A black teen ran out with a $2 beer. Then a Tennessee store clerk followed him and shot him dead

[22lcidw]

I responded to the posts above my comment, asshole. If you don't see the whole picture STFU; maybe it's you who ought to stop taking stupid pill.

Regardless, he's still correct. There is no comparison to the two incidences.
They are totally different.

A person should not have their head slammed to the pavement and face possible death because they follow someone they think is suspicious.
The shooting was justified in the Trayvon Martin case.

Looking at all of the infant and toddler photos of Trayvon was so cute. Very few of older Trayvon. Trayvon was an ass. Zimmerman was an ass. I fully believe that Obama adding his racist self to opinion affected the case. I believe it was possible to get Zimmerman on a much lesser charge. Zimmerman would have had a hard time doing 10 years or so in prison. Now I am not saying he was guilty. There was a reason that an armed security guard was there. Lots of crime in that housing development.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Socialists will line up to say the store keeper is wrong. (The state owns everything)

Entrepreneurs will line up to tell you the shop keeper has the right to protect his property.

Entrepreneurs are the lifeblood of the economy.
Socialists are destructive to the economy.

Which should we protect?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Misdemeanor theft is not a death sentence.
Unjustified shooting

How about a GOOD public flogging (administered by the victim), and then some jail time and community service instead?

we've become a nation of savages.....too soft on savages....maybe we need to adapt justice accordingly?

You can't just let petty crime go unanswered. It's contagious.

The biggest problem with it is that everyone else not involved sees petty crime as just that, petty. But what about the victim? Just because it’s not a serious offense doesn’t mean being victimized by petty crime isn’t unfortunate enough to want to try and keep it from happening. By acting like petty crimes are no big deal we’re just empowering people to take their chances with it because taking what someone else has is easier than working for it. There’s a bigger societal problem that we’re concerned with here.

We have laws and punishments for petty crime.

How bout you get your ankles broken with a bat the next time you get caught speeding?

 

[Paulie]

Don’t get me wrong I would’ve liked to see the guy handle this without deadly force because at the end of the day kids are dumb. I was dumb. I did dumb shit as a kid and I’m glad I wasn’t killed by someone for any of it because I grew up and learned what it meant to assimilate with society and not be a problem. The issue here isn’t that the kid got shot it’s that society is this comfortable committing these kinds of crimes to begin with. Maybe we should punish petty theft harder. Maybe you should have to feel a little pain for doing it. Spending a night in jail isn’t really a punishment. We can punish these crimes harsher without having to ruin the rest of their lives. But clearly there isn’t enough of a deterrent if kids are willing to potentially have store owners pull guns on them for stealing a fucking beer

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I am a CONSERVATIVE and the store keeper was wrong.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The solution is not to basically legalize theft and expect the shop owners to absorb the losses. The solution is to stop opening businesses in these high crime areas. Then the residents can scream racism and there is no where convenient to shop.

You can't have small business and rampant theft.

 

[Paulie]

Misdemeanor theft is not a death sentence.
Unjustified shooting

How about a GOOD public flogging (administered by the victim), and then some jail time and community service instead?

we've become a nation of savages.....too soft on savages....maybe we need to adapt justice accordingly?

You can't just let petty crime go unanswered. It's contagious.

The biggest problem with it is that everyone else not involved sees petty crime as just that, petty. But what about the victim? Just because it’s not a serious offense doesn’t mean being victimized by petty crime isn’t unfortunate enough to want to try and keep it from happening. By acting like petty crimes are no big deal we’re just empowering people to take their chances with it because taking what someone else has is easier than working for it. There’s a bigger societal problem that we’re concerned with here.

We have laws and punishments for petty crime.

How bout you get your ankles broken with a bat the next time you get caught speeding?

What’s the worst you face if you’re under 18 and steal a beer? Each state is different so how does petty theft get handled where this happened?

 

[Paulie]

Misdemeanor theft is not a death sentence.
Unjustified shooting

How about a GOOD public flogging (administered by the victim), and then some jail time and community service instead?

we've become a nation of savages.....too soft on savages....maybe we need to adapt justice accordingly?

You can't just let petty crime go unanswered. It's contagious.

The biggest problem with it is that everyone else not involved sees petty crime as just that, petty. But what about the victim? Just because it’s not a serious offense doesn’t mean being victimized by petty crime isn’t unfortunate enough to want to try and keep it from happening. By acting like petty crimes are no big deal we’re just empowering people to take their chances with it because taking what someone else has is easier than working for it. There’s a bigger societal problem that we’re concerned with here.

We have laws and punishments for petty crime.

How bout you get your ankles broken with a bat the next time you get caught speeding?

