$4,700

[iceberg]

cause you recently said the way i was responding was getting borderline harassment or something like that a few posts ago.

i do think what trump jr said was likely something normal for most politicians. esp since he is *not* one and may or may not have known it was illegal to get that info in such a manner. i've not seen or heard anything else to link them that wasn't going about it in an agenda manner.

i do feel the investigation is part pay back part plan to keep trump busy. what the investigation has found hasn't been related to russia at all but financial issues. if that is what we attack then obama's appointments when he was first elected had around 60% that should have been "investigated" because they were in fact delinquent on many tax issues for many years running.

i think people today are more focused on "revenge" than "justice" and have mixed the 2 to a single outcome.

if we're to take comments in e-mail to justify investigating someone, then why is the same focus not being placed on the DNC e-mails and all that it revealed that were, to me, much worse than "sure i'll take that bad info..." from trump jr.

rest assured i can keep the bulldog going and dig, but you don't like it when i do and since my goal isn't to piss you off i stopped doing that is all.

And you quite cleverly got in the last word, too, but I will still be the "gentleman" here and not continue to debate it since you say you don't want to. Although you keep it up.

i never said i didn't want to debate it.

i said i didn't want to make you mad at me. again. as for having to get the last word in - sorry. i thought we were having a conversation and replying back and forth is traditionally part of that. for example, you said:

"Well, the Russians failed because I don't hate you. I don't understand how you can argue in one post that the investigation was unwarranted and in the next point out how the Russians have set us against each other in a destructive cycle of accusations and reprisals, becoming less and less based in reality."

and since you were misinterpreting what i said and why i feel the way i do, i explained. that's it. you keep making this a me vs. you while i'm trying to NOT make it that way.

and the russians trolled us to pit us against each other. yes. is that illegal? not as far as i know. should we investigate trump cause of it?

no. not on what little we have to actually link the 2. a music producers e-mail and a lawyers meeting and wa-la. years of investigations. i think that was a waste of time. we know how they did it and where they did it.

why is what anyone wants to make of it at this point.

So dumb.

Russia had no affect on the election.

Folks in our own intelligence agencies, and folks in the DNC that really knew what a danger HRC was, leaked damaging files to Wikileaks.

Americans found out the truth about who she is, and decided to take a chance on a buffoonish carnival entertainer with a spotty track record of success in business over a known corrupt politician that had proven documents on Wikileaks to back up that corruption.

All of the corporate press denials of that corruption, all of the investigations by the government of how that documentation ended up in the public domain is NOT going to change the public opinion of the fact that HRC is a slimy corrupt politician.

Folks know that truth, they will not be gas lighted into believing the emperor has clothes on at this point.

To me, who won the election is beside the point.

It's like I told you before the election, your vote doesn't really matter anyway, so why do you care?

No matter who won, the wars would continue, and nothing would change anyway. So who cares?

Our votes don't matter? If Hillary were President, do you really think we would be withdrawing, bit by bit from the UN? Would we have pulled out of the Iran Nuclear Deal? Would we have refused to sign the Paris Climate Accords? Would we have cut immigration and refugees into this country at a time when there is such need for safe havens?

Votes do matter.

i'm fine with pulling out of the UN. we've become the world police and i am not a fan of that at all.

i'm fine with pulling out of nuke deals with iran when they have shown they are NOT following through. just as i would be for n korea if they keep that shit up.

paris climate accord? that was a global money grab with zero accountability put into it.

safe havens? again - why are we the united way of the world? we've got many of our own local issues we need to focus on.

so you agree with Putin on every thing, and not our allies?

that's good to know....

where in the holy fucksticks did this bag of crap come from?

oh, hey care4all. i see you're back getting shit wrong again.

 

[jc456]

So dumb.

Russia had no affect on the election.

Folks in our own intelligence agencies, and folks in the DNC that really knew what a danger HRC was, leaked damaging files to Wikileaks.

Americans found out the truth about who she is, and decided to take a chance on a buffoonish carnival entertainer with a spotty track record of success in business over a known corrupt politician that had proven documents on Wikileaks to back up that corruption.

All of the corporate press denials of that corruption, all of the investigations by the government of how that documentation ended up in the public domain is NOT going to change the public opinion of the fact that HRC is a slimy corrupt politician.

Folks know that truth, they will not be gas lighted into believing the emperor has clothes on at this point.

To me, who won the election is beside the point.

So? What is the point? That you believe that Trump and the Rooskies "cheated" by exposing the cheating of the DNC....and that's unfair and cheating?????

The Russians stole personal information and broadcast it. That's illegal. No different than Watergate except it was done in cyberworld. It was stealing, not "cheating."

What proof do you have? And what "stealing" is it that you believe the ROOSKIES got that hurt the Hildebeast so badly that she blamed her defeat on them and this alleged hacking of their server?

BTW, did you even READ some of the e-mails?????? The damning ones showing corruption, collusion with the lamestream media and usurping of the nomination process that Wasserman had to resign because of it?

BTW, don't you have a problem with the Hildbeast getting the debate questions ahead of time????

can just as easily flip this and say why are you after hillary yet, not after trump jr, for illegal activities disclosed in e-mail?

we *all* tend to see things to support our views, not change them.

Again, collusion isn’t a crime. And old woman lost this round..

Still hasn’t produced the law broken. Hitlery had her pcs bleach bitted while under subpoena. That’s a crime. So there is a difference

 

[MisterBeale]

then we're back to "what law was broken by trumps camp and by what action".

if you're going to say they worked with a foreign agent then how was the russian lawyer an official russian agent? we'll leave steele out for now and just help me understand this part because if she isn't then no law was broken.

i am NOT defending trump. he's an ass. but i don't let my thoughts of him as a person change what i view to be right or wrong.

I already said Trump Jr. didn't break any laws--remember "saved his sorry ass?" I am having trouble figuring out why you are so insistent that I think there were laws broken there.

so - if no laws were broken, do you support the investigation?

if not, pretty much done. if so, on what basis?

Oh, I believe the investigation into Russian intervention in our Presidential election and the possibility of Americans willingly involved in it is clearly called for.
I felt Don's emails that I quoted above are the smoking gun of the campaign's attitude and it would not surprise me if some of them actually get caught doing something illegal. But it's a hard thing to prove, conspiracy. So I'm not really expecting that, either.

and the attitude is that they would accept help from a foreign government - in this case russia.

the series of events that played out from that mail didn't evolve into anything illegal at all, much less actual information passed on. no russian gov official was involved in any of this other than their name mentioned but the "sure i'll take that" is enough to base multi-year long investigations over "just in case" something was there.

i can relate as i feel hillary (for example) has much more than "sure i'll take that" against her and she needs to be in jail. but proven? well no one has done it yet and lucy keeps pulling the football away.

to me, it's these very different viewpoints over similar topics the russians exploited against us to get us to hate each other. they skewed how we reference in as much as what info we reference as well. nothing illegal as far as i know and something *we* need to be aware of and put the emotions they're trying to stir away and focus on what we can prove, not what we feel.

Well, the Russians failed because I don't hate you. I don't understand how you can argue in one post that the investigation was unwarranted and in the next point out how the Russians have set us against each other in a destructive cycle of accusations and reprisals, becoming less and less based in reality.

I have faith that our Intelligence Agencies know what they are doing. Apparently you don't. I believe they have very good evidence that Russia did the hacking of the DNC and that they, through a middle man, supplied it to Wikileaks. There was a whole lot of "forgetting" about meetings with and doings with Russians by the members of the Trump campaign. Maybe it's coincidence or a tempest in a teapot, over and over again. There were many reasons for the investigation, not just the Trump Tower meeting. Let's not forget that there was no Special Investigation until Trump fired the Director of the FBI and told Russians the next day that he had cleared up "that problem."
There were lots of good reasons for the investigation and whatever they come up with will be interesting, I'm sure.

Damn you are so idealistic and naive. It is really quaint. I love your heart of gold.

The establishment doesn't give a shit about the people, it only cares about itself.

Spooks and the Masked Media
Spooks and the Masked Media
". . . . A common retort is that it is absurd to suggest that The New York Times, The Washington Post, Fox News, CNN, etc. are just disseminating propaganda from behind a mask of objectivity. And it is that small word “just” that reveals the falsity of the reply. For obviously these media organizations report truthfully on certain matters. For if they didn’t, their lies would not work. But when it comes to crucial matters of foreign or domestic policy – matters that involve the controlling interests of the elites – lies and deceptions are the rule.

Yes, Trump is a narcissistic mana personality who has entranced and mystified his hard core followers. But to think he is the only hypnotist on the stage is childish beyond belief. The psychoanalyst Sandor Ferenczi observed that people are so susceptible to returning to an imaginary childhood through hypnotic trances because “In our innermost soul we are still children, and we remain so throughout life.” Like the little children who go trick-or-treating dressed up as ghosts, witches, or grim reapers, adults too fear death and are easily induced to believe god-like authorities who will quell their fears and ostensibly explain to them who the good and bad guys are.

Like parents with children, the masked media magicians play the good cop/bad cop game with great success. Obama was a god; Trump, the devil. Trump is a savior; Obama, a destroyer. This charade is so obvious that it’s not. But that’s how the play is played. At the moment, all eyes are on Trump, who commands center stage. And those obsessively transfixed eyes are staring out of the heads of people of all political persuasions, those that love and those that loathe the man and all he stands for. And who has created this obsession but none other than our friends in the corporate media, the same people who gave us Obama-mania.


Meanwhile, back stage…it’s a wonderful life. . . . "

 

[iceberg]

To me, who won the election is beside the point.

So? What is the point? That you believe that Trump and the Rooskies "cheated" by exposing the cheating of the DNC....and that's unfair and cheating?????

The Russians stole personal information and broadcast it. That's illegal. No different than Watergate except it was done in cyberworld. It was stealing, not "cheating."

