francoHFW
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We've had 288 mass shootings, the rest of the world 8 or so. Our background check system and Mental Health system are jokes. Thanks GOP and silly DukDu.
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A bet with anti-gunners
- Thread starter Ray From Cleveland
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jillian
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In the many discussions of mass murders, the dichotomy is that anti-gunners think they have the solution by restrictions on guns. The pro-gunners think that the way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Very differing opinions indeed.
On the right, we believe that no matter what gun laws are created, the bad guys will always find access to firearms. The left? They believe criminals will obey any and all laws. On the right, we believe (as has been demonstrated in Europe) that even if we could make all guns illegal, that won't stop killers. On the left, they believe that if a mental person doesn't have access to guns, they will take up video games instead. Now to the bet..........
Let's say that the Congress agreed to create a law that read we will give anti-gunners anything they want to stop mass murders (name your poison). The bill would be set to expire in four years. Now if within that time, we see one more mass murder (guns or otherwise) the law would prohibit any further gun restriction legislation for 50 years. If within that time, the law stops all mass murders, we allow the left to keep it and even create more restrictions.
Would any anti-gunner be willing to make this wager?
The reason I ask is that I don't think for one minute the anti-gunners really believe any of their demands would stop mass murders, or even reduce them. It's just something to complain about because we are against their suggestions.
What is “anti gun” about by wanting children, crazies, criminals or domestic abuses to have weapons?
Maybe you should let go or the NRA misreprepesentatioms
8 or so over how long? Ever? One year? I find that 8 figure hard to swallow if you mean ever.We've had 288 mass shootings, the rest of the world 8 or so. Our background check system and Mental Health system are jokes. Thanks GOP and silly DukDu."Mass shootings" are the bogeyman because the Media makes them a big splash. Like an airliner crashing which kills many at one time, they enjoy promoting calls to "do something" yet airline travel is statistically one of the safest. Violent crime, including homicides committed by people with guns has been trending significantly down for decades, yet the media wants you to think we have to fear mass shootings more than any other activity. You want to remain significantly safer? Don't drive, or ride in a motor vehicle.
As human being we tend to overact with emotion, to "do something" even if we know it will be ineffective, or perhaps counterproductive.
More people get killed on a holiday weekend in Chicago than a mass shooting. The media is the most proficient brainwashing organization we have in this country. All they have to do is sensationalize any story, and the sheep flock to it.
The way you go about it, that's what.In the many discussions of mass murders, the dichotomy is that anti-gunners think they have the solution by restrictions on guns. The pro-gunners think that the way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Very differing opinions indeed.
On the right, we believe that no matter what gun laws are created, the bad guys will always find access to firearms. The left? They believe criminals will obey any and all laws. On the right, we believe (as has been demonstrated in Europe) that even if we could make all guns illegal, that won't stop killers. On the left, they believe that if a mental person doesn't have access to guns, they will take up video games instead. Now to the bet..........
Let's say that the Congress agreed to create a law that read we will give anti-gunners anything they want to stop mass murders (name your poison). The bill would be set to expire in four years. Now if within that time, we see one more mass murder (guns or otherwise) the law would prohibit any further gun restriction legislation for 50 years. If within that time, the law stops all mass murders, we allow the left to keep it and even create more restrictions.
Would any anti-gunner be willing to make this wager?
The reason I ask is that I don't think for one minute the anti-gunners really believe any of their demands would stop mass murders, or even reduce them. It's just something to complain about because we are against their suggestions.
What is “anti gun” about by wanting children, crazies, criminals or domestic abuses to have weapons?
francoHFW
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- Sep 5, 2011
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Since 20098 or so over how long? Ever? One year? I find that 8 figure hard to swallow if you mean ever.We've had 288 mass shootings, the rest of the world 8 or so. Our background check system and Mental Health system are jokes. Thanks GOP and silly DukDu."Mass shootings" are the bogeyman because the Media makes them a big splash. Like an airliner crashing which kills many at one time, they enjoy promoting calls to "do something" yet airline travel is statistically one of the safest. Violent crime, including homicides committed by people with guns has been trending significantly down for decades, yet the media wants you to think we have to fear mass shootings more than any other activity. You want to remain significantly safer? Don't drive, or ride in a motor vehicle.
