48%: The Democratic Party needs to face an ugly reality

[Billiejeens]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

A win is a win. But yeah...both parties are losing ground and hopefully a sensible centrist 3rd party will emerge.

We have a binary system.

We haven't always had one...

When?

 

[candycorn]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

A win is a win. But yeah...both parties are losing ground and hopefully a sensible centrist 3rd party will emerge.

We have a binary system.

We haven't always had one...

When?

1968

1968 United States presidential election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Billiejeens]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

A win is a win. But yeah...both parties are losing ground and hopefully a sensible centrist 3rd party will emerge.

We have a binary system.

We haven't always had one...

When?

1968

1968 United States presidential election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Your proof that we don't have a binary system is the 1968 Presidential Election where Democrat George Wallace ran as an independent and received zero electoral votes?

 

[candycorn]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

A win is a win. But yeah...both parties are losing ground and hopefully a sensible centrist 3rd party will emerge.

We have a binary system.

We haven't always had one...

When?

1968

1968 United States presidential election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Your proof that we don't have a binary system is the 1968 Presidential Election where Democrat George Wallace ran as an independent and received zero electoral votes?

My proof that we haven't always had a binary system is that 3 different parties got electoral votes in 1968.

 

[Billiejeens]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

A win is a win. But yeah...both parties are losing ground and hopefully a sensible centrist 3rd party will emerge.

We have a binary system.

We haven't always had one...

When?

1968

1968 United States presidential election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Your proof that we don't have a binary system is the 1968 Presidential Election where Democrat George Wallace ran as an independent and received zero electoral votes?

My proof that we haven't always had a binary system is that 3 different parties got electoral votes in 1968.

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[candycorn]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

A win is a win. But yeah...both parties are losing ground and hopefully a sensible centrist 3rd party will emerge.

We have a binary system.

We haven't always had one...

When?

1968

1968 United States presidential election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Your proof that we don't have a binary system is the 1968 Presidential Election where Democrat George Wallace ran as an independent and received zero electoral votes?

My proof that we haven't always had a binary system is that 3 different parties got electoral votes in 1968.

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That didn't happen
I just told you that

You're wrong. I just proved that.

 

[Billiejeens]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

A win is a win. But yeah...both parties are losing ground and hopefully a sensible centrist 3rd party will emerge.

We have a binary system.

We haven't always had one...

When?

1968

1968 United States presidential election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Your proof that we don't have a binary system is the 1968 Presidential Election where Democrat George Wallace ran as an independent and received zero electoral votes?

My proof that we haven't always had a binary system is that 3 different parties got electoral votes in 1968.

View attachment 415076

That didn't happen
I just told you that

You're wrong. I just proved that.

Can you name the three different parties?

 

[lg325]

George Wallace won 46 electoral votes in 68. Libertarian party popular vote counts do real well. John Anderson made an impact .Ross Perot got 19 million votes but no electoral votes. There is viable third party support out there. It just need to get organized.

 

[Billiejeens]

George Wallace won 46 electoral votes in 68. Libertarian party popular vote counts do real well. John Anderson made an impact .Ross Perot got 19 million votes but no electoral votes. There is viable third party support out there. It just need to get organized.

You understand that George Wallace was not a third party candidate, yes?
He was a Democrat that attempted to split the Democrat Party Vote by appealing to the Racist Southern Democrats in the 5 southern states that he won.

Not a 3rd Party Candidate.

 

[dblack]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

A win is a win. But yeah...both parties are losing ground and hopefully a sensible centrist 3rd party will emerge.

We have a binary system.

Right. A binary system that promotes bitterly opposed parties. Consensus is punished. We need to change that.

 

[Billiejeens]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

A win is a win. But yeah...both parties are losing ground and hopefully a sensible centrist 3rd party will emerge.

We have a binary system.

Right. A binary system that promotes bitterly opposed parties. Consensus is punished. We need to change that.

Describe your version or idea of consensus and why that is desirable.

 

[dblack]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

A win is a win. But yeah...both parties are losing ground and hopefully a sensible centrist 3rd party will emerge.

We have a binary system.

Right. A binary system that promotes bitterly opposed parties. Consensus is punished. We need to change that.

Describe your version or idea of consensus and why that is desirable.

Consensus means broad agreement. It's much more than a slim, partisan majority. It's desirable because stable government is better than thrashing back and forth between extremes.