What proof do you have? And what "stealing" is it that you believe the ROOSKIES got that hurt the Hildebeast so badly that she blamed her defeat on them and this alleged hacking of their server?

BTW, did you even READ some of the e-mails?????? The damning ones showing corruption, collusion with the lamestream media and usurping of the nomination process that Wasserman had to resign because of it?

BTW, don't you have a problem with the Hildbeast getting the debate questions ahead of time????

can just as easily flip this and say why are you after hillary yet, not after trump jr, for illegal activities disclosed in e-mail?

we *all* tend to see things to support our views, not change them.

Again, collusion isn’t a crime. And old woman lost this round..

Still hasn’t produced the law broken. Hitlery had her pcs bleach bitted while under subpoena. That’s a crime. So there is a difference

as much as i get frustrated trying to talk to her w/o it turning into jabs, i still can't see where she said any laws were broken. she said the mail was suspicious and warranted looking into.

 

[jc456]

So? What is the point? That you believe that Trump and the Rooskies "cheated" by exposing the cheating of the DNC....and that's unfair and cheating?????

The Russians stole personal information and broadcast it. That's illegal. No different than Watergate except it was done in cyberworld. It was stealing, not "cheating."

What proof do you have? And what "stealing" is it that you believe the ROOSKIES got that hurt the Hildebeast so badly that she blamed her defeat on them and this alleged hacking of their server?

BTW, did you even READ some of the e-mails?????? The damning ones showing corruption, collusion with the lamestream media and usurping of the nomination process that Wasserman had to resign because of it?

BTW, don't you have a problem with the Hildbeast getting the debate questions ahead of time????

can just as easily flip this and say why are you after hillary yet, not after trump jr, for illegal activities disclosed in e-mail?

we *all* tend to see things to support our views, not change them.

Again, collusion isn’t a crime. And old woman lost this round..

Still hasn’t produced the law broken. Hitlery had her pcs bleach bitted while under subpoena. That’s a crime. So there is a difference

as much as i get frustrated trying to talk to her w/o it turning into jabs, i still can't see where she said any laws were broken. she said the mail was suspicious and warranted looking into.

How would she know if he wasn’t being spied on? That’s illegal! And like you state isn’t illegal for a private citizen to answer emails. I’m totally confused with her point she can’t seem to make.

She needs to give some justification for the investigation. Still nadda

 

[MisterBeale]

you see - i ask these questions so i don't make assumptions like you're doing to me here.

but like i said - if this is going to a bad place then i'll stop cause i know i can bulldog on things.

Okay. I don't see why you think it's going to a "bad place," but if it's making you uncomfortable, we'll call it a draw.

cause you recently said the way i was responding was getting borderline harassment or something like that a few posts ago.

i do think what trump jr said was likely something normal for most politicians. esp since he is *not* one and may or may not have known it was illegal to get that info in such a manner. i've not seen or heard anything else to link them that wasn't going about it in an agenda manner.

i do feel the investigation is part pay back part plan to keep trump busy. what the investigation has found hasn't been related to russia at all but financial issues. if that is what we attack then obama's appointments when he was first elected had around 60% that should have been "investigated" because they were in fact delinquent on many tax issues for many years running.

i think people today are more focused on "revenge" than "justice" and have mixed the 2 to a single outcome.

if we're to take comments in e-mail to justify investigating someone, then why is the same focus not being placed on the DNC e-mails and all that it revealed that were, to me, much worse than "sure i'll take that bad info..." from trump jr.

rest assured i can keep the bulldog going and dig, but you don't like it when i do and since my goal isn't to piss you off i stopped doing that is all.

And you quite cleverly got in the last word, too, but I will still be the "gentleman" here and not continue to debate it since you say you don't want to. Although you keep it up.

i never said i didn't want to debate it.

i said i didn't want to make you mad at me. again. as for having to get the last word in - sorry. i thought we were having a conversation and replying back and forth is traditionally part of that. for example, you said:

"Well, the Russians failed because I don't hate you. I don't understand how you can argue in one post that the investigation was unwarranted and in the next point out how the Russians have set us against each other in a destructive cycle of accusations and reprisals, becoming less and less based in reality."

and since you were misinterpreting what i said and why i feel the way i do, i explained. that's it. you keep making this a me vs. you while i'm trying to NOT make it that way.

and the russians trolled us to pit us against each other. yes. is that illegal? not as far as i know. should we investigate trump cause of it?

no. not on what little we have to actually link the 2. a music producers e-mail and a lawyers meeting and wa-la. years of investigations. i think that was a waste of time. we know how they did it and where they did it.

why is what anyone wants to make of it at this point.

100% pure Russian PROPAGANDA..... HOW can you and other USMB right wing members not recognize this...? It's in-explainable HOW LITTLE you all know and truly ignorant you guys are on this topic??? BLOWS MY MIND!!! For very very little money in advertising, the Russians found a way through trolls and Bots to spread those ads to hundreds of millions of people...

Five Takeaways From New Reports on Russia’s Social Media Operations


All of the emphasis on Facebook has obscured the huge role of Instagram, as well as the Russian activity on many smaller platforms.
Most of the early media coverage of the Russian campaign focused on Facebook. The New Knowledge report argues that the Internet Research Agency’s presence on Instagram, which is owned by Facebook, has been underestimated and may have been as effective or even more effective than its Facebook effort. The report says there were 187 million engagements on Instagram — users “liking” or sharing the content created in Russia — compared with 76.5 million engagements on Facebook.

“Our assessment is that Instagram is likely to be a key battleground on an ongoing basis,” the report concludes.

Both reports note that there was hardly a social platform, however obscure, that the Internet Research Agency did not invade: Reddit, Google+, Vine, Gab, Meetup, Pinterest, Tumblr and more. The Russian trolls even created a podcast on SoundCloud.



Why are we still talking about this more than two years after the election?
Russia had used similar online influence tactics inside Russian borders and in neighboring countries, including Estonia, Georgia and Ukraine. But the campaign against the United States in 2016 was historic on several counts: It was the first major foreign influence campaign aimed at affecting a presidential election; it was the biggest influence operation ever to be aimed at Americans from another country; and it was the biggest attack ever — using virtual, not physical weapons — on the United States by its old Cold War adversary, albeit slimmed down from the Soviet Union to Russia alone. It will be studied for years.

It is impossible to measure what effect the Russian campaign — along with the hacking and leaking of Democratic emails — had on the outcome of the very close 2016 election. But some political scientists believe it may have won the presidency for Donald J. Trump — a remarkable conclusion, even if it cannot be proved or disproved.

Inevitably, some American political operatives are learning from Russia’s example, testing the tools of chicanery in their online operations. So the Internet Research Agency may have taught a new generation of tricksters how to swing an election in the cyberage.

Well done, my dear.

Russia colluded with Trump to steal the election by spending a whopping $4,700. LOL!

The gaslighting of some Americans is too easy.

‘4,700 on Google ads – that’s it? We never found evidence of Russian collusion’
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‘4,700 on Google ads – that’s it? We never found evidence of Russian collusion’

100% pure Russian PROPAGANDA..... HOW can you and other USMB right wing members not recognize this...? It's in-explainable HOW LITTLE you all know and truly ignorant you guys are on this topic??? BLOWS MY MIND!!! For very very little money in advertising, the Russians found a way through trolls and Bots to spread those ads to hundreds of millions of people...

Five Takeaways From New Reports on Russia’s Social Media Operations


All of the emphasis on Facebook has obscured the huge role of Instagram, as well as the Russian activity on many smaller platforms.
Most of the early media coverage of the Russian campaign focused on Facebook. The New Knowledge report argues that the Internet Research Agency’s presence on Instagram, which is owned by Facebook, has been underestimated and may have been as effective or even more effective than its Facebook effort. The report says there were 187 million engagements on Instagram — users “liking” or sharing the content created in Russia — compared with 76.5 million engagements on Facebook.

“Our assessment is that Instagram is likely to be a key battleground on an ongoing basis,” the report concludes.

Both reports note that there was hardly a social platform, however obscure, that the Internet Research Agency did not invade: Reddit, Google+, Vine, Gab, Meetup, Pinterest, Tumblr and more. The Russian trolls even created a podcast on SoundCloud.



Why are we still talking about this more than two years after the election?
Russia had used similar online influence tactics inside Russian borders and in neighboring countries, including Estonia, Georgia and Ukraine. But the campaign against the United States in 2016 was historic on several counts: It was the first major foreign influence campaign aimed at affecting a presidential election; it was the biggest influence operation ever to be aimed at Americans from another country; and it was the biggest attack ever — using virtual, not physical weapons — on the United States by its old Cold War adversary, albeit slimmed down from the Soviet Union to Russia alone. It will be studied for years.

It is impossible to measure what effect the Russian campaign — along with the hacking and leaking of Democratic emails — had on the outcome of the very close 2016 election. But some political scientists believe it may have won the presidency for Donald J. Trump — a remarkable conclusion, even if it cannot be proved or disproved.

Inevitably, some American political operatives are learning from Russia’s example, testing the tools of chicanery in their online operations. So the Internet Research Agency may have taught a new generation of tricksters how to swing an election in the cyberage.

So dumb.

Russia had no affect on the election.

Folks in our own intelligence agencies, and folks in the DNC that really knew what a danger HRC was, leaked damaging files to Wikileaks.

Americans found out the truth about who she is, and decided to take a chance on a buffoonish carnival entertainer with a spotty track record of success in business over a known corrupt politician that had proven documents on Wikileaks to back up that corruption.

All of the corporate press denials of that corruption, all of the investigations by the government of how that documentation ended up in the public domain is NOT going to change the public opinion of the fact that HRC is a slimy corrupt politician.