Did I get caught speeding while under the influence of alcohol where I now endanger the lives of everyone else on the road with me? Maybe if I did I should get more than a 6 month loss of license since my risk could have irresponsibly KILLED other people. I’m not saying break peoples legs over a beer but I’m saying the way we’re currently punishing that type of crime apparently isn’t enough of a deterrent

 

[miketx]

Misdemeanor theft is not a death sentence.
Unjustified shooting

How about a GOOD public flogging (administered by the victim), and then some jail time and community service instead?

we've become a nation of savages.....too soft on savages....maybe we need to adapt justice accordingly?

You can't just let petty crime go unanswered. It's contagious.

The biggest problem with it is that everyone else not involved sees petty crime as just that, petty. But what about the victim? Just because it’s not a serious offense doesn’t mean being victimized by petty crime isn’t unfortunate enough to want to try and keep it from happening. By acting like petty crimes are no big deal we’re just empowering people to take their chances with it because taking what someone else has is easier than working for it. There’s a bigger societal problem that we’re concerned with here.

We have laws and punishments for petty crime.

How bout you get your ankles broken with a bat the next time you get caught speeding?

What’s the worst you face if you’re under 18 and steal a beer? Each state is different so how does petty theft get handled where this happened?

In this case, he was shot and bled to death.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Misdemeanor theft is not a death sentence.
Unjustified shooting

How about a GOOD public flogging (administered by the victim), and then some jail time and community service instead?

we've become a nation of savages.....too soft on savages....maybe we need to adapt justice accordingly?

You can't just let petty crime go unanswered. It's contagious.

The biggest problem with it is that everyone else not involved sees petty crime as just that, petty. But what about the victim? Just because it’s not a serious offense doesn’t mean being victimized by petty crime isn’t unfortunate enough to want to try and keep it from happening. By acting like petty crimes are no big deal we’re just empowering people to take their chances with it because taking what someone else has is easier than working for it. There’s a bigger societal problem that we’re concerned with here.

We have laws and punishments for petty crime.

How bout you get your ankles broken with a bat the next time you get caught speeding?

What’s the worst you face if you’re under 18 and steal a beer? Each state is different so how does petty theft get handled where this happened?

I remember stealing candy from a store when I was about 8. Well over 2 dollars worth. Thankfully I wasn't murdered.

 

[Paulie]

There is an immense different between a victimless crime and a crime involving a victim. If your crime willfully hurts someone else in any way that deserves a punishment strong enough that you think twice before ever doing it again. Locking people up isn’t even enough anymore. Maybe it’s time to rethink how we handle victim based crimes.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Misdemeanor theft is not a death sentence.
Unjustified shooting

How about a GOOD public flogging (administered by the victim), and then some jail time and community service instead?

we've become a nation of savages.....too soft on savages....maybe we need to adapt justice accordingly?

You can't just let petty crime go unanswered. It's contagious.

The biggest problem with it is that everyone else not involved sees petty crime as just that, petty. But what about the victim? Just because it’s not a serious offense doesn’t mean being victimized by petty crime isn’t unfortunate enough to want to try and keep it from happening. By acting like petty crimes are no big deal we’re just empowering people to take their chances with it because taking what someone else has is easier than working for it. There’s a bigger societal problem that we’re concerned with here.

We have laws and punishments for petty crime.

How bout you get your ankles broken with a bat the next time you get caught speeding?

Did I get caught speeding while under the influence of alcohol where I now endanger the lives of everyone else on the road with me? Maybe if I did I should get more than a 6 month loss of license since my risk could have irresponsibly KILLED other people. I’m not saying break peoples legs over a beer but I’m saying the way we’re currently punishing that type of crime apparently isn’t enough of a deterrent

What is a bigger threat to the public? Stealing a 2 dollar beer or speeding?

 

[Paulie]

Misdemeanor theft is not a death sentence.
Unjustified shooting

How about a GOOD public flogging (administered by the victim), and then some jail time and community service instead?

we've become a nation of savages.....too soft on savages....maybe we need to adapt justice accordingly?

You can't just let petty crime go unanswered. It's contagious.

The biggest problem with it is that everyone else not involved sees petty crime as just that, petty. But what about the victim? Just because it’s not a serious offense doesn’t mean being victimized by petty crime isn’t unfortunate enough to want to try and keep it from happening. By acting like petty crimes are no big deal we’re just empowering people to take their chances with it because taking what someone else has is easier than working for it. There’s a bigger societal problem that we’re concerned with here.

We have laws and punishments for petty crime.

How bout you get your ankles broken with a bat the next time you get caught speeding?

What’s the worst you face if you’re under 18 and steal a beer? Each state is different so how does petty theft get handled where this happened?

I remember stealing candy from a store when I was about 8. Well over 2 dollars worth. Thankfully I wasn't murdered.

So do I. I clearly stated I don’t agree with the sentence this man decided to hand out. But I maintain that we aren’t punishing these kinds of crimes harshly enough.

