You Are No Longer Welcome

[Jarhead]

States should be required to declare whether right or left and opposing views be barred. New York should be able to tell republicans to leave and Oklahoma should be able to pass laws banning same sex marriage.

Whereas I do not oppose gay marriage for I am a conservative and truly believe what others do with their lives is none of my business, your point is excellent.

If we are a country where it is acceptable for a politician to believe that the minority MUST believe as the majority does, then all minority sentiments should be eliminated.

 

[peach174]

You want to defend Carl Paladino, go ahead.

I'll defend him yes. At least he thinks everyone belongs in the State of New York. Funny you're from New York aren't you? Why don't you try telling some random Republican New Yorker that they have no place, to their face. I dare you.

You people really know how to throw a fainting spell when you get a taste of your own medicine.

There is a big difference between political ideology differences that is within our Constitution and one like socialist democracy that Europe has.
This is why they tell people that wants that type of Government to move there.
Social Democracy does not work with our Republic system of Government, so we tell you that wants that type of government to move to Europe.
What Cuomo did was tell people that are for the Constitution that they are not welcome in the State of New York.

That is not a taste of our own medicine.

 

[Jughead]

"Who are they? Are they these extreme conservatives who are right-to-life, pro-assault-weapon, anti-gay? Is that who they are? Because if that’s who they are and they’re the extreme conservatives, they have no place in the state of New York, because that’s not who New Yorkers are."

Wonder what would happen if governor Perry in Texas (a Republican) was to hypothetically say: "Who are they? Are they these extreme liberals who are pro-choice, pro-gun-control, pro-gay-marriage? Is that who they are? Because if that’s who they are and they’re the extreme liberals, they have no place in the state of Texas, because that’s not who Texans are"

I guarantee that all media (except for Fox News) would descend onto that state with such a fury that they would literally start raising hell.

There's a difference between standing against bigotry and standing up for it.

Absolutely. We've seen a clear example of standing up for it with Governor Cuomo's recent outburst.

 

[williepete]

NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE National Review Online

January 22, 2014 12:00 AM

Cuomo the Intolerant
The New York governor’s recent remarks show just how close-minded liberals can be.
By Jonah Goldberg

On paper, “liberal intolerance” is something of an oxymoron, like “jumbo shrimp,” “loyal opposition,” or “conspicuous absence.” But what makes oxymorons funny is that they are real things. There are jumbo shrimp. Absences can be conspicuous, opponents can be loyal, and liberals can be staggeringly and myopically intolerant.

Last Friday, in a public-radio interview, New York governor Andrew Cuomo offered the sort of potted analysis of the national Republican party one would expect from an MSNBC talk show. But he went a bit further. After nodding to the fact that, historically, the New York state Republican party has been the most ideologically gelded of the breed (it is the birthplace of Rockefeller Republicanism, after all), Cuomo proclaimed that “extreme conservatives” have “no place in the state of New York.”

Who are extreme conservatives? People who are “right-to-life, pro–assault weapon, anti-gay.”

It’s an interesting — and repugnant — tautology: Extremists hold extreme views, and we can identify extreme views by the fact they are held by extremists.

Of course, Cuomo frames the matter to his benefit. Opposing same-sex marriage — the mainstream Democratic position not long ago — is now anti-gay. Being in favor of gun rights is pro–assault weapon (whatever that means).

Most vexing and revealing, however, is that Cuomo doesn’t even bother to wrap opposition to abortion in scary adjectives. Simply believing in a right to life is extremist, and such extremists have “no place in the state of New York.” Cuomo claims that he was being taken out of context. He was talking about “extreme” Republican politicians, not average citizens. Fair enough.

Still, given that Cuomo is the scion of one of the most famously Catholic families in America, it’s a pretty remarkable statement.

Imagine how much smoke would emanate from the liberal outrage machine if, say, Texas governor Rick Perry said that “extremist” Democrats who support gun control or gay marriage or abortion rights “have no place in the great state of Texas.”

