2016 Arctic sea ice thread

[elektra]

And Greenland ice is 1.2 miles thick. So what?
And the ice in Antarctica and Greenland is losing mass. In Greenland, both from melt and glacial thinning, in Antarctica, mainly from glacial thinning.
The melting of the arctic sea ice has had many more effects than just the creation of open water.

quit spitting while you type! 6 feet of ice, that aint nothing

NASA Study: Mass Gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet Greater than Losses

NASA Study: Mass Gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet Greater than Losses

A new NASA study says that Antarctica is overall accumulating ice. Credits: NASA's Operation IceBridge

Map showing the rates of mass changes from ICESat 2003-2008 over Antarctica. Sums are for all of Antarctica: East Antarctica (EA, 2-17); interior West Antarctica (WA2, 1, 18, 19, and 23); coastal West Antarctica (WA1, 20-21); and the Antarctic Peninsula (24-27). A gigaton (Gt) corresponds to a billion metric tons, or 1.1 billion U.S. tons.
Credits: Jay Zwally/ Journal of Glaciology
A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.

 

[Old Rocks]

And other equally credible studies show a loss. Guess we will find out soon enough.

 

[elektra]

And other equally credible studies show a loss. Guess we will find out soon enough.

those who do not link are Filthy Liars, your rule Old Crock.

You filthy liar, link, crock, link

 

[Crick]

Elektra, Old Rock could produce a dozen studies showing a mass loss without breaking a sweat. It has been the standard position for decades. The report you brought up is singular so far.

Filthy idiot.

 

[elektra]

Elektra, Old Rock could produce a dozen studies showing a mass loss without breaking a sweat. It has been the standard position for decades. The report you brought up is singular so far.

Filthy idiot.

My report is from NASA, who you link to, now you dismiss NASA?

 

[elektra]

Elektra, Old Rock could produce a dozen studies showing a mass loss without breaking a sweat. It has been the standard position for decades. The report you brought up is singular so far.

Filthy idiot.

Okay, produce a dozen studies, not articles or abstracts, but one dozen studies.

 

[RollingThunder]

The Arctic is almost certainly going to hit new record lows this September in both ice extent and volume, significantly beating the previous record set in 2012.

Melting of Arctic Sea Ice Already Setting Records in 2016
April 8, 2016

On top of the record high temperatures and severe heat waves that both America and the rest of the world are going to experience this summer, these new record lows in Arctic ice are going to go a long ways towards demonstrating how utterly insane the climate change denying stooges for the fossil fuel industry infesting Congress really are right before the election. T'Rump will lead the Repukingcons to a crushing defeat and their global warming denial will cost them the House and Senate.

 

[frigidweirdo]

And Greenland ice is 1.2 miles thick. So what?
And the ice in Antarctica and Greenland is losing mass. In Greenland, both from melt and glacial thinning, in Antarctica, mainly from glacial thinning.
The melting of the arctic sea ice has had many more effects than just the creation of open water.

quit spitting while you type! 6 feet of ice, that aint nothing

NASA Study: Mass Gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet Greater than Losses

NASA Study: Mass Gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet Greater than Losses

A new NASA study says that Antarctica is overall accumulating ice. Credits: NASA's Operation IceBridge

Map showing the rates of mass changes from ICESat 2003-2008 over Antarctica. Sums are for all of Antarctica: East Antarctica (EA, 2-17); interior West Antarctica (WA2, 1, 18, 19, and 23); coastal West Antarctica (WA1, 20-21); and the Antarctic Peninsula (24-27). A gigaton (Gt) corresponds to a billion metric tons, or 1.1 billion U.S. tons.
Credits: Jay Zwally/ Journal of Glaciology
A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.

The problem is, and this has been said many times, is that before the ice was thick. Now the ice is much thinner, and the wind takes it and ice is over a larger area, but there's less ice.

 

[elektra]

And Greenland ice is 1.2 miles thick. So what?
And the ice in Antarctica and Greenland is losing mass. In Greenland, both from melt and glacial thinning, in Antarctica, mainly from glacial thinning.
The melting of the arctic sea ice has had many more effects than just the creation of open water.

quit spitting while you type! 6 feet of ice, that aint nothing

NASA Study: Mass Gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet Greater than Losses

NASA Study: Mass Gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet Greater than Losses

A new NASA study says that Antarctica is overall accumulating ice. Credits: NASA's Operation IceBridge

Map showing the rates of mass changes from ICESat 2003-2008 over Antarctica. Sums are for all of Antarctica: East Antarctica (EA, 2-17); interior West Antarctica (WA2, 1, 18, 19, and 23); coastal West Antarctica (WA1, 20-21); and the Antarctic Peninsula (24-27). A gigaton (Gt) corresponds to a billion metric tons, or 1.1 billion U.S. tons.
Credits: Jay Zwally/ Journal of Glaciology
A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.

