Yet another school shooting

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I'm not defending them. You seem to think it's ok for us to royaly screw with those countries to limit their nuclear capability, but here at home we have laws that let guns get to whatever crazy whack job wants them. Apply your comment to that and it's the same thing. An argument against Iran or NK advancing their nuke program is probably also a good argument for why we need to do better here with guns.

Step 1 is doing anything about the straw purchaser loopholes. Here's a question, what policy has the NRA supported to implementation to curtail straw purchasers? If it's nothing, that's a clear sign that the organization is not on the side of the people or a solution because straw purchasing is one of the big glaring problems with the current circumstance.

Nope, we just need to get back to where if we spot evil here just like we can abroad, then we need to call it what it is, and then we need to deal with it. The left or the radicalization of liberalism has since placed many in danger in this country, and it continues on and on without any push back for fear of being labeled something ridiculous.

A society based on laws and equal justice can not deal with evil because evil is subjective in nature and is a generalization.

As long as one keeps using the words subjective and generalization in order to describe certain traits as if they are unidentifiable under such guidelines, then evil can easily hide itself within these words, and then strike out from behind the shield of these words that it has been given to then hide behind.

Evil is a subjective term, it relates to a persons moral stance on what they deem good and bad. Peoples notions of good and bad are fundamentally different depending on social environment, religion, beliefs and influences. The most horrible atrocities occurred under the guise of ridding society of evil.

Under guidelines and standards that should be chosen, then evil is recognizable and can be regulated in as far as the damage that it can do.

No standards set, and no guidelines set can only allow in chaos, mayhem, confusion, and evilness to slip through the cracks. The problem with tolerating evil people, is that it sends the wrong message as if to say evil isn't bad at all, and in fact we should just tolerate it in the name of political correctness and those two famous words used to justify so much bullcrap today, and they are TOLERANCE & DIVERSITY as is being used by the wrong people today.

It's all been taken just a little bit to far.

Nonsense.

The only evil is the authoritarianism, fear, ignorance, bigotry, intolerance, and racism common to far too many on the right.

 

[Pop23]

Make the job easier by drugging em into submission is the goal

b-b-b-but they sit nice an quiet for the D.A.R.E. officer that way Pops....

~S~

Here’s the strangest part. He and I are on the same side of this fence.

His ideas may, I see no evidence it would, but may lessen the death toll. Mine virtually eliminates it.

His comes after the monster is created, mine eliminates the monster before it’s created.

And his “monsters jumping off the walls”. That’s a symptom of ADHD, not depression. Depressed kids are sullen and stick to themselves

So, admittedly I mis reported the number of teens on these, let’s see if the captain admits his mistake.

Do you know how many kids I encountered in my 21 year career that matched your diagnosis of depression and had to be assigned to a 504 plan? ZERO!

Now, tell me you don't know what a 504 plan is and my day will be complete.

Oh my a teacher has a number!

Watch out folks, the dude has a filled out form!

Do you know how many school shooters were on an SSRI med?

Nearly ALL

You just outed yourself. If you knew anything about how schools are required to treat students with a disability, you would know what 504 plan is.


Still waiting for that link on the SSRI meds. You fucked up the last one so bad it wasn't funny!

All you seem to do is spew hyperbole. Where are your FACTS?

You got the link dunce.

And if you ask about a single fucking form, and it rules your entire knowledge base, it is you, and a profit motive that’s being outed.

What a dumblefuck.

 

[DrLove]

Raising the age limit to buy a gun would not have stopped the kid in TX because he took his father's guns and he was able to waltz into the building with a shotgun

Well there you have it - ANOTHER tried and true NRA tactic ^ Well, THAT law wouldn't have stopped THIS particular guy.

FAIL - Nobody claims that ALL shootings can be stopped with some rational reforms.

it wouldnt stop most of them

raising the age to 21 would not have stopped the Vegas shooter

See ^ There it is again!

The problem is that you are positing a 'solution' to those exact problems and the solution does nothing at all to address those problems.