 

[Billiejeens]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

A win is a win. But yeah...both parties are losing ground and hopefully a sensible centrist 3rd party will emerge.

We have a binary system.

Right. A binary system that promotes bitterly opposed parties. Consensus is punished. We need to change that.

Describe your version or idea of consensus and why that is desirable.

Consensus means broad agreement. It's much more than a slim, partisan majority. It's desirable because stable government is better than thrashing back and forth between extremes.

I know what it means.
So try to be lawmakers for just that 25% on each side of the neutral line and not the other 50 % .
How does that make it better?

 

[dblack]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

A win is a win. But yeah...both parties are losing ground and hopefully a sensible centrist 3rd party will emerge.

We have a binary system.

Right. A binary system that promotes bitterly opposed parties. Consensus is punished. We need to change that.

Describe your version or idea of consensus and why that is desirable.

Consensus means broad agreement. It's much more than a slim, partisan majority. It's desirable because stable government is better than thrashing back and forth between extremes.

I know what it means.
So try to be lawmakers for just that 25% on each side of the neutral line and not the other 50 % .
How does that make it better?

What??? Can you rephrase that?

I'm saying leaders and policies that are approved of by 70-80% of the country are much better for us than those approved of by 51% of the public. The latter are temporary at best and will simply be reversed when the 51% becomes 49%.

ACA was the perfect example. A society change that large should have much more than slim partisan majority backing. But that's all they could get so they slammed it through anyway and it's been a disaster.

If I had my druthers any new law passed by Congress would require a 2/3 majority vote. That would require, in almost all cases, bipartisan support.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If I had my druthers any new law passed by Congress would require a 2/3 majority vote. That would require, in almost all cases, bipartisan support.

What that would mean is nothing would ever get passed.

 

[dblack]

If I had my druthers any new law passed by Congress would require a 2/3 majority vote. That would require, in almost all cases, bipartisan support.

That that would mean is nothing would ever get passed.

For a while maybe, and I'm fine with that. But eventually, the composition of our leadership would adjust and they'd learn to work together to represent the whole country, rather than just the majority.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

his was despite a disastrous war in Iraq.
Having effectively stolen the election in 2000

Nobody stole anything.

The study provides evidence that more Florida voters attempted to vote for Gore than for George W. Bush -- but so many Gore voters marked their ballots improperly that Bush received more valid votes. As a result, under rules devised by the Florida Supreme Court and accepted by the Gore campaign at the time, Bush probably would have won a recount, the study found.

Bush wins, Gore wins — depending on how ballots are added up

If the U.S. Supreme Court had allowed Florida’s courts to finish their abortive recount of last year’s deadlocked presidential election, President Bush probably still would have won by …

www.chicagotribune.com

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

For a while maybe, and I'm fine with that. But eventually, the composition of our leadership would adjust and they'd learn to work together to represent the whole country, rather than just the majority.

That won't happen because every year the two parties drift further and further apart. How many months now has this stimulus package been in debate? The Republicans conceded several times during the negotiations and the Democrats held ground that all their pork gets passed or nothing at all.

 

[BrokeLoser]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

A win is a win. But yeah...both parties are losing ground and hopefully a sensible centrist 3rd party will emerge.

I don't see this happening until we change the election system. The two party nonsense thrives on division. The parties define themselves in opposition. They focus solely on our disagreements, and disregard that fact that we're all on the same side.

“They focus solely on our disagreements, and disregard that fact that we're all on the same side.”
The sentiment is noble but you have lost touch if you honestly believe “we’re all on the same side”.
In a nutshell, Democrats believe America must be redesigned to fit EVERYONE, they believe America belongs to the world while Republicans believe ‘old America’ must be restored, preserved and protected, they believe America is reserved for Americans.
Fundamentally, we couldn’t be further apart.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

A win is a win. But yeah...both parties are losing ground and hopefully a sensible centrist 3rd party will emerge.

This election reveal a play by the Libertarian Party to make a move on the GOP. They want to take all the liberal (libertarian) leaning Republicans and leave the GOP with the warmongering neo-cons.

It won't work. The GOP is way too powerful and the Dems respect the Duopoly too much to help the LP do a take-over.

The establishment Rs and Ds do not want to share the power structure. Often times, they offer the illusion of a choice.