3 stupid myths republicans believe

[Spiderman]

1) Tax cuts pay for themselves.

Wrong. Every dollar lost in revenue is one more dollar the government needs to borrow to pay their bills. It's so obnoxious when repubs complain of gov spending yet are too ignorant to realize tax cutting leads to more borrowing. You think over spending is the only reason for our debt? No, it is also because of Bush's tax cuts.

2) Liberals are socialists/communists

Also wrong. We are talking about fundamental definitions of words here. Saying liberals are socialists is just as stupid as saying conservatives are liberals.

3) The wealthy are not too wealthy.

95% of income gains have gone to the top 5% of earners despite the fact that the lower classes are responsible for most of the productivity. In fact, productivity has grown exponentially in the lower classes since the 30s yet wages have remained flat.

1) Tax cuts do pay for themselves. Perhaps you aren't familiar with the Laffer Curve?

2) Perhaps you weren't watching this then:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRPbCSSXyp0]Meet Joe Plumber/ Obama talks to Joe Plumber (FULL VIDEO) - YouTube[/ame]

3) And what far corner of your backside did you pull this out of? At any rate, the income gap has increased more under this president than any other. Wages have also never remained flat. When the Minimum Wage Act was passed in 1938, it was 25 cents an hour. Fast forward 70 years to 2008, the minimum wage was $7.25 an hour.

We all know that plumber idiot was a plant so let's not take that sound bite seriously.

 

[PeterH]

I dont think anything of those things are true though..

 

[Two Thumbs]

1) Tax cuts pay for themselves.

Wrong. Every dollar lost in revenue is one more dollar the government needs to borrow to pay their bills. It's so obnoxious when repubs complain of gov spending yet are too ignorant to realize tax cutting leads to more borrowing. You think over spending is the only reason for our debt? No, it is also because of Bush's tax cuts. That's why we couple them with spending cuts. shame you're this dumb. Bush tax cuts failed due to increase spending.

2) Liberals are socialists/communists

Also wrong. We are talking about fundamental definitions of words here. Saying liberals are socialists is just as stupid as saying conservatives are liberals. libs voted for a man that bragged he would fundamentally change America. The foundation of America is freedom and liberty. You want a powerful Fed gov, you are ok when civilians are hired and fired by the government. Call it what you want, but you are not liberals any more.

3) The wealthy are not too wealthy.

95% of income gains have gone to the top 5% of earners despite the fact that the lower classes are responsible for most of the productivity. In fact, productivity has grown exponentially in the lower classes since the 30s yet wages have remained flat. this is childish whining that someone else cookie is bigger.

 

[Darkwind]

The Typical usmb conservative response so far.

This has been the typical usmb progressive post and talking points. None of it factual, all of it poorly thought out.

 

[Dutch]

1) Tax cuts pay for themselves.

Wrong. Every dollar lost in revenue is one more dollar the government needs to borrow to pay their bills. It's so obnoxious when repubs complain of gov spending yet are too ignorant to realize tax cutting leads to more borrowing. You think over spending is the only reason for our debt? No, it is also because of Bush's tax cuts.

2) Liberals are socialists/communists

Also wrong. We are talking about fundamental definitions of words here. Saying liberals are socialists is just as stupid as saying conservatives are liberals.

3) The wealthy are not too wealthy.

95% of income gains have gone to the top 5% of earners despite the fact that the lower classes are responsible for most of the productivity. In fact, productivity has grown exponentially in the lower classes since the 30s yet wages have remained flat.

1) They do pay for themselves. You see, if you have more people paying taxes on more economic activity you can actually make MORE money then you currently have. In fact, every time taxes are cut, the economy improves and the treasury brings more money in. It's called the Laffer Curve, look it up.

2) The leadership sure leans that way. Progressives called themselves progressives because they believe in progresing society towards socialism/communism step by step. Through evolution rather than revolution. When progressives were exposed in the 1920s, they scared the heck out of the population and so rebranded themselves as liberals, while traditional "liberal" viewpoints were adopted by conservatives and libertarians.

3) Who the heck are you to determine what too wealthy is? If someone is blessed more for his labor, why should I have a right to force him to pay for what I want to be done? Why should I be angry at my brother because of his success? Rather, I should rejoice in it. And persuade and encourage him to use his resources wisely. But how he ultimately uses it is between him and God. Why do you want to be a robber in your heart?

Question B: A cut in federal income tax rates in the US right now would raise taxable income enough so that the annual total tax revenue would be higher within five years than without the tax cut.




