A Message From Our Great President

[charwin95]

Yes, a method of increasing the money supply and lowering interest rates by purchasing securities and releasing capital to our financial institutions. Its used to promote lending and economic growth at times when interest rates are low. What is your point Ray?

Point is the stock market did not reflect our economy--it reflected funny money being pumped into the system. It was not the low interest rate, it was not active business activity.

Oh yeah, I can agree with you there. The stock market is a whole other game based on speculation, rumor and the influence of Wall Street, bankers and hedge funders that have way too much control over such a crucial element of our economy. It's a shame that we let it get so far that it is a near necessity for our citizens to be invested in what is essentially a fancy casino.

Correct not many places to invest your money

Hey Trumpbots, reality would like a word with you. No president in living memory has been this bad at advancing his agenda in a supposedly friendly congress. If he is actually making America great it is by not being able to do anything except tweet contradictory messages in the middle of the night.

Frankly, failing with his agenda is the best thing he can do for the country, so paradoxically he actually may be succeeded by just not fucking up. LOL

well he isn't failing his agenda, the congress is failing his agenda. and that will be corrected in 2018. How dare that the president of the US would put deadlines on work. That just shows he ain't part of the scum that is DC. they do things at their pace and only their pace, and fk the constituents. Trump is all about the American people.

Trump was is and will always be about trump

then why did he beat hitlery? why did the middle class see his vision? why can't you accept that happened? why do you wish anguish on americans?

Just because Trump beat Hillary that doesn't automatically mean that he is good or even popular. Given two shitty choices he squeaked out a victory. They were both the most unpopular candidates in political history and Trumps approval numbers have remained on the bottom. That is nothing to boast about.

I guess you never heard of Quantitive Easing then, huh?

Yes, a method of increasing the money supply and lowering interest rates by purchasing securities and releasing capital to our financial institutions. Its used to promote lending and economic growth at times when interest rates are low. What is your point Ray?

Point is the stock market did not reflect our economy--it reflected funny money being pumped into the system. It was not the low interest rate, it was not active business activity.

Oh yeah, I can agree with you there. The stock market is a whole other game based on speculation, rumor and the influence of Wall Street, bankers and hedge funders that have way too much control over such a crucial element of our economy. It's a shame that we let it get so far that it is a near necessity for our citizens to be invested in what is essentially a fancy casino.

If you tell somebody the game is rigged for them to win, how can you blame them for playing?

Big investors knew the market could only go up with trillions of government dollars supporting it. The rich have never gotten richer than under Obama. But QE ended late 2014, and at the beginning of 2015 is when we started to see numbers that actually reflected the economy.

I'm curious, how do you derigg the game through deregulation. I'm all for deregulation for small business, but when it comes to the big players, how do you proposed checking their power? You are right, our markets crashed when wall street took advantage of reckless play by the mortgage/loan industry, a result of decades of deregulation and poor policy... Obama came in post crisis and tried to regulate and spent to try and stimulate the economy and prevent further disasters. The wealthy took advantage of the spending and capitalized. Besides trying to blame Obama for the rich getting richer, which by conservative standards should trigger the trickle down, why don't you propose solutions for what can be done in the current climate to fix the problems. I'm not seeing how deregulating the banks and wall street will help things. Please explain

Hate to say this Slade but do not expect jc456, Ray or anyone here will give you a qualified or even honest answer.

 

[eddiew37]

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He's badmouthed Canada Mexico Germany France for beginners

Badmouthing them is not the same as making enemies out of them.

What is your post has anything to do with my post blasting your cis.org fake and hate group? Your group.


Trump badmouthing is a sign of weakness, dumb and idiotic like a little kid. How is that helping US? But make us stupid, ignorant and laughing stock all over the world.

It's not hurting us and pretty entertaining to boot. Trump seldom draws first blood. Most of his attacks are in a response to somebody that bad mouthed him.

How many 1000's has trump stiffed?? He's nothing but a con man

you keeping track? let us know. name them. i expect a list.

There are 100's like this
Why U.S. Law Makes It Easy for Donald Trump To Stiff Contractors

 

[charwin95]

* Dow highest ever.
* Unemployment hits 16-year-low
* Increased GDP
* Prosperity b/c putting American workers FIRST!
* Gone are the days of funding one global initiative after another at the expense of American jobs.
* Gone are the days of taxing American out of making a proper living.
* Regulations and unfair trade practices removed.
* Ending war on coal and unleashing American energy.
* Introduction of tax plan to promote prosperity and create jobs.
* Factories returning.
* No welfare for illegals.
* American free to pursue their dreams.
* God Bless The USA / Making America Great Again!

All rhetoric. Not a single fact in there. Sheeple gotta sheep.

Chopped full of facts, dude. Don't give me your one liner blanket spew. I'll block your ass before I let you waste my time.

Really?
Members like me who blasted your post #1 are waiting for your dishonest rebuttal.

We are still waiting.

 

[jc456]

how liberal of him.

LOL yeah JUST heard him brag about the employment and unemployment numbers and heard him say we're looking at it 5 x in one sentence what an idiot

and in 8 years you never heard obama say something stupid.

amazing to me really. people get caught in a "rut of hate" they won't even try to get out.