The legislation that is proposed over and over again after one of these terrible events does nothing to address them. It does not fail to stop just one incident that is cited - it will not stop any of them.

See ^ There it is AGAIN!

Sorry, but there are several of them that could have been stopped with some of the proposed legislation.

And then you go on to suggest that "it will not stop any of them" ..

Please. But congratulations, your leap of logic just won a gold medal.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Raising the age limit to buy a gun would not have stopped the kid in TX because he took his father's guns and he was able to waltz into the building with a shotgun

Well there you have it - ANOTHER tried and true NRA tactic ^ Well, THAT law wouldn't have stopped THIS particular guy.

FAIL - Nobody claims that ALL shootings can be stopped with some rational reforms.

it wouldnt stop most of them

raising the age to 21 would not have stopped the Vegas shooter

See ^ There it is again!

The problem is that you are positing a 'solution' to those exact problems and the solution does nothing at all to address those problems.

The legislation that is proposed over and over again after one of these terrible events does nothing to address them. It does not fail to stop just one incident that is cited - it will not stop any of them.

See ^ There it is AGAIN!

Sorry, but there are several of them that could have been stopped with some of the proposed legislation.

And then you go on to suggest that "it will not stop any of them" ..

Please. But congratulations, your leap of logic just won a gold medal.

You're such a fucking moron

You said yourself all the gun laws and bans you want won't stop all school shootings but you know what will?

Don't let people with guns into the school

 

[DrLove]

You're such a fucking moron

You said yourself all the gun laws and bans you want won't stop all school shootings but you know what will?

Don't let people with guns into the school

I've never talked about a gun ban. That makes you the fucking moron.

You may also have missed the memo that not all mass killings happen on school grounds.

 

[Skull Pilot]

You're such a fucking moron

You said yourself all the gun laws and bans you want won't stop all school shootings but you know what will?

Don't let people with guns into the school

I've never talked about a gun ban. That makes you the fucking moron.

You may also have missed the memo that not all mass killings happen on school grounds.

You don't want to ban so called assault rifles?

And FYI this thread is about school shootings

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You ever work with metal detectors? They are somewhere below worse than useless because of all the false alarms.

More excuses... So we do nothing ??

Guns are non-negotiable, so you best figure out something else before more kids die at the hands of evil.

Put guns in the schools and you eliminate the soft target. No one holds up gun stores, police stations, or anywhere they know they will meet opposition.

The allure of a target rich environment with no chance of anyone else shooting back will be history!

Points of entry and metal detectors are best. A secure system can be created at these schools. Gun's could play a roll, but maybe not as heavy a role that you might imagine.

You cannot control points of entry to a school any more than you can have two gates for an NFL stadium! It's stupid and every one of you nimrods need to catch a clue!

Ever notice that there are no metal detectors in large venues anymore? Because they are pieces of shit!

I went into the VA office one day and it took them at least three minutes to determine I was NOT carry a gun because:

1) the buttons on my jacket were metal, so each sleeve and the front alarmed.
2) my belt buckle was metal, so it alarmed.
3) the fly in my pants alarmed
4) both of my shoes alarmed from the metal in them
5) my tie tack alarmed and it was smaller than a penny!

It was a good thing that there wasn't a line of people behind me!

Now, repeat that about 3000 times for kids carrying backpacks with metal zippers, metal in pens and pencils, spiral notebooks, metal baseball bats for practice, etc.

Heck, our archery teams carry their bows and arrows to class with them each day, and they are locked up during the day!

Listen you nimrod, the metal detectors are the start, and of course the attire that sets the thing off will have to change, and a dress code would be in order. Then just like airlines you will find out as students what you can bring and what you can't bring in. Everything else is supplied beyond the check point by the school to the students if need be.

It will work, and it should work... Stop with the idiotic excuses already. It's not like they will be getting surprised at the check points having the same students and staff attending all year. Good grief.

Have you ever been in a school where metal detectors are used?

