A question about the US military

[Onyx]

I often hear Americans say that US soldiers are defending my freedoms. That they are protecting my rights. I honestly do not see it.

In my opinion, the US military and its servicemen have historically served to protect the status quo of controlling government in America, and the interests of the corrupt politicians which benefit from its existence. Save for the few times when we actually needed heroes with guns to join an institutionalized force of gunslingers, WW2 being a prime example.

With that in mind, it is hard for me to understand why so many Americans that cry against the police state and growing role of authoritarianism, will openly suck the cock of every military servicemen or police officer in existence.

Keep in mind, I do not have a problem with servicemen or military personnel in general.

Many servicemen had good reasons for joining, like wanting to see the world and prove themselves, or because their was an important war going on that they wanted to take a side on, and had a strong moral justification for wanting to choose the side that they did. These servicemen I can respect.

Those are not most servicemen though. Since recruiters primarily advertise towards youth, most servicemen are dumb kids who thought war would be fun, or jocks that got afraid of responsibility so signed up upon a little pressure from a US army recruiter . I don't even have a problem with them though, since they were just young and naive, and a lot of good things probably came out with their choice to join the military.

My problem lies with those that fanatically believe that they are protecting our collective freedoms through military service. That somehow by signing up to serve the ruling political elite in America and following the whim of those people above them making the decisions, that they are doing us other Americans a service.

Yeah, I don't think so. I think that's bullshit. Maybe it isn't though, and I just need some clarification on what some fat quartermaster in a cozy base house in Munich is doing to protect my freedoms.

Until this is explained to me, I am forced to believe that those who religiously serve the government and its authoritarian tendencies through military service, are traitors to the American people. We have a strong heritage rooted in freedom and independence, and in times of peace and even in war, the armed forces serve the very powers that are attempting to rewrite America into becoming a socialist nanny state.

Just because we all know someone serving in the military doesn't change the reality that its existence serves to oppress us. Time to start seeing the enemy for what it really is.

 

[Sunni Man]

Medal of Honor winner Major General Smedley Butler on U.S. interventionism

-- Excerpt from a speech delivered in 1933, by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC.

War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.

I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.
I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.

There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.

It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.

I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.

During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

http://fas.org/man/smedley.htm

 

[OKTexas]

How old are you, the reason I ask it will determine how I go about answering your question.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

I often hear Americans say that US soldiers are defending my freedoms. That they are protecting my rights. I honestly do not see it.

In my opinion, the US military and its servicemen have historically served to protect the status quo of controlling government in America, and the interests of the corrupt politicians which benefit from its existence. Save for the few times when we actually needed heroes with guns to join an institutionalized force of gunslingers, WW2 being a prime example.

With that in mind, it is hard for me to understand why so many Americans that cry against the police state and growing role of authoritarianism, will openly suck the cock of every military servicemen or police officer in existence.

Keep in mind, I do not have a problem with servicemen or military personnel in general.

Many servicemen had good reasons for joining, like wanting to see the world and prove themselves, or because their was an important war going on that they wanted to take a side on, and had a strong moral justification for wanting to choose the side that they did. These servicemen I can respect.

Those are not most servicemen though. Since recruiters primarily advertise towards youth, most servicemen are dumb kids who thought war would be fun, or jocks that got afraid of responsibility so signed up upon a little pressure from a US army recruiter . I don't even have a problem with them though, since they were just young and naive, and a lot of good things probably came out with their choice to join the military.

My problem lies with those that fanatically believe that they are protecting our collective freedoms through military service. That somehow by signing up to serve the ruling political elite in America and following the whim of those people above them making the decisions, that they are doing us other Americans a service.

Yeah, I don't think so. I think that's bullshit. Maybe it isn't though, and I just need some clarification on what some fat quartermaster in a cozy base house in Munich is doing to protect my freedoms.

Until this is explained to me, I am forced to believe that those who religiously serve the government and its authoritarian tendencies through military service, are traitors to the American people. We have a strong heritage rooted in freedom and independence, and in times of peace and even in war, the armed forces serve the very powers that are attempting to rewrite America into becoming a socialist nanny state.

Just because we all know someone serving in the military doesn't change the reality that its existence serves to oppress us. Time to start seeing the enemy for what it really is.

If you feel this way then why do you think we needed to be involved in either one of those World Wars as you stated early on in your post?

*****SMILE*****

 

[Onyx]

If you feel this way then why do you think we needed to be involved in either one of those World Wars as you stated early on in your post?

