A few questions for the fundies

[Correll]

You could argue that one either way. Christians, in particular, aren't the norm. On the other hand, more people on this planet are religious than aren't, and virtually all of these religions believe in apparently impossible, miraculous things, and in that respect, Christians are right there comfortably in normie territory. Personally, I like to think of myself as abnormal. What sad, scared, given-up-on-life motherfucker aspires to be average? More to that end, how sad is it when your emotional connotations dictate that you try and declare the things that you DON'T like as being abnormal? That's all insecurity talking.

If you think that believing that a ghost raped a woman to have a zombie child is normal, then you're as nuts as they are.

There you go again with your silly connotations. Nuts and normal aren't related concepts. We -just- went over this, it's like I'm talking to a gold fish. Try and keep track of the definitions.

Personally, I don't find the immaculate conception story particularly compelling, and I see no particular reason to believe that some supernatural, all powerful creator is paying attention or even remotely concerned with what's going on here on ONE flying rock out of so many that I would have to describe the number in exponential terms. Seems like a pretty sane, rational position to me, but I recognize that it's an opinion that, in regards to religion, pushes -me- out of the norm.

Between all powerful torturers, all powerful wish granters, physically intangible essences that disconnect from our physical bodies at death and travel to other realms of existence or recycle back into the system at a station based on its conduct during its last life. . . there are more people who believe in miraculous, crazy sounding shit than people who don't. Deal with it.

I deal with it just fine, but don't consider it normal behavior to believe in a ghost who fucks a virgin, because it's not normal, nor is it the norm.

Lol, I suppose I should just stop. You don't seem to be able to separate the concept of normal and the concept of things that you find ridiculous, even though they're completely unrelated, and, realistically, helping you figure that out isn't something that sounds entertaining. Thanks for the convo.

Christians are a minority in the world, so not normal and not the norm. Hope that helps.

Your pretense that you don't understand any community other than the whole world,


is not credible and dismissed.


You should really stop that silliness.


NO ONE is buying that, not even you.

 

[Correll]

What do you base how you live on?

On personal moral standards. If I lived by the bible, most of the people in my immediate family would be missing an eye (an eye for an eye).

And what did you base those standards on?

Where did they come from?

They came from experience.

Really? You've personally experienced everything about which you have an opinion regarding right and wrong? Who'd you kill?

Personal experience includes things I’ve read or seen, not just that I’ve lived myself. Now you know.

If you read it, that is a lesson coming from somewhere else.


Can you give an example?

 

[Taz]

On personal moral standards. If I lived by the bible, most of the people in my immediate family would be missing an eye (an eye for an eye).

And what did you base those standards on?

Where did they come from?

They came from experience.

Your parents didn't come into it? What about your environment? No authority figures or stories with lessons that taught you anything?

Nope, just my own experiences that I took whatever from here and there. My parents are fucking douchebags and most of the "moral" stories came from going to church, and I thought that was total bullshit, even at a very early age.

No man is an island.


YOu might have rebelled and rejected your parents and their teachings, but you didn't invent your morals out of thin air.


DO you believe that stealing is wrong, and if so, when did you come to that conclusion?

The potential prison sentence.

 

[Taz]

If you think that believing that a ghost raped a woman to have a zombie child is normal, then you're as nuts as they are.

There you go again with your silly connotations. Nuts and normal aren't related concepts. We -just- went over this, it's like I'm talking to a gold fish. Try and keep track of the definitions.

Personally, I don't find the immaculate conception story particularly compelling, and I see no particular reason to believe that some supernatural, all powerful creator is paying attention or even remotely concerned with what's going on here on ONE flying rock out of so many that I would have to describe the number in exponential terms. Seems like a pretty sane, rational position to me, but I recognize that it's an opinion that, in regards to religion, pushes -me- out of the norm.

Between all powerful torturers, all powerful wish granters, physically intangible essences that disconnect from our physical bodies at death and travel to other realms of existence or recycle back into the system at a station based on its conduct during its last life. . . there are more people who believe in miraculous, crazy sounding shit than people who don't. Deal with it.

I deal with it just fine, but don't consider it normal behavior to believe in a ghost who fucks a virgin, because it's not normal, nor is it the norm.

Lol, I suppose I should just stop. You don't seem to be able to separate the concept of normal and the concept of things that you find ridiculous, even though they're completely unrelated, and, realistically, helping you figure that out isn't something that sounds entertaining. Thanks for the convo.

Christians are a minority in the world, so not normal and not the norm. Hope that helps.

Your pretense that you don't understand any community other than the whole world,


is not credible and dismissed.


You should really stop that silliness.