Folks know that truth, they will not be gas lighted into believing the emperor has clothes on at this point.

To me, who won the election is beside the point.

It's like I told you before the election, your vote doesn't really matter anyway, so why do you care?

No matter who won, the wars would continue, and nothing would change anyway. So who cares?

Our votes don't matter? If Hillary were President, do you really think we would be withdrawing, bit by bit from the UN? Would we have pulled out of the Iran Nuclear Deal? Would we have refused to sign the Paris Climate Accords? Would we have cut immigration and refugees into this country at a time when there is such need for safe havens?

Votes do matter.

Do you notice how every single thing you listed is what the Corporate media has told are the things that are on the CFR and the globalist wish list?

It's like you knocked on the Bilderberg Meeting hotel door or Ted Turner's house and said, in a right proper Oliver Twist voice, " 'scuse me sir, what can I give you with my last dying breath?"

Do you have any strength or ability to live or think for yourself? Is there any thought in your head that wasn't put there by the TEE VEE or the NYT?

 

[MisterBeale]

cause you recently said the way i was responding was getting borderline harassment or something like that a few posts ago.

i do think what trump jr said was likely something normal for most politicians. esp since he is *not* one and may or may not have known it was illegal to get that info in such a manner. i've not seen or heard anything else to link them that wasn't going about it in an agenda manner.

i do feel the investigation is part pay back part plan to keep trump busy. what the investigation has found hasn't been related to russia at all but financial issues. if that is what we attack then obama's appointments when he was first elected had around 60% that should have been "investigated" because they were in fact delinquent on many tax issues for many years running.

i think people today are more focused on "revenge" than "justice" and have mixed the 2 to a single outcome.

if we're to take comments in e-mail to justify investigating someone, then why is the same focus not being placed on the DNC e-mails and all that it revealed that were, to me, much worse than "sure i'll take that bad info..." from trump jr.

rest assured i can keep the bulldog going and dig, but you don't like it when i do and since my goal isn't to piss you off i stopped doing that is all.

And you quite cleverly got in the last word, too, but I will still be the "gentleman" here and not continue to debate it since you say you don't want to. Although you keep it up.

i never said i didn't want to debate it.

i said i didn't want to make you mad at me. again. as for having to get the last word in - sorry. i thought we were having a conversation and replying back and forth is traditionally part of that. for example, you said:

"Well, the Russians failed because I don't hate you. I don't understand how you can argue in one post that the investigation was unwarranted and in the next point out how the Russians have set us against each other in a destructive cycle of accusations and reprisals, becoming less and less based in reality."

and since you were misinterpreting what i said and why i feel the way i do, i explained. that's it. you keep making this a me vs. you while i'm trying to NOT make it that way.

and the russians trolled us to pit us against each other. yes. is that illegal? not as far as i know. should we investigate trump cause of it?

no. not on what little we have to actually link the 2. a music producers e-mail and a lawyers meeting and wa-la. years of investigations. i think that was a waste of time. we know how they did it and where they did it.

why is what anyone wants to make of it at this point.

So dumb.

Russia had no affect on the election.

Folks in our own intelligence agencies, and folks in the DNC that really knew what a danger HRC was, leaked damaging files to Wikileaks.

Americans found out the truth about who she is, and decided to take a chance on a buffoonish carnival entertainer with a spotty track record of success in business over a known corrupt politician that had proven documents on Wikileaks to back up that corruption.

All of the corporate press denials of that corruption, all of the investigations by the government of how that documentation ended up in the public domain is NOT going to change the public opinion of the fact that HRC is a slimy corrupt politician.

Folks know that truth, they will not be gas lighted into believing the emperor has clothes on at this point.

To me, who won the election is beside the point.

It's like I told you before the election, your vote doesn't really matter anyway, so why do you care?

No matter who won, the wars would continue, and nothing would change anyway. So who cares?

Our votes don't matter? If Hillary were President, do you really think we would be withdrawing, bit by bit from the UN? Would we have pulled out of the Iran Nuclear Deal? Would we have refused to sign the Paris Climate Accords? Would we have cut immigration and refugees into this country at a time when there is such need for safe havens?

Votes do matter.

i'm fine with pulling out of the UN. we've become the world police and i am not a fan of that at all.

i'm fine with pulling out of nuke deals with iran when they have shown they are NOT following through. just as i would be for n korea if they keep that shit up.

paris climate accord? that was a global money grab with zero accountability put into it.

safe havens? again - why are we the united way of the world? we've got many of our own local issues we need to focus on.

so you agree with Putin on every thing, and not our allies?

that's good to know....

We have no allies, just fellow slaves and other slave masters.

 

[iceberg]

Okay. I don't see why you think it's going to a "bad place," but if it's making you uncomfortable, we'll call it a draw.

cause you recently said the way i was responding was getting borderline harassment or something like that a few posts ago.

i do think what trump jr said was likely something normal for most politicians. esp since he is *not* one and may or may not have known it was illegal to get that info in such a manner. i've not seen or heard anything else to link them that wasn't going about it in an agenda manner.

i do feel the investigation is part pay back part plan to keep trump busy. what the investigation has found hasn't been related to russia at all but financial issues. if that is what we attack then obama's appointments when he was first elected had around 60% that should have been "investigated" because they were in fact delinquent on many tax issues for many years running.

i think people today are more focused on "revenge" than "justice" and have mixed the 2 to a single outcome.

if we're to take comments in e-mail to justify investigating someone, then why is the same focus not being placed on the DNC e-mails and all that it revealed that were, to me, much worse than "sure i'll take that bad info..." from trump jr.

rest assured i can keep the bulldog going and dig, but you don't like it when i do and since my goal isn't to piss you off i stopped doing that is all.

And you quite cleverly got in the last word, too, but I will still be the "gentleman" here and not continue to debate it since you say you don't want to. Although you keep it up.

i never said i didn't want to debate it.

i said i didn't want to make you mad at me. again. as for having to get the last word in - sorry. i thought we were having a conversation and replying back and forth is traditionally part of that. for example, you said:

"Well, the Russians failed because I don't hate you. I don't understand how you can argue in one post that the investigation was unwarranted and in the next point out how the Russians have set us against each other in a destructive cycle of accusations and reprisals, becoming less and less based in reality."

and since you were misinterpreting what i said and why i feel the way i do, i explained. that's it. you keep making this a me vs. you while i'm trying to NOT make it that way.

and the russians trolled us to pit us against each other. yes. is that illegal? not as far as i know. should we investigate trump cause of it?

no. not on what little we have to actually link the 2. a music producers e-mail and a lawyers meeting and wa-la. years of investigations. i think that was a waste of time. we know how they did it and where they did it.

why is what anyone wants to make of it at this point.

Well done, my dear.

100% pure Russian PROPAGANDA..... HOW can you and other USMB right wing members not recognize this...? It's in-explainable HOW LITTLE you all know and truly ignorant you guys are on this topic??? BLOWS MY MIND!!! For very very little money in advertising, the Russians found a way through trolls and Bots to spread those ads to hundreds of millions of people...

Five Takeaways From New Reports on Russia’s Social Media Operations


All of the emphasis on Facebook has obscured the huge role of Instagram, as well as the Russian activity on many smaller platforms.
Most of the early media coverage of the Russian campaign focused on Facebook. The New Knowledge report argues that the Internet Research Agency’s presence on Instagram, which is owned by Facebook, has been underestimated and may have been as effective or even more effective than its Facebook effort. The report says there were 187 million engagements on Instagram — users “liking” or sharing the content created in Russia — compared with 76.5 million engagements on Facebook.

“Our assessment is that Instagram is likely to be a key battleground on an ongoing basis,” the report concludes.

Both reports note that there was hardly a social platform, however obscure, that the Internet Research Agency did not invade: Reddit, Google+, Vine, Gab, Meetup, Pinterest, Tumblr and more. The Russian trolls even created a podcast on SoundCloud.



Why are we still talking about this more than two years after the election?
Russia had used similar online influence tactics inside Russian borders and in neighboring countries, including Estonia, Georgia and Ukraine. But the campaign against the United States in 2016 was historic on several counts: It was the first major foreign influence campaign aimed at affecting a presidential election; it was the biggest influence operation ever to be aimed at Americans from another country; and it was the biggest attack ever — using virtual, not physical weapons — on the United States by its old Cold War adversary, albeit slimmed down from the Soviet Union to Russia alone. It will be studied for years.

It is impossible to measure what effect the Russian campaign — along with the hacking and leaking of Democratic emails — had on the outcome of the very close 2016 election. But some political scientists believe it may have won the presidency for Donald J. Trump — a remarkable conclusion, even if it cannot be proved or disproved.

Inevitably, some American political operatives are learning from Russia’s example, testing the tools of chicanery in their online operations. So the Internet Research Agency may have taught a new generation of tricksters how to swing an election in the cyberage.

So dumb.

Russia had no affect on the election.

Folks in our own intelligence agencies, and folks in the DNC that really knew what a danger HRC was, leaked damaging files to Wikileaks.

Americans found out the truth about who she is, and decided to take a chance on a buffoonish carnival entertainer with a spotty track record of success in business over a known corrupt politician that had proven documents on Wikileaks to back up that corruption.

All of the corporate press denials of that corruption, all of the investigations by the government of how that documentation ended up in the public domain is NOT going to change the public opinion of the fact that HRC is a slimy corrupt politician.

Folks know that truth, they will not be gas lighted into believing the emperor has clothes on at this point.

To me, who won the election is beside the point.

It's like I told you before the election, your vote doesn't really matter anyway, so why do you care?

No matter who won, the wars would continue, and nothing would change anyway. So who cares?

Our votes don't matter? If Hillary were President, do you really think we would be withdrawing, bit by bit from the UN? Would we have pulled out of the Iran Nuclear Deal? Would we have refused to sign the Paris Climate Accords? Would we have cut immigration and refugees into this country at a time when there is such need for safe havens?