Marianne Bertrand, Darrel Duffie, and Claudia Goldin are the disappointing "uncertain" votes out of the many responses to this question. They should listen to Ed Lazear:

This is the Laffer curve issue. There is little (if any) evidence that rates exceed revenue-maximizing levels. See Mankiw, Feldstein.
Or David Autor:

Not aware of any evidence in recent history where tax cuts actually raise revenue. Sorry, Laffer.
Or Michael Greenstone:

All evidence that I'm aware of suggest that cutting tax rates "marginally" from their current levels would DECREASE revenues, even 5 yrs out
Or Kenneth Judd:

That did not happen in the past. No reason to think it would happen now.
Or Anil Kashyup:

May look plausible on a cocktail napkin (or at a cocktail party), but not true empirically in the US.
Or Pete Klenow:

Not enough time for capital to respond much (physical, human, technology), so it would require implausibly large labor supply elasticities.
Or Robert Hall

See previous question. In addition, few studies suggest we are already at the max of the Laffer curve, though we may be close.
Or Austan Goolsbee:

Moon landing was real. Evolution exists. Tax cuts lose revenue. The reasearch has shown this a thousand times. Enough already.
There are many people who have an interest in making you believe otherwise, but tax cuts are inconsistent with deficit reduction -- they make the deficit problem worse

Economist's View: Laughing at the Laffer Curve

 

[Faun]

Um, 97% of all such statistics are made up on the spot.
In the Bush era the Europeans blamed our low unemployment rate on our high incarceration rate. Your "point" has about as much validity.

Go complain to the BLS that you don't like their statistics, loser.

my god; you're still here embarrassing yourself?

really?

lol

Cries the fucking imbecile who actually blamed Obama for losing 4.5 million Jobs while Bush was president.



Do you even realize that answer revealed you as a dumbfucking rightard?? Or are you actually even dumber than that to comprehend just how flaming stupid your position actually is?

 

[Wry Catcher]

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Willful ignorance ^^^ (or maybe not willful). I suppose as a good liberal my heart should bleed for the stupid - somehow it doesn't, at least not for the jerk above.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The Typical usmb conservative response so far.

None response; I refer to them as idiotgrams.

 

[bedowin62]

it's laughable really; Left-wingers having the gall to question others on what works economically.
Liberal-run cities and states are the most financially insolvent; the economy after more the an TRILLION in "stimulus" under obama sputters along; with companies making record profits but NOT HIRING.
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the Left wants to dismiss their role in it all. Companies await a stable envirnoment; when a community organizer and Dictator-wannebe isnt arbitrarily changing laws duly passed by Congress according to his whim, and the elections chances of Democrats in Congress

 

[Oldstyle]

What Billy and most other liberals struggle with is their concept that wealth is a finite sized pie...in their confused understanding of economics, if one person gets a bigger slice that means that someone else has to get a smaller slice. IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY!!!

Obama's policies have hurt the Middle Class. I know that goes counter to his "message" that he is the champion of the Middle Class but one only has to look at what has happened to them under his stewardship to see that Barack Obama has NOT been a good thing for the Middle Class. They are just now realizing that it is THEY who will be paying for ObamaCare's subsidies with higher healthcare costs. Barry promised that their premiums would be going down and now it's obvious that was a lie told to get ObamaCare passed.

 

[bedowin62]

Go complain to the BLS that you don't like their statistics, loser.

my god; you're still here embarrassing yourself?

really?

lol

Cries the fucking imbecile who actually blamed Obama for losing 4.5 million Jobs while Bush was president.



Do you even realize that answer revealed you as a dumbfucking rightard?? Or are you actually even dumber than that to comprehend just how flaming stupid your position actually is?

lol you poor angry idiot!! obamacare wont cover your coming brain aneurysm you know; why not just hang your angry self now?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

1) Tax cuts pay for themselves.

Wrong. Every dollar lost in revenue is one more dollar the government needs to borrow to pay their bills. It's so obnoxious when repubs complain of gov spending yet are too ignorant to realize tax cutting leads to more borrowing. You think over spending is the only reason for our debt? No, it is also because of Bush's tax cuts.

2) Liberals are socialists/communists

Also wrong. We are talking about fundamental definitions of words here. Saying liberals are socialists is just as stupid as saying conservatives are liberals.

3) The wealthy are not too wealthy.

95% of income gains have gone to the top 5% of earners despite the fact that the lower classes are responsible for most of the productivity. In fact, productivity has grown exponentially in the lower classes since the 30s yet wages have remained flat.

Anyone worrying about tax cuts or spending is ignorant of how the economy works. Our economy is a Ponzi scheme of unprecedented size and scope. And like every Ponzi scheme, if you try to quit feeding into it it all collapses.

Liberals are liberals, socialists are socialists, and communists are communists - that's why they're different words.

I don't spend a great deal of my thinking time wondering about rich people. How rich they are means less to me than how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. I think what pisses people off about rich people if when they whine about taxes. Though I support a flat tax rate applied equally to everyone because that's fair, and progressive taxation isn't, if you're so wealthy you quit play the rest of your life and not suffer, show a little humility when it comes to taxes. And since there's any number of loopholes to avoid paying your taxes it's not like your high tax rates are what you end up actually paying so can it you rich git.