NO ONE is buying that, not even you.

I'm just following your threshold for the word. And you lost.

 

[Taz]

On personal moral standards. If I lived by the bible, most of the people in my immediate family would be missing an eye (an eye for an eye).

And what did you base those standards on?

Where did they come from?

They came from experience.

Really? You've personally experienced everything about which you have an opinion regarding right and wrong? Who'd you kill?

Personal experience includes things I’ve read or seen, not just that I’ve lived myself. Now you know.

If you read it, that is a lesson coming from somewhere else.


Can you give an example?

Goldielocks and the three bears.

 

[Cecilie1200]

What do you base how you live on?

On personal moral standards. If I lived by the bible, most of the people in my immediate family would be missing an eye (an eye for an eye).

And what did you base those standards on?

Where did they come from?

They came from experience.

Really? You've personally experienced everything about which you have an opinion regarding right and wrong? Who'd you kill?

Personal experience includes things I’ve read or seen, not just that I’ve lived myself. Now you know.

Ahhh, things you've read. So . . . other people's morals that you've adopted and pretended to yourself that you invented, in other words.

But somehow, when the rest of us adopt a personal moral standard from things WE'VE read, WE are all crazy, simply because the things we read happened to be in the Bible.

Got it. Glad we cleared that up.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I think I'm more of a dick than an asshole but it takes one to know one, Taz.

Does it bother you that you are in control of your own destiny?

I'm in charge of my own destiny because I don't let a book of fiction like the bible dictate how I should live.

What do you base how you live on?

On personal moral standards. If I lived by the bible, most of the people in my immediate family would be missing an eye (an eye for an eye).

I'm always impressed by the hubris inherent in "I don't need to know about wisdom throughout human history. I'm much smarter than everyone who ever lived combined!"

Just from watching you, I don't think you could puzzle out how to assemble an Ikea bookcase without the instructions, let alone assemble a complete moral code without references. I also suspect your "personal moral standard" is really just a lot of stuff you borrowed from other places, including the Bible, leavened with a heaping helping of "I want to do this right now, therefore it is now moral". And then you stood around, congratulating yourself on how you "figured out what was right" all by yourself.

Your moral reference comes from a book where a ghost rapes a woman to make a zombie child. And before that, your ghost mass murdered nearly everyone in a flood it caused. And on and on... so please spare us the lecture of how your morality is the purest.

And you read . . . what, to develop the personal moral standard that you pretend to have invented all by your onesy? And more to the point, what did the author read to develop HIS personal moral standard for the book you plagiarized?

I'm not saying my morality is the purest. I'm saying we have the same ultimate source, and I'M just honest enough to admit it.

 

[Cecilie1200]

And what did you base those standards on?

Where did they come from?

They came from experience.

Your parents didn't come into it? What about your environment? No authority figures or stories with lessons that taught you anything?

Nope, just my own experiences that I took whatever from here and there. My parents are fucking douchebags and most of the "moral" stories came from going to church, and I thought that was total bullshit, even at a very early age.

No man is an island.


YOu might have rebelled and rejected your parents and their teachings, but you didn't invent your morals out of thin air.


DO you believe that stealing is wrong, and if so, when did you come to that conclusion?

The potential prison sentence.

So you're saying that your "personal moral standard" is "anything is right, so long as I can avoid prosecution"?

 

[Cecilie1200]

And what did you base those standards on?

Where did they come from?

They came from experience.

Really? You've personally experienced everything about which you have an opinion regarding right and wrong? Who'd you kill?

Personal experience includes things I’ve read or seen, not just that I’ve lived myself. Now you know.

If you read it, that is a lesson coming from somewhere else.


Can you give an example?

Goldielocks and the three bears.

And where do you suppose the moral of that story originated from?

 

[Taz]

On personal moral standards. If I lived by the bible, most of the people in my immediate family would be missing an eye (an eye for an eye).

And what did you base those standards on?

Where did they come from?

They came from experience.

Really? You've personally experienced everything about which you have an opinion regarding right and wrong? Who'd you kill?

Personal experience includes things I’ve read or seen, not just that I’ve lived myself. Now you know.

Ahhh, things you've read. So . . . other people's morals that you've adopted and pretended to yourself that you invented, in other words.

But somehow, when the rest of us adopt a personal moral standard from things WE'VE read, WE are all crazy, simply because the things we read happened to be in the Bible.

Got it. Glad we cleared that up.

Depends what you read, if it’s a book about a ghost that rapes a human to have a zombie child, then... well... you know what I’m saying...

 

[Taz]

I'm in charge of my own destiny because I don't let a book of fiction like the bible dictate how I should live.