Sure he might have we all have one time or another But if trump had to speak to make a living he'd be a beggar in the street But like another dictator he knows how to incite

and if obama didn't have a teleprompter...

we all have our faults. you just like to magnify the ones of people you don't like and minimize the same on people you do. kinda human nature to be sure.

but still annoying as fuck.

You're right It is human nature depending on what side of the fence you're on but Obama could speak without a prompter A real cool character that didn't let too much disturb him Trump is a wild cannon

a talking piece, but actions he was a fking paraplegic.

 

[jc456]

Badmouthing them is not the same as making enemies out of them.

What is your post has anything to do with my post blasting your cis.org fake and hate group? Your group.


Trump badmouthing is a sign of weakness, dumb and idiotic like a little kid. How is that helping US? But make us stupid, ignorant and laughing stock all over the world.

It's not hurting us and pretty entertaining to boot. Trump seldom draws first blood. Most of his attacks are in a response to somebody that bad mouthed him.

How many 1000's has trump stiffed?? He's nothing but a con man

you keeping track? let us know. name them. i expect a list.

There are 100's like this
Why U.S. Law Makes It Easy for Donald Trump To Stiff Contractors

I don't follow. what is your point? the donald followed the laws? don't you think the contractors would know this? so pull down your skirt.

 

[jc456]

Point is the stock market did not reflect our economy--it reflected funny money being pumped into the system. It was not the low interest rate, it was not active business activity.

Oh yeah, I can agree with you there. The stock market is a whole other game based on speculation, rumor and the influence of Wall Street, bankers and hedge funders that have way too much control over such a crucial element of our economy. It's a shame that we let it get so far that it is a near necessity for our citizens to be invested in what is essentially a fancy casino.

Correct not many places to invest your money

Frankly, failing with his agenda is the best thing he can do for the country, so paradoxically he actually may be succeeded by just not fucking up. LOL

well he isn't failing his agenda, the congress is failing his agenda. and that will be corrected in 2018. How dare that the president of the US would put deadlines on work. That just shows he ain't part of the scum that is DC. they do things at their pace and only their pace, and fk the constituents. Trump is all about the American people.

Trump was is and will always be about trump

then why did he beat hitlery? why did the middle class see his vision? why can't you accept that happened? why do you wish anguish on americans?

Just because Trump beat Hillary that doesn't automatically mean that he is good or even popular. Given two shitty choices he squeaked out a victory. They were both the most unpopular candidates in political history and Trumps approval numbers have remained on the bottom. That is nothing to boast about.

Yes, a method of increasing the money supply and lowering interest rates by purchasing securities and releasing capital to our financial institutions. Its used to promote lending and economic growth at times when interest rates are low. What is your point Ray?

Point is the stock market did not reflect our economy--it reflected funny money being pumped into the system. It was not the low interest rate, it was not active business activity.

Oh yeah, I can agree with you there. The stock market is a whole other game based on speculation, rumor and the influence of Wall Street, bankers and hedge funders that have way too much control over such a crucial element of our economy. It's a shame that we let it get so far that it is a near necessity for our citizens to be invested in what is essentially a fancy casino.

If you tell somebody the game is rigged for them to win, how can you blame them for playing?

Big investors knew the market could only go up with trillions of government dollars supporting it. The rich have never gotten richer than under Obama. But QE ended late 2014, and at the beginning of 2015 is when we started to see numbers that actually reflected the economy.

I'm curious, how do you derigg the game through deregulation. I'm all for deregulation for small business, but when it comes to the big players, how do you proposed checking their power? You are right, our markets crashed when wall street took advantage of reckless play by the mortgage/loan industry, a result of decades of deregulation and poor policy... Obama came in post crisis and tried to regulate and spent to try and stimulate the economy and prevent further disasters. The wealthy took advantage of the spending and capitalized. Besides trying to blame Obama for the rich getting richer, which by conservative standards should trigger the trickle down, why don't you propose solutions for what can be done in the current climate to fix the problems. I'm not seeing how deregulating the banks and wall street will help things. Please explain

Hate to say this Slade but do not expect jc456, Ray or anyone here will give you a qualified or even honest answer.

well dick wad, I answered that yesterday, perhaps you should fking open your eyes and read little twit.

 

[charwin95]

Just because Trump beat Hillary that doesn't automatically mean that he is good or even popular. Given two shitty choices he squeaked out a victory. They were both the most unpopular candidates in political history and Trumps approval numbers have remained on the bottom. That is nothing to boast about.

Sure it is. First of all he beat out over a dozen candidates in the Republican primary. Next he went against a woman who was virtually partners with what liberals consider one of the greatest Presidents we had.

Hillary is a person who spent much of her life in politics. Trump was never so much as a councilman or sat on a school board; absolutely zero political experience.

Hillary had much of the backing from her party. Trump had a lot of Republicans who hated him and made that obvious in the media. She outspent him almost three to one. While the media praised Hillary up and down. they (as they do now) bashed Trump every chance they could.

Sure that's something to boast about. It's political history. No other outsider could have done the same.