Votes do matter.

Do you notice how every single thing you listed is what the Corporate media has told are the things that are on the CFR and the globalist wish list?

It's like you knocked on the Bilderberg Meeting hotel door or Ted Turner's house and said, in a right proper Oliver Twist voice, " 'scuse me sir, what can I give you with my last dying breath?"

Do you have any strength or ability to live or think for yourself? Is there any thought in your head that wasn't put there by the TEE VEE or the NYT?

near as i can tell, she does what most people do - feel a certain way about something and then finds the "news" to justify the feeling. she's far from alone in that regard these days.

that's why the news is such a clusterfuck anymore.

 

[Dale Smith]

cause you recently said the way i was responding was getting borderline harassment or something like that a few posts ago.

i do think what trump jr said was likely something normal for most politicians. esp since he is *not* one and may or may not have known it was illegal to get that info in such a manner. i've not seen or heard anything else to link them that wasn't going about it in an agenda manner.

i do feel the investigation is part pay back part plan to keep trump busy. what the investigation has found hasn't been related to russia at all but financial issues. if that is what we attack then obama's appointments when he was first elected had around 60% that should have been "investigated" because they were in fact delinquent on many tax issues for many years running.

i think people today are more focused on "revenge" than "justice" and have mixed the 2 to a single outcome.

if we're to take comments in e-mail to justify investigating someone, then why is the same focus not being placed on the DNC e-mails and all that it revealed that were, to me, much worse than "sure i'll take that bad info..." from trump jr.

rest assured i can keep the bulldog going and dig, but you don't like it when i do and since my goal isn't to piss you off i stopped doing that is all.

And you quite cleverly got in the last word, too, but I will still be the "gentleman" here and not continue to debate it since you say you don't want to. Although you keep it up.

i never said i didn't want to debate it.

i said i didn't want to make you mad at me. again. as for having to get the last word in - sorry. i thought we were having a conversation and replying back and forth is traditionally part of that. for example, you said:

"Well, the Russians failed because I don't hate you. I don't understand how you can argue in one post that the investigation was unwarranted and in the next point out how the Russians have set us against each other in a destructive cycle of accusations and reprisals, becoming less and less based in reality."

and since you were misinterpreting what i said and why i feel the way i do, i explained. that's it. you keep making this a me vs. you while i'm trying to NOT make it that way.

and the russians trolled us to pit us against each other. yes. is that illegal? not as far as i know. should we investigate trump cause of it?

no. not on what little we have to actually link the 2. a music producers e-mail and a lawyers meeting and wa-la. years of investigations. i think that was a waste of time. we know how they did it and where they did it.

why is what anyone wants to make of it at this point.

So dumb.

Russia had no affect on the election.

Folks in our own intelligence agencies, and folks in the DNC that really knew what a danger HRC was, leaked damaging files to Wikileaks.

Americans found out the truth about who she is, and decided to take a chance on a buffoonish carnival entertainer with a spotty track record of success in business over a known corrupt politician that had proven documents on Wikileaks to back up that corruption.

All of the corporate press denials of that corruption, all of the investigations by the government of how that documentation ended up in the public domain is NOT going to change the public opinion of the fact that HRC is a slimy corrupt politician.

Folks know that truth, they will not be gas lighted into believing the emperor has clothes on at this point.

To me, who won the election is beside the point.

It's like I told you before the election, your vote doesn't really matter anyway, so why do you care?

No matter who won, the wars would continue, and nothing would change anyway. So who cares?

Our votes don't matter? If Hillary were President, do you really think we would be withdrawing, bit by bit from the UN? Would we have pulled out of the Iran Nuclear Deal? Would we have refused to sign the Paris Climate Accords? Would we have cut immigration and refugees into this country at a time when there is such need for safe havens?

Votes do matter.

i'm fine with pulling out of the UN. we've become the world police and i am not a fan of that at all.

i'm fine with pulling out of nuke deals with iran when they have shown they are NOT following through. just as i would be for n korea if they keep that shit up.

paris climate accord? that was a global money grab with zero accountability put into it.

safe havens? again - why are we the united way of the world? we've got many of our own local issues we need to focus on.

so you agree with Putin on every thing, and not our allies?

that's good to know....

Our allies are controlled by the same banking oligarchs that control USA.INC.
Your beloved "gubermint" is nothing but a massive corporation masquerading as a legitimate "for profit" successor to contract to provide the 19 enumerated services per their corporate charter constitution that made the District of Columbia the headquarters of USA.INC. That is the big secret that they have been hiding and it's the big lie they have been telling since 1871. Politics on the federal level is all theater. They simply give off the illusion that they are "fighting for the American people". I have to fight back the urge to spew chunks every time I witness one of their bad plays. Since America was actually incorporated in 1871 and bankrupted in 1933 (Chapter 11). James Garfield said "Whosoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce... And when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate." Garfield made that statement in 1881 and within weeks of releasing this statement President Garfield was assassinated. The banking oligarchs killed Lincoln, Garfield and Kennedy...tried to kill Andrew Jackson twice. The money collected for S.S as well as income taxes is collected by this banking cabal. The ones that run USA.INC has used the surplus to pay interest on credit created out of thin air.....and that is a fact.

The money stolen from Social Security is in the form of fancy government/corporate I.O.Us. Remember the movie "Dumb and Dumber" where Lloyd and Harry spend all the ransom money and replace it with receipts of the money they spent trying to find Holly? They say with a straight face "Those I.O.Us are as good as money, sir.....oh, here is an I.O.U for 150K...might wanna hang on to that one".
You have been chumped and if Trump isn't in on this bad theater, at least we have bought some time...if he is simply playing a part? We are not any worse off because of it......simply stating fact.

 

[MisterBeale]

100% pure Russian PROPAGANDA..... HOW can you and other USMB right wing members not recognize this...? It's in-explainable HOW LITTLE you all know and truly ignorant you guys are on this topic??? BLOWS MY MIND!!! For very very little money in advertising, the Russians found a way through trolls and Bots to spread those ads to hundreds of millions of people...

Five Takeaways From New Reports on Russia’s Social Media Operations


All of the emphasis on Facebook has obscured the huge role of Instagram, as well as the Russian activity on many smaller platforms.
Most of the early media coverage of the Russian campaign focused on Facebook. The New Knowledge report argues that the Internet Research Agency’s presence on Instagram, which is owned by Facebook, has been underestimated and may have been as effective or even more effective than its Facebook effort. The report says there were 187 million engagements on Instagram — users “liking” or sharing the content created in Russia — compared with 76.5 million engagements on Facebook.

“Our assessment is that Instagram is likely to be a key battleground on an ongoing basis,” the report concludes.

Both reports note that there was hardly a social platform, however obscure, that the Internet Research Agency did not invade: Reddit, Google+, Vine, Gab, Meetup, Pinterest, Tumblr and more. The Russian trolls even created a podcast on SoundCloud.



Why are we still talking about this more than two years after the election?
Russia had used similar online influence tactics inside Russian borders and in neighboring countries, including Estonia, Georgia and Ukraine. But the campaign against the United States in 2016 was historic on several counts: It was the first major foreign influence campaign aimed at affecting a presidential election; it was the biggest influence operation ever to be aimed at Americans from another country; and it was the biggest attack ever — using virtual, not physical weapons — on the United States by its old Cold War adversary, albeit slimmed down from the Soviet Union to Russia alone. It will be studied for years.

It is impossible to measure what effect the Russian campaign — along with the hacking and leaking of Democratic emails — had on the outcome of the very close 2016 election. But some political scientists believe it may have won the presidency for Donald J. Trump — a remarkable conclusion, even if it cannot be proved or disproved.

Inevitably, some American political operatives are learning from Russia’s example, testing the tools of chicanery in their online operations. So the Internet Research Agency may have taught a new generation of tricksters how to swing an election in the cyberage.

Well done, my dear.

Russia colluded with Trump to steal the election by spending a whopping $4,700. LOL!

The gaslighting of some Americans is too easy.

‘4,700 on Google ads – that’s it? We never found evidence of Russian collusion’
View attachment 238085
‘4,700 on Google ads – that’s it? We never found evidence of Russian collusion’

100% pure Russian PROPAGANDA..... HOW can you and other USMB right wing members not recognize this...? It's in-explainable HOW LITTLE you all know and truly ignorant you guys are on this topic??? BLOWS MY MIND!!! For very very little money in advertising, the Russians found a way through trolls and Bots to spread those ads to hundreds of millions of people...

Five Takeaways From New Reports on Russia’s Social Media Operations


All of the emphasis on Facebook has obscured the huge role of Instagram, as well as the Russian activity on many smaller platforms.
Most of the early media coverage of the Russian campaign focused on Facebook. The New Knowledge report argues that the Internet Research Agency’s presence on Instagram, which is owned by Facebook, has been underestimated and may have been as effective or even more effective than its Facebook effort. The report says there were 187 million engagements on Instagram — users “liking” or sharing the content created in Russia — compared with 76.5 million engagements on Facebook.

“Our assessment is that Instagram is likely to be a key battleground on an ongoing basis,” the report concludes.

Both reports note that there was hardly a social platform, however obscure, that the Internet Research Agency did not invade: Reddit, Google+, Vine, Gab, Meetup, Pinterest, Tumblr and more. The Russian trolls even created a podcast on SoundCloud.



Why are we still talking about this more than two years after the election?
Russia had used similar online influence tactics inside Russian borders and in neighboring countries, including Estonia, Georgia and Ukraine. But the campaign against the United States in 2016 was historic on several counts: It was the first major foreign influence campaign aimed at affecting a presidential election; it was the biggest influence operation ever to be aimed at Americans from another country; and it was the biggest attack ever — using virtual, not physical weapons — on the United States by its old Cold War adversary, albeit slimmed down from the Soviet Union to Russia alone. It will be studied for years.