As my National Review colleague Kathryn Lopez notes, this is an extraordinary evolution from the time when Mario Cuomo occupied the governor’s mansion. The elder Cuomo pioneered the notion that politicians could be personally pro-life while in all other ways pro-choice. In his famous (infamous to some) 1984 speech at the University of Notre Dame, he advised the Roman Catholic Church to be “realistic” on abortion in the same way the church had been in the 19th century on the issue of slavery.

“It is a mark of contemporary liberalism’s commitment to abortion,” Ramesh Ponnuru wrote in his book, The Party of Death, “that one of its leading lights should have been willing to support temporizing on slavery in order to defend it.”

As many pro-lifers suspected, being “personally opposed” to abortion but supportive of it in every legal and political way was always something of a rhetorical safe harbor rather than a serious intellectual position. In the time span of one generation, as the political climate became more supportive of abortion — as it has in New York, thanks in part to the diligent work of the “personally” pro-life Cuomos — the once-safe harbor of personal opposition to abortion is closed, at least rhetorically.

Of course, liberal intolerance isn’t rhetorical or limited to hot-button issues; it is woven into mainstream liberal policymaking. The Supreme Court is now pondering whether nuns — celibate, elderly nuns — have the right to opt out of Obamacare’s birth-control requirements.

New York City recently banned the use of e-cigarettes indoors as yet another “anti-tobacco” measure (in the words of Reuters), even though “vaping” involves no smoke, no tobacco, and is often an invaluable tool for quitting real cigarettes. The real driver of the ban is the smug intolerance of a New York City Council that sees no reason to accommodate people who want to live in ways it disapproves of.

And it’s not just policymaking either. Liberalism has a culture all its own. From cities like New York; Madison, Wis.; and San Francisco to countless college campuses in between, that culture can produce people as judgmental as the old church lady character from Saturday Night Live. They’ll be judgmental about different things, to be sure, but every bit as intolerant.

Tolerating opposing views and lifestyles is an abstract liberal value when politics demand it (which is why Cuomo will have a very hard time if he wants to run for president of a nation that doesn’t see eye to eye with him). But given a free hand, liberal intolerance all too often ceases to be an abstract oxymoron and becomes a lived reality.

— Jonah Goldberg is the author of The Tyranny of Clichés, now on sale in paperback. You can write to him by e-mail at [email protected], or via Twitter [MENTION=37006]Jonah[/MENTION]NRO. © 2014 Tribune Media Services, Inc.

 

[KNB]

Picking fruit huh?? Such a lame argument seeing as only 2% of illegals work in the fields

-Geaux

You're right, except that you're wrong.
The National Agricultural Workers Survey, Employment & Training Administration (ETA) - U.S. Department of Labor

Can you find a few hundred thousand Republican rednecks who will bend over in the hot sun and pick strawberries for $3/hr? No, you can't. And if that point is too "lame" then the quote on the Statue of Liberty should be enough. Or Reagan's quote about tearing down walls instead of building new ones.

And if that isn't enough, here's another fact that Americans forget: white people originally came to this continent "illegally", too.

 

[rightwinger]

Context.....context my boys

What Cuomo said:

"I think what you're seeing is, you have a schism within the Republican Party. The Republican Party is searching for an identity. They're searching to define their soul. That's what's going on. Is the Republican Party in this state a moderate party or is it an extreme conservative party? That's what they're trying to figure out. And it's very interesting because it's a mirror of what is going on in Washington, right?
"The gridlock in Washington is less about Democrats and Republicans. It's more about extreme Republicans versus moderate Republicans. And the moderate Republicans in Washington can't figure out how to deal with the extreme Republicans. And the moderate Republicans are afraid of the extreme conservative Republicans in Washington, in my opinion.

"You're seeing that play out in New York. There's SAFE-ACT. The Republican Party candidates are running against the SAFE-ACT. It was voted for by moderate Republicans who run the Senate. Their problem is not me and the Democrats, their problem is themselves. Who are they? Are they these extreme conservatives who are "right to life," "pro assault weapon" "anti-gay"? Is that who they are? Because if that's who they are, and if they are the extreme conservatives, they have no place in the state of New York because that's not who New Yorkers are. If they're moderate Republicans, like in the Senate right now, who control the Senate -- moderate Republicans have a place in this state."

