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Thats a pretty ignorant statement. Chattel slavery will forever be a american invention. Slavery prior to that did not remove the fact that these were people, humans and not livestock. Slaves frequently intermarried with their owners family and some rose to leadership positions. Only someone woefully ignorant of the facts or an out right liar would make the claim you just made.While many things have been invented in America, claiming slavery as one of them is about as far fetched as it is possible to get. Redefining it to some way to some subcategory of human ownership in order to attempt to make it seem worse has no apparent function other than divisiveness and guilt tripping. Owned is owned. Being born into slavery is being born into it. This existed throughout human history in all cultures. No one knows how many Europeans were sold into the Orient. Indigenous peoples did it to their own as well as others. No qualitative difference can be detected; it was always despicable.
youre the one that was making it about white people and ignoring a lot of the realities of history,, and we all already know you are a racist that blames everything on white people,,Just read where you went off topic and called me a racist like that would change the subject or the facts.where have I shown anger,,Youre angry which tells me what you wish to embrace.how do you know what I wish to embrace??I didnt say only white americans wrote history. There is a reason I know the truth. Other people recorded real history.your mistaken that only white americans wrote history,, and yes you are a racist,,How is it racist to point out that your white ancestors lied to you to make you feel better and you dont want to hear the facts?thats racist,,,Literally everything. Whites seem to lie to make themselves feel like they are better. This goes double for american whites.what truth are we getting wrong??Re working history means telling the truth. White america cant handle the truth. It would cause confusion and heighten the inferiority complex they already have.
I'm saying the version of history you wish to embrace is written by white people and taught in public schools.
What does that have to do with date everyone was free? You have to be free before you can vote.Why not the date when the majority of the population got the right to vote?Nevertheless, the principles in your bill of rights were just aspirational. And were for a long time. Why not recognise the date when they became reality ? Something that all Americans can celebrate.Genuine history is context and fact taken together. Given the world out of which the U.S. emerged, its concepts of government were radically liberal and liberating. Naturally, there were many who took advantage of this at the expense of others. Naturally, not everyone advanced at the same rate. Honesty dictates, nonetheless, that the real human benefits be recognized. Life was hard for the majority of people. The majority worked hard to exist. Poor men, women and minorities all took a back seat to the rich and powerful, just as in every other country. Yet, unlike almost every other nation, progress was made until everyone's lot improved and mistakes of the past were more and more corrected. Looking at what was accomplished in comparison with the rest of the world, America looks pretty good. It paid a heavy price for the involvement in slavery that it inherited from previous eons, but managed to survive and continue incremental improvement while many other areas of the world went nowhere, or even slid backward.
Youre getting angry again. Let me know when you want to discuss and can put your feelings aside.youre the one that was making it about white people and ignoring a lot of the realities of history,, and we all already know you are a racist that blames everything on white people,,Just read where you went off topic and called me a racist like that would change the subject or the facts.where have I shown anger,,Youre angry which tells me what you wish to embrace.how do you know what I wish to embrace??I didnt say only white americans wrote history. There is a reason I know the truth. Other people recorded real history.your mistaken that only white americans wrote history,, and yes you are a racist,,How is it racist to point out that your white ancestors lied to you to make you feel better and you dont want to hear the facts?thats racist,,,Literally everything. Whites seem to lie to make themselves feel like they are better. This goes double for american whites.what truth are we getting wrong??Re working history means telling the truth. White america cant handle the truth. It would cause confusion and heighten the inferiority complex they already have.
I'm saying the version of history you wish to embrace is written by white people and taught in public schools.
It is how you present it. "Independence Day" was anything but that for large numbers of Americans. Why persist with something so divisive. The past drags you down.how do you 'REWORK" history???
Juneteenth: How the US holiday is being celebrated
Here's how people are marking the commemoration of the last enslaved black American being freed.www.bbc.co.uk
The new national holiday has caused a lot of discussion about American history. July 4th seems to be a divisive date. Not least because "Independence Day" was anything but for many Americans.
Perhaps now is the time to re-evaluate the past and seek a consensus about what it means to be American.
The values and aspirations of the constitution cannot be faulted but the application fell well short for at least a couple of centuries. Is it not time to divide American history into two distinct segments. If you like an "Old Testament" and a "New Testament" .
So the New Testament would start from a time where the nation started to reflect the principles of its founders. You could argue for several different dates here. Juneteenth would have its supporters and deserves to be recognised as a hugely important date in the nations story.
But perhaps that would be a little premature. The struggle still continued. What about the passing of the Civil Rights Act in 1964. Possibly a more credible start date for the nation and a substantial step forward to that "all men created equal" stuff.
