A 1 percenter tells the truth about "job creators"

[Wonky Pundit]

Why? Do defense contractors suddenly go out of business?

Why should they defend a government-less territory? Especially if foreigners can pay them better?

Why should they defend a government territory? Presumably because they have no interest in being invaded and taken over anymore than somebody who works at McDonalds.

So that whole "provide for the common defense" thing in the Constitution is clearly something you completely repudiate. Got it.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Why should they defend a government-less territory? Especially if foreigners can pay them better?

Why should they defend a government territory? Presumably because they have no interest in being invaded and taken over anymore than somebody who works at McDonalds.

So that whole "provide for the common defense" thing in the Constitution is clearly something you completely repudiate. Got it.

The government doesn't believe in the Constitution so why should I?

 

[Wonky Pundit]

Why should they defend a government territory? Presumably because they have no interest in being invaded and taken over anymore than somebody who works at McDonalds.

So that whole "provide for the common defense" thing in the Constitution is clearly something you completely repudiate. Got it.

The government doesn't believe in the Constitution so why should I?

I didn't state that you should. So far, however, I haven't seen you come up with any concept of governance that's anywhere near as good, much less better than the Constitution. But keep trying; the world would never improve without its dreamers.

 

[Troubled_CA]

so we cut taxes for the middle class and up taxes on the rich

Didn't that drag out the Great Depression until Reagan?
.

Well ACTUALLY, NO it didn't, silly con.

Socialist policies, REGULATIONS and WWII, put people back to work, ended the depression.

The depression caused by deregulation, by the conservatives of the time.

from the end of WWII until REAGAN took office, there was little national debt.
The Dems controlled congress for that 40 years, PERIOD.

The Rich had high taxes, the middle class had similar taxes to today.

the Middle class boomed.

Cons like to rewrite History.

Shall we now discuss how Reagan TRIPLED the national debt, since you bring him up?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

So that whole "provide for the common defense" thing in the Constitution is clearly something you completely repudiate. Got it.

The government doesn't believe in the Constitution so why should I?

I didn't state that you should. So far, however, I haven't seen you come up with any concept of governance that's anywhere near as good, much less better than the Constitution. But keep trying; the world would never improve without its dreamers.

Well I'd be happy with a return to the Articles of Confederation, but the idea that a government can be restrained when given the power to ascertain the limits of its own power has been a failed experiment. With that in mind, I'm not particularly interested in coming up with a new system of governance, because that's the problem in the first place.

 

[Troubled_CA]

Let the country run itself, and what I mean by that is: Let people voluntarily associate with whomever they like in economic or social situations. We don't need people on high telling us what to do.

Pretty sure you haven't thought this milarky, out.

Kevin dreams of the wild west and gun fight and robber barons.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Let the country run itself, and what I mean by that is: Let people voluntarily associate with whomever they like in economic or social situations. We don't need people on high telling us what to do.

Pretty sure you haven't thought this milarky, out.

Kevin dreams of the wild west and gun fight and robber barons.

I'm not surprised that you could only cite two widely believed myths to try to undercut me.

 

[Troubled_CA]

Thousands of people who go to those malls work for Donald Trump. He provides them with jobs. He creates their "demand" by providing them with money to spend. Without the job people like him provide, there wouldn't be any "demand" for anything sold in the mall.

Silly con.

People with JOBS support Donald Trump by buying his condos/offices.

People with GOOD jobs.

Give it up.

The Middle class Demand powers this economy.
Not rich people.

We spend BILLIONS just on Fast Food EACH DAY.
the 1% don't.

same goes for gas and food.

It's US that power this economy, not THEM.


You make it sound like Donald GIVES them jobs out of the goodness of his heart.

pretty sure he needs workers just as much as they need him.

 

[AmazonTania]

Here's a simple question for some of y'all. Which came first? The mobile (cell) phone or the demand for it?

Apparently something can just be created simply by desire, without it ever being produced or created.

 

[Troubled_CA]

I'm not surprised that you could only cite two widely believed myths to try to undercut me.

the lawless of the western states in the 1800's and robber Barons are now a myth?

The wacky Right are rewriting history, back that far?


Undercut you?? not necessary.

You advocate a society of no laws.

I am pointing out what that gets you.

Cons seem to be hell bent to get back to the last century.

 

[AmazonTania]

so we cut taxes for the middle class and up taxes on the rich

Didn't that drag out the Great Depression until Reagan?
.

Well ACTUALLY, NO it didn't, silly con.

Socialist policies, REGULATIONS and WWII, put people back to work, ended the depression.

How?

The depression caused by deregulation, by the conservatives of the time.

Which provisions?

from the end of WWII until REAGAN took office, there was little national debt.
The Dems controlled congress for that 40 years, PERIOD.