The problem is, and this has been said many times, is that before the ice was thick. Now the ice is much thinner, and the wind takes it and ice is over a larger area, but there's less ice.

The post you responded to was my antarctic post? I can assume you mean the Arctic, which really does not matter, it was not that long ago there was no ice at all in the Arctic, but that said, in the Hudson Bay area of the Arctic, the ice has not been at record lows. So I guess you win some and you lose some, right.

 

[elektra]

The Arctic is almost certainly going to hit new record lows this September in both ice extent and volume, significantly beating the previous record set in 2012.

Melting of Arctic Sea Ice Already Setting Records in 2016
April 8, 2016

On top of the record high temperatures and severe heat waves that both America and the rest of the world are going to experience this summer, these new record lows in Arctic ice are going to go a long ways towards demonstrating how utterly insane the climate change denying stooges for the fossil fuel industry infesting Congress really are right before the election. T'Rump will lead the Repukingcons to a crushing defeat and their global warming denial will cost them the House and Senate.

Thus far we are experiencing RECORD COLD, so your propaganda from last month is proving to be just that, propaganda.

 

[frigidweirdo]

And Greenland ice is 1.2 miles thick. So what?
And the ice in Antarctica and Greenland is losing mass. In Greenland, both from melt and glacial thinning, in Antarctica, mainly from glacial thinning.
The melting of the arctic sea ice has had many more effects than just the creation of open water.

quit spitting while you type! 6 feet of ice, that aint nothing

NASA Study: Mass Gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet Greater than Losses

NASA Study: Mass Gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet Greater than Losses

A new NASA study says that Antarctica is overall accumulating ice. Credits: NASA's Operation IceBridge

Map showing the rates of mass changes from ICESat 2003-2008 over Antarctica. Sums are for all of Antarctica: East Antarctica (EA, 2-17); interior West Antarctica (WA2, 1, 18, 19, and 23); coastal West Antarctica (WA1, 20-21); and the Antarctic Peninsula (24-27). A gigaton (Gt) corresponds to a billion metric tons, or 1.1 billion U.S. tons.
Credits: Jay Zwally/ Journal of Glaciology
A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.

The problem is, and this has been said many times, is that before the ice was thick. Now the ice is much thinner, and the wind takes it and ice is over a larger area, but there's less ice.

The post you responded to was my antarctic post? I can assume you mean the Arctic, which really does not matter, it was not that long ago there was no ice at all in the Arctic, but that said, in the Hudson Bay area of the Arctic, the ice has not been at record lows. So I guess you win some and you lose some, right.

The point in this debate is that the ice is getting less and less which shows the planet is warming.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The Arctic is almost certainly going to hit new record lows this September in both ice extent and volume, significantly beating the previous record set in 2012.

Melting of Arctic Sea Ice Already Setting Records in 2016
April 8, 2016

On top of the record high temperatures and severe heat waves that both America and the rest of the world are going to experience this summer, these new record lows in Arctic ice are going to go a long ways towards demonstrating how utterly insane the climate change denying stooges for the fossil fuel industry infesting Congress really are right before the election. T'Rump will lead the Repukingcons to a crushing defeat and their global warming denial will cost them the House and Senate.

Thus far we are experiencing RECORD COLD, so your propaganda from last month is proving to be just that, propaganda.

Arctic Report Card

"Sea ice continues to be younger and thinner: in February and March 2015 there was twice as much first-year ice as there was 30 years ago."

"Air temperatures in all seasons between October 2014 and September 2015 exceeded 3°C above average over broad areas of the Arctic, while the annual average air temperature (+1.3°) over land was the highest since 1900."

 

[elektra]

Arctic Report Card

"Sea ice continues to be younger and thinner: in February and March 2015 there was twice as much first-year ice as there was 30 years ago."

"Air temperatures in all seasons between October 2014 and September 2015 exceeded 3°C above average over broad areas of the Arctic, while the annual average air temperature (+1.3°) over land was the highest since 1900."

Go Fish!

Antarctic Sea Ice Reaches New Record Maximum

 

[elektra]

Arctic Report Card

"Sea ice continues to be younger and thinner: in February and March 2015 there was twice as much first-year ice as there was 30 years ago."

"Air temperatures in all seasons between October 2014 and September 2015 exceeded 3°C above average over broad areas of the Arctic, while the annual average air temperature (+1.3°) over land was the highest since 1900."