What about 2008 when President Obama was elected? Truly an amazing moment for the country and an inspiration to millions across the planet, and Alabama.
So everything before 64/08 would be bad "old testament" America where the constitution was basically a lying sham of a document. And after 64/08 would be "New testament" America where the constitution takes life and the country starts to live up to its founders aspirations. Every American can then share in the triumphs and defeats of the country from that date onwards.
Or perhaps you could suggest a different date ? What say you America ?
Why not show some honesty so that you can move forward ?
June 19 is a historically nonsense date and means nothing other than there were no other federal holidays in the month of june. The civil war was a bleak time for the US--brother against brother over taxation and states rights.Juneteenth: How the US holiday is being celebrated
Here's how people are marking the commemoration of the last enslaved black American being freed.www.bbc.co.uk
The new national holiday has caused a lot of discussion about American history. July 4th seems to be a divisive date. Not least because "Independence Day" was anything but for many Americans.
Perhaps now is the time to re-evaluate the past and seek a consensus about what it means to be American.
The values and aspirations of the constitution cannot be faulted but the application fell well short for at least a couple of centuries. Is it not time to divide American history into two distinct segments. If you like an "Old Testament" and a "New Testament" .
So the New Testament would start from a time where the nation started to reflect the principles of its founders. You could argue for several different dates here. Juneteenth would have its supporters and deserves to be recognised as a hugely important date in the nations story.
But perhaps that would be a little premature. The struggle still continued. What about the passing of the Civil Rights Act in 1964. Possibly a more credible start date for the nation and a substantial step forward to that "all men created equal" stuff.
What about 2008 when President Obama was elected? Truly an amazing moment for the country and an inspiration to millions across the planet, and Alabama.
So everything before 64/08 would be bad "old testament" America where the constitution was basically a lying sham of a document. And after 64/08 would be "New testament" America where the constitution takes life and the country starts to live up to its founders aspirations. Every American can then share in the triumphs and defeats of the country from that date onwards.
Or perhaps you could suggest a different date ? What say you America ?
what makes you think I/m angry??Youre getting angry again. Let me know when you want to discuss and can put your feelings aside.youre the one that was making it about white people and ignoring a lot of the realities of history,, and we all already know you are a racist that blames everything on white people,,Just read where you went off topic and called me a racist like that would change the subject or the facts.where have I shown anger,,Youre angry which tells me what you wish to embrace.how do you know what I wish to embrace??I didnt say only white americans wrote history. There is a reason I know the truth. Other people recorded real history.your mistaken that only white americans wrote history,, and yes you are a racist,,How is it racist to point out that your white ancestors lied to you to make you feel better and you dont want to hear the facts?thats racist,,,Literally everything. Whites seem to lie to make themselves feel like they are better. This goes double for american whites.what truth are we getting wrong??Re working history means telling the truth. White america cant handle the truth. It would cause confusion and heighten the inferiority complex they already have.
I'm saying the version of history you wish to embrace is written by white people and taught in public schools.
I dont address emotional outburst that are off topic. If you want to discuss the topic let me know.what makes you think I/m angry??Youre getting angry again. Let me know when you want to discuss and can put your feelings aside.youre the one that was making it about white people and ignoring a lot of the realities of history,, and we all already know you are a racist that blames everything on white people,,Just read where you went off topic and called me a racist like that would change the subject or the facts.where have I shown anger,,Youre angry which tells me what you wish to embrace.how do you know what I wish to embrace??I didnt say only white americans wrote history. There is a reason I know the truth. Other people recorded real history.your mistaken that only white americans wrote history,, and yes you are a racist,,How is it racist to point out that your white ancestors lied to you to make you feel better and you dont want to hear the facts?thats racist,,,Literally everything. Whites seem to lie to make themselves feel like they are better. This goes double for american whites.what truth are we getting wrong??Re working history means telling the truth. White america cant handle the truth. It would cause confusion and heighten the inferiority complex they already have.
I'm saying the version of history you wish to embrace is written by white people and taught in public schools.
how about addressing what I said??