It is impossible to measure what effect the Russian campaign — along with the hacking and leaking of Democratic emails — had on the outcome of the very close 2016 election. But some political scientists believe it may have won the presidency for Donald J. Trump — a remarkable conclusion, even if it cannot be proved or disproved.

Inevitably, some American political operatives are learning from Russia’s example, testing the tools of chicanery in their online operations. So the Internet Research Agency may have taught a new generation of tricksters how to swing an election in the cyberage.

So dumb.

Russia had no affect on the election.

Folks in our own intelligence agencies, and folks in the DNC that really knew what a danger HRC was, leaked damaging files to Wikileaks.

Americans found out the truth about who she is, and decided to take a chance on a buffoonish carnival entertainer with a spotty track record of success in business over a known corrupt politician that had proven documents on Wikileaks to back up that corruption.

All of the corporate press denials of that corruption, all of the investigations by the government of how that documentation ended up in the public domain is NOT going to change the public opinion of the fact that HRC is a slimy corrupt politician.

Folks know that truth, they will not be gas lighted into believing the emperor has clothes on at this point.

Trump may end up being a cartoonish character when all is said and done if he wasn't recruited by the white hats......but that doesn't change the fact that Trump, unwittingly or not has validated those like us that have been saying for years that there is a shadow government and a "deep state" of unelected bureaucrats that do their dirty work with a compliant and subservient lamestream media working as their propaganda arm.

IMO?

These days, all of popular electoral politics is a cartoonish affair that has no real affect on actual implementation of policy. He has just revealed it's true character. Good on him.

All I can say (and I know this is just hopefulness talking here) but if Trump wasn't recruited at the behest of the white hats that have been fighting the deep state and keeping the wolves at bay? Then we are 100 percent "fucked" with absolutely no hope at all. The banking oligarchs win, the financial house of cards will fold like a cheap tent and there will be enough suffering by the domesticated billions that will GLADLY accept the RFID chip and those that are not compliant? Well, they will be targeted by drones that have facial recognition software and the sheeple won't voice any dissent when those against the "BEAST System" are removed from society.

Nah, I don't believe that either.

Even if he wasn't, there are more powerful forces at work than either "black hats" or "white hats."

This is a quote by famous author Isaac Asimov. Google it.

"It’s too big to have been captured by the Earth. The chances of such a capture having been affected and the moon then having taken up nearly circular orbit around our Earth are too small to make such an eventuality credible."

Or Google what Ike was up too with the Tau IX Treaty.

Different factions have different ideas. We are conditioned to believe there are "good guys" and "bad guys." There aren't. In the end, it's just a mechanism for control.


The mysteries are deeper than most can even imagine. I think most of us are living in as much of a matrix as the dinosaurs were.

 

[Votto]

Russia colluded with Trump to steal the election and spent a whopping $4,700. LOL!

The gaslighting of some Americans is too easy.

‘4,700 on Google ads – that’s it? We never found evidence of Russian collusion’
View attachment 238085
‘4,700 on Google ads – that’s it? We never found evidence of Russian collusion’

Who cares what they found--the investigation isn't over.
The Russians are still dressing up as Americans and spreading their ill will on American boards, like this one. And you don't care, do you? What in hell is wrong with you people? You say Democrats are unAmerican for not wanting a Wall, yet the Republicans are just as bad, closing their eyes to any thought of foreign influence in our elections.
They are still here. You are their dupes.

Exactly! Who cares what they find so long as they continue to make Trump's life hell with the knowledge that no matter what is found he needs to be impeached anyway

Romney will lead the charge in the US Senate after taking Trump's endorsement to win his seat.

Lovely people those Swamp creatures.

Romney is an empty suit trying to position himself for another Presidential run when Trump implodes

No, Romney is an embittered Swamp creature that has finally begun to have something to fight against for the first time in his life.

As Trump aptly pointed out, if Romney had fought against Obama as hard as he has Trump, he would have been President.

Romney got more votes than Trump did

At the end of the day, Romney is a loser who probably needed Trump to actually win an election for a change.

 

[OldLady]

Okay. I don't see why you think it's going to a "bad place," but if it's making you uncomfortable, we'll call it a draw.

cause you recently said the way i was responding was getting borderline harassment or something like that a few posts ago.

i do think what trump jr said was likely something normal for most politicians. esp since he is *not* one and may or may not have known it was illegal to get that info in such a manner. i've not seen or heard anything else to link them that wasn't going about it in an agenda manner.

i do feel the investigation is part pay back part plan to keep trump busy. what the investigation has found hasn't been related to russia at all but financial issues. if that is what we attack then obama's appointments when he was first elected had around 60% that should have been "investigated" because they were in fact delinquent on many tax issues for many years running.

i think people today are more focused on "revenge" than "justice" and have mixed the 2 to a single outcome.

if we're to take comments in e-mail to justify investigating someone, then why is the same focus not being placed on the DNC e-mails and all that it revealed that were, to me, much worse than "sure i'll take that bad info..." from trump jr.

rest assured i can keep the bulldog going and dig, but you don't like it when i do and since my goal isn't to piss you off i stopped doing that is all.

And you quite cleverly got in the last word, too, but I will still be the "gentleman" here and not continue to debate it since you say you don't want to. Although you keep it up.

i never said i didn't want to debate it.

i said i didn't want to make you mad at me. again. as for having to get the last word in - sorry. i thought we were having a conversation and replying back and forth is traditionally part of that. for example, you said:

"Well, the Russians failed because I don't hate you. I don't understand how you can argue in one post that the investigation was unwarranted and in the next point out how the Russians have set us against each other in a destructive cycle of accusations and reprisals, becoming less and less based in reality."

and since you were misinterpreting what i said and why i feel the way i do, i explained. that's it. you keep making this a me vs. you while i'm trying to NOT make it that way.

and the russians trolled us to pit us against each other. yes. is that illegal? not as far as i know. should we investigate trump cause of it?

no. not on what little we have to actually link the 2. a music producers e-mail and a lawyers meeting and wa-la. years of investigations. i think that was a waste of time. we know how they did it and where they did it.

why is what anyone wants to make of it at this point.

Well done, my dear.

100% pure Russian PROPAGANDA..... HOW can you and other USMB right wing members not recognize this...? It's in-explainable HOW LITTLE you all know and truly ignorant you guys are on this topic??? BLOWS MY MIND!!! For very very little money in advertising, the Russians found a way through trolls and Bots to spread those ads to hundreds of millions of people...

Five Takeaways From New Reports on Russia’s Social Media Operations


All of the emphasis on Facebook has obscured the huge role of Instagram, as well as the Russian activity on many smaller platforms.
Most of the early media coverage of the Russian campaign focused on Facebook. The New Knowledge report argues that the Internet Research Agency’s presence on Instagram, which is owned by Facebook, has been underestimated and may have been as effective or even more effective than its Facebook effort. The report says there were 187 million engagements on Instagram — users “liking” or sharing the content created in Russia — compared with 76.5 million engagements on Facebook.

“Our assessment is that Instagram is likely to be a key battleground on an ongoing basis,” the report concludes.

Both reports note that there was hardly a social platform, however obscure, that the Internet Research Agency did not invade: Reddit, Google+, Vine, Gab, Meetup, Pinterest, Tumblr and more. The Russian trolls even created a podcast on SoundCloud.



Why are we still talking about this more than two years after the election?
Russia had used similar online influence tactics inside Russian borders and in neighboring countries, including Estonia, Georgia and Ukraine. But the campaign against the United States in 2016 was historic on several counts: It was the first major foreign influence campaign aimed at affecting a presidential election; it was the biggest influence operation ever to be aimed at Americans from another country; and it was the biggest attack ever — using virtual, not physical weapons — on the United States by its old Cold War adversary, albeit slimmed down from the Soviet Union to Russia alone. It will be studied for years.

It is impossible to measure what effect the Russian campaign — along with the hacking and leaking of Democratic emails — had on the outcome of the very close 2016 election. But some political scientists believe it may have won the presidency for Donald J. Trump — a remarkable conclusion, even if it cannot be proved or disproved.

Inevitably, some American political operatives are learning from Russia’s example, testing the tools of chicanery in their online operations. So the Internet Research Agency may have taught a new generation of tricksters how to swing an election in the cyberage.

So dumb.

Russia had no affect on the election.

Folks in our own intelligence agencies, and folks in the DNC that really knew what a danger HRC was, leaked damaging files to Wikileaks.

Americans found out the truth about who she is, and decided to take a chance on a buffoonish carnival entertainer with a spotty track record of success in business over a known corrupt politician that had proven documents on Wikileaks to back up that corruption.

All of the corporate press denials of that corruption, all of the investigations by the government of how that documentation ended up in the public domain is NOT going to change the public opinion of the fact that HRC is a slimy corrupt politician.

Folks know that truth, they will not be gas lighted into believing the emperor has clothes on at this point.

To me, who won the election is beside the point.

It's like I told you before the election, your vote doesn't really matter anyway, so why do you care?

No matter who won, the wars would continue, and nothing would change anyway. So who cares?

Our votes don't matter? If Hillary were President, do you really think we would be withdrawing, bit by bit from the UN? Would we have pulled out of the Iran Nuclear Deal? Would we have refused to sign the Paris Climate Accords? Would we have cut immigration and refugees into this country at a time when there is such need for safe havens?

Votes do matter.

i'm fine with pulling out of the UN. we've become the world police and i am not a fan of that at all.

i'm fine with pulling out of nuke deals with iran when they have shown they are NOT following through. just as i would be for n korea if they keep that shit up.

paris climate accord? that was a global money grab with zero accountability put into it.

safe havens? again - why are we the united way of the world? we've got many of our own local issues we need to focus on.