 

[TemplarKormac]

Context.....context my boys

What Cuomo said:

"I think what you're seeing is, you have a schism within the Republican Party. The Republican Party is searching for an identity. They're searching to define their soul. That's what's going on. Is the Republican Party in this state a moderate party or is it an extreme conservative party? That's what they're trying to figure out. And it's very interesting because it's a mirror of what is going on in Washington, right?
"The gridlock in Washington is less about Democrats and Republicans. It's more about extreme Republicans versus moderate Republicans. And the moderate Republicans in Washington can't figure out how to deal with the extreme Republicans. And the moderate Republicans are afraid of the extreme conservative Republicans in Washington, in my opinion.

"You're seeing that play out in New York. There's SAFE-ACT. The Republican Party candidates are running against the SAFE-ACT. It was voted for by moderate Republicans who run the Senate. Their problem is not me and the Democrats, their problem is themselves. Who are they? Are they these extreme conservatives who are "right to life," "pro assault weapon" "anti-gay"? Is that who they are? Because if that's who they are, and if they are the extreme conservatives, they have no place in the state of New York because that's not who New Yorkers are. If they're moderate Republicans, like in the Senate right now, who control the Senate -- moderate Republicans have a place in this state."

Context. In spades.

 

[KNB]

Well, are you an extremely psychotic conservative party of dysfunctional retards who vote for simpletons, or are you a rational, thinking, moderate party that can listen to Sarah Palin for less than 30 seconds and know that she is completely unfit to be anywhere in the military's chain of command?

 

[rightwinger]

Context.....context my boys

What Cuomo said:

"I think what you're seeing is, you have a schism within the Republican Party. The Republican Party is searching for an identity. They're searching to define their soul. That's what's going on. Is the Republican Party in this state a moderate party or is it an extreme conservative party? That's what they're trying to figure out. And it's very interesting because it's a mirror of what is going on in Washington, right?
"The gridlock in Washington is less about Democrats and Republicans. It's more about extreme Republicans versus moderate Republicans. And the moderate Republicans in Washington can't figure out how to deal with the extreme Republicans. And the moderate Republicans are afraid of the extreme conservative Republicans in Washington, in my opinion.

"You're seeing that play out in New York. There's SAFE-ACT. The Republican Party candidates are running against the SAFE-ACT. It was voted for by moderate Republicans who run the Senate. Their problem is not me and the Democrats, their problem is themselves. Who are they? Are they these extreme conservatives who are "right to life," "pro assault weapon" "anti-gay"? Is that who they are? Because if that's who they are, and if they are the extreme conservatives, they have no place in the state of New York because that's not who New Yorkers are. If they're moderate Republicans, like in the Senate right now, who control the Senate -- moderate Republicans have a place in this state."

Context. In spades.

Guess what?

In New York State the Republican Party is a moderate party. New Yorkers favor abortion rights, they favor reasonable gun controls, they favor gay rights. If Republicans want to win in NY they had better run as moderates

Context makes things easier doesn't it TK?

 

[whitehall]

Context.....context my boys

What Cuomo said:

"I think what you're seeing is, you have a schism within the Republican Party. The Republican Party is searching for an identity. They're searching to define their soul. That's what's going on. Is the Republican Party in this state a moderate party or is it an extreme conservative party? That's what they're trying to figure out. And it's very interesting because it's a mirror of what is going on in Washington, right?
"The gridlock in Washington is less about Democrats and Republicans. It's more about extreme Republicans versus moderate Republicans. And the moderate Republicans in Washington can't figure out how to deal with the extreme Republicans. And the moderate Republicans are afraid of the extreme conservative Republicans in Washington, in my opinion.

"You're seeing that play out in New York. There's SAFE-ACT. The Republican Party candidates are running against the SAFE-ACT. It was voted for by moderate Republicans who run the Senate. Their problem is not me and the Democrats, their problem is themselves. Who are they? Are they these extreme conservatives who are "right to life," "pro assault weapon" "anti-gay"? Is that who they are? Because if that's who they are, and if they are the extreme conservatives, they have no place in the state of New York because that's not who New Yorkers are. If they're moderate Republicans, like in the Senate right now, who control the Senate -- moderate Republicans have a place in this state."