I'm curious, how do you derigg the game through deregulation. I'm all for deregulation for small business, but when it comes to the big players, how do you proposed checking their power? You are right, our markets crashed when wall street took advantage of reckless play by the mortgage/loan industry, a result of decades of deregulation and poor policy... Obama came in post crisis and tried to regulate and spent to try and stimulate the economy and prevent further disasters. The wealthy took advantage of the spending and capitalized. Besides trying to blame Obama for the rich getting richer, which by conservative standards should trigger the trickle down, why don't you propose solutions for what can be done in the current climate to fix the problems. I'm not seeing how deregulating the banks and wall street will help things. Please explain

First off the housing crisis had a beginning, and that beginning was government creating more liberal regulations to lower their standards for the purpose of increasing minority home sales. The bad mortgages had to go somewhere, or we would have had a national banking collapse.

Secondly, locking up money is not the way to get an economy going. DumbBama went beyond regulation, he went into downright running the banks.

Jobs don't create themselves, and Presidents don't create jobs either. The private sector creates jobs. All government can do is make it more or less inviting for the private sector to do so. Obama was the most anti-business President in our lifetime. Businesses at the bottom only had one way to go, and that was up, but because of Obama, that was a struggle for them.

Trump is the exact opposite of Obama. He is pro-business, not anti-business. The consumer confidence alone is responsible for the good economy we are now experiencing.

That is pure BULLSHIT. With your HATRED against Obama and a proud racist.

Do you even have any credibility of what you are babbling?
Give us a fucking break.

You are NOT Making America Great but degrading America and you are dragging us with your garbage.

 

[jc456]

Just because Trump beat Hillary that doesn't automatically mean that he is good or even popular. Given two shitty choices he squeaked out a victory. They were both the most unpopular candidates in political history and Trumps approval numbers have remained on the bottom. That is nothing to boast about.

Sure it is. First of all he beat out over a dozen candidates in the Republican primary. Next he went against a woman who was virtually partners with what liberals consider one of the greatest Presidents we had.

Hillary is a person who spent much of her life in politics. Trump was never so much as a councilman or sat on a school board; absolutely zero political experience.

Hillary had much of the backing from her party. Trump had a lot of Republicans who hated him and made that obvious in the media. She outspent him almost three to one. While the media praised Hillary up and down. they (as they do now) bashed Trump every chance they could.

Sure that's something to boast about. It's political history. No other outsider could have done the same.

I'm curious, how do you derigg the game through deregulation. I'm all for deregulation for small business, but when it comes to the big players, how do you proposed checking their power? You are right, our markets crashed when wall street took advantage of reckless play by the mortgage/loan industry, a result of decades of deregulation and poor policy... Obama came in post crisis and tried to regulate and spent to try and stimulate the economy and prevent further disasters. The wealthy took advantage of the spending and capitalized. Besides trying to blame Obama for the rich getting richer, which by conservative standards should trigger the trickle down, why don't you propose solutions for what can be done in the current climate to fix the problems. I'm not seeing how deregulating the banks and wall street will help things. Please explain

First off the housing crisis had a beginning, and that beginning was government creating more liberal regulations to lower their standards for the purpose of increasing minority home sales. The bad mortgages had to go somewhere, or we would have had a national banking collapse.

Secondly, locking up money is not the way to get an economy going. DumbBama went beyond regulation, he went into downright running the banks.

Jobs don't create themselves, and Presidents don't create jobs either. The private sector creates jobs. All government can do is make it more or less inviting for the private sector to do so. Obama was the most anti-business President in our lifetime. Businesses at the bottom only had one way to go, and that was up, but because of Obama, that was a struggle for them.

Trump is the exact opposite of Obama. He is pro-business, not anti-business. The consumer confidence alone is responsible for the good economy we are now experiencing.

That is pure BULLSHIT. With your HATRED against Obama and a proud racist.

Do you even have any credibility of what you are babbling?
Give us a fucking break.

You are NOT Making America Great but degrading America and you are dragging us with your garbage.

it is so much more great than it was seven months ago, it's refreshing. It's even more refreshing listening to you fks that want to continue with the destruction of america. we ain't gonna let you. russia russia little twit person. thanks for helping to secure 2018 and 2020.

 

[eddiew37]

Oh yeah, I can agree with you there. The stock market is a whole other game based on speculation, rumor and the influence of Wall Street, bankers and hedge funders that have way too much control over such a crucial element of our economy. It's a shame that we let it get so far that it is a near necessity for our citizens to be invested in what is essentially a fancy casino.

Correct not many places to invest your money

well he isn't failing his agenda, the congress is failing his agenda. and that will be corrected in 2018. How dare that the president of the US would put deadlines on work. That just shows he ain't part of the scum that is DC. they do things at their pace and only their pace, and fk the constituents. Trump is all about the American people.

Trump was is and will always be about trump

then why did he beat hitlery? why did the middle class see his vision? why can't you accept that happened? why do you wish anguish on americans?

Just because Trump beat Hillary that doesn't automatically mean that he is good or even popular. Given two shitty choices he squeaked out a victory. They were both the most unpopular candidates in political history and Trumps approval numbers have remained on the bottom. That is nothing to boast about.

Point is the stock market did not reflect our economy--it reflected funny money being pumped into the system. It was not the low interest rate, it was not active business activity.