What do you base how you live on?

On personal moral standards. If I lived by the bible, most of the people in my immediate family would be missing an eye (an eye for an eye).

I'm always impressed by the hubris inherent in "I don't need to know about wisdom throughout human history. I'm much smarter than everyone who ever lived combined!"

Just from watching you, I don't think you could puzzle out how to assemble an Ikea bookcase without the instructions, let alone assemble a complete moral code without references. I also suspect your "personal moral standard" is really just a lot of stuff you borrowed from other places, including the Bible, leavened with a heaping helping of "I want to do this right now, therefore it is now moral". And then you stood around, congratulating yourself on how you "figured out what was right" all by yourself.

Your moral reference comes from a book where a ghost rapes a woman to make a zombie child. And before that, your ghost mass murdered nearly everyone in a flood it caused. And on and on... so please spare us the lecture of how your morality is the purest.

And you read . . . what, to develop the personal moral standard that you pretend to have invented all by your onesy? And more to the point, what did the author read to develop HIS personal moral standard for the book you plagiarized?

I'm not saying my morality is the purest. I'm saying we have the same ultimate source, and I'M just honest enough to admit it.

Sorry, my morals don’t come from a powerful ghost that drowns most of humanity because he screwed up making them.

 

[Taz]

They came from experience.

Your parents didn't come into it? What about your environment? No authority figures or stories with lessons that taught you anything?

Nope, just my own experiences that I took whatever from here and there. My parents are fucking douchebags and most of the "moral" stories came from going to church, and I thought that was total bullshit, even at a very early age.

No man is an island.


YOu might have rebelled and rejected your parents and their teachings, but you didn't invent your morals out of thin air.


DO you believe that stealing is wrong, and if so, when did you come to that conclusion?

The potential prison sentence.

So you're saying that your "personal moral standard" is "anything is right, so long as I can avoid prosecution"?

I was answering a specific question.

 

[Taz]

They came from experience.

Really? You've personally experienced everything about which you have an opinion regarding right and wrong? Who'd you kill?

Personal experience includes things I’ve read or seen, not just that I’ve lived myself. Now you know.

If you read it, that is a lesson coming from somewhere else.


Can you give an example?

Goldielocks and the three bears.

And where do you suppose the moral of that story originated from?

Don’t be a bully? Not from the ghost who bullies people with hell, that’s for sure.

 

[Correll]

And what did you base those standards on?

Where did they come from?

They came from experience.

Your parents didn't come into it? What about your environment? No authority figures or stories with lessons that taught you anything?

Nope, just my own experiences that I took whatever from here and there. My parents are fucking douchebags and most of the "moral" stories came from going to church, and I thought that was total bullshit, even at a very early age.

No man is an island.


YOu might have rebelled and rejected your parents and their teachings, but you didn't invent your morals out of thin air.


DO you believe that stealing is wrong, and if so, when did you come to that conclusion?

The potential prison sentence.

That is not a credible answer.



DO you believe that stealing is wrong, and if so, when did you come to that conclusion?

 

[Cecilie1200]

And what did you base those standards on?

Where did they come from?

They came from experience.

Really? You've personally experienced everything about which you have an opinion regarding right and wrong? Who'd you kill?

Personal experience includes things I’ve read or seen, not just that I’ve lived myself. Now you know.

Ahhh, things you've read. So . . . other people's morals that you've adopted and pretended to yourself that you invented, in other words.

But somehow, when the rest of us adopt a personal moral standard from things WE'VE read, WE are all crazy, simply because the things we read happened to be in the Bible.

Got it. Glad we cleared that up.

Depends what you read, if it’s a book about a ghost that rapes a human to have a zombie child, then... well... you know what I’m saying...

That you're a dumbass who knows nothing about the Bible? Yes, I know what you're saying. It's what you're always saying.

 

[Cecilie1200]

What do you base how you live on?

On personal moral standards. If I lived by the bible, most of the people in my immediate family would be missing an eye (an eye for an eye).

I'm always impressed by the hubris inherent in "I don't need to know about wisdom throughout human history. I'm much smarter than everyone who ever lived combined!"

Just from watching you, I don't think you could puzzle out how to assemble an Ikea bookcase without the instructions, let alone assemble a complete moral code without references. I also suspect your "personal moral standard" is really just a lot of stuff you borrowed from other places, including the Bible, leavened with a heaping helping of "I want to do this right now, therefore it is now moral". And then you stood around, congratulating yourself on how you "figured out what was right" all by yourself.