 

[Paulie]

Misdemeanor theft is not a death sentence.
Unjustified shooting

How about a GOOD public flogging (administered by the victim), and then some jail time and community service instead?

we've become a nation of savages.....too soft on savages....maybe we need to adapt justice accordingly?

You can't just let petty crime go unanswered. It's contagious.

The biggest problem with it is that everyone else not involved sees petty crime as just that, petty. But what about the victim? Just because it’s not a serious offense doesn’t mean being victimized by petty crime isn’t unfortunate enough to want to try and keep it from happening. By acting like petty crimes are no big deal we’re just empowering people to take their chances with it because taking what someone else has is easier than working for it. There’s a bigger societal problem that we’re concerned with here.

We have laws and punishments for petty crime.

How bout you get your ankles broken with a bat the next time you get caught speeding?

Did I get caught speeding while under the influence of alcohol where I now endanger the lives of everyone else on the road with me? Maybe if I did I should get more than a 6 month loss of license since my risk could have irresponsibly KILLED other people. I’m not saying break peoples legs over a beer but I’m saying the way we’re currently punishing that type of crime apparently isn’t enough of a deterrent

What is a bigger threat to the public? Stealing a 2 dollar beer or speeding?

You’re completely missing the point here. You’re smarter than this bro. I’m not comparing crimes I’m saying A LOT of them aren’t punished harshly enough. I haven’t even begun to delve into the nuances of how we would individually punish each one but obviously it would still be proportional, just harsher across the board. That doesn’t mean we have to murder a beer thief but damn, let’s at least give him enough of a reason not to take the risk to begin with.

 

[miketx]

Misdemeanor theft is not a death sentence.
Unjustified shooting

How about a GOOD public flogging (administered by the victim), and then some jail time and community service instead?

we've become a nation of savages.....too soft on savages....maybe we need to adapt justice accordingly?

You can't just let petty crime go unanswered. It's contagious.

The biggest problem with it is that everyone else not involved sees petty crime as just that, petty. But what about the victim? Just because it’s not a serious offense doesn’t mean being victimized by petty crime isn’t unfortunate enough to want to try and keep it from happening. By acting like petty crimes are no big deal we’re just empowering people to take their chances with it because taking what someone else has is easier than working for it. There’s a bigger societal problem that we’re concerned with here.

We have laws and punishments for petty crime.

How bout you get your ankles broken with a bat the next time you get caught speeding?

What’s the worst you face if you’re under 18 and steal a beer? Each state is different so how does petty theft get handled where this happened?

I remember stealing candy from a store when I was about 8. Well over 2 dollars worth. Thankfully I wasn't murdered.

When I was 7 for some reason I stole a mounds candy bar from a drugstore. It would have cost a dime. As I walked outside and rounded the corner the guy from the store grabbed and told me he knew who I was and that I had until tomorrow to bring him a dime for the candy or he would tell my parents.

So, being the conniving 7-year old I was, I went home and stole a dime from my grandma's coin purse to pay the guy. That ended my life of crime.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

How about a GOOD public flogging (administered by the victim), and then some jail time and community service instead?

we've become a nation of savages.....too soft on savages....maybe we need to adapt justice accordingly?

You can't just let petty crime go unanswered. It's contagious.

The biggest problem with it is that everyone else not involved sees petty crime as just that, petty. But what about the victim? Just because it’s not a serious offense doesn’t mean being victimized by petty crime isn’t unfortunate enough to want to try and keep it from happening. By acting like petty crimes are no big deal we’re just empowering people to take their chances with it because taking what someone else has is easier than working for it. There’s a bigger societal problem that we’re concerned with here.

We have laws and punishments for petty crime.

How bout you get your ankles broken with a bat the next time you get caught speeding?

What’s the worst you face if you’re under 18 and steal a beer? Each state is different so how does petty theft get handled where this happened?

I remember stealing candy from a store when I was about 8. Well over 2 dollars worth. Thankfully I wasn't murdered.

When I was 7 for some reason I stole a mounds candy bar from a drugstore. It would have cost a dime. As I walked outside and rounded the corner the guy from the store grabbed and told me he knew who I was and that I had until tomorrow to bring him a dime for the candy or he would tell my parents.

So, being the conniving 7-year old I was, I went home and stole a dime from my grandma's coin purse to pay the guy. That ended my life of crime.

My foster parents took me back to return it and apologize. Thankfully I still wasn't shot

 

[Paulie]

How about a GOOD public flogging (administered by the victim), and then some jail time and community service instead?

we've become a nation of savages.....too soft on savages....maybe we need to adapt justice accordingly?

You can't just let petty crime go unanswered. It's contagious.