I do not think participation in WWI was a good thing, but WW2 I do believe so. The US government at the time was nothing to be proud of, but all one had to do was take a look overseas to see just how bad outright fascism was.

That is part of the problem though. We look overseas and see other countries, and heroicize ourselves because we are not as shitty and oppressive. That makes us too settled and complacent. There is no reason we need to settle for being a somewhat shitty country. We can always fight to return to the days of absolute liberty and the original spirit of the American motherland.

The military is the very institution of complacency I despise. They are fighting for this country; This country is a piece of shit that is just a little less shitty than other places in the world. Being American should mean something, but it no longer does.

 

[Onyx]

How old are you, the reason I ask it will determine how I go about answering your question.

It shouldn't matter, bud.

I say I am in my 20's I'll get a difference response than if I say I am in my 30's. I want a universal answer, not an age based answer.

 

[Vigilante]

You have a mistaken thought process.... it's NOT the military you should hate, but the POLITICIANS on both sides of the aisle that are able to ORDER our fine DEFENSIVE FORCE to do things they were not designed to do!

 

[Onyx]

You have a mistaken thought process.... it's NOT the military you should hate, but the POLITICIANS on both sides of the aisle that are able to ORDER our fine DEFENSIVE FORCE to do things they were not designed to do!

You are giving undue absolution to soldiers. Like it or not, our "defense forces" more or less volunteered to make military service their career. If you want to serve in a true defense force, come to me and I'll sign you up with a militia.

You are responsible for who you fight for. I don't care about all of the heroic acts of defiance Rommel committed, at the end of the day, he was still a nazi backed general to the day he died. Just following orders doesn't fly with me anymore.

 

[depotoo]

Mind me asking your age?

I often hear Americans say that US soldiers are defending my freedoms. That they are protecting my rights. I honestly do not see it.

In my opinion, the US military and its servicemen have historically served to protect the status quo of controlling government in America, and the interests of the corrupt politicians which benefit from its existence. Save for the few times when we actually needed heroes with guns to join an institutionalized force of gunslingers, WW2 being a prime example.

With that in mind, it is hard for me to understand why so many Americans that cry against the police state and growing role of authoritarianism, will openly suck the cock of every military servicemen or police officer in existence.

Keep in mind, I do not have a problem with servicemen or military personnel in general.

Many servicemen had good reasons for joining, like wanting to see the world and prove themselves, or because their was an important war going on that they wanted to take a side on, and had a strong moral justification for wanting to choose the side that they did. These servicemen I can respect.

Those are not most servicemen though. Since recruiters primarily advertise towards youth, most servicemen are dumb kids who thought war would be fun, or jocks that got afraid of responsibility so signed up upon a little pressure from a US army recruiter . I don't even have a problem with them though, since they were just young and naive, and a lot of good things probably came out with their choice to join the military.

My problem lies with those that fanatically believe that they are protecting our collective freedoms through military service. That somehow by signing up to serve the ruling political elite in America and following the whim of those people above them making the decisions, that they are doing us other Americans a service.

Yeah, I don't think so. I think that's bullshit. Maybe it isn't though, and I just need some clarification on what some fat quartermaster in a cozy base house in Munich is doing to protect my freedoms.

Until this is explained to me, I am forced to believe that those who religiously serve the government and its authoritarian tendencies through military service, are traitors to the American people. We have a strong heritage rooted in freedom and independence, and in times of peace and even in war, the armed forces serve the very powers that are attempting to rewrite America into becoming a socialist nanny state.

Just because we all know someone serving in the military doesn't change the reality that its existence serves to oppress us. Time to start seeing the enemy for what it really is.

 

[Onyx]

Mind me asking your age?

Yes, I do mind.

 

[depotoo]

How old are you, the reason I ask it will determine how I go about answering your question.

Just saw this. Great minds think alike.

 

[dilloduck]

Private armies are the way to go these days.

 

[Obiwan]

I often hear Americans say that US soldiers are defending my freedoms. That they are protecting my rights. I honestly do not see it.

In my opinion, the US military and its servicemen have historically served to protect the status quo of controlling government in America, and the interests of the corrupt politicians which benefit from its existence. Save for the few times when we actually needed heroes with guns to join an institutionalized force of gunslingers, WW2 being a prime example.

With that in mind, it is hard for me to understand why so many Americans that cry against the police state and growing role of authoritarianism, will openly suck the cock of every military servicemen or police officer in existence.