As human being we tend to overact with emotion, to "do something" even if we know it will be ineffective, or perhaps counterproductive.
More people get killed on a holiday weekend in Chicago than a mass shooting. The media is the most proficient brainwashing organization we have in this country. All they have to do is sensationalize any story, and the sheep flock to it.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...ARAB&usg=AOvVaw3D8iUsPAtdkC9z88cK8fcd&cf=1
jillian
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If the NRA tells you so, huh?The way you go about it, that's what.In the many discussions of mass murders, the dichotomy is that anti-gunners think they have the solution by restrictions on guns. The pro-gunners think that the way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Very differing opinions indeed.
On the right, we believe that no matter what gun laws are created, the bad guys will always find access to firearms. The left? They believe criminals will obey any and all laws. On the right, we believe (as has been demonstrated in Europe) that even if we could make all guns illegal, that won't stop killers. On the left, they believe that if a mental person doesn't have access to guns, they will take up video games instead. Now to the bet..........
Let's say that the Congress agreed to create a law that read we will give anti-gunners anything they want to stop mass murders (name your poison). The bill would be set to expire in four years. Now if within that time, we see one more mass murder (guns or otherwise) the law would prohibit any further gun restriction legislation for 50 years. If within that time, the law stops all mass murders, we allow the left to keep it and even create more restrictions.
Would any anti-gunner be willing to make this wager?
The reason I ask is that I don't think for one minute the anti-gunners really believe any of their demands would stop mass murders, or even reduce them. It's just something to complain about because we are against their suggestions.
What is “anti gun” about by wanting children, crazies, criminals or domestic abuses to have weapons?
What “way” are they(not I) going about it?
2aguy
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- Jul 19, 2014
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We've had 288 mass shootings, the rest of the world 8 or so. Our background check system and Mental Health system are jokes. Thanks GOP and silly DukDu."Mass shootings" are the bogeyman because the Media makes them a big splash. Like an airliner crashing which kills many at one time, they enjoy promoting calls to "do something" yet airline travel is statistically one of the safest. Violent crime, including homicides committed by people with guns has been trending significantly down for decades, yet the media wants you to think we have to fear mass shootings more than any other activity. You want to remain significantly safer? Don't drive, or ride in a motor vehicle.
As human being we tend to overact with emotion, to "do something" even if we know it will be ineffective, or perhaps counterproductive.
More people get killed on a holiday weekend in Chicago than a mass shooting. The media is the most proficient brainwashing organization we have in this country. All they have to do is sensationalize any story, and the sheep flock to it.
We haven't had 288 mass shootings......that is a lie....Mother Jones has a data base of mass public shootings and that isn't even close to the number......and they go back to 1982...
2aguy
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Since 20098 or so over how long? Ever? One year? I find that 8 figure hard to swallow if you mean ever.We've had 288 mass shootings, the rest of the world 8 or so. Our background check system and Mental Health system are jokes. Thanks GOP and silly DukDu."Mass shootings" are the bogeyman because the Media makes them a big splash. Like an airliner crashing which kills many at one time, they enjoy promoting calls to "do something" yet airline travel is statistically one of the safest. Violent crime, including homicides committed by people with guns has been trending significantly down for decades, yet the media wants you to think we have to fear mass shootings more than any other activity. You want to remain significantly safer? Don't drive, or ride in a motor vehicle.
As human being we tend to overact with emotion, to "do something" even if we know it will be ineffective, or perhaps counterproductive.
More people get killed on a holiday weekend in Chicago than a mass shooting. The media is the most proficient brainwashing organization we have in this country. All they have to do is sensationalize any story, and the sheep flock to it.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...ARAB&usg=AOvVaw3D8iUsPAtdkC9z88cK8fcd&cf=1
Your link...garbage......they throw in everything to call it a school shooting, this has been shown to be a lie over and over again....
And here...embedded in your link...
School shootings in the US compared with the rest of the world - CNN
- We included gang violence, fights and domestic violence (but our count is NOT limited to those categories)
Making guns more or less illegal in some states and cities of the USA.If the NRA tells you so, huh?The way you go about it, that's what.In the many discussions of mass murders, the dichotomy is that anti-gunners think they have the solution by restrictions on guns. The pro-gunners think that the way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Very differing opinions indeed.