Red Lake MN had a metal detector for their school. When the gunman thought he might get caught, he shot and killed the unarmed security guard operating the metal detector. How well did that help?

 

[DrLove]

You're such a fucking moron

You said yourself all the gun laws and bans you want won't stop all school shootings but you know what will?

Don't let people with guns into the school

I've never talked about a gun ban. That makes you the fucking moron.

You may also have missed the memo that not all mass killings happen on school grounds.

You don't want to ban so called assault rifles?

And FYI this thread is about school shootings

No - 21 minimum age - 3 day waiting period.

I am quite on topic.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

b-b-b-but they sit nice an quiet for the D.A.R.E. officer that way Pops....

~S~

Here’s the strangest part. He and I are on the same side of this fence.

His ideas may, I see no evidence it would, but may lessen the death toll. Mine virtually eliminates it.

His comes after the monster is created, mine eliminates the monster before it’s created.

And his “monsters jumping off the walls”. That’s a symptom of ADHD, not depression. Depressed kids are sullen and stick to themselves

So, admittedly I mis reported the number of teens on these, let’s see if the captain admits his mistake.

Do you know how many kids I encountered in my 21 year career that matched your diagnosis of depression and had to be assigned to a 504 plan? ZERO!

Now, tell me you don't know what a 504 plan is and my day will be complete.

Oh my a teacher has a number!

Watch out folks, the dude has a filled out form!

Do you know how many school shooters were on an SSRI med?

Nearly ALL

You just outed yourself. If you knew anything about how schools are required to treat students with a disability, you would know what 504 plan is.


Still waiting for that link on the SSRI meds. You fucked up the last one so bad it wasn't funny!

All you seem to do is spew hyperbole. Where are your FACTS?

You got the link dunce.

And if you ask about a single fucking form, and it rules your entire knowledge base, it is you, and a profit motive that’s being outed.

What a dumblefuck.

Listen up you simpleton, a 504 plan is not a form! Why are you such an idiot that you go into a battle of wits unarmed?

 

[Pop23]

Here’s the strangest part. He and I are on the same side of this fence.

His ideas may, I see no evidence it would, but may lessen the death toll. Mine virtually eliminates it.

His comes after the monster is created, mine eliminates the monster before it’s created.

And his “monsters jumping off the walls”. That’s a symptom of ADHD, not depression. Depressed kids are sullen and stick to themselves

So, admittedly I mis reported the number of teens on these, let’s see if the captain admits his mistake.

Do you know how many kids I encountered in my 21 year career that matched your diagnosis of depression and had to be assigned to a 504 plan? ZERO!

Now, tell me you don't know what a 504 plan is and my day will be complete.

Oh my a teacher has a number!

Watch out folks, the dude has a filled out form!

Do you know how many school shooters were on an SSRI med?

Nearly ALL

You just outed yourself. If you knew anything about how schools are required to treat students with a disability, you would know what 504 plan is.


Still waiting for that link on the SSRI meds. You fucked up the last one so bad it wasn't funny!

All you seem to do is spew hyperbole. Where are your FACTS?

You got the link dunce.

And if you ask about a single fucking form, and it rules your entire knowledge base, it is you, and a profit motive that’s being outed.

What a dumblefuck.

Listen up you simpleton, a 504 plan is not a form! Why are you such an idiot that you go into a battle of wits unarmed?

Fuck off. Results are what I seek. Ending the creation of Monsters that shoot up schools is far more important then some damn “plan”.

Do you even listen to the stupidity you spout?

Yes, harden the damn target as damn much as you want ( and make a buck while doing so). KILLERS DON’T MUCH CARE, THEY JUST ATTACK A DIFFERENT LOCATION!

Good God Chief, use the brain god gave ya!

 

[Pop23]

You're such a fucking moron

You said yourself all the gun laws and bans you want won't stop all school shootings but you know what will?

Don't let people with guns into the school

I've never talked about a gun ban. That makes you the fucking moron.

