72% Believe Small Business Owners Primarily Responsible for Their Own Success

[driveby]

Actually, it doesn't seem to me that any of the "conservatives" here are able to respond to that question. Roads are built to provide a method of moving goods and people. Roads are the blood vessels of the nation.

People here keep talking about how much they use roads and about their "fair share". But they completely ignore what those roads actually mean. If you own a business, you need for your customers to get to and from you. Those customers have to have homes and jobs they need to get to and from. If you manufacture, you need materials to come in and product to go out. The materials which built your building had to get to the site. You need power plants and sewage plants, which have to be built with materials that must be delivered to the site. If you have a computer, that had to be built with materials delivered by road, gotten to the store by road. Everything in your house you have because of the roads. The food you buy in the grocery store is only there because of the roads. Without them, commerce grinds to a halt. The roads go away and most of us are starving in a week.

The point of the speech, for those who actually took the time to read it, was that none of us live in a vacuum. We are part of a community and our jobs and businesses exist because of that community. We all have a stake, whether we want it or not, in that community. If the community ceases to function, your business ceases to exist.

If people don't want to vote for Obama, don't. But, for god's sake, make your decision based upon a rational view of reality and not some blind adherence to ideology. Just because I don't automatically assume anything the man does is evil does not mean I worship him. If you think it does, you are wearing a set of really huge blinders.

Roads do not make a business. Period.

Tell that to FedEx. Or UPS. Or DHL. Or any trucking company.

You're a fucking idiot. Shut the fuck up. For reals.

Those companies have paid enough in taxes to pay for those roads 20 times over, clown. Where is their muthafuckin refund check? For reals......

 

[ConservaDerrps]

Roads do not make a business. Period.

Tell that to FedEx. Or UPS. Or DHL. Or any trucking company.

You're a fucking idiot. Shut the fuck up. For reals.

Still trying to spin that I see. Now you're so desparate that you have to tell people not to post?

Stick a fork in Derrps, he's done.[/QUOTE]

Spin what? Do you think FedEx, UPS or DHL would survive without tax-payer funded roads and highways? Or trucking companies? Here's a clue, old man, it's not "Spin" when it's just honest to God truth. Those companies would be FUCKED without access to the highways and roads we pay for.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Roads do not make a business. Period.

Tell that to FedEx. Or UPS. Or DHL. Or any trucking company.

You're a fucking idiot. Shut the fuck up. For reals.

Those companies have paid enough in taxes to pay for those roads 20 times over, clown. Where is their muthafuckin refund check? For reals......

What do you base that claim on?

 

[ConservaDerrps]

Roads do not make a business. Period.

Tell that to FedEx. Or UPS. Or DHL. Or any trucking company.

You're a fucking idiot. Shut the fuck up. For reals.

Those companies have paid enough in taxes to pay for those roads 20 times over, clown. Where is their muthafuckin refund check? For reals......

Hey, Dummy, before you go and make a massive bold claim like that, you might want to do some research. You might be right, but you could be massively wrong if any of those companies are the ones that skirt taxes so well they don't actually pay any. Just sayin'.

 

[ConservaDerrps]

Google.Is.Your.Friend.
Study on corporate tax 'dodgers' names Memphis-based FedEx, Int'l Paper » The Commercial Appeal

Memphis-based FedEx Corp. paid no corporate income taxes in 2008 and International Paper Co. paid none last year, according to a study by Citizens for Tax Justice and the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy released Friday.

 

[amrchaos]

It is true

Roads do not make a business a success

Roads help aid in the success of some businesses. Is this what Obama means? Then he should use more nuance in his speeches!

 

[theDoctorisIn]

It is true

Roads do not make a business a success

Roads help aid in the success of some businesses. Is this what Obama means? Then he should use more nuance in his speeches!

What "business" can you think of that would be a "success" without roads?

 

[amrchaos]

It is true

Roads do not make a business a success

Roads help aid in the success of some businesses. Is this what Obama means? Then he should use more nuance in his speeches!

What "business" can you think of that would be a "success" without roads?

There are fishermen that sell their product at their dock.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

It is true

Roads do not make a business a success

Roads help aid in the success of some businesses. Is this what Obama means? Then he should use more nuance in his speeches!

What "business" can you think of that would be a "success" without roads?

There are fishermen that sell their product at their dock.

How do their customers get to the dock? How do those fish get to stores/restaurants/homes?

 

[Skull Pilot]

I don't have to.....I am a member of our society. I pay into it and I benefit from it......just like businesses do

Then why all the bitching that someone else isn't paying a fair share. Or that using the roads makes businesses some kind of moochers? Everyone benefits from public infrastructure. Small business owners, as well as people who PAY taxes, all contribute to support that infrastructure. Now, there are right around 50% of the public who not only pay NO income taxes, they actually get "refunds" for money they did not pay...go figure.

As soon as someone starts bitching about the "50% of the country who pays no Federal income taxes" you can dismiss them as being a party-programmed robot. It takes about 30 seconds of Google power to figure out WHY those people don't pay taxes:

They don't make enough money to. Oh, and a lot of them may actually be super rich too, using tax havens to hide their money. Just sayin'.

Bullshit.

They make enough money to pay taxes. Everyone makes enough money to pay some income taxes.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Then why all the bitching that someone else isn't paying a fair share. Or that using the roads makes businesses some kind of moochers? Everyone benefits from public infrastructure. Small business owners, as well as people who PAY taxes, all contribute to support that infrastructure. Now, there are right around 50% of the public who not only pay NO income taxes, they actually get "refunds" for money they did not pay...go figure.