 

[Harry Dresden]

1) Tax cuts pay for themselves.

Wrong. Every dollar lost in revenue is one more dollar the government needs to borrow to pay their bills. It's so obnoxious when repubs complain of gov spending yet are too ignorant to realize tax cutting leads to more borrowing. You think over spending is the only reason for our debt? No, it is also because of Bush's tax cuts.

2) Liberals are socialists/communists

Also wrong. We are talking about fundamental definitions of words here. Saying liberals are socialists is just as stupid as saying conservatives are liberals.

3) The wealthy are not too wealthy.

95% of income gains have gone to the top 5% of earners despite the fact that the lower classes are responsible for most of the productivity. In fact, productivity has grown exponentially in the lower classes since the 30s yet wages have remained flat.

#4. Liberals are stupid, see 1, 2, 3 above.

And yet you can't explain what makes them stupid.

the Far Right and Left are both kinda ignorant for the bullshit they both believe about each other and everybody else.....which is.....if one moron says something....EVERYONE on that side must feel that way.....and if you dont think like i do....fuck you....

 

[bedowin62]

1) Tax cuts pay for themselves.

Wrong. Every dollar lost in revenue is one more dollar the government needs to borrow to pay their bills. It's so obnoxious when repubs complain of gov spending yet are too ignorant to realize tax cutting leads to more borrowing. You think over spending is the only reason for our debt? No, it is also because of Bush's tax cuts.

2) Liberals are socialists/communists

Also wrong. We are talking about fundamental definitions of words here. Saying liberals are socialists is just as stupid as saying conservatives are liberals.

3) The wealthy are not too wealthy.

95% of income gains have gone to the top 5% of earners despite the fact that the lower classes are responsible for most of the productivity. In fact, productivity has grown exponentially in the lower classes since the 30s yet wages have remained flat.

Anyone worrying about tax cuts or spending is ignorant of how the economy works. Our economy is a Ponzi scheme of unprecedented size and scope. And like every Ponzi scheme, if you try to quit feeding into it it all collapses.

Liberals are liberals, socialists are socialists, and communists are communists - that's why they're different words.

I don't spend a great deal of my thinking time wondering about rich people. How rich they are means less to me than how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. I think what pisses people off about rich people if when they whine about taxes. Though I support a flat tax rate applied equally to everyone because that's fair, and progressive taxation isn't, if you're so wealthy you quit play the rest of your life and not suffer, show a little humility when it comes to taxes. And since there's any number of loopholes to avoid paying your taxes it's not like your high tax rates are what you end up actually paying so can it you rich git.

i simply cant take someone seriously who cant bring themselves to spell out religious words; as if some evil demon will be released if you didnt go through the effort to put an underscore in the place of vowels that would spell God or Lord....etc out completely


wow

 

[Faun]

all of the sudden the Left is saying huge numbers of people actually dont want to work. they would be the first to soil themselves in a hissy fit if a Republican said that


idiots and hypocrites

Can you please stop making a complete idiot yourself? Or are you simply not capable of stopping yourself?

It's the Bureau of Labor Statistics making that claim. The BLS is not the "left." I'm just repeating their claim.

 

[Wry Catcher]

1) Tax cuts pay for themselves.

Wrong. Every dollar lost in revenue is one more dollar the government needs to borrow to pay their bills. It's so obnoxious when repubs complain of gov spending yet are too ignorant to realize tax cutting leads to more borrowing. You think over spending is the only reason for our debt? No, it is also because of Bush's tax cuts.

2) Liberals are socialists/communists

Also wrong. We are talking about fundamental definitions of words here. Saying liberals are socialists is just as stupid as saying conservatives are liberals.

3) The wealthy are not too wealthy.

95% of income gains have gone to the top 5% of earners despite the fact that the lower classes are responsible for most of the productivity. In fact, productivity has grown exponentially in the lower classes since the 30s yet wages have remained flat.

1) They do pay for themselves. You see, if you have more people paying taxes on more economic activity you can actually make MORE money then you currently have. In fact, every time taxes are cut, the economy improves and the treasury brings more money in. It's called the Laffer Curve, look it up.

2) The leadership sure leans that way. Progressives called themselves progressives because they believe in progresing society towards socialism/communism step by step. Through evolution rather than revolution. When progressives were exposed in the 1920s, they scared the heck out of the population and so rebranded themselves as liberals, while traditional "liberal" viewpoints were adopted by conservatives and libertarians.

3) Who the heck are you to determine what too wealthy is? If someone is blessed more for his labor, why should I have a right to force him to pay for what I want to be done? Why should I be angry at my brother because of his success? Rather, I should rejoice in it. And persuade and encourage him to use his resources wisely. But how he ultimately uses it is between him and God. Why do you want to be a robber in your heart?