"Ending slavery simply became a way to punish the south for daring to go to war."Ending slavery simply became a way to punish the south for daring to go to war.
why are you ignoring the totality of history and only focused on the white people??I dont address emotional outburst that are off topic. If you want to discuss the topic let me know.what makes you think I/m angry??Youre getting angry again. Let me know when you want to discuss and can put your feelings aside.youre the one that was making it about white people and ignoring a lot of the realities of history,, and we all already know you are a racist that blames everything on white people,,Just read where you went off topic and called me a racist like that would change the subject or the facts.where have I shown anger,,Youre angry which tells me what you wish to embrace.how do you know what I wish to embrace??I didnt say only white americans wrote history. There is a reason I know the truth. Other people recorded real history.your mistaken that only white americans wrote history,, and yes you are a racist,,How is it racist to point out that your white ancestors lied to you to make you feel better and you dont want to hear the facts?thats racist,,,Literally everything. Whites seem to lie to make themselves feel like they are better. This goes double for american whites.what truth are we getting wrong??Re working history means telling the truth. White america cant handle the truth. It would cause confusion and heighten the inferiority complex they already have.
I'm saying the version of history you wish to embrace is written by white people and taught in public schools.
how about addressing what I said??
Not sure what you mean by the totality of history?why are you ignoring the totality of history and only focused on the white people??I dont address emotional outburst that are off topic. If you want to discuss the topic let me know.what makes you think I/m angry??Youre getting angry again. Let me know when you want to discuss and can put your feelings aside.youre the one that was making it about white people and ignoring a lot of the realities of history,, and we all already know you are a racist that blames everything on white people,,Just read where you went off topic and called me a racist like that would change the subject or the facts.where have I shown anger,,Youre angry which tells me what you wish to embrace.how do you know what I wish to embrace??I didnt say only white americans wrote history. There is a reason I know the truth. Other people recorded real history.your mistaken that only white americans wrote history,, and yes you are a racist,,How is it racist to point out that your white ancestors lied to you to make you feel better and you dont want to hear the facts?thats racist,,,Literally everything. Whites seem to lie to make themselves feel like they are better. This goes double for american whites.what truth are we getting wrong??Re working history means telling the truth. White america cant handle the truth. It would cause confusion and heighten the inferiority complex they already have.
I'm saying the version of history you wish to embrace is written by white people and taught in public schools.
how about addressing what I said??
remember the majority of founders wanted to end slavery, but it was the ones that later formed the democrat party that forced it to remain,,,
why are you ignoring the totality of history and only focused on the white people??I dont address emotional outburst that are off topic. If you want to discuss the topic let me know.what makes you think I/m angry??Youre getting angry again. Let me know when you want to discuss and can put your feelings aside.youre the one that was making it about white people and ignoring a lot of the realities of history,, and we all already know you are a racist that blames everything on white people,,Just read where you went off topic and called me a racist like that would change the subject or the facts.where have I shown anger,,Youre angry which tells me what you wish to embrace.how do you know what I wish to embrace??I didnt say only white americans wrote history. There is a reason I know the truth. Other people recorded real history.your mistaken that only white americans wrote history,, and yes you are a racist,,How is it racist to point out that your white ancestors lied to you to make you feel better and you dont want to hear the facts?thats racist,,,Literally everything. Whites seem to lie to make themselves feel like they are better. This goes double for american whites.what truth are we getting wrong??Re working history means telling the truth. White america cant handle the truth. It would cause confusion and heighten the inferiority complex they already have.
I'm saying the version of history you wish to embrace is written by white people and taught in public schools.
how about addressing what I said??
remember the majority of founders wanted to end slavery, but it was the ones that later formed the democrat party that forced it to remain,,,
All that this "holiday" has accomplished, and this thread as well, is to draw out more immense intellectual dishonesty, vitriol and distortion. There is no discussion any more, just tired name calling and repetition of clichés. It goes nowhere, so I am going elsewhere.Juneteenth: How the US holiday is being celebrated
Here's how people are marking the commemoration of the last enslaved black American being freed.www.bbc.co.uk
The new national holiday has caused a lot of discussion about American history. July 4th seems to be a divisive date. Not least because "Independence Day" was anything but for many Americans.
Perhaps now is the time to re-evaluate the past and seek a consensus about what it means to be American.
The values and aspirations of the constitution cannot be faulted but the application fell well short for at least a couple of centuries. Is it not time to divide American history into two distinct segments. If you like an "Old Testament" and a "New Testament" .
So the New Testament would start from a time where the nation started to reflect the principles of its founders. You could argue for several different dates here. Juneteenth would have its supporters and deserves to be recognised as a hugely important date in the nations story.
But perhaps that would be a little premature. The struggle still continued. What about the passing of the Civil Rights Act in 1964. Possibly a more credible start date for the nation and a substantial step forward to that "all men created equal" stuff.
What about 2008 when President Obama was elected? Truly an amazing moment for the country and an inspiration to millions across the planet, and Alabama.