Oh yeah, I can agree with you there. The stock market is a whole other game based on speculation, rumor and the influence of Wall Street, bankers and hedge funders that have way too much control over such a crucial element of our economy. It's a shame that we let it get so far that it is a near necessity for our citizens to be invested in what is essentially a fancy casino.

If you tell somebody the game is rigged for them to win, how can you blame them for playing?

Big investors knew the market could only go up with trillions of government dollars supporting it. The rich have never gotten richer than under Obama. But QE ended late 2014, and at the beginning of 2015 is when we started to see numbers that actually reflected the economy.

I'm curious, how do you derigg the game through deregulation. I'm all for deregulation for small business, but when it comes to the big players, how do you proposed checking their power? You are right, our markets crashed when wall street took advantage of reckless play by the mortgage/loan industry, a result of decades of deregulation and poor policy... Obama came in post crisis and tried to regulate and spent to try and stimulate the economy and prevent further disasters. The wealthy took advantage of the spending and capitalized. Besides trying to blame Obama for the rich getting richer, which by conservative standards should trigger the trickle down, why don't you propose solutions for what can be done in the current climate to fix the problems. I'm not seeing how deregulating the banks and wall street will help things. Please explain

Hate to say this Slade but do not expect jc456, Ray or anyone here will give you a qualified or even honest answer.

well dick wad, I answered that yesterday, perhaps you should fking open your eyes and read little twit.

Jc you're a little con man too
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May 23, 2017 - The White House budget proves once and for all that Trump is a con man ... PresidentTrump was going to be a different kind of Republican.

 

[charwin95]

Just because Trump beat Hillary that doesn't automatically mean that he is good or even popular. Given two shitty choices he squeaked out a victory. They were both the most unpopular candidates in political history and Trumps approval numbers have remained on the bottom. That is nothing to boast about.

Sure it is. First of all he beat out over a dozen candidates in the Republican primary. Next he went against a woman who was virtually partners with what liberals consider one of the greatest Presidents we had.

Hillary is a person who spent much of her life in politics. Trump was never so much as a councilman or sat on a school board; absolutely zero political experience.

Hillary had much of the backing from her party. Trump had a lot of Republicans who hated him and made that obvious in the media. She outspent him almost three to one. While the media praised Hillary up and down. they (as they do now) bashed Trump every chance they could.

Sure that's something to boast about. It's political history. No other outsider could have done the same.

I'm curious, how do you derigg the game through deregulation. I'm all for deregulation for small business, but when it comes to the big players, how do you proposed checking their power? You are right, our markets crashed when wall street took advantage of reckless play by the mortgage/loan industry, a result of decades of deregulation and poor policy... Obama came in post crisis and tried to regulate and spent to try and stimulate the economy and prevent further disasters. The wealthy took advantage of the spending and capitalized. Besides trying to blame Obama for the rich getting richer, which by conservative standards should trigger the trickle down, why don't you propose solutions for what can be done in the current climate to fix the problems. I'm not seeing how deregulating the banks and wall street will help things. Please explain

First off the housing crisis had a beginning, and that beginning was government creating more liberal regulations to lower their standards for the purpose of increasing minority home sales. The bad mortgages had to go somewhere, or we would have had a national banking collapse.

Secondly, locking up money is not the way to get an economy going. DumbBama went beyond regulation, he went into downright running the banks.

Jobs don't create themselves, and Presidents don't create jobs either. The private sector creates jobs. All government can do is make it more or less inviting for the private sector to do so. Obama was the most anti-business President in our lifetime. Businesses at the bottom only had one way to go, and that was up, but because of Obama, that was a struggle for them.

Trump is the exact opposite of Obama. He is pro-business, not anti-business. The consumer confidence alone is responsible for the good economy we are now experiencing.

That is pure BULLSHIT. With your HATRED against Obama and a proud racist.

Do you even have any credibility of what you are babbling?
Give us a fucking break.

You are NOT Making America Great but degrading America and you are dragging us with your garbage.

it is so much more great than it was seven months ago, it's refreshing. It's even more refreshing listening to you fks that want to continue with the destruction of america. we ain't gonna let you. russia russia little twit person. thanks for helping to secure 2018 and 2020.

We are the laughingstock of the world, made us look stupid and ignorant. The rise of racist like you ----- Do NOT Make America Great.
You are a disgrace to America.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Let me fix that for you:

Thanks Obama.

I'll be dead and gone before I ever thank that crook.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Just because Trump beat Hillary that doesn't automatically mean that he is good or even popular. Given two shitty choices he squeaked out a victory. They were both the most unpopular candidates in political history and Trumps approval numbers have remained on the bottom. That is nothing to boast about.

Sure it is. First of all he beat out over a dozen candidates in the Republican primary. Next he went against a woman who was virtually partners with what liberals consider one of the greatest Presidents we had.

Hillary is a person who spent much of her life in politics. Trump was never so much as a councilman or sat on a school board; absolutely zero political experience.

Hillary had much of the backing from her party. Trump had a lot of Republicans who hated him and made that obvious in the media. She outspent him almost three to one. While the media praised Hillary up and down. they (as they do now) bashed Trump every chance they could.

Sure that's something to boast about. It's political history. No other outsider could have done the same.