I was pointing out that our elected officials DO make choices with consequences, that's all.

 

[iceberg]

cause you recently said the way i was responding was getting borderline harassment or something like that a few posts ago.

i do think what trump jr said was likely something normal for most politicians. esp since he is *not* one and may or may not have known it was illegal to get that info in such a manner. i've not seen or heard anything else to link them that wasn't going about it in an agenda manner.

i do feel the investigation is part pay back part plan to keep trump busy. what the investigation has found hasn't been related to russia at all but financial issues. if that is what we attack then obama's appointments when he was first elected had around 60% that should have been "investigated" because they were in fact delinquent on many tax issues for many years running.

i think people today are more focused on "revenge" than "justice" and have mixed the 2 to a single outcome.

if we're to take comments in e-mail to justify investigating someone, then why is the same focus not being placed on the DNC e-mails and all that it revealed that were, to me, much worse than "sure i'll take that bad info..." from trump jr.

rest assured i can keep the bulldog going and dig, but you don't like it when i do and since my goal isn't to piss you off i stopped doing that is all.

And you quite cleverly got in the last word, too, but I will still be the "gentleman" here and not continue to debate it since you say you don't want to. Although you keep it up.

i never said i didn't want to debate it.

i said i didn't want to make you mad at me. again. as for having to get the last word in - sorry. i thought we were having a conversation and replying back and forth is traditionally part of that. for example, you said:

"Well, the Russians failed because I don't hate you. I don't understand how you can argue in one post that the investigation was unwarranted and in the next point out how the Russians have set us against each other in a destructive cycle of accusations and reprisals, becoming less and less based in reality."

and since you were misinterpreting what i said and why i feel the way i do, i explained. that's it. you keep making this a me vs. you while i'm trying to NOT make it that way.

and the russians trolled us to pit us against each other. yes. is that illegal? not as far as i know. should we investigate trump cause of it?

no. not on what little we have to actually link the 2. a music producers e-mail and a lawyers meeting and wa-la. years of investigations. i think that was a waste of time. we know how they did it and where they did it.

why is what anyone wants to make of it at this point.

So dumb.

Russia had no affect on the election.

Folks in our own intelligence agencies, and folks in the DNC that really knew what a danger HRC was, leaked damaging files to Wikileaks.

Americans found out the truth about who she is, and decided to take a chance on a buffoonish carnival entertainer with a spotty track record of success in business over a known corrupt politician that had proven documents on Wikileaks to back up that corruption.

All of the corporate press denials of that corruption, all of the investigations by the government of how that documentation ended up in the public domain is NOT going to change the public opinion of the fact that HRC is a slimy corrupt politician.

Folks know that truth, they will not be gas lighted into believing the emperor has clothes on at this point.

To me, who won the election is beside the point.

It's like I told you before the election, your vote doesn't really matter anyway, so why do you care?

No matter who won, the wars would continue, and nothing would change anyway. So who cares?

Our votes don't matter? If Hillary were President, do you really think we would be withdrawing, bit by bit from the UN? Would we have pulled out of the Iran Nuclear Deal? Would we have refused to sign the Paris Climate Accords? Would we have cut immigration and refugees into this country at a time when there is such need for safe havens?

Votes do matter.

i'm fine with pulling out of the UN. we've become the world police and i am not a fan of that at all.

i'm fine with pulling out of nuke deals with iran when they have shown they are NOT following through. just as i would be for n korea if they keep that shit up.

paris climate accord? that was a global money grab with zero accountability put into it.

safe havens? again - why are we the united way of the world? we've got many of our own local issues we need to focus on.

I was pointing out that our elected officials DO make choices with consequences, that's all.

appreciate it. i was beginning to wonder.

 

[OldLady]

Okay. I don't see why you think it's going to a "bad place," but if it's making you uncomfortable, we'll call it a draw.

cause you recently said the way i was responding was getting borderline harassment or something like that a few posts ago.

i do think what trump jr said was likely something normal for most politicians. esp since he is *not* one and may or may not have known it was illegal to get that info in such a manner. i've not seen or heard anything else to link them that wasn't going about it in an agenda manner.

i do feel the investigation is part pay back part plan to keep trump busy. what the investigation has found hasn't been related to russia at all but financial issues. if that is what we attack then obama's appointments when he was first elected had around 60% that should have been "investigated" because they were in fact delinquent on many tax issues for many years running.

i think people today are more focused on "revenge" than "justice" and have mixed the 2 to a single outcome.

if we're to take comments in e-mail to justify investigating someone, then why is the same focus not being placed on the DNC e-mails and all that it revealed that were, to me, much worse than "sure i'll take that bad info..." from trump jr.

rest assured i can keep the bulldog going and dig, but you don't like it when i do and since my goal isn't to piss you off i stopped doing that is all.

And you quite cleverly got in the last word, too, but I will still be the "gentleman" here and not continue to debate it since you say you don't want to. Although you keep it up.

i never said i didn't want to debate it.

i said i didn't want to make you mad at me. again. as for having to get the last word in - sorry. i thought we were having a conversation and replying back and forth is traditionally part of that. for example, you said:

"Well, the Russians failed because I don't hate you. I don't understand how you can argue in one post that the investigation was unwarranted and in the next point out how the Russians have set us against each other in a destructive cycle of accusations and reprisals, becoming less and less based in reality."

and since you were misinterpreting what i said and why i feel the way i do, i explained. that's it. you keep making this a me vs. you while i'm trying to NOT make it that way.

and the russians trolled us to pit us against each other. yes. is that illegal? not as far as i know. should we investigate trump cause of it?

no. not on what little we have to actually link the 2. a music producers e-mail and a lawyers meeting and wa-la. years of investigations. i think that was a waste of time. we know how they did it and where they did it.

why is what anyone wants to make of it at this point.

Well done, my dear.

100% pure Russian PROPAGANDA..... HOW can you and other USMB right wing members not recognize this...? It's in-explainable HOW LITTLE you all know and truly ignorant you guys are on this topic??? BLOWS MY MIND!!! For very very little money in advertising, the Russians found a way through trolls and Bots to spread those ads to hundreds of millions of people...

Five Takeaways From New Reports on Russia’s Social Media Operations


All of the emphasis on Facebook has obscured the huge role of Instagram, as well as the Russian activity on many smaller platforms.
Most of the early media coverage of the Russian campaign focused on Facebook. The New Knowledge report argues that the Internet Research Agency’s presence on Instagram, which is owned by Facebook, has been underestimated and may have been as effective or even more effective than its Facebook effort. The report says there were 187 million engagements on Instagram — users “liking” or sharing the content created in Russia — compared with 76.5 million engagements on Facebook.

“Our assessment is that Instagram is likely to be a key battleground on an ongoing basis,” the report concludes.

Both reports note that there was hardly a social platform, however obscure, that the Internet Research Agency did not invade: Reddit, Google+, Vine, Gab, Meetup, Pinterest, Tumblr and more. The Russian trolls even created a podcast on SoundCloud.



Why are we still talking about this more than two years after the election?
Russia had used similar online influence tactics inside Russian borders and in neighboring countries, including Estonia, Georgia and Ukraine. But the campaign against the United States in 2016 was historic on several counts: It was the first major foreign influence campaign aimed at affecting a presidential election; it was the biggest influence operation ever to be aimed at Americans from another country; and it was the biggest attack ever — using virtual, not physical weapons — on the United States by its old Cold War adversary, albeit slimmed down from the Soviet Union to Russia alone. It will be studied for years.

It is impossible to measure what effect the Russian campaign — along with the hacking and leaking of Democratic emails — had on the outcome of the very close 2016 election. But some political scientists believe it may have won the presidency for Donald J. Trump — a remarkable conclusion, even if it cannot be proved or disproved.

Inevitably, some American political operatives are learning from Russia’s example, testing the tools of chicanery in their online operations. So the Internet Research Agency may have taught a new generation of tricksters how to swing an election in the cyberage.

So dumb.

Russia had no affect on the election.

Folks in our own intelligence agencies, and folks in the DNC that really knew what a danger HRC was, leaked damaging files to Wikileaks.

Americans found out the truth about who she is, and decided to take a chance on a buffoonish carnival entertainer with a spotty track record of success in business over a known corrupt politician that had proven documents on Wikileaks to back up that corruption.

All of the corporate press denials of that corruption, all of the investigations by the government of how that documentation ended up in the public domain is NOT going to change the public opinion of the fact that HRC is a slimy corrupt politician.

Folks know that truth, they will not be gas lighted into believing the emperor has clothes on at this point.

To me, who won the election is beside the point.

It's like I told you before the election, your vote doesn't really matter anyway, so why do you care?

No matter who won, the wars would continue, and nothing would change anyway. So who cares?

Our votes don't matter? If Hillary were President, do you really think we would be withdrawing, bit by bit from the UN? Would we have pulled out of the Iran Nuclear Deal? Would we have refused to sign the Paris Climate Accords? Would we have cut immigration and refugees into this country at a time when there is such need for safe havens?

Votes do matter.

You think the U.N is a "GOOD thing"??? The Paris Accord over a fake climate change deal where countries like China don't have to comply but every other country must PLUS be charged a carbon tax? You are fuckin' DENSE.........I.Q score of about 88 would be my very generous guesstimation.

Read into my post what you will. I was pointing out decisions made by our President that certainly MATTER.

