1776: Counterrevolution and White Nationalism

[georgephillip]

Without Googling I'll bet Gerald Horne is black.

Gerald Horne - Wikipedia

"Gerald Horne was born on January 3, 1949, and was raised in St. Louis, Missouri. After undergraduate education at Princeton University he received his Ph.D. from Columbia University and a J.D. from the University of California, Berkeley...."

"A prolific author, Horne has published on W. E. B. Du Bois and has written books on a wide range of neglected but by no means marginal or minor episodes of world history. He writes about topics he perceives as misrepresented struggles for justice, in particular communist struggles and struggles against imperialism, colonialism, fascism, racism and white supremacy."

He's a dope

He's a dope

Got any evidence?

“Counter-Revolution of 1776”: Was U.S. Independence War a Conservative Revolt in Favor of Slavery? | Democracy Now!

"GERALD HORNE: It’s well known that up until the middle part of the 18th century, London felt that the Caribbean colonies—Jamaica, Barbados, Antigua, in particular—were in some ways more valuable than the mainland colonies.

"The problem was that in the Caribbean colonies the Africans outnumbered the European settlers, sometimes at a rate of 20 to one, which facilitated slave revolts.

"There were major slave revolts in Antigua, for example, in 1709 and 1736. The Maroons—that is to say, the Africans who had escaped London’s jurisdiction in Jamaica—had challenged the crown quite sternly.

"This led, as your question suggests, to many European settlers in the Caribbean making the great trek to the mainland, being chased out of the Caribbean by enraged Africans.

"For example, I did research for this book in Newport, Rhode Island, and the main library there, to this very day, is named after Abraham Redwood, who fled Antigua after the 1736 slave revolt because many of his, quote, 'Africans,' unquote, were involved in the slave revolt.

"And he fled in fear and established the main library in Newport, to this very day, and helped to basically establish that city on the Atlantic coast.

"So, there is a close connection between what was transpiring in the Caribbean and what was taking place on the mainland. And historians need to recognize that even though these colonies were not necessarily a unitary project, there were close and intimate connections between and amongst them."

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[georgephillip]

How much of the historical events we celebrate today stem from colonial fears that England was about to outlaw slavery?

" We should understand that July 4th, 1776, in many ways, represents a counterrevolution.

"That is to say that what helped to prompt July 4th, 1776, was the perception amongst European settlers on the North American mainland that London was moving rapidly towards abolition.

"This perception was prompted by Somerset’s case, a case decided in London in June 1772 which seemed to suggest that abolition, which not only was going to be ratified in London itself, was going to cross the Atlantic and basically sweep through the mainland, thereby jeopardizing numerous fortunes, not only based upon slavery, but the slave trade."

“Counter-Revolution of 1776”: Was U.S. Independence War a Conservative Revolt in Favor of Slavery? | Democracy Now!

England didn't outlaw slavery in their colonies until 1833 ... 57 years AFTER the US became independent.

England didn't outlaw slavery in their colonies until 1833 ... 57 years AFTER the US became independent.

US slave owners and those economically dependent upon unpaid labor had good reason to fear abolition four years BEFORE July 1776.

Somerset v Stewart - Wikipedia

"Somerset v Stewart (1772) 98 ER 499 (also known as Somersett's case, and in State Trials as v.XX Sommersett v Steuart) is a famous judgment of the Court of King's Bench in 1772, which held that chattel slavery was unsupported by the common law in England and Wales, although the position elsewhere in the British Empire was left ambiguous...."

"The state of slavery is of such a nature that it is incapable of being introduced on any reasons, moral or political, but only by positive law [statute], which preserves its force long after the reasons, occasions, and time itself from whence it was created, is erased from memory.

"It is so odious, that nothing can be suffered to support it, but positive law. Whatever inconveniences, therefore, may follow from the decision, I cannot say this case is allowed or approved by the law of England; and therefore the black must be discharged.[1]"

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The left believes they have destroyed enough of our history that they can start replacing it with a history they like better.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Get the fuck out of here, Quackers were already here and against slavery.

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Yes, the Quakers staged the first American anti-Slavery talks in Pawling NY, at the Oblong House.

The Quakers were also fed up with the British, they actually formed the first notable anti-British rebellion in the USA, led by Irish Quaker William Prendergast.

He was actually a resident in my Pawling for awhile, and also hid out, and fought the British in the Quaker Hill section of Pawling.

It was largely fought over British lending laws of property.... NOT about Slavery.