On the right, we believe that no matter what gun laws are created, the bad guys will always find access to firearms. The left? They believe criminals will obey any and all laws. On the right, we believe (as has been demonstrated in Europe) that even if we could make all guns illegal, that won't stop killers. On the left, they believe that if a mental person doesn't have access to guns, they will take up video games instead. Now to the bet..........
Let's say that the Congress agreed to create a law that read we will give anti-gunners anything they want to stop mass murders (name your poison). The bill would be set to expire in four years. Now if within that time, we see one more mass murder (guns or otherwise) the law would prohibit any further gun restriction legislation for 50 years. If within that time, the law stops all mass murders, we allow the left to keep it and even create more restrictions.
Would any anti-gunner be willing to make this wager?
The reason I ask is that I don't think for one minute the anti-gunners really believe any of their demands would stop mass murders, or even reduce them. It's just something to complain about because we are against their suggestions.
What is “anti gun” about by wanting children, crazies, criminals or domestic abuses to have weapons?
What “way” are they(not I) going about it?
Do you even read what you post?Since 20098 or so over how long? Ever? One year? I find that 8 figure hard to swallow if you mean ever.We've had 288 mass shootings, the rest of the world 8 or so. Our background check system and Mental Health system are jokes. Thanks GOP and silly DukDu."Mass shootings" are the bogeyman because the Media makes them a big splash. Like an airliner crashing which kills many at one time, they enjoy promoting calls to "do something" yet airline travel is statistically one of the safest. Violent crime, including homicides committed by people with guns has been trending significantly down for decades, yet the media wants you to think we have to fear mass shootings more than any other activity. You want to remain significantly safer? Don't drive, or ride in a motor vehicle.
As human being we tend to overact with emotion, to "do something" even if we know it will be ineffective, or perhaps counterproductive.
More people get killed on a holiday weekend in Chicago than a mass shooting. The media is the most proficient brainwashing organization we have in this country. All they have to do is sensationalize any story, and the sheep flock to it.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...ARAB&usg=AOvVaw3D8iUsPAtdkC9z88cK8fcd&cf=1
The link: school shootings
Your claim: mass shootings
Ray From Cleveland
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- Aug 16, 2015
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In the many discussions of mass murders, the dichotomy is that anti-gunners think they have the solution by restrictions on guns. The pro-gunners think that the way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Very differing opinions indeed.
On the right, we believe that no matter what gun laws are created, the bad guys will always find access to firearms. The left? They believe criminals will obey any and all laws. On the right, we believe (as has been demonstrated in Europe) that even if we could make all guns illegal, that won't stop killers. On the left, they believe that if a mental person doesn't have access to guns, they will take up video games instead. Now to the bet..........
Let's say that the Congress agreed to create a law that read we will give anti-gunners anything they want to stop mass murders (name your poison). The bill would be set to expire in four years. Now if within that time, we see one more mass murder (guns or otherwise) the law would prohibit any further gun restriction legislation for 50 years. If within that time, the law stops all mass murders, we allow the left to keep it and even create more restrictions.
Would any anti-gunner be willing to make this wager?
The reason I ask is that I don't think for one minute the anti-gunners really believe any of their demands would stop mass murders, or even reduce them. It's just something to complain about because we are against their suggestions.
What is “anti gun” about by wanting children, crazies, criminals or domestic abuses to have weapons?
Maybe you should let go or the NRA misreprepesentatioms
The NRA has nothing to do with it like they had nothing to do with one mass or school shooting. It's just you easily brainwashed people listen to your string pullers and actually believe the NRA is some sort of enemy.
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Ray From Cleveland
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We've had 288 mass shootings, the rest of the world 8 or so. Our background check system and Mental Health system are jokes. Thanks GOP and silly DukDu."Mass shootings" are the bogeyman because the Media makes them a big splash. Like an airliner crashing which kills many at one time, they enjoy promoting calls to "do something" yet airline travel is statistically one of the safest. Violent crime, including homicides committed by people with guns has been trending significantly down for decades, yet the media wants you to think we have to fear mass shootings more than any other activity. You want to remain significantly safer? Don't drive, or ride in a motor vehicle.