 

[gipper]

cause you recently said the way i was responding was getting borderline harassment or something like that a few posts ago.

i do think what trump jr said was likely something normal for most politicians. esp since he is *not* one and may or may not have known it was illegal to get that info in such a manner. i've not seen or heard anything else to link them that wasn't going about it in an agenda manner.

i do feel the investigation is part pay back part plan to keep trump busy. what the investigation has found hasn't been related to russia at all but financial issues. if that is what we attack then obama's appointments when he was first elected had around 60% that should have been "investigated" because they were in fact delinquent on many tax issues for many years running.

i think people today are more focused on "revenge" than "justice" and have mixed the 2 to a single outcome.

if we're to take comments in e-mail to justify investigating someone, then why is the same focus not being placed on the DNC e-mails and all that it revealed that were, to me, much worse than "sure i'll take that bad info..." from trump jr.

rest assured i can keep the bulldog going and dig, but you don't like it when i do and since my goal isn't to piss you off i stopped doing that is all.

And you quite cleverly got in the last word, too, but I will still be the "gentleman" here and not continue to debate it since you say you don't want to. Although you keep it up.

i never said i didn't want to debate it.

i said i didn't want to make you mad at me. again. as for having to get the last word in - sorry. i thought we were having a conversation and replying back and forth is traditionally part of that. for example, you said:

"Well, the Russians failed because I don't hate you. I don't understand how you can argue in one post that the investigation was unwarranted and in the next point out how the Russians have set us against each other in a destructive cycle of accusations and reprisals, becoming less and less based in reality."

and since you were misinterpreting what i said and why i feel the way i do, i explained. that's it. you keep making this a me vs. you while i'm trying to NOT make it that way.

and the russians trolled us to pit us against each other. yes. is that illegal? not as far as i know. should we investigate trump cause of it?

no. not on what little we have to actually link the 2. a music producers e-mail and a lawyers meeting and wa-la. years of investigations. i think that was a waste of time. we know how they did it and where they did it.

why is what anyone wants to make of it at this point.

So dumb.

Russia had no affect on the election.

Folks in our own intelligence agencies, and folks in the DNC that really knew what a danger HRC was, leaked damaging files to Wikileaks.

Americans found out the truth about who she is, and decided to take a chance on a buffoonish carnival entertainer with a spotty track record of success in business over a known corrupt politician that had proven documents on Wikileaks to back up that corruption.

All of the corporate press denials of that corruption, all of the investigations by the government of how that documentation ended up in the public domain is NOT going to change the public opinion of the fact that HRC is a slimy corrupt politician.

Folks know that truth, they will not be gas lighted into believing the emperor has clothes on at this point.

To me, who won the election is beside the point.

It's like I told you before the election, your vote doesn't really matter anyway, so why do you care?

No matter who won, the wars would continue, and nothing would change anyway. So who cares?

Our votes don't matter? If Hillary were President, do you really think we would be withdrawing, bit by bit from the UN? Would we have pulled out of the Iran Nuclear Deal? Would we have refused to sign the Paris Climate Accords? Would we have cut immigration and refugees into this country at a time when there is such need for safe havens?

Votes do matter.

i'm fine with pulling out of the UN. we've become the world police and i am not a fan of that at all.

i'm fine with pulling out of nuke deals with iran when they have shown they are NOT following through. just as i would be for n korea if they keep that shit up.

paris climate accord? that was a global money grab with zero accountability put into it.

safe havens? again - why are we the united way of the world? we've got many of our own local issues we need to focus on.

I was pointing out that our elected officials DO make choices with consequences, that's all.

They do make choices, but seldom face consequences for their often criminal and deadly actions.

Why? Because too many Americans are ignorant.

 

[OldLady]

I already said Trump Jr. didn't break any laws--remember "saved his sorry ass?" I am having trouble figuring out why you are so insistent that I think there were laws broken there.

so - if no laws were broken, do you support the investigation?

if not, pretty much done. if so, on what basis?

Oh, I believe the investigation into Russian intervention in our Presidential election and the possibility of Americans willingly involved in it is clearly called for.
I felt Don's emails that I quoted above are the smoking gun of the campaign's attitude and it would not surprise me if some of them actually get caught doing something illegal. But it's a hard thing to prove, conspiracy. So I'm not really expecting that, either.

and the attitude is that they would accept help from a foreign government - in this case russia.

the series of events that played out from that mail didn't evolve into anything illegal at all, much less actual information passed on. no russian gov official was involved in any of this other than their name mentioned but the "sure i'll take that" is enough to base multi-year long investigations over "just in case" something was there.

i can relate as i feel hillary (for example) has much more than "sure i'll take that" against her and she needs to be in jail. but proven? well no one has done it yet and lucy keeps pulling the football away.

to me, it's these very different viewpoints over similar topics the russians exploited against us to get us to hate each other. they skewed how we reference in as much as what info we reference as well. nothing illegal as far as i know and something *we* need to be aware of and put the emotions they're trying to stir away and focus on what we can prove, not what we feel.

Well, the Russians failed because I don't hate you. I don't understand how you can argue in one post that the investigation was unwarranted and in the next point out how the Russians have set us against each other in a destructive cycle of accusations and reprisals, becoming less and less based in reality.

I have faith that our Intelligence Agencies know what they are doing. Apparently you don't. I believe they have very good evidence that Russia did the hacking of the DNC and that they, through a middle man, supplied it to Wikileaks. There was a whole lot of "forgetting" about meetings with and doings with Russians by the members of the Trump campaign. Maybe it's coincidence or a tempest in a teapot, over and over again. There were many reasons for the investigation, not just the Trump Tower meeting. Let's not forget that there was no Special Investigation until Trump fired the Director of the FBI and told Russians the next day that he had cleared up "that problem."
There were lots of good reasons for the investigation and whatever they come up with will be interesting, I'm sure.

Damn you are so idealistic and naive. It is really quaint. I love your heart of gold.

The establishment doesn't give a shit about the people, it only cares about itself.

Spooks and the Masked Media
Spooks and the Masked Media
". . . . A common retort is that it is absurd to suggest that The New York Times, The Washington Post, Fox News, CNN, etc. are just disseminating propaganda from behind a mask of objectivity. And it is that small word “just” that reveals the falsity of the reply. For obviously these media organizations report truthfully on certain matters. For if they didn’t, their lies would not work. But when it comes to crucial matters of foreign or domestic policy – matters that involve the controlling interests of the elites – lies and deceptions are the rule.

Yes, Trump is a narcissistic mana personality who has entranced and mystified his hard core followers. But to think he is the only hypnotist on the stage is childish beyond belief. The psychoanalyst Sandor Ferenczi observed that people are so susceptible to returning to an imaginary childhood through hypnotic trances because “In our innermost soul we are still children, and we remain so throughout life.” Like the little children who go trick-or-treating dressed up as ghosts, witches, or grim reapers, adults too fear death and are easily induced to believe god-like authorities who will quell their fears and ostensibly explain to them who the good and bad guys are.

Like parents with children, the masked media magicians play the good cop/bad cop game with great success. Obama was a god; Trump, the devil. Trump is a savior; Obama, a destroyer. This charade is so obvious that it’s not. But that’s how the play is played. At the moment, all eyes are on Trump, who commands center stage. And those obsessively transfixed eyes are staring out of the heads of people of all political persuasions, those that love and those that loathe the man and all he stands for. And who has created this obsession but none other than our friends in the corporate media, the same people who gave us Obama-mania.


Meanwhile, back stage…it’s a wonderful life. . . . "

That said nothing, Mr. Beale, except "FAKE NEWS." I believe Trump has that message covered.

 

[OldLady]

And you quite cleverly got in the last word, too, but I will still be the "gentleman" here and not continue to debate it since you say you don't want to. Although you keep it up.

i never said i didn't want to debate it.

i said i didn't want to make you mad at me. again. as for having to get the last word in - sorry. i thought we were having a conversation and replying back and forth is traditionally part of that. for example, you said:

"Well, the Russians failed because I don't hate you. I don't understand how you can argue in one post that the investigation was unwarranted and in the next point out how the Russians have set us against each other in a destructive cycle of accusations and reprisals, becoming less and less based in reality."

and since you were misinterpreting what i said and why i feel the way i do, i explained. that's it. you keep making this a me vs. you while i'm trying to NOT make it that way.

and the russians trolled us to pit us against each other. yes. is that illegal? not as far as i know. should we investigate trump cause of it?

no. not on what little we have to actually link the 2. a music producers e-mail and a lawyers meeting and wa-la. years of investigations. i think that was a waste of time. we know how they did it and where they did it.

why is what anyone wants to make of it at this point.

To me, who won the election is beside the point.

It's like I told you before the election, your vote doesn't really matter anyway, so why do you care?

No matter who won, the wars would continue, and nothing would change anyway. So who cares?

Our votes don't matter? If Hillary were President, do you really think we would be withdrawing, bit by bit from the UN? Would we have pulled out of the Iran Nuclear Deal? Would we have refused to sign the Paris Climate Accords? Would we have cut immigration and refugees into this country at a time when there is such need for safe havens?

Votes do matter.

i'm fine with pulling out of the UN. we've become the world police and i am not a fan of that at all.

i'm fine with pulling out of nuke deals with iran when they have shown they are NOT following through. just as i would be for n korea if they keep that shit up.

paris climate accord? that was a global money grab with zero accountability put into it.

safe havens? again - why are we the united way of the world? we've got many of our own local issues we need to focus on.

I was pointing out that our elected officials DO make choices with consequences, that's all.

They do make choices, but seldom face consequences for their often criminal and deadly actions.

Why? Because too many Americans are ignorant.

I fear some of the consequences of the choices Trump is making. We cannot control the reactions of other countries. Someday we may rue our decision to put a reality tv star in the White House.

