2020s The Decade of the Electric Cars

[Ray From Cleveland]

Add a Powerwall 2, and you don't need to turn down your air conditioner in the summer.

What is a Powerall 2, and what does it cost?

Okay, so let's recap:

To save the planet, you need to buy an electric car which are more expensive than standard gasoline cars. You need to have a solar panel system installed to charge the car subsidized by taxpayers (we are now 20 trillion in debt already) and you need to buy one of these Powerall things?

Let me ask: do you have all of these products?

Tesla Powerwall

No, not at present.

So on top of the other costs I listed in my last post, this thing is going to cost you $6,200 plus installation ($800.00 to $2,000) plus taxes and fees.

You may not have to rely on manufactured energy if you go through all this, but without a doubt, it's certainly not an investment. It would cost you less money just to buy your electricity from the electric company.

You take this $20,000, put it in a conservative investment, and in 20 years or so, You would make enough on compound interest to get at least 10K back from your money to help you offset the money you spent buying your electricity from an electric company.

As the left always says "subsidies "

No, they don't like that word. Subsidies are only for Republican things. When the left gets government money, it's called an investment.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I don't know what kind of truck you're talking about, but as a professional truck driver, I can tell you that's not happening in our lifetime anytime soon. Pickup trucks or something, yes, that's possible.

Semi trucks are rather large and could hold a very large battery. What if a trucker could drive 600 miles before recharge? Then they recharge at the truck stops where they usually stop to rest? It will be a reality in the 2020s

I hate to say this to you, but think about another profession before it is too late. With in 5 yrs you are going to see driverless cars. Taxis and uber drivers will go first, but trucker won't be long.


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I'm not worried about it. Even if the government doesn't stop me from working (which they are trying to do now) I'll be retiring in about ten years.

When I'm loaded, my vehicle weighs around 75,000 lbs. There isn't an electric motor in the world that's going to pull that kind of weight on on incline. Even if there was, it would take so much electricity that it wouldn't be practical to use. You would have to recharge the batteries every two hours or so.

Driverless trucks? I don't think that will be a standard as long as I'm alive. Even with some success, insurance companies would be hesitant to insure those vehicles. They may be able to travel on the highway some day, but they will never be able to drive on regular streets. Because most cities don't design the roads for trucks, you have to make calculations when making turns so you don't hit telephone polls, crossing signs and stop signs. Up north, a driverless truck will not know when it's snowing or when the roads are slippery.

Right now the push is for automatic transmissions in trucks. My employer won't lease any of those. They drag when going uphills and it would be difficult to get out of snow covered dock with an automatic. You need a standard transmission to go into the highest gear possible to get out of those docks. An automatic transmission is not capable of doing that.

You highly under estimate the electric motor.

The Model X has more horsepower than the F-150

F-150: 282 to 450

ford f 150 horsepower - Google Search

Model X: 417 to 518
model x horsepower - Google Search

The driverless cars are coming and will be here within 10 years. Heck uber already has them on the road.


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Yes, Uber does have them on the road:

Internal company documents obtained by Recode show that Uber's self-driving cars regularly need human assistance.

The metrics show that Uber's self-driving cars can barely drive a mile before they "disengage," which is when a safety driver has to take control of the vehicle. Compared to company's like Waymo, Alphabet's self-driving-car company, the data shows Uber has a very long way to go before achieving full autonomy.

Here's what happens when a self-driving Uber fails

Cell phones used to come in a bag and cost dollar per min. Computers used to take up an entire room. Technology requires trial and error.


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I totally agree, but nobody shoved cell phones down our throats. Government didn't subsidize cell phones to con people into buying them. Plus technology came at it's own pace--not forced down our throats whether we wanted a phone or not.

We will use different energy sources in the future, but like with cars, televisions, phones, computers, it has to come at it's own time. When it does, it will sell itself like everything else.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Has a anyone here bought a used electric car?

Too expensive.

 

[esthermoon]

If the Tesla Model 3 (the $35k electric car) takes off, then the 2020s will be the decade of the electric car. The Model 3 is set to hit the market later this year and already has 700k pre-orders. If it truly remains at $35k, then the next models will be in the $20k. At will officially make them mainstream. I see advance set in fueling from 30-60 mins to 5-6 mins. I see ranges going from 200 miles to 500-600 miles.

By 2025 half of all new car purchases will be electric. By 2030, the gas engine will go the way of the typewriter.

Conservatives and liberal alike should cheer at the oil nations downfall: Russia, Venezuela, the Middle East etc.

The 2020s Could Be the Decade When Electric Cars Take Over


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That would be wonderful but I guess oil corporations will do all in their power to prevent this (because if all the cars are electric oil will be useless...)

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If the Tesla Model 3 (the $35k electric car) takes off, then the 2020s will be the decade of the electric car. The Model 3 is set to hit the market later this year and already has 700k pre-orders. If it truly remains at $35k, then the next models will be in the $20k. At will officially make them mainstream. I see advance set in fueling from 30-60 mins to 5-6 mins. I see ranges going from 200 miles to 500-600 miles.

By 2025 half of all new car purchases will be electric. By 2030, the gas engine will go the way of the typewriter.

Conservatives and liberal alike should cheer at the oil nations downfall: Russia, Venezuela, the Middle East etc.

The 2020s Could Be the Decade When Electric Cars Take Over


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That would be wonderful but I guess oil corporations will do all in their power to prevent this (because if all the cars are electric oil will be useless...)

No, the country will never stop needing oil. Your car tires are made out of oil, asphalt is made out of oil, roof shingles are made out of oil.........

Many products are made out of oil. But even if we could find a way to eliminate all oil, other countries will be happy to take our share. Nobody has to sell oil---it sells itself.

 

[whitehall]

More like 400k pre orders. There are about 150k gas stations in the U.S. and the Tesla company "hopes" to double the number of fast charge stations to 7,000. Maybe you need to stick to the L.A. metro area if you hope to drive one of these things. Don't count on government rebates either.