You may also have missed the memo that not all mass killings happen on school grounds.

You don't want to ban so called assault rifles?

And FYI this thread is about school shootings

No - 21 minimum age - 3 day waiting period.

I am quite on topic.

Achieves what? Criminals simply do not care.

Achieves what? Answer. Nothing.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Do you know how many kids I encountered in my 21 year career that matched your diagnosis of depression and had to be assigned to a 504 plan? ZERO!

Now, tell me you don't know what a 504 plan is and my day will be complete.

Oh my a teacher has a number!

Watch out folks, the dude has a filled out form!

Do you know how many school shooters were on an SSRI med?

Nearly ALL

You just outed yourself. If you knew anything about how schools are required to treat students with a disability, you would know what 504 plan is.


Still waiting for that link on the SSRI meds. You fucked up the last one so bad it wasn't funny!

All you seem to do is spew hyperbole. Where are your FACTS?

You got the link dunce.

And if you ask about a single fucking form, and it rules your entire knowledge base, it is you, and a profit motive that’s being outed.

What a dumblefuck.

Listen up you simpleton, a 504 plan is not a form! Why are you such an idiot that you go into a battle of wits unarmed?

Fuck off. Results are what I seek. Ending the creation of Monsters that shoot up schools is far more important then some damn “plan”.

Do you even listen to the stupidity you spout?

Yes, harden the damn target as damn much as you want ( and make a buck while doing so). KILLERS DON’T MUCH CARE, THEY JUST ATTACK A DIFFERENT LOCATION!

Good God Chief, use the brain god gave ya!

You come off as some kind of "expert" on this topic, yet you can't find links to back up your claims. When you do find a link it doesn't agree with you. Plus, your base knowledge is kindergarten level when it comes to education.

Why don't you start using YOUR brain?

 

[DrLove]

Achieves what? Criminals simply do not care.

Achieves what? Answer. Nothing.

Might have slowed down Nik Cruz who bought an AR-style rifle 4 days after his 18th birthday.

Nikolas Cruz was investigated after cutting himself on Snapchat, state report shows

 

[grainbely]

I'm not defending them. You seem to think it's ok for us to royaly screw with those countries to limit their nuclear capability, but here at home we have laws that let guns get to whatever crazy whack job wants them. Apply your comment to that and it's the same thing. An argument against Iran or NK advancing their nuke program is probably also a good argument for why we need to do better here with guns.

Step 1 is doing anything about the straw purchaser loopholes. Here's a question, what policy has the NRA supported to implementation to curtail straw purchasers? If it's nothing, that's a clear sign that the organization is not on the side of the people or a solution because straw purchasing is one of the big glaring problems with the current circumstance.

Nope, we just need to get back to where if we spot evil here just like we can abroad, then we need to call it what it is, and then we need to deal with it. The left or the radicalization of liberalism has since placed many in danger in this country, and it continues on and on without any push back for fear of being labeled something ridiculous.

Wrong! - The Repubtards allow crazies to be armed!

Ok moron. Get your facts straight.


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He's right. Illegal sales that are protected by the NRA make up half of the illegal guns used in crimes. The NRA protects the fast and loose retail and resale markets that ensure a heavy flow straw purchased and/or trafficked guns get into the hands of people who are not supposed to have them. The criminals and crazies. It's why city wide gun bans are not effective. Chicago for instance is not far from two states with some of the loosest gun laws. I have not doubt that theres some shit eating Republicans from those states illegally selling guns that are run into chicago. They aren't outed though because regional authorities don't share or collect the necessary information to trace the guns back to the source and points of failure and in general the regulatory framework isn't there to address it. The NRA has done extensive work to ruin the laws and enforcement, so really everytime someone crows "gun bans don't work" they are telling half the story of the nefarious actions of the NRA.

Criminals don’t buy guns they steal them. Always have and always will. You can buy guns on the street. I would know as a retired police officer.


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Thats not really a counter point. Stolen guns would make up probably the rest of them.

