw things up as you are calling for!
in some cases, it's best for govt to leave business alone. In others, there is a need for some degree of govt intervention, to PROTECT consumers. All depends on the particular situations, and its magnitude.

If you're talking about protection from dangerous products then I couldn't agree more. If you're talking about manipulation of wages...experience tells me that always creates more problems than it solves.
 
Totalitarian statist trying to justify government taking of private property ^^^
Greed freak trying to justify landlord taking of residents' private property
(their money)

You don't have "property rights" to your money, Protectionist! You do have property rights if you have a valid lease. That's something that the landlord has ceded to you in return for your rent. The landlord however has the right to determine what giving you those property rights should cost. If you don't like the bargain? It's time to mosey on down the road to a landlord who's willing to give you a better deal.
 

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