As human being we tend to overact with emotion, to "do something" even if we know it will be ineffective, or perhaps counterproductive.
More people get killed on a holiday weekend in Chicago than a mass shooting. The media is the most proficient brainwashing organization we have in this country. All they have to do is sensationalize any story, and the sheep flock to it.
Don't blame the GOP. They had nothing to do with it. You see, back in the 70's, Geraldo had his own prime time television show. He went on a rampage of people in mental institutions. He called them crime less prisons. He got the people behind it and finally they had to open the doors to these kook houses and allow the patients to go if they so chose. These people still roam our streets today, except we don't call them mentally ill, we call them homeless.
O'Connor v. Donaldson, 422 U.S. 563 (1975), was a landmark decision in mental health law. The United States Supreme Court ruled that a state cannot constitutionally confine a non-dangerous individual who is capable of surviving safely in freedom by themselves or with the help of willing and responsible family members or friends. Since the trial court jury found, upon ample evidence, that petitioner did so confine respondent, the Supreme Court upheld the trial court's conclusion that petitioner had violated respondent's right to liberty.[1][2][3]
O'Connor v. Donaldson - Wikipedia
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The last school shooting was not in a gun free zone - there were armed personnel there. Didn’t make a difference did it?But the numbers of firearms privately owned in the US is increasing and there is no drop off in the rates of school shootings. Those are increasing from what I see. Your suggestion has shown itself to be invalid.We never made the claim that we could stop mass murders. We accept that in a country of 315 million people, there are bound to be crazies who can get their hands on firearms, pipe bombs, rental trucks and so on.
Our suggestion is that to help reduce or stop these crimes, we need more guns; more teachers trained and armed, more armed security. Those measures do have positive effects.
You can have twice as many guns in the US as we have today. But it doesn't matter in Gun Free Zones you leftists love so much. We keep pointing out over and over that gun free zones is where most mass killings take place, but you on the left insist that has nothing to do with it.
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You mean like Soros?In the many discussions of mass murders, the dichotomy is that anti-gunners think they have the solution by restrictions on guns. The pro-gunners think that the way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Very differing opinions indeed.
On the right, we believe that no matter what gun laws are created, the bad guys will always find access to firearms. The left? They believe criminals will obey any and all laws. On the right, we believe (as has been demonstrated in Europe) that even if we could make all guns illegal, that won't stop killers. On the left, they believe that if a mental person doesn't have access to guns, they will take up video games instead. Now to the bet..........
Let's say that the Congress agreed to create a law that read we will give anti-gunners anything they want to stop mass murders (name your poison). The bill would be set to expire in four years. Now if within that time, we see one more mass murder (guns or otherwise) the law would prohibit any further gun restriction legislation for 50 years. If within that time, the law stops all mass murders, we allow the left to keep it and even create more restrictions.
Would any anti-gunner be willing to make this wager?
The reason I ask is that I don't think for one minute the anti-gunners really believe any of their demands would stop mass murders, or even reduce them. It's just something to complain about because we are against their suggestions.
What is “anti gun” about by wanting children, crazies, criminals or domestic abuses to have weapons?
Maybe you should let go or the NRA misreprepesentatioms
The NRA has nothing to do with it like they had nothing to do with one mass or school shooting. It's just you easily brainwashed people listen to your string pullers and actually believe the NRA is some sort of enemy.
Bootney Lee Farnsworth
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He gets unwarranted blame, sure. But, he does fund a lot of shit. He is decidedly a commie.You mean like Soros?
francoHFW
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They used to be all about gun safety. Now they are owned by gun manufacturers and will do anything to to sell more.In the many discussions of mass murders, the dichotomy is that anti-gunners think they have the solution by restrictions on guns. The pro-gunners think that the way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Very differing opinions indeed.
On the right, we believe that no matter what gun laws are created, the bad guys will always find access to firearms. The left? They believe criminals will obey any and all laws. On the right, we believe (as has been demonstrated in Europe) that even if we could make all guns illegal, that won't stop killers. On the left, they believe that if a mental person doesn't have access to guns, they will take up video games instead. Now to the bet..........
Let's say that the Congress agreed to create a law that read we will give anti-gunners anything they want to stop mass murders (name your poison). The bill would be set to expire in four years. Now if within that time, we see one more mass murder (guns or otherwise) the law would prohibit any further gun restriction legislation for 50 years. If within that time, the law stops all mass murders, we allow the left to keep it and even create more restrictions.