I'm curious, how do you derigg the game through deregulation. I'm all for deregulation for small business, but when it comes to the big players, how do you proposed checking their power? You are right, our markets crashed when wall street took advantage of reckless play by the mortgage/loan industry, a result of decades of deregulation and poor policy... Obama came in post crisis and tried to regulate and spent to try and stimulate the economy and prevent further disasters. The wealthy took advantage of the spending and capitalized. Besides trying to blame Obama for the rich getting richer, which by conservative standards should trigger the trickle down, why don't you propose solutions for what can be done in the current climate to fix the problems. I'm not seeing how deregulating the banks and wall street will help things. Please explain

First off the housing crisis had a beginning, and that beginning was government creating more liberal regulations to lower their standards for the purpose of increasing minority home sales. The bad mortgages had to go somewhere, or we would have had a national banking collapse.

Secondly, locking up money is not the way to get an economy going. DumbBama went beyond regulation, he went into downright running the banks.

Jobs don't create themselves, and Presidents don't create jobs either. The private sector creates jobs. All government can do is make it more or less inviting for the private sector to do so. Obama was the most anti-business President in our lifetime. Businesses at the bottom only had one way to go, and that was up, but because of Obama, that was a struggle for them.

Trump is the exact opposite of Obama. He is pro-business, not anti-business. The consumer confidence alone is responsible for the good economy we are now experiencing.

That is pure BULLSHIT. With your HATRED against Obama and a proud racist.

Do you even have any credibility of what you are babbling?
Give us a fucking break.

You are NOT Making America Great but degrading America and you are dragging us with your garbage.

Obama is not America comrade. Obama was the biggest joke America ever played on itself. He was the most anti-business President in our lifetime and perhaps beyond. CNN won't tell you that so that's why you are ignorant on the subject.

 

[Slade3200]

Point is the stock market did not reflect our economy--it reflected funny money being pumped into the system. It was not the low interest rate, it was not active business activity.

Oh yeah, I can agree with you there. The stock market is a whole other game based on speculation, rumor and the influence of Wall Street, bankers and hedge funders that have way too much control over such a crucial element of our economy. It's a shame that we let it get so far that it is a near necessity for our citizens to be invested in what is essentially a fancy casino.

Correct not many places to invest your money

Frankly, failing with his agenda is the best thing he can do for the country, so paradoxically he actually may be succeeded by just not fucking up. LOL

well he isn't failing his agenda, the congress is failing his agenda. and that will be corrected in 2018. How dare that the president of the US would put deadlines on work. That just shows he ain't part of the scum that is DC. they do things at their pace and only their pace, and fk the constituents. Trump is all about the American people.

Trump was is and will always be about trump

then why did he beat hitlery? why did the middle class see his vision? why can't you accept that happened? why do you wish anguish on americans?

Just because Trump beat Hillary that doesn't automatically mean that he is good or even popular. Given two shitty choices he squeaked out a victory. They were both the most unpopular candidates in political history and Trumps approval numbers have remained on the bottom. That is nothing to boast about.

Yes, a method of increasing the money supply and lowering interest rates by purchasing securities and releasing capital to our financial institutions. Its used to promote lending and economic growth at times when interest rates are low. What is your point Ray?

Point is the stock market did not reflect our economy--it reflected funny money being pumped into the system. It was not the low interest rate, it was not active business activity.

Oh yeah, I can agree with you there. The stock market is a whole other game based on speculation, rumor and the influence of Wall Street, bankers and hedge funders that have way too much control over such a crucial element of our economy. It's a shame that we let it get so far that it is a near necessity for our citizens to be invested in what is essentially a fancy casino.

If you tell somebody the game is rigged for them to win, how can you blame them for playing?

Big investors knew the market could only go up with trillions of government dollars supporting it. The rich have never gotten richer than under Obama. But QE ended late 2014, and at the beginning of 2015 is when we started to see numbers that actually reflected the economy.

I'm curious, how do you derigg the game through deregulation. I'm all for deregulation for small business, but when it comes to the big players, how do you proposed checking their power? You are right, our markets crashed when wall street took advantage of reckless play by the mortgage/loan industry, a result of decades of deregulation and poor policy... Obama came in post crisis and tried to regulate and spent to try and stimulate the economy and prevent further disasters. The wealthy took advantage of the spending and capitalized. Besides trying to blame Obama for the rich getting richer, which by conservative standards should trigger the trickle down, why don't you propose solutions for what can be done in the current climate to fix the problems. I'm not seeing how deregulating the banks and wall street will help things. Please explain

Hate to say this Slade but do not expect jc456, Ray or anyone here will give you a qualified or even honest answer.

I appreciate the advice but I've had had many convos with both. You're right about JC, he's a joke... RAY is hit or miss, I've had some good debates with him and some ridiculous ones.

 

[deanrd]

* Dow highest ever.
* Unemployment hits 16-year-low
* Increased GDP
* Prosperity b/c putting American workers FIRST!
* Gone are the days of funding one global initiative after another at the expense of American jobs.
* Gone are the days of taxing American out of making a proper living.
* Regulations and unfair trade practices removed.
* Ending war on coal and unleashing American energy.
* Introduction of tax plan to promote prosperity and create jobs.
* Factories returning.
* No welfare for illegals.
* American free to pursue their dreams.
* God Bless The USA / Making America Great Again!