Define 'little?'

The Rich had high taxes, the middle class had similar taxes to today.

Did they?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

I'm not surprised that you could only cite two widely believed myths to try to undercut me.

the lawless of the western states in the 1800's and robber Barons are now a myth?

The wacky Right are rewriting history, back that far?


Undercut you?? not necessary.

You advocate a society of no laws.

I am pointing out what that gets you.

Cons seem to be hell bent to get back to the last century.

Yes, the "wild" west and "robber barons" are myths.

And I do not advocate a society of no laws.

 

[Troubled_CA]

Apparently something can just be created simply by desire, without it ever being produced or created.

Demand rules.

If no one wants IT, you can't sell it, regardless of price.

as for cell phones, there was a Demand for better communication.
a demand that has been in place for millennium.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Apparently something can just be created simply by desire, without it ever being produced or created.

Demand rules.

If no one wants IT, you can't sell it, regardless of price.

as for cell phones, there was a Demand for better communication.
a demand that has been in place for millennium.

If no one produces IT, you can't buy it, regardless of how much you're willing to pay.

 

[AmazonTania]

Apparently something can just be created simply by desire, without it ever being produced or created.

Demand rules.

If no one wants IT, you can't sell it, regardless of price.

You cannot sell IT if it hasn't been produced.

as for cell phones, there was a Demand for better communication.
a demand that has been in place for millennium.

There is always a demand for better communicate. For example, I demand a hologram so I can speak with with my friends as if they are in the same room with me, without actually being here. Me, along with billions of other Star War nerds.

Because of increasing demand for this, Apple along with Verizon is going to sell it to us. It's called the "iGram" and it's going to be released in 2016. I can't wait.

 

[Troubled_CA]

Yes, the "wild" west and "robber barons" are myths.

I can't post full links yet

.famouswhy.com/List/c/Robber_barons/]List of Robber barons - Famouswhy

wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_were_the_robber_barons

so much for your intellect.

or perhaps it's just your point of view.

Not Robber Barons, captains of industry, right Kev?

And I do not advocate a society of no laws.

Perhaps you should be more clear.

We don't need people on high telling us what to do.

this sounds like no government to me.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Yes, the "wild" west and "robber barons" are myths.

I can't post full links yet

.famouswhy.com/List/c/Robber_barons/]List of Robber barons - Famouswhy

wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_were_the_robber_barons

so much for your intellect.

or perhaps it's just your point of view.

Not Robber Barons, captains of industry, right Kev?

And I do not advocate a society of no laws.

Perhaps you should be more clear.

We don't need people on high telling us what to do.

this sounds like no government to me.

So much for my intellect? Because you posted a link?

The Truth About the "Robber Barons" - Thomas J. DiLorenzo - Mises Daily

I guess now we're both wrong.

Perhaps I should be more clear. How about this, no government doesn't mean no laws.

 

[Troubled_CA]

]
If no one produces IT, you can't buy it, regardless of how much you're willing to pay.

Silly.
If you will pay ANYTHING for it, you just have it made.

take the basic economic equation of supply and demand in relation to cost.

make Demand ZERO and the equation collapses.
cost crashes, and supply becomes worthless.

If you make supply zero, it causes the Demand and cost to SPIKE.

If you make cost zero, Demand spikes and supply is strained.

lack of Demand is the only thing that crashes the formula.

 

[asterism]

I am absolutely amazed that they people on the Right maintain that if we tax corporate profits more, they will stop crreating jobs. This is ludicrus, considering that the cost of labor is an expense, and is therefore deducted from revenues, before arriving at a profit which is then taxed. Increasing the tax rate on corporations increases the incentive for the corporation to hire more people, thereby increasing production, while drecreasing their tax rate. Are these people suffering from some kind of basic economic brain block?

No.

Higher taxes means higher costs, lower retained earnings, lower levels of capital that can be used to build new enterprises to hire people.

 

[Synthaholic]

I’d like to finish with a quick story.About 500 years ago, Copernicus and his pal Galileo came along and proved that the earth wasn’t the center of the solar system. A great achievement, but it didn’t go to well for them with the political leaders of the time. Remember that Galileo invented the telescope, so one could see, with one’s own eyes, the fact that he was right. You may recall, however, that the leaders of the time didn’t much care, because if earth wasn’t the center of the universe, then earth was diminished—and if earth was diminished, so were they. And that fact--their status and power--was the only fact they really cared about. So they told Galileo to stick his telescope where the sun didn’t shine and put him in jail for the rest of his life.

Yeah, I'm supposed to believe some moron that thinks Copernicus and Galileo were pals. Copernicus died in 1543 and Galileo was born in 1564.