So everything before 64/08 would be bad "old testament" America where the constitution was basically a lying sham of a document. And after 64/08 would be "New testament" America where the constitution takes life and the country starts to live up to its founders aspirations. Every American can then share in the triumphs and defeats of the country from that date onwards.
Or perhaps you could suggest a different date ? What say you America ?
Why not the date when you could marry who you wanted or live where you wanted ?Why not the date when the majority of the population got the right to vote?Nevertheless, the principles in your bill of rights were just aspirational. And were for a long time. Why not recognise the date when they became reality ? Something that all Americans can celebrate.Genuine history is context and fact taken together. Given the world out of which the U.S. emerged, its concepts of government were radically liberal and liberating. Naturally, there were many who took advantage of this at the expense of others. Naturally, not everyone advanced at the same rate. Honesty dictates, nonetheless, that the real human benefits be recognized. Life was hard for the majority of people. The majority worked hard to exist. Poor men, women and minorities all took a back seat to the rich and powerful, just as in every other country. Yet, unlike almost every other nation, progress was made until everyone's lot improved and mistakes of the past were more and more corrected. Looking at what was accomplished in comparison with the rest of the world, America looks pretty good. It paid a heavy price for the involvement in slavery that it inherited from previous eons, but managed to survive and continue incremental improvement while many other areas of the world went nowhere, or even slid backward.
All that this "holiday" has accomplished, and this thread as well, is to draw out more immense intellectual dishonesty, vitriol and distortion. There is no discussion any more, just tired name calling and repetition of clichés. It goes nowhere, so I am going elsewhere.Juneteenth: How the US holiday is being celebrated
Here's how people are marking the commemoration of the last enslaved black American being freed.www.bbc.co.uk
The new national holiday has caused a lot of discussion about American history. July 4th seems to be a divisive date. Not least because "Independence Day" was anything but for many Americans.
Perhaps now is the time to re-evaluate the past and seek a consensus about what it means to be American.
The values and aspirations of the constitution cannot be faulted but the application fell well short for at least a couple of centuries. Is it not time to divide American history into two distinct segments. If you like an "Old Testament" and a "New Testament" .
So the New Testament would start from a time where the nation started to reflect the principles of its founders. You could argue for several different dates here. Juneteenth would have its supporters and deserves to be recognised as a hugely important date in the nations story.
But perhaps that would be a little premature. The struggle still continued. What about the passing of the Civil Rights Act in 1964. Possibly a more credible start date for the nation and a substantial step forward to that "all men created equal" stuff.
What about 2008 when President Obama was elected? Truly an amazing moment for the country and an inspiration to millions across the planet, and Alabama.
So everything before 64/08 would be bad "old testament" America where the constitution was basically a lying sham of a document. And after 64/08 would be "New testament" America where the constitution takes life and the country starts to live up to its founders aspirations. Every American can then share in the triumphs and defeats of the country from that date onwards.
Or perhaps you could suggest a different date ? What say you America ?
Should we change our dating system too so that we measure our years as Before Obama (BO) and After Obama (AO)?Juneteenth: How the US holiday is being celebrated
Here's how people are marking the commemoration of the last enslaved black American being freed.www.bbc.co.uk
The new national holiday has caused a lot of discussion about American history. July 4th seems to be a divisive date. Not least because "Independence Day" was anything but for many Americans.
Perhaps now is the time to re-evaluate the past and seek a consensus about what it means to be American.
The values and aspirations of the constitution cannot be faulted but the application fell well short for at least a couple of centuries. Is it not time to divide American history into two distinct segments. If you like an "Old Testament" and a "New Testament" .
So the New Testament would start from a time where the nation started to reflect the principles of its founders. You could argue for several different dates here. Juneteenth would have its supporters and deserves to be recognised as a hugely important date in the nations story.
But perhaps that would be a little premature. The struggle still continued. What about the passing of the Civil Rights Act in 1964. Possibly a more credible start date for the nation and a substantial step forward to that "all men created equal" stuff.
What about 2008 when President Obama was elected? Truly an amazing moment for the country and an inspiration to millions across the planet, and Alabama.
So everything before 64/08 would be bad "old testament" America where the constitution was basically a lying sham of a document. And after 64/08 would be "New testament" America where the constitution takes life and the country starts to live up to its founders aspirations. Every American can then share in the triumphs and defeats of the country from that date onwards.
Or perhaps you could suggest a different date ? What say you America ?