Totally brainwashed ^^^. The 'Laughter' curve is nothing more than an excuse for greed.

I'm not aware of any progressive organization calling for socialism, nor is socialism a gateway to communism; maybe a full brainwash wasn't necessary, a slight rinse was in all probability all that was necessary.

Too wealthy is when the 1% control the means of legislation, when laws benefit the few and not the many. CU v. FEC has taken weakened our democracy and moved us further toward oligarchical control.

As it is written, so it shall be: "The rich will despoil the earth, the air and the water"

 

[bedowin62]

all of the sudden the Left is saying huge numbers of people actually dont want to work. they would be the first to soil themselves in a hissy fit if a Republican said that


idiots and hypocrites

Can you please stop making a complete idiot yourself? Or are you simply not capable of stopping yourself?

It's the Bureau of Labor Statistics making that claim. The BLS is not the "left." I'm just repeating their claim.

LMAO!! you poor loser!!

tsk tsk tsk

seems i've wounded your fragile smug liberal ego; now you are reduced to ankle-biting me with pathetic crybaby stupidity

go hang yourself

 

[Harry Dresden]

Tax cuts done properly promote industry and jobs, so #1 is a lie.

By their beliefs and actions liberals/progressives/lefties or whatever you want to call them tend to be socialistic and communistic, so another lie by the OP.

The richer most people get in industry, the more jobs they help middle class with, so #3 is a stupid remark.

Extreme liberal thinking sucks!

so does extreme Conservative thinking.....

 

[Wildman]

1) Tax cuts pay for themselves.

Wrong. Every dollar lost in revenue is one more dollar the government needs to borrow to pay their bills. It's so obnoxious when repubs complain of gov spending yet are too ignorant to realize tax cutting leads to more borrowing. You think over spending is the only reason for our debt? No, it is also because of Bush's tax cuts.

2) Liberals are socialists/communists

Also wrong. We are talking about fundamental definitions of words here. Saying liberals are socialists is just as stupid as saying conservatives are liberals.

3) The wealthy are not too wealthy.

95% of income gains have gone to the top 5% of earners despite the fact that the lower classes are responsible for most of the productivity. In fact, productivity has grown exponentially in the lower classes since the 30s yet wages have remained flat.

you have no fucking clue as to what Republicans believe

 

[bedowin62]

1) Tax cuts pay for themselves.

Wrong. Every dollar lost in revenue is one more dollar the government needs to borrow to pay their bills. It's so obnoxious when repubs complain of gov spending yet are too ignorant to realize tax cutting leads to more borrowing. You think over spending is the only reason for our debt? No, it is also because of Bush's tax cuts.

2) Liberals are socialists/communists

Also wrong. We are talking about fundamental definitions of words here. Saying liberals are socialists is just as stupid as saying conservatives are liberals.

3) The wealthy are not too wealthy.

95% of income gains have gone to the top 5% of earners despite the fact that the lower classes are responsible for most of the productivity. In fact, productivity has grown exponentially in the lower classes since the 30s yet wages have remained flat.

1) They do pay for themselves. You see, if you have more people paying taxes on more economic activity you can actually make MORE money then you currently have. In fact, every time taxes are cut, the economy improves and the treasury brings more money in. It's called the Laffer Curve, look it up.

2) The leadership sure leans that way. Progressives called themselves progressives because they believe in progresing society towards socialism/communism step by step. Through evolution rather than revolution. When progressives were exposed in the 1920s, they scared the heck out of the population and so rebranded themselves as liberals, while traditional "liberal" viewpoints were adopted by conservatives and libertarians.

3) Who the heck are you to determine what too wealthy is? If someone is blessed more for his labor, why should I have a right to force him to pay for what I want to be done? Why should I be angry at my brother because of his success? Rather, I should rejoice in it. And persuade and encourage him to use his resources wisely. But how he ultimately uses it is between him and God. Why do you want to be a robber in your heart?

Totally brainwashed ^^^. The 'Laughter' curve is nothing more than an excuse for greed.

I'm not aware of any progressive organization calling for socialism, nor is socialism a gateway to communism; maybe a full brainwash wasn't necessary, a slight rinse was in all probability all that was necessary.

Too wealthy is when the 1% control the means of legislation, when laws benefit the few and not the many. CU v. FEC has taken weakened our democracy and moved us further toward oligarchical control.

As it is written, so it shall be: "The rich will despoil the earth, the air and the water"

ironic that the rich are getting much richer then they were before; and at a faster rate; under Progressive Majority rule isnt it?

but then again that is the whole point isnt it?


the poor and Middle Class had it MUCH BETTER when Repubs ran things

true story

ok; now enter the next excuse for PROGRESSIVE FAILURE here___________________