Prendergast's Rent War, a colonial American rebellion

Crown v. William Prendergast, 1766

Agrarian Revolt in Colonial New York, 1766 on JSTOR

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

How much of the historical events we celebrate today stem from colonial fears that England was about to outlaw slavery?

" We should understand that July 4th, 1776, in many ways, represents a counterrevolution.

"That is to say that what helped to prompt July 4th, 1776, was the perception amongst European settlers on the North American mainland that London was moving rapidly towards abolition.

"This perception was prompted by Somerset’s case, a case decided in London in June 1772 which seemed to suggest that abolition, which not only was going to be ratified in London itself, was going to cross the Atlantic and basically sweep through the mainland, thereby jeopardizing numerous fortunes, not only based upon slavery, but the slave trade."

“Counter-Revolution of 1776”: Was U.S. Independence War a Conservative Revolt in Favor of Slavery? | Democracy Now!

Even if it were a concern it wasn't very high on a list of concerns.

The first anti-British rebellions in the USA were the Pine Tree Riots against British taking American Eastern White Pines, and Prendergast's Rentwar against British lending property laws in New York, not to mention the Boston Tea Party over Taxation over Tea.

 

[georgephillip]

The left believes they have destroyed enough of our history that they can start replacing it with a history they like better.

Perhaps your understanding of US History is incomplete?

“Counter-Revolution of 1776”: Was U.S. Independence War a Conservative Revolt in Favor of Slavery? | Democracy Now!

GERALD HORNE: Well, it is fair to say that the United States did provide a sanctuary for Europeans. Indeed, I think part of the, quote, 'genius,' unquote, of the U.S. project, if there was such a genius, was the fact that the founders in the United States basically called a formal truce, a formal ceasefire, with regard to the religious warfare that had been bedeviling Europe for many decades and centuries—that is to say, Protestant London, so-called, versus Catholic Madrid and Catholic France.

"What the settlers on the North American mainland did was call a formal truce with regard to religious conflict, but then they opened a new front with regard to race—that is to say, Europeans versus non-Europeans.

 

[georgephillip]

How much of the historical events we celebrate today stem from colonial fears that England was about to outlaw slavery?

" We should understand that July 4th, 1776, in many ways, represents a counterrevolution.

"That is to say that what helped to prompt July 4th, 1776, was the perception amongst European settlers on the North American mainland that London was moving rapidly towards abolition.

"This perception was prompted by Somerset’s case, a case decided in London in June 1772 which seemed to suggest that abolition, which not only was going to be ratified in London itself, was going to cross the Atlantic and basically sweep through the mainland, thereby jeopardizing numerous fortunes, not only based upon slavery, but the slave trade."

“Counter-Revolution of 1776”: Was U.S. Independence War a Conservative Revolt in Favor of Slavery? | Democracy Now!

Even if it were a concern it wasn't very high on a list of concerns.

The first anti-British rebellions in the USA were the Pine Tree Riots against British taking American Eastern White Pines, and Prendergast's Rentwar against British lending property laws in New York, not to mention the Boston Tea Party over Taxation over Tea.

The first anti-British rebellions in the USA were the Pine Tree Riots against British taking American Eastern White Pines, and Prendergast's Rentwar against British lending property laws in New York, not to mention the Boston Tea Party over Taxation over Tea.

Chattel slavery exerted a much greater effect on the colonial economy in 1776 than did Eastern White Pines, Prendergast's Rent war, and Boston tea combined.

Chattel Antebellum Manumission Abolitionism Sectionalism The “peculiar institution” (slavery) Secede. - ppt download

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Maybe the dingbat OP should study up on Merry Olde England and indentured servitude

 

[Wyatt earp]

The left believes they have destroyed enough of our history that they can start replacing it with a history they like better.

Exactly, that's why they want to take down the monuments of their evil past and then claim dumb.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Maybe the dingbat OP should study up on Merry Olde England and indentured servitude

Which was not outlawed until a few years ago.

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[Terri4Trump]

White Nationalism is another Fake News phony term.

Nationalism is a GOOD thing, the opposite of globalism. I am a Nationalist, I put my nation first above others. Globalists create chaos like we see at the border - the no borders gang.

White Supremacy is a thing, but there are so few of them that they are essentially 0% of the population, and the fake News' media obsession with them is nonsensical.There are not enough of them to fill up my bathroom.

But White Nationalism? This is an Orwellian perversion of language, as discussed in my thread The Politics of Liberal Perversion of Language.