Would any anti-gunner be willing to make this wager?
The reason I ask is that I don't think for one minute the anti-gunners really believe any of their demands would stop mass murders, or even reduce them. It's just something to complain about because we are against their suggestions.
What is “anti gun” about by wanting children, crazies, criminals or domestic abuses to have weapons?
Maybe you should let go or the NRA misreprepesentatioms
The NRA has nothing to do with it like they had nothing to do with one mass or school shooting. It's just you easily brainwashed people listen to your string pullers and actually believe the NRA is some sort of enemy.
Andylusion
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In the many discussions of mass murders, the dichotomy is that anti-gunners think they have the solution by restrictions on guns. The pro-gunners think that the way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Very differing opinions indeed.
On the right, we believe that no matter what gun laws are created, the bad guys will always find access to firearms. The left? They believe criminals will obey any and all laws. On the right, we believe (as has been demonstrated in Europe) that even if we could make all guns illegal, that won't stop killers. On the left, they believe that if a mental person doesn't have access to guns, they will take up video games instead. Now to the bet..........
Let's say that the Congress agreed to create a law that read we will give anti-gunners anything they want to stop mass murders (name your poison). The bill would be set to expire in four years. Now if within that time, we see one more mass murder (guns or otherwise) the law would prohibit any further gun restriction legislation for 50 years. If within that time, the law stops all mass murders, we allow the left to keep it and even create more restrictions.
Would any anti-gunner be willing to make this wager?
The reason I ask is that I don't think for one minute the anti-gunners really believe any of their demands would stop mass murders, or even reduce them. It's just something to complain about because we are against their suggestions.
What is “anti gun” about by wanting children, crazies, criminals or domestic abuses to have weapons?
Maybe you should let go or the NRA misreprepesentatioms
So you think taking guns away from law abiding people, while criminals, crazies, and domestic abusers are armed..... is a brilliant solution?
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Iiiii
NRA funds a lot of shit too....and they have a vested interest in gun sales.He gets unwarranted blame, sure. But, he does fund a lot of shit. He is decidedly a commie.You mean like Soros?
francoHFW
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The GOP is behind the background check system, including on Mental Health. Reagan was behind empty the hospitals.We've had 288 mass shootings, the rest of the world 8 or so. Our background check system and Mental Health system are jokes. Thanks GOP and silly DukDu."Mass shootings" are the bogeyman because the Media makes them a big splash. Like an airliner crashing which kills many at one time, they enjoy promoting calls to "do something" yet airline travel is statistically one of the safest. Violent crime, including homicides committed by people with guns has been trending significantly down for decades, yet the media wants you to think we have to fear mass shootings more than any other activity. You want to remain significantly safer? Don't drive, or ride in a motor vehicle.
As human being we tend to overact with emotion, to "do something" even if we know it will be ineffective, or perhaps counterproductive.
More people get killed on a holiday weekend in Chicago than a mass shooting. The media is the most proficient brainwashing organization we have in this country. All they have to do is sensationalize any story, and the sheep flock to it.
Don't blame the GOP. They had nothing to do with it. You see, back in the 70's, Geraldo had his own prime time television show. He went on a rampage of people in mental institutions. He called them crime less prisons. He got the people behind it and finally they had to open the doors to these kook houses and allow the patients to go if they so chose. These people still roam our streets today, except we don't call them mentally ill, we call them homeless.
O'Connor v. Donaldson, 422 U.S. 563 (1975), was a landmark decision in mental health law. The United States Supreme Court ruled that a state cannot constitutionally confine a non-dangerous individual who is capable of surviving safely in freedom by themselves or with the help of willing and responsible family members or friends. Since the trial court jury found, upon ample evidence, that petitioner did so confine respondent, the Supreme Court upheld the trial court's conclusion that petitioner had violated respondent's right to liberty.[1][2][3]
O'Connor v. Donaldson - Wikipedia
francoHFW
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He funds movements for democracy and transparency. Nobody is a communist LOLHe gets unwarranted blame, sure. But, he does fund a lot of shit. He is decidedly a commie.You mean like Soros?
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