51% America Makes Less Than $30K

[Indeependent]

You know what I meant, neo-Con.
Unlike you, I don't consider Manifest Destiny shit-holes to be cities.
Maybe a one pony town.

I assume you meant "STARTED." Why would I assume anything else?

What's a "manifest destiny shithole," and can you provide an example of one?

Manifest destiny - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Read it. You love to read.

I know what mainfest destiny is, dumbfuck. I asked you what a "manifest destiny shithole" is.

At least try to give the impression you don't have a single digit I.Q.

I don't think any shitholes are left.
Dodge City was one of them.
You know, the city that has been totally rebuilt without money on hand.

Go ahead, next ad hominem.

What was the population of Dodge "City," 500 people?

Enough to fill the bar.

 

[Indeependent]

Big business loves cheap labor. The way to avoid it is not to apply for those lousy jobs. $10 an hour is a joke of a wage even for entry level low skill work.

The Immigration Reform on the table would import a minimum of 1,600,000 Business Visas annually.

That isn't "reform." It's making the problem 10 times worse.

So you disagree with Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio...Good!

 

[bripat9643]

Welcome to capitalism, baby. Capitalists love cheap labor and there is no such thing as a middle-class in capitalism..

We have not had capitalism in America for 25 years so don't place blame there. If you want to place blame look at Obama and the dems with their reckless and feckless policies.

BS, total. We have regulated capitalism and lots of free trade here. Not a fucking thing has changed under the Dems.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Man, you're actually serious!

 

[bripat9643]

I assume you meant "STARTED." Why would I assume anything else?

What's a "manifest destiny shithole," and can you provide an example of one?

Manifest destiny - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Read it. You love to read.

I know what mainfest destiny is, dumbfuck. I asked you what a "manifest destiny shithole" is.

At least try to give the impression you don't have a single digit I.Q.

I don't think any shitholes are left.
Dodge City was one of them.
You know, the city that has been totally rebuilt without money on hand.

Go ahead, next ad hominem.

What was the population of Dodge "City," 500 people?

Enough to fill the bar.

In other words, it was just a shitty little jerkwater town.

 

[Indeependent]

Manifest destiny - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Read it. You love to read.

I know what mainfest destiny is, dumbfuck. I asked you what a "manifest destiny shithole" is.

At least try to give the impression you don't have a single digit I.Q.

I don't think any shitholes are left.
Dodge City was one of them.
You know, the city that has been totally rebuilt without money on hand.

Go ahead, next ad hominem.

What was the population of Dodge "City," 500 people?

Enough to fill the bar.

In other words, it was just a shit little jerkwater town.

A typical Manifest Destiny town.
God, Glory and Gold.
Plus a few dead Native Americans never hurt anybody.

 

[bripat9643]

Big business loves cheap labor. The way to avoid it is not to apply for those lousy jobs. $10 an hour is a joke of a wage even for entry level low skill work.

The Immigration Reform on the table would import a minimum of 1,600,000 Business Visas annually.

That isn't "reform." It's making the problem 10 times worse.

So you disagree with Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio...Good!

Yes, we don't need to be importing any more tech workers into this country. We have plenty of unemployed tech workers here.

 

[bripat9643]

BS, total. We have regulated capitalism and lots of free trade here. Not a fucking thing has changed under the Dems

You know that's not true. Regulated capitalism is an oxymoron.

Nope, the exact opposite. That is why no country on earth has such a thing.

The reason no country has one is because the world is infested with servile bootlicking toadies like you who want to regulate everything. They just can't stand the idea of people solving their own problems.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Really? I've never attended a funeral of either and don't know of anybody that has. What I do know is that my sister is a supervisor at the Cleveland Clinic and has countless stories to tell about VIP's from other countries that come here for treatment. Canada alone spends a billion dollars a year for their citizens to get treated here.

We have hot shit here, and good docs (if you can afford it that is) we just don't have quality public health. That's not open heart surgery, that's a flu shot and a well baby checkup, at no cost.

Well you either have a system where most are treated by our quality care or every single person is treated and we don't have as good of care.

I guess it's all in what you expect out of our medical care system.

You are making a false choice. You can have good quality and everyone treated. That should always be the goal. And in that system the old die so that you have the money to keep the kids alive. It's rational, and it works.

Will you hold the same opinion when you grow old and finances dictate your survival? I doubt it when you find God for the first time in your Godless life and want to cling on to every hour of the day that you can.

Medical care is expensive no matter what country you go to. It's just a matter of who is going to pay for it. Great medical care costs great money. Crappy medical care is much less expensive but everybody gets that crappy care. We are one of the only countries in the world where you get great care, but not everybody gets care.

But you don't have to look over our borders to find that out. Look within our borders at Medicare, Medicaid and even the VA. Plenty of problems there because of plenty of cost cutting by our government. Why would anybody want to see these programs extended to each and every American is beyond me.