"Politics and the English Language" (1946) is an essay by George Orwell that criticized the "ugly and inaccurate" written English of his time and examines the connection between political orthodoxies and the debasement of language. The essay focuses on political language, which, according to Orwell, "is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind". Orwell believed that the language used was necessarily vague or meaningless because it was intended to hide the truth rather than express it (source).

White Nationalism is the Left's attempt to make Nationalism a racial thing. It is not.

 

[georgephillip]

Maybe the dingbat OP should study up on Merry Olde England and indentured servitude

Is indentured servitude as relevant to this thread as the threat of colonial slave insurrection was?

“Counter-Revolution of 1776”: Was U.S. Independence War a Conservative Revolt in Favor of Slavery? | Democracy Now!

"The fact of the matter is, is that Spain had been arming Africans since the 1500s. And indeed, because Spain was arming Africans and then unleashing them on mainland colonies, particularly South Carolina, this put competitive pressure on London to act in a similar fashion.

"The problem there was, is that the mainland settlers had embarked on a project and a model of development that was inconsistent with arming Africans. Indeed, their project was involved in enslaving and manacling every African in sight.

"This deepens the schism between the colonies and the metropolis—that is to say, London—thereby helping to foment a revolt against British rule in 1776."

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Maybe the dingbat OP should study up on Merry Olde England and indentured servitude

Is indentured servitude as relevant to this thread as the threat of colonial slave insurrection was?

“Counter-Revolution of 1776”: Was U.S. Independence War a Conservative Revolt in Favor of Slavery? | Democracy Now!

"The fact of the matter is, is that Spain had been arming Africans since the 1500s. And indeed, because Spain was arming Africans and then unleashing them on mainland colonies, particularly South Carolina, this put competitive pressure on London to act in a similar fashion.

"The problem there was, is that the mainland settlers had embarked on a project and a model of development that was inconsistent with arming Africans. Indeed, their project was involved in enslaving and manacling every African in sight.

"This deepens the schism between the colonies and the metropolis—that is to say, London—thereby helping to foment a revolt against British rule in 1776."

Indentured servitude was basically slavery you dumbed down loon.

Stop copying and pasting crap nobody reads anyway

 

[georgephillip]

White Nationalism is another Fake News phony term.

Nationalism is a GOOD thing, the opposite of globalism. I am a Nationalist, I put my nation first above others. Globalists create chaos like we see at the border - the no borders gang.

White Supremacy is a thing, but there are o few of them that they are essentially 0% of the population, and the fake News' media obsession with them is nonsensical.There are not enough of them to fill up my bathroom.

But White Nationalism? This is an Orwellian perversion of language, as discussed in my thread The Politics of Liberal Perversion of Language.

"Politics and the English Language" (1946) is an essay by George Orwell that criticized the "ugly and inaccurate" written English of his time and examines the connection between political orthodoxies and the debasement of language. The essay focuses on political language, which, according to Orwell, "is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind". Orwell believed that the language used was necessarily vague or meaningless because it was intended to hide the truth rather than express it (source).

White Nationalism is the Left's attempt to make Nationalism a racial thing. It is not.

White nationalism is a founding principle of this country, whether you understand or not:

"The Apocalypse of Settler Colonialism: The Roots of Slavery, White Supremacy, and Capitalism in Seventeenth-Century North America and the Caribbean

"Virtually no part of the modern United States—the economy, education, constitutional law, religious institutions, sports, literature, economics, even protest movements—can be understood without first understanding the slavery and dispossession that laid its foundation."

Monthly Review | The Apocalypse of Settler Colonialism: The Roots of Slavery, White Supremacy, and Capitalism in Seventeenth-Century North America and the Caribbean

 

[Terri4Trump]

White nationalism is a founding principle of this country

Stuff that bullshit up your ass you moron. I hope a firework goes right up your ass tonight. Piece of shit.

 

[georgephillip]

White nationalism is a founding principle of this country

Stuff that bullshit up your ass you moron. I hope a firework goes right up your ass tonight. Piece of shit.

Gerald Horne on Trump's Racist, Nativist 1st Year

 

[August West]

I googled... he's black.

I hate to burst your little snot bubble but it`s still legal to be black. Congratulations on knowing how to use Google.

 

[Terri4Trump]

I hate to burst your little snot bubble but it`s still legal to be black. Congratulations on knowing how to use Google.

Lucky for you its also legal to be an idiot.

 

[Billiejeens]

"Democracy Now"

is the clear sign that the story will be fake.

 

[Tehon]

"Democracy Now"

is the clear sign that the story will be fake.

What in the story is fake?