The dishonesty is coming from the people unable or unwilling to accept that their cherished beliefs are basically bullshit. That they are mainly racists is no coincidence.All that this "holiday" has accomplished, and this thread as well, is to draw out more immense intellectual dishonesty, vitriol and distortion. There is no discussion any more, just tired name calling and repetition of clichés. It goes nowhere, so I am going elsewhere.Juneteenth: How the US holiday is being celebrated
Here's how people are marking the commemoration of the last enslaved black American being freed.www.bbc.co.uk
The new national holiday has caused a lot of discussion about American history. July 4th seems to be a divisive date. Not least because "Independence Day" was anything but for many Americans.
Perhaps now is the time to re-evaluate the past and seek a consensus about what it means to be American.
The values and aspirations of the constitution cannot be faulted but the application fell well short for at least a couple of centuries. Is it not time to divide American history into two distinct segments. If you like an "Old Testament" and a "New Testament" .
So the New Testament would start from a time where the nation started to reflect the principles of its founders. You could argue for several different dates here. Juneteenth would have its supporters and deserves to be recognised as a hugely important date in the nations story.
But perhaps that would be a little premature. The struggle still continued. What about the passing of the Civil Rights Act in 1964. Possibly a more credible start date for the nation and a substantial step forward to that "all men created equal" stuff.
What about 2008 when President Obama was elected? Truly an amazing moment for the country and an inspiration to millions across the planet, and Alabama.
So everything before 64/08 would be bad "old testament" America where the constitution was basically a lying sham of a document. And after 64/08 would be "New testament" America where the constitution takes life and the country starts to live up to its founders aspirations. Every American can then share in the triumphs and defeats of the country from that date onwards.
Or perhaps you could suggest a different date ? What say you America ?
Obama still renting space in your head? Let it go.Should we change our dating system too so that we measure our years as Before Obama (BO) and After Obama (AO)?Juneteenth: How the US holiday is being celebrated
Here's how people are marking the commemoration of the last enslaved black American being freed.www.bbc.co.uk
The new national holiday has caused a lot of discussion about American history. July 4th seems to be a divisive date. Not least because "Independence Day" was anything but for many Americans.
Perhaps now is the time to re-evaluate the past and seek a consensus about what it means to be American.
The values and aspirations of the constitution cannot be faulted but the application fell well short for at least a couple of centuries. Is it not time to divide American history into two distinct segments. If you like an "Old Testament" and a "New Testament" .
So the New Testament would start from a time where the nation started to reflect the principles of its founders. You could argue for several different dates here. Juneteenth would have its supporters and deserves to be recognised as a hugely important date in the nations story.
But perhaps that would be a little premature. The struggle still continued. What about the passing of the Civil Rights Act in 1964. Possibly a more credible start date for the nation and a substantial step forward to that "all men created equal" stuff.
What about 2008 when President Obama was elected? Truly an amazing moment for the country and an inspiration to millions across the planet, and Alabama.
So everything before 64/08 would be bad "old testament" America where the constitution was basically a lying sham of a document. And after 64/08 would be "New testament" America where the constitution takes life and the country starts to live up to its founders aspirations. Every American can then share in the triumphs and defeats of the country from that date onwards.
Or perhaps you could suggest a different date ? What say you America ?
There isn't going to be a consensus on history.
youre spinning the reality,, the ones like jefferson wanted to free them but the laws at the time wouldnt allow it,,Not sure what you mean by the totality of history?why are you ignoring the totality of history and only focused on the white people??I dont address emotional outburst that are off topic. If you want to discuss the topic let me know.what makes you think I/m angry??Youre getting angry again. Let me know when you want to discuss and can put your feelings aside.youre the one that was making it about white people and ignoring a lot of the realities of history,, and we all already know you are a racist that blames everything on white people,,Just read where you went off topic and called me a racist like that would change the subject or the facts.where have I shown anger,,Youre angry which tells me what you wish to embrace.how do you know what I wish to embrace??I didnt say only white americans wrote history. There is a reason I know the truth. Other people recorded real history.your mistaken that only white americans wrote history,, and yes you are a racist,,How is it racist to point out that your white ancestors lied to you to make you feel better and you dont want to hear the facts?thats racist,,,Literally everything. Whites seem to lie to make themselves feel like they are better. This goes double for american whites.what truth are we getting wrong??Re working history means telling the truth. White america cant handle the truth. It would cause confusion and heighten the inferiority complex they already have.
I'm saying the version of history you wish to embrace is written by white people and taught in public schools.
how about addressing what I said??
remember the majority of founders wanted to end slavery, but it was the ones that later formed the democrat party that forced it to remain,,,
If the majority of the founders wanted to end slavery why did the majority of them own slaves?