Medicare is better health insurance than most any insurance policy you can buy today. With hospital coverage (part A) at no cost and outpatient (Part B) at $104/mo. It's a bargain. Add a supplement to get drug coverage, limit maximum out of pocket expenses, and other goodies for about a $100 and you have a better plan than you can buy on the exchanges or anywhere else. 9 out of 10 doctors in the US are accepting new Medicare patients. and over 99% of the hospitals accept Medicare. No insurance company has wider coverage than Medicare.

Medicaid has made huge improvements and it's good insurance but because it's a state/federal cost sharing program how good depends on the state. In most states, you have a choice of providers (insurance companies). They offer all essential benefits in Obamacare at no premium, no co-pays, no deductibles. In my state 60% of the doctors are accepting new Medicaid patients. In some states due to low reimbursement rates, that percentage is as low 40%.

Well it all depends on how many private insured and private pay patients these facilities have. If you look at closed down facilities, they usually take place in lower income areas where the majority of people are government patients. They have no private insurance or private pay people to recoup losses.

Medicaid is considered the worst possible care anybody can get in the USA. This is not to mention how many of these programs get ripped off by the billions every year which doesn't happen nearly as much with insurance companies because they use (or have used) some of their money for investigative fraud.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We have the lowest number of working adults since 1975...read it and weep...

We have lots of old folks, which makes up most of that number.

Not really because those old folks are still working. It's the younger people--particularly in college that don't want to work. They were brought up with the entitlement mentality.

BS, total.

Civilian labor force participation rates by age, sex, race, and ethnicity

 

[bripat9643]

These nut jobs think that you are a communist who wants the state to own and run everything if you do not believe in completely unregulated market capitalism. These people are nuts. You can't reason with them

You are the unreasonable one...Capitalism fed your ass and purchased you video games and I phone and your daddy's pick up ect ect ect and built the greatest nation and the best place to live on the planet. Your kids and grandchildren will not be so fortunate.

I never said I had anything against capitalism, just uncontrolled capitalism. The middle class would never have grown as big as it did without unions. Get a clue already.

That's liberal propaganda. Unions didn't grow the middle class. Capitalism did. The middle class was already in full flower in 1929.

 

[bripat9643]

I never said I had anything against capitalism, just uncontrolled capitalism. The middle class would never have grown as big as it did without unions. Get a clue already

Unions grew because a capitalist decided to make something someone wanted.
Where would the unions be without manufacturing. Union jobs built the middle class not unions alone.

Without the unions, those jobs would have barely paid above minimum wage.

Explain why I make many times the minimum wage. I don't belong to a union.

 

[bripat9643]

I know what mainfest destiny is, dumbfuck. I asked you what a "manifest destiny shithole" is.

At least try to give the impression you don't have a single digit I.Q.

I don't think any shitholes are left.
Dodge City was one of them.
You know, the city that has been totally rebuilt without money on hand.

Go ahead, next ad hominem.

What was the population of Dodge "City," 500 people?

Enough to fill the bar.

In other words, it was just a shit little jerkwater town.

A typical Manifest Destiny town.
God, Glory and Gold.
Plus a few dead Native Americans never hurt anybody.

You still haven't explained what a "manifest destiny city" is.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

These nut jobs think that you are a communist who wants the state to own and run everything if you do not believe in completely unregulated market capitalism. These people are nuts. You can't reason with them

You are the unreasonable one...Capitalism fed your ass and purchased you video games and I phone and your daddy's pick up ect ect ect and built the greatest nation and the best place to live on the planet. Your kids and grandchildren will not be so fortunate.

I never said I had anything against capitalism, just uncontrolled capitalism. The middle class would never have grown as big as it did without unions. Get a clue already.

That's liberal propaganda. Unions didn't grow the middle class. Capitalism did. The middle class was already in full flower in 1929.

What unions did was bring non-skilled people into the middle-class. The problem with that is that nothing good lasts forever. People left high school and got monkey jobs that paid well with benefits. They would inspect parts, turn nuts onto bolts, ride around on a floor sweeping machine, pull a lever on a machine when a part was put into place.

That was fine and dandy until those jobs became automated or left the country. Then, people found themselves in their middle ages with a family and no skill or trade to support them with. For many, it was a little too late in life to go to college or learn a trade, so they had no choice but to take lower wage jobs.

Without unions, some of those very same people would have made strides to getting a career. They might have attended college, might have learned a trade, might have started up their own business. But no, they thought those brainless jobs would be there forever because the unions said so.

Unions have done a lot of good for people, but they've also done a lot of bad that few would admit to.

 

[Staidhup]

Brought to you courtesy of the progressive movement. Its the real meaning of what hope and change is all about. So have you had enough yet?

 

[Indeependent]

I don't think any shitholes are left.
Dodge City was one of them.
You know, the city that has been totally rebuilt without money on hand.

Go ahead, next ad hominem.

What was the population of Dodge "City," 500 people?

Enough to fill the bar.

In other words, it was just a shit little jerkwater town.

A typical Manifest Destiny town.
God, Glory and Gold.
Plus a few dead Native Americans never hurt anybody.