Your moral reference comes from a book where a ghost rapes a woman to make a zombie child. And before that, your ghost mass murdered nearly everyone in a flood it caused. And on and on... so please spare us the lecture of how your morality is the purest.

And you read . . . what, to develop the personal moral standard that you pretend to have invented all by your onesy? And more to the point, what did the author read to develop HIS personal moral standard for the book you plagiarized?

I'm not saying my morality is the purest. I'm saying we have the same ultimate source, and I'M just honest enough to admit it.

Sorry, my morals don’t come from a powerful ghost that drowns most of humanity because he screwed up making them.

Yeah, they do. You're just too much of a conceited, reductive moron to realize and admit it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you've lived your entire life in a Western society. The people you've observed and made judgements about have also lived most or all of their lives in a Western society. The books you've read, movies you've watched, etc. were pretty much all created by people who lived most or all of their lives in Western societies. So basically, the moral standards permeating everything upon which you've made your judgements regarding right and wrong have been based on Western societal norms.

And, of course, Western civilization was built by and is heavily based on Christianity, and is completely permeated by and infused with Christian ideas and viewpoints.

But you'd have us believe that you somehow puzzled out a completely unique, original "personal moral standard" that is uninfluenced by and separate from Christianity.

Okay, Bubba, you go with that.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Really? You've personally experienced everything about which you have an opinion regarding right and wrong? Who'd you kill?

Personal experience includes things I’ve read or seen, not just that I’ve lived myself. Now you know.

If you read it, that is a lesson coming from somewhere else.


Can you give an example?

Goldielocks and the three bears.

And where do you suppose the moral of that story originated from?

Don’t be a bully? Not from the ghost who bullies people with hell, that’s for sure.

Goldilocks and the three bears is about not being a bully? Say what?

Man, you not only don't know shit about the Bible, you also don't know shit about fairy tales.

 

[Correll]

On personal moral standards. If I lived by the bible, most of the people in my immediate family would be missing an eye (an eye for an eye).

I'm always impressed by the hubris inherent in "I don't need to know about wisdom throughout human history. I'm much smarter than everyone who ever lived combined!"

Just from watching you, I don't think you could puzzle out how to assemble an Ikea bookcase without the instructions, let alone assemble a complete moral code without references. I also suspect your "personal moral standard" is really just a lot of stuff you borrowed from other places, including the Bible, leavened with a heaping helping of "I want to do this right now, therefore it is now moral". And then you stood around, congratulating yourself on how you "figured out what was right" all by yourself.

Your moral reference comes from a book where a ghost rapes a woman to make a zombie child. And before that, your ghost mass murdered nearly everyone in a flood it caused. And on and on... so please spare us the lecture of how your morality is the purest.

And you read . . . what, to develop the personal moral standard that you pretend to have invented all by your onesy? And more to the point, what did the author read to develop HIS personal moral standard for the book you plagiarized?

I'm not saying my morality is the purest. I'm saying we have the same ultimate source, and I'M just honest enough to admit it.

Sorry, my morals don’t come from a powerful ghost that drowns most of humanity because he screwed up making them.

Yeah, they do. You're just too much of a conceited, reductive moron to realize and admit it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you've lived your entire life in a Western society. The people you've observed and made judgements about have also lived most or all of their lives in a Western society. The books you've read, movies you've watched, etc. were pretty much all created by people who lived most or all of their lives in Western societies. So basically, the moral standards permeating everything upon which you've made your judgements regarding right and wrong have been based on Western societal norms.

And, of course, Western civilization was built by and is heavily based on Christianity, and is completely permeated by and infused with Christian ideas and viewpoints.

But you'd have us believe that you somehow puzzled out a completely unique, original "personal moral standard" that is uninfluenced by and separate from Christianity.

Okay, Bubba, you go with that.

 

[zaangalewa]

... I deal with it just fine, but don't consider it normal behavior to believe in a ghost who fucks a virgin, because it's not normal, nor is it the norm.

What you say here is exactly the abnormal hate method of the Nazis to devalue people who do not "think" like you.

 

[Taz]

They came from experience.

Your parents didn't come into it? What about your environment? No authority figures or stories with lessons that taught you anything?

Nope, just my own experiences that I took whatever from here and there. My parents are fucking douchebags and most of the "moral" stories came from going to church, and I thought that was total bullshit, even at a very early age.

No man is an island.


YOu might have rebelled and rejected your parents and their teachings, but you didn't invent your morals out of thin air.


DO you believe that stealing is wrong, and if so, when did you come to that conclusion?

The potential prison sentence.

That is not a credible answer.



DO you believe that stealing is wrong, and if so, when did you come to that conclusion?

When I realized that you can get in trouble for that.