Keep in mind, I do not have a problem with servicemen or military personnel in general.

Many servicemen had good reasons for joining, like wanting to see the world and prove themselves, or because their was an important war going on that they wanted to take a side on, and had a strong moral justification for wanting to choose the side that they did. These servicemen I can respect.

Those are not most servicemen though. Since recruiters primarily advertise towards youth, most servicemen are dumb kids who thought war would be fun, or jocks that got afraid of responsibility so signed up upon a little pressure from a US army recruiter . I don't even have a problem with them though, since they were just young and naive, and a lot of good things probably came out with their choice to join the military.

My problem lies with those that fanatically believe that they are protecting our collective freedoms through military service. That somehow by signing up to serve the ruling political elite in America and following the whim of those people above them making the decisions, that they are doing us other Americans a service.

Yeah, I don't think so. I think that's bullshit. Maybe it isn't though, and I just need some clarification on what some fat quartermaster in a cozy base house in Munich is doing to protect my freedoms.

Until this is explained to me, I am forced to believe that those who religiously serve the government and its authoritarian tendencies through military service, are traitors to the American people. We have a strong heritage rooted in freedom and independence, and in times of peace and even in war, the armed forces serve the very powers that are attempting to rewrite America into becoming a socialist nanny state.

Just because we all know someone serving in the military doesn't change the reality that its existence serves to oppress us. Time to start seeing the enemy for what it really is.

Really...

Since our forces went into Afghanistan to take out the terrorists who were behind the attacks on 9/11, and fought against Al Qaeda factions in Iraq (and are currently bombing ISIS targets), could you please enlighten us on how much those troops are "oppressing" YOU???

 

[Onyx]

How old are you, the reason I ask it will determine how I go about answering your question.

Just saw this. Great minds think alike.

Needing to know someones age to ask a universal question is not a sign of greatness. Try not to compliment yourself like that, you might be fooled into defining yourself by your ignorance.

 

[Vigilante]

You have a mistaken thought process.... it's NOT the military you should hate, but the POLITICIANS on both sides of the aisle that are able to ORDER our fine DEFENSIVE FORCE to do things they were not designed to do!

You are giving undue absolution to soldiers. Like it or not, our "defense forces" more or less volunteered to make military service their career. If you want to serve in a true defense force, come to me and I'll sign you up with a militia.

You are responsible for who you fight for. I don't care about all of the heroic acts of defiance Rommel committed, at the end of the day, he was still a nazi backed general to the day he died. Just following orders doesn't fly with me anymore.

I'm sorry, but any fucking 20 odd year old, with an avatar of an upside down flag, is NOT what America needs right now!....and honestly NOBODY cares what flies with you, you, like the rest of us have NO SAY or POWER to do anything about it!

 

[depotoo]

Mind me asking your age?

Yes, I do mind.

Of course you do because you know it will be a factor.

 

[Onyx]

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Since our forces went into Afghanistan to take out the terrorists who were behind the attacks on 9/11, and fought against Al Qaeda factions in Iraq (and are currently bombing ISIS targets), could you please enlighten us on how much those troops are "oppressing" YOU???

As I said, there is a difference between a soldier whose claim to service is to prevent terrorism, than a soldier whose claim to service is "protecting my rights."

 

[Onyx]

I'm sorry, but any fucking 20 odd year old, with an avatar of an upside down flag, is NOT what America needs right now!....and honestly NOBODY cares what flies with you, you, like the rest of us have NO SAY or POWER to do anything about it!

That's where you are wrong. If you want to know what America really doesn't need, it is individuals which believe they are helpless to enact change. Take that kind of pathetic attitude to the liberal factions in Russia, they will welcome you with open arms.

 

[Vigilante]

I'm sorry, but any fucking 20 odd year old, with an avatar of an upside down flag, is NOT what America needs right now!....and honestly NOBODY cares what flies with you, you, like the rest of us have NO SAY or POWER to do anything about it!

That's where you are wrong. If you want to know what America really doesn't need, it is individuals which believe they are helpless to enact change. Take that kind of pathetic attitude to the liberal factions in Russia, they will welcome you with open arms.

OK, then VOTE for TRUMP... the only change out there!

 

[Onyx]

Mind me asking your age?

Yes, I do mind.

Of course you do because you know it will be a factor.

Which it shouldn't.

Sorry champ, if you want to have a discussion with me you need to not go on little tangents about age.