As soon as someone starts bitching about the "50% of the country who pays no Federal income taxes" you can dismiss them as being a party-programmed robot. It takes about 30 seconds of Google power to figure out WHY those people don't pay taxes:

They don't make enough money to. Oh, and a lot of them may actually be super rich too, using tax havens to hide their money. Just sayin'.

Bullshit.

They make enough money to pay taxes. Everyone makes enough money to pay some income taxes.

The argument that "50% of Americans don't pay taxes" is hilarious to me - especially since it's a statistical certainty that a good number of the people who constantly bitch about it pay "no taxes" themselves.

 

[amrchaos]

What "business" can you think of that would be a "success" without roads?

There are fishermen that sell their product at their dock.

How do their customers get to the dock? How do those fish get to stores/restaurants/homes?

Who says that a fisherman must sell his product to a middle man?

Also, not all docks all located by roads. You are thinking too much in the Industrial Age sense to understand that not every nation had an widesweeping industrial change to their societies.

Think outside the American box. Not every business is located by a road.

 

[Stephanie]

As soon as someone starts bitching about the "50% of the country who pays no Federal income taxes" you can dismiss them as being a party-programmed robot. It takes about 30 seconds of Google power to figure out WHY those people don't pay taxes:

They don't make enough money to. Oh, and a lot of them may actually be super rich too, using tax havens to hide their money. Just sayin'.

Bullshit.

They make enough money to pay taxes. Everyone makes enough money to pay some income taxes.

The argument that "50% of Americans don't pay taxes" is hilarious to me - especially since it's a statistical certainty that a good number of the people who constantly bitch about it pay "no taxes" themselves.

it's not pay no taxes, it's pay no Federal income taxes.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

There are fishermen that sell their product at their dock.

How do their customers get to the dock? How do those fish get to stores/restaurants/homes?

Who says that a fisherman must sell his product to a middle man?

Also, not all docks all located by roads. You are thinking too much in the Industrial Age sense to understand that not every nation had an widesweeping industrial change to their societies.

Think outside the American box. Not every business is located by a road.

You're right, but we're not talking about pre-Industrial age, nor are we talking about somewhere other than "America".

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Bullshit.

They make enough money to pay taxes. Everyone makes enough money to pay some income taxes.

The argument that "50% of Americans don't pay taxes" is hilarious to me - especially since it's a statistical certainty that a good number of the people who constantly bitch about it pay "no taxes" themselves.

it's not pay no taxes, it's pay no Federal income taxes.

And it's a statistical certainty that a large number of the "Conservatives" on this message board who whine about it pay no Federal Income Taxes themselves...

 

[BlindBoo]

and the romney haters arent doing that, its fun to point in one direction.

Did I say that they were not?

However I feel there is a lot more hate out there for President Obama than there is for Mitt Romney.

Could be obama has done far more to earn the hard feelings expressed by so many against his FAILED ideology, his FAILED policies, his FAILED presidency...

Could be I suppose, but in reality the people who hated him in Jan of 09 we saying the exact same thing then.

Hmm why is that do you suppose?

 

[Stephanie]

The argument that "50% of Americans don't pay taxes" is hilarious to me - especially since it's a statistical certainty that a good number of the people who constantly bitch about it pay "no taxes" themselves.

it's not pay no taxes, it's pay no Federal income taxes.

And it's a statistical certainty that a large number of the "Conservatives" on this message board who whine about it pay no Federal Income Taxes themselves...

if you say so..

 

[BlindBoo]

There that critical thinking again, I am part of that village,what you think everyone has to pay millions individually??

I pay base on my road use,through gas and fuel taxes,state taxes,local taxes It my fair share

Try again.

So, buddy, thanks for proving Barack Obama's point for him. You didn't do everything on your own. Your business would be an utter failure without roads and highways that the GOVERNMENT pays for and then taxes us to cover the cost of.

Oops! You just stepped on a truth bomb, muhfacka!

Also airports, railroads, schools, broadband, etc etc are falling apart under voodoo in comparison to other countries. Only the top 1% are raking it in (270% growth in wealth). Not to mention the Pub deregulaion and cronyism that caused the SECOND Pub World Depression.

Romneycare now has the lowest cost rises, 2% annually as opposed to 15% elsewhere and for YEARS. THAT"S the problem with Medicaid/care....

Electic Grid, Phone lines, Sewers, Waste processing, Water supplies, Water drainage.....God Damn those Socialist bastards!

 

[Skull Pilot]

As soon as someone starts bitching about the "50% of the country who pays no Federal income taxes" you can dismiss them as being a party-programmed robot. It takes about 30 seconds of Google power to figure out WHY those people don't pay taxes:

They don't make enough money to. Oh, and a lot of them may actually be super rich too, using tax havens to hide their money. Just sayin'.

Bullshit.

They make enough money to pay taxes. Everyone makes enough money to pay some income taxes.

The argument that "50% of Americans don't pay taxes" is hilarious to me - especially since it's a statistical certainty that a good number of the people who constantly bitch about it pay "no taxes" themselves.

For the umpteenth time that particular statistic refers to federal income tax not to all taxes.

Anyone with an income can afford to pay some income tax.

 

[Skull Pilot]

How do their customers get to the dock? How do those fish get to stores/restaurants/homes?

Who says that a fisherman must sell his product to a middle man?

Also, not all docks all located by roads. You are thinking too much in the Industrial Age sense to understand that not every nation had an widesweeping industrial change to their societies.

Think outside the American box. Not every business is located by a road.

You're right, but we're not talking about pre-Industrial age, nor are we talking about somewhere other than "America".

The boost that roads gave to business was a one off.

Since roads are now ubiquitous in this country they confer no advantage to a business.