All garbage. Read Neil levinson.
Growth same as Obama who had to battle with 750000 jobs a month lost
I guess you like America first? WWII amErica nazi party ?
Coal jobs are minimal, less than fast food.
Illegals don't get welfare. Like the Muslim who invented your iPhone?
Such stupidity
Like a guy who groped women and peeked into teenager dressings rooms?
My god, how can you support a low life.
The economy is the same as 2016

The reason they can support Trump is because they feel a kinship. Trump liked to peek in on teen contestants while they were changing their clothes. How many Republicans would do the same if given the opportunity? Probably most of them.
I don't even think they believe him anymore. But they support him anyway. Because they share moral and family values.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

* Dow highest ever.
* Unemployment hits 16-year-low
* Increased GDP
* Prosperity b/c putting American workers FIRST!
* Gone are the days of funding one global initiative after another at the expense of American jobs.
* Gone are the days of taxing American out of making a proper living.
* Regulations and unfair trade practices removed.
* Ending war on coal and unleashing American energy.
* Introduction of tax plan to promote prosperity and create jobs.
* Factories returning.
* No welfare for illegals.
* American free to pursue their dreams.
* God Bless The USA / Making America Great Again!

All garbage. Read Neil levinson.
Growth same as Obama who had to battle with 750000 jobs a month lost
I guess you like America first? WWII amErica nazi party ?
Coal jobs are minimal, less than fast food.
Illegals don't get welfare. Like the Muslim who invented your iPhone?
Such stupidity
Like a guy who groped women and peeked into teenager dressings rooms?
My god, how can you support a low life.
The economy is the same as 2016

The reason they can support Trump is because they feel a kinship. Trump liked to peek in on teen contestants while they were changing their clothes. How many Republicans would do the same if given the opportunity? Probably most of them.
I don't even think they believe him anymore. But they support him anyway. Because they share moral and family values.

No, we support him because of what he's doing and trying to do.

The border results and immigration is exactly what we wanted. A great decrease in border crossings and people getting into this country.

We got a great supreme court judge, and others to follow depending on deaths or retirees.

We have a great reduction in business regulations that help create jobs.

We have a strong market and lowering unemployment. A decrease in government dependency and an increasing workforce participation rate.

We have a leader that's strong enough to challenge our enemies instead of pandering to them.

The MSM is trying to pollute those accomplishments and promote this phony Russia thing. They know nothing will come of it, but they are able to take people's focus of the real issues in the meantime.

 

[Slade3200]

* Dow highest ever.
* Unemployment hits 16-year-low
* Increased GDP
* Prosperity b/c putting American workers FIRST!
* Gone are the days of funding one global initiative after another at the expense of American jobs.
* Gone are the days of taxing American out of making a proper living.
* Regulations and unfair trade practices removed.
* Ending war on coal and unleashing American energy.
* Introduction of tax plan to promote prosperity and create jobs.
* Factories returning.
* No welfare for illegals.
* American free to pursue their dreams.
* God Bless The USA / Making America Great Again!

All garbage. Read Neil levinson.
Growth same as Obama who had to battle with 750000 jobs a month lost
I guess you like America first? WWII amErica nazi party ?
Coal jobs are minimal, less than fast food.
Illegals don't get welfare. Like the Muslim who invented your iPhone?
Such stupidity
Like a guy who groped women and peeked into teenager dressings rooms?
My god, how can you support a low life.
The economy is the same as 2016

The reason they can support Trump is because they feel a kinship. Trump liked to peek in on teen contestants while they were changing their clothes. How many Republicans would do the same if given the opportunity? Probably most of them.
I don't even think they believe him anymore. But they support him anyway. Because they share moral and family values.

No, we support him because of what he's doing and trying to do.

The border results and immigration is exactly what we wanted. A great decrease in border crossings and people getting into this country.

We got a great supreme court judge, and others to follow depending on deaths or retirees.

We have a great reduction in business regulations that help create jobs.

We have a strong market and lowering unemployment. A decrease in government dependency and an increasing workforce participation rate.

We have a leader that's strong enough to challenge our enemies instead of pandering to them.

The MSM is trying to pollute those accomplishments and promote this phony Russia thing. They know nothing will come of it, but they are able to take people's focus of the real issues in the meantime.

I am far from a Trump fan but I can admit that much of what you just listed is true and those are good accomplishments. I'm curious if you can recognize and acknowledge some of the criticism that his opponents are talking about? If so, then what?

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

* Dow highest ever.
* Unemployment hits 16-year-low
* Increased GDP
* Prosperity b/c putting American workers FIRST!
* Gone are the days of funding one global initiative after another at the expense of American jobs.
* Gone are the days of taxing American out of making a proper living.
* Regulations and unfair trade practices removed.
* Ending war on coal and unleashing American energy.
* Introduction of tax plan to promote prosperity and create jobs.
* Factories returning.
* No welfare for illegals.
* American free to pursue their dreams.
* God Bless The USA / Making America Great Again!