He used the words "not welcome". Cuomo reminded me of the segregationist democrats who told Blacks they were not welcome in public places back in the 60's while republicans were voting for civil rights. The attitude is typical of the close minded democrat party which simply does not tolerate viewpoints they disagree with.

 

[rightwinger]

What is it with Republicans and reading comprehension?

Why do they consistently get the meaning of words wrong? Is it FoxNews? Rush? Inbreeding?

Why can't they read a paragraph and understand the meaning of a sentence within that paragraph?

 

[edthecynic]

Context.....context my boys

What Cuomo said:

"I think what you're seeing is, you have a schism within the Republican Party. The Republican Party is searching for an identity. They're searching to define their soul. That's what's going on. Is the Republican Party in this state a moderate party or is it an extreme conservative party? That's what they're trying to figure out. And it's very interesting because it's a mirror of what is going on in Washington, right?
"The gridlock in Washington is less about Democrats and Republicans. It's more about extreme Republicans versus moderate Republicans. And the moderate Republicans in Washington can't figure out how to deal with the extreme Republicans. And the moderate Republicans are afraid of the extreme conservative Republicans in Washington, in my opinion.

"You're seeing that play out in New York. There's SAFE-ACT. The Republican Party candidates are running against the SAFE-ACT. It was voted for by moderate Republicans who run the Senate. Their problem is not me and the Democrats, their problem is themselves. Who are they? Are they these extreme conservatives who are "right to life," "pro assault weapon" "anti-gay"? Is that who they are? Because if that's who they are, and if they are the extreme conservatives, they have no place in the state of New York because that's not who New Yorkers are. If they're moderate Republicans, like in the Senate right now, who control the Senate -- moderate Republicans have a place in this state."

Exactly, it was a conversation on ELECTABILITY in statewide elections in NY.

Here is the full interview:

Jan. 17, 2014: Gov. Cuomo, Comptroller DiNapoli, Bill Hammond, Susan Lerner | Member Supported Public Television, Radio |WCNY

 

[chikenwing]

Context.....context my boys

What Cuomo said:

"I think what you're seeing is, you have a schism within the Republican Party. The Republican Party is searching for an identity. They're searching to define their soul. That's what's going on. Is the Republican Party in this state a moderate party or is it an extreme conservative party? That's what they're trying to figure out. And it's very interesting because it's a mirror of what is going on in Washington, right?
"The gridlock in Washington is less about Democrats and Republicans. It's more about extreme Republicans versus moderate Republicans. And the moderate Republicans in Washington can't figure out how to deal with the extreme Republicans. And the moderate Republicans are afraid of the extreme conservative Republicans in Washington, in my opinion.

"You're seeing that play out in New York. There's SAFE-ACT. The Republican Party candidates are running against the SAFE-ACT. It was voted for by moderate Republicans who run the Senate. Their problem is not me and the Democrats, their problem is themselves. Who are they? Are they these extreme conservatives who are "right to life," "pro assault weapon" "anti-gay"? Is that who they are? Because if that's who they are, and if they are the extreme conservatives, they have no place in the state of New York because that's not who New Yorkers are. If they're moderate Republicans, like in the Senate right now, who control the Senate -- moderate Republicans have a place in this state."

Context. In spades.

Guess what?

In New York State the Republican Party is a moderate party. New Yorkers favor abortion rights, they favor reasonable gun controls, they favor gay rights. If Republicans want to win in NY they had better run as moderates

Context makes things easier doesn't it TK?

You don't know much about New yorks demographics do you?,upstate is nothing like the city as far as just about everything,the safe act is so unpopular the local Sheriffs have refused to enforce this batch of back room in the dark of night legislation,it will be brought down in time by law suits in the works.

Albany has a huge disconnect from most of the state,the city drives what happens,and the city doesn't respond nor care about the rest of the state.

Coumo is just another divisive ass hole bucking for power. Typical of the left,so tolerant and excepting of others.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Context.....context my boys

What Cuomo said:

"I think what you're seeing is, you have a schism within the Republican Party. The Republican Party is searching for an identity. They're searching to define their soul. That's what's going on. Is the Republican Party in this state a moderate party or is it an extreme conservative party? That's what they're trying to figure out. And it's very interesting because it's a mirror of what is going on in Washington, right?
"The gridlock in Washington is less about Democrats and Republicans. It's more about extreme Republicans versus moderate Republicans. And the moderate Republicans in Washington can't figure out how to deal with the extreme Republicans. And the moderate Republicans are afraid of the extreme conservative Republicans in Washington, in my opinion.