The biggest problem with it is that everyone else not involved sees petty crime as just that, petty. But what about the victim? Just because it’s not a serious offense doesn’t mean being victimized by petty crime isn’t unfortunate enough to want to try and keep it from happening. By acting like petty crimes are no big deal we’re just empowering people to take their chances with it because taking what someone else has is easier than working for it. There’s a bigger societal problem that we’re concerned with here.

We have laws and punishments for petty crime.

How bout you get your ankles broken with a bat the next time you get caught speeding?

What’s the worst you face if you’re under 18 and steal a beer? Each state is different so how does petty theft get handled where this happened?

I remember stealing candy from a store when I was about 8. Well over 2 dollars worth. Thankfully I wasn't murdered.

When I was 7 for some reason I stole a mounds candy bar from a drugstore. It would have cost a dime. As I walked outside and rounded the corner the guy from the store grabbed and told me he knew who I was and that I had until tomorrow to bring hin a dime for the candy or he would tell my parents.

So, being the conniving 7-year old I was, I went home and stole a dime from my grandma's coin purse to pay the guy. That ended my life of crime.

Today, if a store owner tried that same tactic, the result would probably be much different. Today’s kids would most likely just start talking shit, maybe get belligerent, maybe get physical, make threats, you name it. People aren’t afraid to commit crimes anymore and it’s becoming a problem. The governments response was 3 strikes and you’re out. To this day they continue to use jail time as the main deterrent and you being an ex prison guard knows better than anyone that for many of these criminals life behind bars is better than anything else they have. So threatening criminals with a lifetime of prison for committing 3 felonies is fucking ridiculous. The only people who are afraid of jail are the suburban cul de sac’ers who wouldn’t last a day in there. But those aren’t the people committing most of the crimes though.

 

[Picaro]

Misdemeanor theft is not a death sentence.
Unjustified shooting

How about a GOOD public flogging (administered by the victim), and then some jail time and community service instead?

we've become a nation of savages.....too soft on savages....maybe we need to adapt justice accordingly?

You can't just let petty crime go unanswered. It's contagious.

The biggest problem with it is that everyone else not involved sees petty crime as just that, petty. But what about the victim? Just because it’s not a serious offense doesn’t mean being victimized by petty crime isn’t unfortunate enough to want to try and keep it from happening. By acting like petty crimes are no big deal we’re just empowering people to take their chances with it because taking what someone else has is easier than working for it. There’s a bigger societal problem that we’re concerned with here.

We have laws and punishments for petty crime.

How bout you get your ankles broken with a bat the next time you get caught speeding?

Did I get caught speeding while under the influence of alcohol where I now endanger the lives of everyone else on the road with me? Maybe if I did I should get more than a 6 month loss of license since my risk could have irresponsibly KILLED other people. I’m not saying break peoples legs over a beer but I’m saying the way we’re currently punishing that type of crime apparently isn’t enough of a deterrent

What is a bigger threat to the public? Stealing a 2 dollar beer or speeding?

Depends on how much was being stolen from that store on a regular basis that finally made the owner fed up enough to start defending his livelihood. UntiI I ever hear 'the rest of the story', I'll stick with the store owner on this one. Many of these little stores are owned by immigrants with little or no capital and the can ill afford to let these punk ass hood rats loot the place every day. Then the gimps will turn around and whine about living in 'food deserts' and boarded up shops, having to go miles and miles to get groceries. We already know their parent or guardian aren't going to punish the kid, not in ghetto land where they're taught they have a right to steal and rob from diaper age.

 

[mudwhistle]

I speak from my knowledge of the penal code in CA. Fl's law - stand your ground - is not justice, it's an excuse for murder.

Second-degree murder is defined as an intentional killing that was not premeditated. In some states, second-degree murder also encompasses “depraved heart murder,” which is a killing caused by a reckless disregard for human life. Second-degree murder is often seen as a catch-all category for intentional or reckless killings that do not fall within a state’s definition of first-degree murder. For instance, in California second-degree murder is defined as all murders that do not constitute first-degree murder. Understanding the precise contours of second-degree murder therefore requires looking to the laws of your particular state.

Second-Degree Murder Law | Justia

Wrong.

According to California's self-defense laws, a person cannot be charged or found guilty of murder or a violent crime if said action was done to protect oneself or another person. ... It's treated as one of the more severe crimes.

Can You Be Charged With Murder in California For Killing Someone in Self-Defense?| Simmrin Law Group

Stealing beer is not a threat to you.

 

[Paulie]

We handle criminals by slapping all kinds of life ruining shit to their rap sheets and watch them go in and out of jail their whole lives because the state eventually relegated them to a life with no other potential outcome. That permanent criminal record ruins people’s chances at redeeming themselves and lessens their resolve to straighten themselves out. If we just handled crimes individually and gave swift punishment right then and there and increased it each time they recommitted until they finally learned their lesson maybe things would change. And that person wouldn’t have their life ruined by permanent marks that follow them forever.