All garbage. Read Neil levinson.
Growth same as Obama who had to battle with 750000 jobs a month lost
I guess you like America first? WWII amErica nazi party ?
Coal jobs are minimal, less than fast food.
Illegals don't get welfare. Like the Muslim who invented your iPhone?
Such stupidity
Like a guy who groped women and peeked into teenager dressings rooms?
My god, how can you support a low life.
The economy is the same as 2016

The reason they can support Trump is because they feel a kinship. Trump liked to peek in on teen contestants while they were changing their clothes. How many Republicans would do the same if given the opportunity? Probably most of them.
I don't even think they believe him anymore. But they support him anyway. Because they share moral and family values.

Hmm, a guy who likes boobies or a she-demon? That's a tough one!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

* Dow highest ever.
* Unemployment hits 16-year-low
* Increased GDP
* Prosperity b/c putting American workers FIRST!
* Gone are the days of funding one global initiative after another at the expense of American jobs.
* Gone are the days of taxing American out of making a proper living.
* Regulations and unfair trade practices removed.
* Ending war on coal and unleashing American energy.
* Introduction of tax plan to promote prosperity and create jobs.
* Factories returning.
* No welfare for illegals.
* American free to pursue their dreams.
* God Bless The USA / Making America Great Again!

All garbage. Read Neil levinson.
Growth same as Obama who had to battle with 750000 jobs a month lost
I guess you like America first? WWII amErica nazi party ?
Coal jobs are minimal, less than fast food.
Illegals don't get welfare. Like the Muslim who invented your iPhone?
Such stupidity
Like a guy who groped women and peeked into teenager dressings rooms?
My god, how can you support a low life.
The economy is the same as 2016

The reason they can support Trump is because they feel a kinship. Trump liked to peek in on teen contestants while they were changing their clothes. How many Republicans would do the same if given the opportunity? Probably most of them.
I don't even think they believe him anymore. But they support him anyway. Because they share moral and family values.

No, we support him because of what he's doing and trying to do.

The border results and immigration is exactly what we wanted. A great decrease in border crossings and people getting into this country.

We got a great supreme court judge, and others to follow depending on deaths or retirees.

We have a great reduction in business regulations that help create jobs.

We have a strong market and lowering unemployment. A decrease in government dependency and an increasing workforce participation rate.

We have a leader that's strong enough to challenge our enemies instead of pandering to them.

The MSM is trying to pollute those accomplishments and promote this phony Russia thing. They know nothing will come of it, but they are able to take people's focus of the real issues in the meantime.

I am far from a Trump fan but I can admit that much of what you just listed is true and those are good accomplishments. I'm curious if you can recognize and acknowledge some of the criticism that his opponents are talking about? If so, then what?

I don't know what you mean by that, but I will say is that the left is doing all they can to make sure his accomplishments are buried on page B-3 somewhere. Take the face and personality out of the picture, and just focus on how hard the guy is working and what he's trying to do, and you would have a totally different opinion of his presidency.

But let's advance to his criticism. Okay what are they?

Pussy grabber. Tweet freak. Russian collusion with no evidence whatsoever. He leaves the White House on weekends to play golf. His son talked to a Russian lawyer. There is abrasion between him and the Republican party.....

The criticisms are designed to take the eye off the ball. They are nothing more than a distraction from the real issues.

Now......I'll be the fist to admit Trump is the least elegant Presidents we've ever had. I'll admit that he doesn't think things out before he speaks. I'll admit that he is not the thickest skinned spokesman for our country. His rants are even childish at times. But those are (or should be) secondary issues to the main issues that mean something to our country.

 

[Slade3200]

* Dow highest ever.
* Unemployment hits 16-year-low
* Increased GDP
* Prosperity b/c putting American workers FIRST!
* Gone are the days of funding one global initiative after another at the expense of American jobs.
* Gone are the days of taxing American out of making a proper living.
* Regulations and unfair trade practices removed.
* Ending war on coal and unleashing American energy.
* Introduction of tax plan to promote prosperity and create jobs.
* Factories returning.
* No welfare for illegals.
* American free to pursue their dreams.
* God Bless The USA / Making America Great Again!

All garbage. Read Neil levinson.
Growth same as Obama who had to battle with 750000 jobs a month lost
I guess you like America first? WWII amErica nazi party ?
Coal jobs are minimal, less than fast food.
Illegals don't get welfare. Like the Muslim who invented your iPhone?
Such stupidity
Like a guy who groped women and peeked into teenager dressings rooms?
My god, how can you support a low life.
The economy is the same as 2016

The reason they can support Trump is because they feel a kinship. Trump liked to peek in on teen contestants while they were changing their clothes. How many Republicans would do the same if given the opportunity? Probably most of them.
I don't even think they believe him anymore. But they support him anyway. Because they share moral and family values.

No, we support him because of what he's doing and trying to do.

The border results and immigration is exactly what we wanted. A great decrease in border crossings and people getting into this country.

We got a great supreme court judge, and others to follow depending on deaths or retirees.

We have a great reduction in business regulations that help create jobs.

We have a strong market and lowering unemployment. A decrease in government dependency and an increasing workforce participation rate.

We have a leader that's strong enough to challenge our enemies instead of pandering to them.

The MSM is trying to pollute those accomplishments and promote this phony Russia thing. They know nothing will come of it, but they are able to take people's focus of the real issues in the meantime.