At least the Polar Bears are all fine, somehow they have a lot of ice.

Canadian Ice Service | polarbearscience

Remarkably, this year’s ice coverage for the first week in January is well above what they were in 2014 and 2015 – even though those two years were above average by March. In fact, there hasn’t been this much polar bear habitat in the Southern Labrador Sea in the first week of January since at least 1993.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Arctic Report Card

"Sea ice continues to be younger and thinner: in February and March 2015 there was twice as much first-year ice as there was 30 years ago."

"Air temperatures in all seasons between October 2014 and September 2015 exceeded 3°C above average over broad areas of the Arctic, while the annual average air temperature (+1.3°) over land was the highest since 1900."

Go Fish!

Antarctic Sea Ice Reaches New Record Maximum

Again, if you melt the ice, then blow the water, then it freezes again, you can have the same amount of ice but over a much larger area.

The quote I quotes said that sea ice is becoming younger and thinner. So, the ice might extend further, but it is ice that will only last the winter, and it's not thick, it's a think layer of ice.

All this points to global warming.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Arctic Report Card

"Sea ice continues to be younger and thinner: in February and March 2015 there was twice as much first-year ice as there was 30 years ago."

"Air temperatures in all seasons between October 2014 and September 2015 exceeded 3°C above average over broad areas of the Arctic, while the annual average air temperature (+1.3°) over land was the highest since 1900."

At least the Polar Bears are all fine, somehow they have a lot of ice.

Canadian Ice Service | polarbearscience

Remarkably, this year’s ice coverage for the first week in January is well above what they were in 2014 and 2015 – even though those two years were above average by March. In fact, there hasn’t been this much polar bear habitat in the Southern Labrador Sea in the first week of January since at least 1993.

And we're still on the same point, a larger covering of ice, but less ice.

 

[elektra]

Again, if you melt the ice, then blow the water, then it freezes again, you can have the same amount of ice but over a much larger area.

The quote I quotes said that sea ice is becoming younger and thinner. So, the ice might extend further, but it is ice that will only last the winter, and it's not thick, it's a think layer of ice.

All this points to global warming.

All it points to is global bullshit.

and why do we ignore the Antarctic? Which is growing, not shrinking? Arctic Ice is extremely variable, being thin, it always fluctuates to extremes.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Again, if you melt the ice, then blow the water, then it freezes again, you can have the same amount of ice but over a much larger area.

The quote I quotes said that sea ice is becoming younger and thinner. So, the ice might extend further, but it is ice that will only last the winter, and it's not thick, it's a think layer of ice.

All this points to global warming.

All it points to is global bullshit.

and why do we ignore the Antarctic? Which is growing, not shrinking? Arctic Ice is extremely variable, being thin, it always fluctuates to extremes.

No, it doesn't. It points to you not understand something quite simple.

Imagine you have a sandwich. In the middle of the bread you plonk a giant lump of jelly in the middle. It takes up an area of the sandwich of about 2.5 cm squared.

Then you spread the jam so that it takes up an area of the sandwich which is 12 cm squared.

Do you have more jelly or less jelly than you had before?

Well do it simple and forget what might be left on the knife, so we'll say it's the same.

Then we nibble, in a kind of OCD sort of way, the edge of the sandwich and we reduce the sandwich to a size of 8cm squared.

Do we have more jelly or less jelly than we started with?

Do we have a larger surface area of jelly or a smaller surface area of jelly than we started with?

 

[Crick]

This isn't bullshit

 

[elektra]

All it points to is global bullshit.

and why do we ignore the Antarctic? Which is growing, not shrinking? Arctic Ice is extremely variable, being thin, it always fluctuates to extremes.

No, it doesn't. It points to you not understand something quite simple.
Imagine you have a sandwich. In the middle of the bread you plonk a giant lump of jelly in the middle. It takes up an area of the sandwich of about 2.5 cm squared.
Then you spread the jam so that it takes up an area of the sandwich which is 12 cm squared.
Do you have more jelly or less jelly than you had before?
Well do it simple and forget what might be left on the knife, so we'll say it's the same.
Then we nibble, in a kind of OCD sort of way, the edge of the sandwich and we reduce the sandwich to a size of 8cm squared.
Do we have more jelly or less jelly than we started with?
Do we have a larger surface area of jelly or a smaller surface area of jelly than we started with?[/QUOTE]
Jelly Sandwhich? That still leaves the Antarctic which is growing

But speaking of the Arctic, which varies greatly all throughout history, here is nice study on ice thickness, which goes on to explain, there is not a lot of information available.
Ice thickness in the Northwest Passage - Haas - 2015 - Geophysical Research Letters - Wiley Online Library