 

[grainbely]

Nope, we just need to get back to where if we spot evil here just like we can abroad, then we need to call it what it is, and then we need to deal with it. The left or the radicalization of liberalism has since placed many in danger in this country, and it continues on and on without any push back for fear of being labeled something ridiculous.

Wrong! - The Repubtards allow crazies to be armed!

Ok moron. Get your facts straight.


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He's right. Illegal sales that are protected by the NRA make up half of the illegal guns used in crimes. The NRA protects the fast and loose retail and resale markets that ensure a heavy flow straw purchased and/or trafficked guns get into the hands of people who are not supposed to have them. The criminals and crazies. It's why city wide gun bans are not effective. Chicago for instance is not far from two states with some of the loosest gun laws. I have not doubt that theres some shit eating Republicans from those states illegally selling guns that are run into chicago. They aren't outed though because regional authorities don't share or collect the necessary information to trace the guns back to the source and points of failure and in general the regulatory framework isn't there to address it. The NRA has done extensive work to ruin the laws and enforcement, so really everytime someone crows "gun bans don't work" they are telling half the story of the nefarious actions of the NRA.

Criminals don’t buy guns they steal them. Always have and always will. You can buy guns on the street. I would know as a retired police officer.


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Yep, and what he refuses to acknowledge is who exactly is it that is taking these weapons (that are obtained in anyway they can get them), and then next are going crazy with them in these ways ?? IT'S easy to blame an object while hiding the real threat (in which is a demented human being turned animal ), and protecting it from the scrutiny he or she should have gotten prior to these tragic events.. Afterwards they (these shooters) should be delt a heavy blow by the system if need be in life accordingly. I am in strong favor for the death penalty in regards to these henious crimes being committed.

What do you sadly and mistakenly think I personally am refusing? Go sit on your hands for a day. You're cut off.

Gun violence can be attacked from multiple sides and my take is that it should be. Research the situation which may be unique for a region, apply pressure, measure the outcome, rinse and repeat. This would include mental health, general crime and motivations for it, gang and drug activity, turrorist activity(eeeek!), policing, criminal justice, education, and easy guns. It's a lot but if we are saying it's this big ofba problem then we should fully understand it and fund the right buttons to push for effective and efficient outcomes.

On guns, we aren't going to let you guys continue rewriting 2a to mean anything and everything. Gun control is part of the solution, no doubt. Your rights are not being infringed by improving a background check or improving or better enforcing anti straw purchase or traffic laws (these are mostly already illegal but poorly identified and enforced). More specifically, locking down the trafficking and straw purchasing is key. If the NRA continues protecting these illegal activities they need to be outed for it and corrected.

 

[hunarcy]

b-b-b-but they sit nice an quiet for the D.A.R.E. officer that way Pops....

~S~

Here’s the strangest part. He and I are on the same side of this fence.

His ideas may, I see no evidence it would, but may lessen the death toll. Mine virtually eliminates it.

His comes after the monster is created, mine eliminates the monster before it’s created.

And his “monsters jumping off the walls”. That’s a symptom of ADHD, not depression. Depressed kids are sullen and stick to themselves

So, admittedly I mis reported the number of teens on these, let’s see if the captain admits his mistake.

Do you know how many kids I encountered in my 21 year career that matched your diagnosis of depression and had to be assigned to a 504 plan? ZERO!

Now, tell me you don't know what a 504 plan is and my day will be complete.

Oh my a teacher has a number!

Watch out folks, the dude has a filled out form!

Do you know how many school shooters were on an SSRI med?

Nearly ALL

You just outed yourself. If you knew anything about how schools are required to treat students with a disability, you would know what 504 plan is.


Still waiting for that link on the SSRI meds. You fucked up the last one so bad it wasn't funny!

All you seem to do is spew hyperbole. Where are your FACTS?

You got the link dunce.

And if you ask about a single fucking form, and it rules your entire knowledge base, it is you, and a profit motive that’s being outed.

What a dumblefuck.