I am far from a Trump fan but I can admit that much of what you just listed is true and those are good accomplishments. I'm curious if you can recognize and acknowledge some of the criticism that his opponents are talking about? If so, then what?

I don't know what you mean by that, but I will say is that the left is doing all they can to make sure his accomplishments are buried on page B-3 somewhere. Take the face and personality out of the picture, and just focus on how hard the guy is working and what he's trying to do, and you would have a totally different opinion of his presidency.

But let's advance to his criticism. Okay what are they?

Pussy grabber. Tweet freak. Russian collusion with no evidence whatsoever. He leaves the White House on weekends to play golf. His son talked to a Russian lawyer. There is abrasion between him and the Republican party.....

The criticisms are designed to take the eye off the ball. They are nothing more than a distraction from the real issues.

Now......I'll be the fist to admit Trump is the least elegant Presidents we've ever had. I'll admit that he doesn't think things out before he speaks. I'll admit that he is not the thickest skinned spokesman for our country. His rants are even childish at times. But those are (or should be) secondary issues to the main issues that mean something to our country.

Ray, you must see that when you dismiss the criticisms like you did at the beginning of your post, you're doing the same thing that the MSM is doing when they ignore and dismiss the achievements. Now your last paragraph is a step in the right direction. Maybe if our politics wasn't so divided And partisan we would both be able to give fair critique and acknowledgment. Unfortunately you're in a position where you always have to defend him and others are in a position where they feel like they cannot give him praise. You have to admit he is one of the most divisive presidents that we've ever had.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

All garbage. Read Neil levinson.
Growth same as Obama who had to battle with 750000 jobs a month lost
I guess you like America first? WWII amErica nazi party ?
Coal jobs are minimal, less than fast food.
Illegals don't get welfare. Like the Muslim who invented your iPhone?
Such stupidity
Like a guy who groped women and peeked into teenager dressings rooms?
My god, how can you support a low life.
The economy is the same as 2016

The reason they can support Trump is because they feel a kinship. Trump liked to peek in on teen contestants while they were changing their clothes. How many Republicans would do the same if given the opportunity? Probably most of them.
I don't even think they believe him anymore. But they support him anyway. Because they share moral and family values.

No, we support him because of what he's doing and trying to do.

The border results and immigration is exactly what we wanted. A great decrease in border crossings and people getting into this country.

We got a great supreme court judge, and others to follow depending on deaths or retirees.

We have a great reduction in business regulations that help create jobs.

We have a strong market and lowering unemployment. A decrease in government dependency and an increasing workforce participation rate.

We have a leader that's strong enough to challenge our enemies instead of pandering to them.

The MSM is trying to pollute those accomplishments and promote this phony Russia thing. They know nothing will come of it, but they are able to take people's focus of the real issues in the meantime.

I am far from a Trump fan but I can admit that much of what you just listed is true and those are good accomplishments. I'm curious if you can recognize and acknowledge some of the criticism that his opponents are talking about? If so, then what?

I don't know what you mean by that, but I will say is that the left is doing all they can to make sure his accomplishments are buried on page B-3 somewhere. Take the face and personality out of the picture, and just focus on how hard the guy is working and what he's trying to do, and you would have a totally different opinion of his presidency.

But let's advance to his criticism. Okay what are they?

Pussy grabber. Tweet freak. Russian collusion with no evidence whatsoever. He leaves the White House on weekends to play golf. His son talked to a Russian lawyer. There is abrasion between him and the Republican party.....

The criticisms are designed to take the eye off the ball. They are nothing more than a distraction from the real issues.

Now......I'll be the fist to admit Trump is the least elegant Presidents we've ever had. I'll admit that he doesn't think things out before he speaks. I'll admit that he is not the thickest skinned spokesman for our country. His rants are even childish at times. But those are (or should be) secondary issues to the main issues that mean something to our country.

Ray, you must see that when you dismiss the criticisms like you did at the beginning of your post, you're doing the same thing that the MSM is doing when they ignore and dismiss the achievements. Now your last paragraph is a step in the right direction. Maybe if our politics wasn't so divided And partisan we would both be able to give fair critique and acknowledgment. Unfortunately you're in a position where you always have to defend him and others are in a position where they feel like they cannot give him praise. You have to admit he is one of the most divisive presidents that we've ever had.

How so? Who is he dividing?

I don't have to defend Trump or anybody else for that matter. I'm under no obligation to do that. I've criticized Bush (and still do at times) when he was in office. I've said bad things about our Governor when he was running for President.

Nobody divides the country more than Democrats. Democrats separate people into groups and decide what groups they like and what groups they dislike. Black vs White, cops vs criminals, gun owners vs gun haters, big business, big pharma, big oil, tobacco users, men vs women, homosexuality vs straight, rich vs blue collar. The entire party platform is separation. How did this cross dresser thing become an issue? Democrats made it an issue; more separation.

If you're looking for bipartisanship, then you won't find it in American politics. The divide gets wider every election. The Republicans have an in-fight between the establishment and the Tea Party types. Tea party people are constitutionalists. On the left, an admitted socialist almost became the nominee, and the US Communist Party endorsed the last three Democrat candidates.

So where is the middle ground between constitutionalists and communists? There is none.