"You're seeing that play out in New York. There's SAFE-ACT. The Republican Party candidates are running against the SAFE-ACT. It was voted for by moderate Republicans who run the Senate. Their problem is not me and the Democrats, their problem is themselves. Who are they? Are they these extreme conservatives who are "right to life," "pro assault weapon" "anti-gay"? Is that who they are? Because if that's who they are, and if they are the extreme conservatives, they have no place in the state of New York because that's not who New Yorkers are. If they're moderate Republicans, like in the Senate right now, who control the Senate -- moderate Republicans have a place in this state."

Context. In spades.

The context proves you didn't know what you were talking about.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I love how we hear this lament from the Right all the time now...

boohoo!!!! why won't they tolerate our intolerance???!!!!

 

[rightwinger]

Context. In spades.

Guess what?

In New York State the Republican Party is a moderate party. New Yorkers favor abortion rights, they favor reasonable gun controls, they favor gay rights. If Republicans want to win in NY they had better run as moderates

Context makes things easier doesn't it TK?

You don't know much about New yorks demographics do you?,upstate is nothing like the city as far as just about everything,the safe act is so unpopular the local Sheriffs have refused to enforce this batch of back room in the dark of night legislation,it will be brought down in time by law suits in the works.

Albany has a huge disconnect from most of the state,the city drives what happens,and the city doesn't respond nor care about the rest of the state.

Coumo is just another divisive ass hole bucking for power. Typical of the left,so tolerant and excepting of others.

Born and raised in "upstate" New York

Most of New York outside of the city is Republican. But, like Cuomo so elequently stated, these are not Bible Belt or TeaParty Republicans. They are moderates. If you are a Republican who thinks you can run on an anti-gay, anti-abortion, pro-gun ticket....you will lose

Just like Cuomo said

 

[Toro]

It is obvious now that Cuomo was, rightfully or wrongfully, talking about the Republican Party, not the state of New York.

We all agree on that, that the OP is out of context?

Right?

 

[Dutch]

Context.....context my boys

What Cuomo said:

"I think what you're seeing is, you have a schism within the Republican Party. The Republican Party is searching for an identity. They're searching to define their soul. That's what's going on. Is the Republican Party in this state a moderate party or is it an extreme conservative party? That's what they're trying to figure out. And it's very interesting because it's a mirror of what is going on in Washington, right?
"The gridlock in Washington is less about Democrats and Republicans. It's more about extreme Republicans versus moderate Republicans. And the moderate Republicans in Washington can't figure out how to deal with the extreme Republicans. And the moderate Republicans are afraid of the extreme conservative Republicans in Washington, in my opinion.

"You're seeing that play out in New York. There's SAFE-ACT. The Republican Party candidates are running against the SAFE-ACT. It was voted for by moderate Republicans who run the Senate. Their problem is not me and the Democrats, their problem is themselves. Who are they? Are they these extreme conservatives who are "right to life," "pro assault weapon" "anti-gay"? Is that who they are? Because if that's who they are, and if they are the extreme conservatives, they have no place in the state of New York because that's not who New Yorkers are. If they're moderate Republicans, like in the Senate right now, who control the Senate -- moderate Republicans have a place in this state."

Context. In spades.

I thought you were a General in the Tea Party and a libertarian now? What do you care what Cuomo calls the Republican Party?

 

[edthecynic]

It is obvious now that Cuomo was, rightfully or wrongfully, talking about the Republican Party, not the state of New York.

We all agree on that, that the OP is out of context?

Right?

It is obvious that the discussion was about elections not residency.

 

[TemplarKormac]

It is obvious now that Cuomo was, rightfully or wrongfully, talking about the Republican Party, not the state of New York.

We all agree on that, that the OP is out of context?

Right?

Uhh, were you reading the same thing I was reading?

His words were and I quote: "they have no place in the state of New York"