 

[iceberg]

cause you recently said the way i was responding was getting borderline harassment or something like that a few posts ago.

i do think what trump jr said was likely something normal for most politicians. esp since he is *not* one and may or may not have known it was illegal to get that info in such a manner. i've not seen or heard anything else to link them that wasn't going about it in an agenda manner.

i do feel the investigation is part pay back part plan to keep trump busy. what the investigation has found hasn't been related to russia at all but financial issues. if that is what we attack then obama's appointments when he was first elected had around 60% that should have been "investigated" because they were in fact delinquent on many tax issues for many years running.

i think people today are more focused on "revenge" than "justice" and have mixed the 2 to a single outcome.

if we're to take comments in e-mail to justify investigating someone, then why is the same focus not being placed on the DNC e-mails and all that it revealed that were, to me, much worse than "sure i'll take that bad info..." from trump jr.

rest assured i can keep the bulldog going and dig, but you don't like it when i do and since my goal isn't to piss you off i stopped doing that is all.

And you quite cleverly got in the last word, too, but I will still be the "gentleman" here and not continue to debate it since you say you don't want to. Although you keep it up.

i never said i didn't want to debate it.

i said i didn't want to make you mad at me. again. as for having to get the last word in - sorry. i thought we were having a conversation and replying back and forth is traditionally part of that. for example, you said:

"Well, the Russians failed because I don't hate you. I don't understand how you can argue in one post that the investigation was unwarranted and in the next point out how the Russians have set us against each other in a destructive cycle of accusations and reprisals, becoming less and less based in reality."

and since you were misinterpreting what i said and why i feel the way i do, i explained. that's it. you keep making this a me vs. you while i'm trying to NOT make it that way.

and the russians trolled us to pit us against each other. yes. is that illegal? not as far as i know. should we investigate trump cause of it?

no. not on what little we have to actually link the 2. a music producers e-mail and a lawyers meeting and wa-la. years of investigations. i think that was a waste of time. we know how they did it and where they did it.

why is what anyone wants to make of it at this point.

So dumb.

Russia had no affect on the election.

Folks in our own intelligence agencies, and folks in the DNC that really knew what a danger HRC was, leaked damaging files to Wikileaks.

Americans found out the truth about who she is, and decided to take a chance on a buffoonish carnival entertainer with a spotty track record of success in business over a known corrupt politician that had proven documents on Wikileaks to back up that corruption.

All of the corporate press denials of that corruption, all of the investigations by the government of how that documentation ended up in the public domain is NOT going to change the public opinion of the fact that HRC is a slimy corrupt politician.

Folks know that truth, they will not be gas lighted into believing the emperor has clothes on at this point.

To me, who won the election is beside the point.

It's like I told you before the election, your vote doesn't really matter anyway, so why do you care?

No matter who won, the wars would continue, and nothing would change anyway. So who cares?

Our votes don't matter? If Hillary were President, do you really think we would be withdrawing, bit by bit from the UN? Would we have pulled out of the Iran Nuclear Deal? Would we have refused to sign the Paris Climate Accords? Would we have cut immigration and refugees into this country at a time when there is such need for safe havens?

Votes do matter.

You think the U.N is a "GOOD thing"??? The Paris Accord over a fake climate change deal where countries like China don't have to comply but every other country must PLUS be charged a carbon tax? You are fuckin' DENSE.........I.Q score of about 88 would be my very generous guesstimation.

Read into my post what you will. I was pointing out decisions made by our President that certainly MATTER.

never said they didn't. but again what matters seems to be who is doing it, not what is being done.

people are all bitchy about the wall and how dare trump spit in the face of these poor refuges.

FACT CHECK: Bill Clinton built a 325-mile border fence in 1993, and Hillary fully supported it

shit like that gets pushed aside and what their side used to want is now something they'll die or kill to keep from happening simply because trump made a promise and he must look the fool. as if he needs the help.

we've become far too polarized to get anything done and even more conditioned to blame the other side for all our collective issues.

read into it what you will.

 

[gipper]

so - if no laws were broken, do you support the investigation?

if not, pretty much done. if so, on what basis?

Oh, I believe the investigation into Russian intervention in our Presidential election and the possibility of Americans willingly involved in it is clearly called for.
I felt Don's emails that I quoted above are the smoking gun of the campaign's attitude and it would not surprise me if some of them actually get caught doing something illegal. But it's a hard thing to prove, conspiracy. So I'm not really expecting that, either.

and the attitude is that they would accept help from a foreign government - in this case russia.

the series of events that played out from that mail didn't evolve into anything illegal at all, much less actual information passed on. no russian gov official was involved in any of this other than their name mentioned but the "sure i'll take that" is enough to base multi-year long investigations over "just in case" something was there.

i can relate as i feel hillary (for example) has much more than "sure i'll take that" against her and she needs to be in jail. but proven? well no one has done it yet and lucy keeps pulling the football away.

to me, it's these very different viewpoints over similar topics the russians exploited against us to get us to hate each other. they skewed how we reference in as much as what info we reference as well. nothing illegal as far as i know and something *we* need to be aware of and put the emotions they're trying to stir away and focus on what we can prove, not what we feel.

Well, the Russians failed because I don't hate you. I don't understand how you can argue in one post that the investigation was unwarranted and in the next point out how the Russians have set us against each other in a destructive cycle of accusations and reprisals, becoming less and less based in reality.

I have faith that our Intelligence Agencies know what they are doing. Apparently you don't. I believe they have very good evidence that Russia did the hacking of the DNC and that they, through a middle man, supplied it to Wikileaks. There was a whole lot of "forgetting" about meetings with and doings with Russians by the members of the Trump campaign. Maybe it's coincidence or a tempest in a teapot, over and over again. There were many reasons for the investigation, not just the Trump Tower meeting. Let's not forget that there was no Special Investigation until Trump fired the Director of the FBI and told Russians the next day that he had cleared up "that problem."
There were lots of good reasons for the investigation and whatever they come up with will be interesting, I'm sure.

Damn you are so idealistic and naive. It is really quaint. I love your heart of gold.

The establishment doesn't give a shit about the people, it only cares about itself.

Spooks and the Masked Media
Spooks and the Masked Media
". . . . A common retort is that it is absurd to suggest that The New York Times, The Washington Post, Fox News, CNN, etc. are just disseminating propaganda from behind a mask of objectivity. And it is that small word “just” that reveals the falsity of the reply. For obviously these media organizations report truthfully on certain matters. For if they didn’t, their lies would not work. But when it comes to crucial matters of foreign or domestic policy – matters that involve the controlling interests of the elites – lies and deceptions are the rule.

Yes, Trump is a narcissistic mana personality who has entranced and mystified his hard core followers. But to think he is the only hypnotist on the stage is childish beyond belief. The psychoanalyst Sandor Ferenczi observed that people are so susceptible to returning to an imaginary childhood through hypnotic trances because “In our innermost soul we are still children, and we remain so throughout life.” Like the little children who go trick-or-treating dressed up as ghosts, witches, or grim reapers, adults too fear death and are easily induced to believe god-like authorities who will quell their fears and ostensibly explain to them who the good and bad guys are.

Like parents with children, the masked media magicians play the good cop/bad cop game with great success. Obama was a god; Trump, the devil. Trump is a savior; Obama, a destroyer. This charade is so obvious that it’s not. But that’s how the play is played. At the moment, all eyes are on Trump, who commands center stage. And those obsessively transfixed eyes are staring out of the heads of people of all political persuasions, those that love and those that loathe the man and all he stands for. And who has created this obsession but none other than our friends in the corporate media, the same people who gave us Obama-mania.


Meanwhile, back stage…it’s a wonderful life. . . . "

That said nothing, Mr. Beale, except "FAKE NEWS." I believe Trump has that message covered.

Donnie isn’t right about much, but he is right about the MSM being fake news. Somehow, magically, Americans don’t know this. Yet, the Church Committee exposed the MSM as fake way back in the 1970s.

Imagine how great this nation would be, if we had a REAL MSM.

 

[iceberg]

i never said i didn't want to debate it.

i said i didn't want to make you mad at me. again. as for having to get the last word in - sorry. i thought we were having a conversation and replying back and forth is traditionally part of that. for example, you said:

"Well, the Russians failed because I don't hate you. I don't understand how you can argue in one post that the investigation was unwarranted and in the next point out how the Russians have set us against each other in a destructive cycle of accusations and reprisals, becoming less and less based in reality."

and since you were misinterpreting what i said and why i feel the way i do, i explained. that's it. you keep making this a me vs. you while i'm trying to NOT make it that way.

and the russians trolled us to pit us against each other. yes. is that illegal? not as far as i know. should we investigate trump cause of it?

no. not on what little we have to actually link the 2. a music producers e-mail and a lawyers meeting and wa-la. years of investigations. i think that was a waste of time. we know how they did it and where they did it.

why is what anyone wants to make of it at this point.

It's like I told you before the election, your vote doesn't really matter anyway, so why do you care?

No matter who won, the wars would continue, and nothing would change anyway. So who cares?

Our votes don't matter? If Hillary were President, do you really think we would be withdrawing, bit by bit from the UN? Would we have pulled out of the Iran Nuclear Deal? Would we have refused to sign the Paris Climate Accords? Would we have cut immigration and refugees into this country at a time when there is such need for safe havens?

Votes do matter.

i'm fine with pulling out of the UN. we've become the world police and i am not a fan of that at all.

i'm fine with pulling out of nuke deals with iran when they have shown they are NOT following through. just as i would be for n korea if they keep that shit up.

paris climate accord? that was a global money grab with zero accountability put into it.

safe havens? again - why are we the united way of the world? we've got many of our own local issues we need to focus on.

I was pointing out that our elected officials DO make choices with consequences, that's all.

They do make choices, but seldom face consequences for their often criminal and deadly actions.

Why? Because too many Americans are ignorant.

I fear some of the consequences of the choices Trump is making. We cannot control the reactions of other countries. Someday we may rue our decision to put a reality tv star in the White House.

ah hell. we can't control the reactions of people in here so not sure why this gets expanded to think we ever could control the reactions of other countries anyway. no president ever could. not a fan of the way trump is doing things at times but at times i've not been a fan of things any president has done.