Sorry, but he's right. Under Section 504 of the Americans with Disabilities act, any student who is identified with having a "life condition" which affects that student's performance in school requires a meeting between parents, teachers and administrators to come up with a plan to ensure the student's performance is not adversely affected by their condition. This plan is then distributed to each teacher that the child come into contact with. It's much more than a "form"

 

[skookerasbil]

Has anybody else noticed?

24 hours after the SantaFe shooting, where did the media coverage go? GONE. Like it never even happened.

No surprise however if you have even half a brain. It didn't fit the far-left narrative.... because a shotgun was used and explosives and other weapons were found....

Wasn't an "assault" weapon!!



@www.howgheyisthat?.com

 

[skookerasbil]

Lol.....oh....and where the fuck is Hogg?

 

[Pop23]

Oh my a teacher has a number!

Watch out folks, the dude has a filled out form!

Do you know how many school shooters were on an SSRI med?

Nearly ALL

You just outed yourself. If you knew anything about how schools are required to treat students with a disability, you would know what 504 plan is.


Still waiting for that link on the SSRI meds. You fucked up the last one so bad it wasn't funny!

All you seem to do is spew hyperbole. Where are your FACTS?

You got the link dunce.

And if you ask about a single fucking form, and it rules your entire knowledge base, it is you, and a profit motive that’s being outed.

What a dumblefuck.

Listen up you simpleton, a 504 plan is not a form! Why are you such an idiot that you go into a battle of wits unarmed?

Fuck off. Results are what I seek. Ending the creation of Monsters that shoot up schools is far more important then some damn “plan”.

Do you even listen to the stupidity you spout?

Yes, harden the damn target as damn much as you want ( and make a buck while doing so). KILLERS DON’T MUCH CARE, THEY JUST ATTACK A DIFFERENT LOCATION!

Good God Chief, use the brain god gave ya!

You come off as some kind of "expert" on this topic, yet you can't find links to back up your claims. When you do find a link it doesn't agree with you. Plus, your base knowledge is kindergarten level when it comes to education.

Why don't you start using YOUR brain?

You amuse my captain.

Care to explain what a 504 plan, under the ADA has In keeping SSRI class antidepressants out of the hands of teens that those drugs turn into murdurous Monsters.

Let the pretzel twisting begin!

 

[Pop23]

Here’s the strangest part. He and I are on the same side of this fence.

His ideas may, I see no evidence it would, but may lessen the death toll. Mine virtually eliminates it.

His comes after the monster is created, mine eliminates the monster before it’s created.

And his “monsters jumping off the walls”. That’s a symptom of ADHD, not depression. Depressed kids are sullen and stick to themselves

So, admittedly I mis reported the number of teens on these, let’s see if the captain admits his mistake.

Do you know how many kids I encountered in my 21 year career that matched your diagnosis of depression and had to be assigned to a 504 plan? ZERO!

Now, tell me you don't know what a 504 plan is and my day will be complete.

Oh my a teacher has a number!

Watch out folks, the dude has a filled out form!

Do you know how many school shooters were on an SSRI med?

Nearly ALL

You just outed yourself. If you knew anything about how schools are required to treat students with a disability, you would know what 504 plan is.


Still waiting for that link on the SSRI meds. You fucked up the last one so bad it wasn't funny!

All you seem to do is spew hyperbole. Where are your FACTS?

You got the link dunce.

And if you ask about a single fucking form, and it rules your entire knowledge base, it is you, and a profit motive that’s being outed.

What a dumblefuck.

Sorry, but he's right. Under Section 504 of the Americans with Disabilities act, any student who is identified with having a "life condition" which affects that student's performance in school requires a meeting between parents, teachers and administrators to come up with a plan to ensure the student's performance is not adversely affected by their condition. This plan is then distributed to each teacher that the child come into contact with. It's much more than a "form"

So? It does not explain why we should be feeding our youth a drug that is linked to a mass killings

The entire notion that “a plan” supersedes the safety of our students is absurd