You still haven't explained what a "manifest destiny city" is.

You're kidding?
What the heck do you think all those Protestants built when they were headed out West to kill the Natives.
They had to stop somewhere along the way where they could build houses that were destroyed after every storm and have mud streets where the horses could shit.
Not to mention the water they had to boil to take a 15 second shower.
Than the damn Liberals came along and fined people for leaving horse crap all over the place.

 

[Programmer]

Welcome to capitalism, baby. Capitalists love cheap labor and there is no such thing as a middle-class in capitalism...

Yes, I wish we had Socialist utopia like Cuba, where if you earn one penny over $25 a day your tossed in a hell hole prison to rot.

Your inability to be rational is noted. Now try posting something accurate like something related to the dark side of capitalism. It has one, like it or not.

What's the matter, afraid to talk about the record of socialism and the trail of despair and poverty it leaves behind wherever it touches?


"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries." - Winston Churchill

I have no issues discussing socialism but in your case the problem is not socialism, it's capitalism, which you seem to be unable to get your tiny mind around. The government isn't forcing people to work for 30k, it's all they can manage, in a capitalist system eh?

The founder of Home Depot was unemployed and decided to open a hardware store. The rest is history. And as he says, government regulations prevent anyone from again doing what he did.
The problem is government preventing people from prospering.

This is not true of regulations. Lowe's.

 

[Programmer]

But don’t worry, we’re bringing in lots of immigrants who’ll be happy to work for less than even that.

And the highly exalted, great American "job creators" are more than happy to hire them.

Yeppers. Capitalists love cheap labor, as cheap as can be found, which is why they're here in the first place.

To the contrary, we like machines and engineers, programs and programmers. We'll pay top dollar.

 

[Indeependent]

But don’t worry, we’re bringing in lots of immigrants who’ll be happy to work for less than even that.

And the highly exalted, great American "job creators" are more than happy to hire them.

Yeppers. Capitalists love cheap labor, as cheap as can be found, which is why they're here in the first place.

To the contrary, we like machines and engineers, programs and programmers. We'll pay top dollar.

Who is "we"?
The United States or YOU?

 

[jasonnfree]

These nut jobs think that you are a communist who wants the state to own and run everything if you do not believe in completely unregulated market capitalism. These people are nuts. You can't reason with them

You are the unreasonable one...Capitalism fed your ass and purchased you video games and I phone and your daddy's pick up ect ect ect and built the greatest nation and the best place to live on the planet. Your kids and grandchildren will not be so fortunate.

I never said I had anything against capitalism, just uncontrolled capitalism. The middle class would never have grown as big as it did without unions. Get a clue already.

That's liberal propaganda. Unions didn't grow the middle class. Capitalism did. The middle class was already in full flower in 1929.

What unions did was bring non-skilled people into the middle-class. The problem with that is that nothing good lasts forever. People left high school and got monkey jobs that paid well with benefits. They would inspect parts, turn nuts onto bolts, ride around on a floor sweeping machine, pull a lever on a machine when a part was put into place.

That was fine and dandy until those jobs became automated or left the country. Then, people found themselves in their middle ages with a family and no skill or trade to support them with. For many, it was a little too late in life to go to college or learn a trade, so they had no choice but to take lower wage jobs.

Without unions, some of those very same people would have made strides to getting a career. They might have attended college, might have learned a trade, might have started up their own business. But no, they thought those brainless jobs would be there forever because the unions said so.

Unions have done a lot of good for people, but they've also done a lot of bad that few would admit to.

Heaven forbid that a low skilled worker live a middle class existence. By the way, not everybody doing low skilled work has the ability to become educated and work their way up the ladder. Also, many that have some abilities to advance, have families, and would rather spend time with their kids at night instead of in night school, especially after eight hours of work and hours on the freeway to boot. I would think republicans who talk the family values talk, would understand this. Gotta love red china though. They agree with the republicans in this country and don't allow unions any power, which keeps corporate profits high, and wages low. The offshoring and trickle down reagan type tax policies is what has killed the middle class in this country.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Yes, I wish we had Socialist utopia like Cuba, where if you earn one penny over $25 a day your tossed in a hell hole prison to rot.

Your inability to be rational is noted. Now try posting something accurate like something related to the dark side of capitalism. It has one, like it or not.

What's the matter, afraid to talk about the record of socialism and the trail of despair and poverty it leaves behind wherever it touches?


"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries." - Winston Churchill

I have no issues discussing socialism but in your case the problem is not socialism, it's capitalism, which you seem to be unable to get your tiny mind around. The government isn't forcing people to work for 30k, it's all they can manage, in a capitalist system eh?

The founder of Home Depot was unemployed and decided to open a hardware store. The rest is history. And as he says, government regulations prevent anyone from again doing what he did.
The problem is government preventing people from prospering.

This is not true of regulations. Lowe's.

Lowes was started in 1946. Thanks for validating that government regulations smother business start-ups.