A question for the pro-abortion aka pro-choice crowd

what is intro fertilisation and when did I support it?

I can't even make sense out of the rest of your gibbering.

you can point out my spelling error is you like to avoid answering my question. thats a typical excape for those who have lost a debate attack the poster .
your so full of your nonsensical religious mumbo jumbo that
you could not see the truth if it was branded on your nose you twat .

what is truth ?
how old is the earth again ??? and you call my post gibberish .

I didn't point out your spelling error. I pointed out the complete irrational lunacy of your posts. They don't make sense. You can't debate if you can't make yourself understood, and you can't because what you post is complete garbage. I don't mean your points are garbage, i mean your posts are so illiterate and jumbled they don't even have recognizable points.

I'm fairly good at gleaning the meaning behind the words, regardless of the grammar and spelling, and I seldom attack people for just spelling except in the most gentle way (I do poke at people who mock others for a lack of education/spelling ability who can't write a correct, well spelled sentence themselves)...but I can honestly say your posts make no sense whatever. It's not that I disagree with you. You just don't make sense.

ill make it as simple as i can ( hopefully without any spelling mistakes )

(1 ) DO YOU BELIEVE THAT LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION ?

YES OR NO

(2 ) IF THE ANSWER TO (1 ) IS YES
THEN YOU MUST OPPOSE IN VITRO FERTILISATION
CUS IN THAT PROCEDURE MANY LIVES ( EMBRYOS ) ARE DISTROYED

(3 ) AGAIN IF THE ANSWER TO QUESTION ONE IS YES .
WHY THEN IS ABORTION OKAY IN THE CASE OF RAPE OR INCEST ?
 
I don't know about the "usual" reasons, if there is such a thing but I do have some experience with this as I used to volunteer at the Storefront Teen Crisis Center. The girls who talked about getting abortions there had usually been raped, gang-raped, molested or whatever. It was really sad.
Our job was to listen and not discuss our personal views one way or the other. Just to be someone safe for them to talk to. There were kids who had all kinds of problems there. It was heartbreaking. I swear, it was easier working in the ER Room at Children's Hospital.
As far as normal, working adults who have birth control fail or something, I couldn't say.
But I never judged the girls at the center.

You really can't pass harsh judgment on kids who have been taught that abortion is a *good* thing.

Which is why the people who laud it are so despicable. They are victimizing young women by telling them #1, that the children they bear are worthless and deserve death, and #2, that murder is an acceptable method of birth control and will fix everything.

Yes, you are absolutely correct, the psychological after effect of abortion is a completely ignored topic. From what I understrand, a high percentage of women are haunted the rest of their lives by the so called 'choice' that they made to end their child's life. The repercusions later in life are never discussed with these young girls who go to get abortions. But, any sacrifice is worth it to push their agenda of sexual freedom, women's 'liberation', and an amoralistic society.

No one is taught that abortion is a "good thing".
That premise is complete BS.
 
You really can't pass harsh judgment on kids who have been taught that abortion is a *good* thing.

Which is why the people who laud it are so despicable. They are victimizing young women by telling them #1, that the children they bear are worthless and deserve death, and #2, that murder is an acceptable method of birth control and will fix everything.

Yes, you are absolutely correct, the psychological after effect of abortion is a completely ignored topic. From what I understrand, a high percentage of women are haunted the rest of their lives by the so called 'choice' that they made to end their child's life. The repercusions later in life are never discussed with these young girls who go to get abortions. But, any sacrifice is worth it to push their agenda of sexual freedom, women's 'liberation', and an amoralistic society.

No one is taught that abortion is a "good thing".
That premise is complete BS.

Goes along with the whole BS premise of this entire thread.

I'm pro-choice, the best number of abortions possible is zero.

That's not what some of these people want to hear, it minimizes their ability to play the holier than thou card.
 
I didn't say they were being taught it at home. They're taught it in the schools, the clinics, on television.

So if they are racked with guilt, why are they encouraged to abort? Because their babies are viewed as worthless, as they themselves are.

Who said they were "encouraged". These were not the "Oops the condom broke" kind of situations. They were extreme. 12 year olds being gang-rapred by her brother and his gang-member friends. 13 year old raped by dad. Stuff like that. Traumatic stuff.
They want to go finish high school, have a normal life, NOT go on welfare, whatever. They don't want to walk around being reminded every day of the trauma. So while I arrived with very clear, anti-abortion views, I could never sit in judgement of a girl who had been through things I couldn't even imagine, and only wants things I take for granted.
Everyone talks about adoption but that's not the answer. We just don't have enough people willing to adopt out there. Or they say "get help from the church" or some such nonsense. But for every kid who is helped by a church, there are 10,000 who aren't. It's easy to armchair quarterback these things - not so easy when you're right there in person.
I think in the cases of rape and incest, I can personally understand and condone it. But like I said, my experience with abortion overall, has been limited to very severe circumstances.
 
I didn't say they were being taught it at home. They're taught it in the schools, the clinics, on television.

So if they are racked with guilt, why are they encouraged to abort? Because their babies are viewed as worthless, as they themselves are.

Who said they were "encouraged". These were not the "Oops the condom broke" kind of situations. They were extreme. 12 year olds being gang-rapred by her brother and his gang-member friends. 13 year old raped by dad. Stuff like that. Traumatic stuff.
They want to go finish high school, have a normal life, NOT go on welfare, whatever. They don't want to walk around being reminded every day of the trauma. So while I arrived with very clear, anti-abortion views, I could never sit in judgement of a girl who had been through things I couldn't even imagine, and only wants things I take for granted.
Everyone talks about adoption but that's not the answer. We just don't have enough people willing to adopt out there. Or they say "get help from the church" or some such nonsense. But for every kid who is helped by a church, there are 10,000 who aren't. It's easy to armchair quarterback these things - not so easy when you're right there in person.
I think in the cases of rape and incest, I can personally understand and condone it. But like I said, my experience with abortion overall, has been limited to very severe circumstances.

You need to give her a break dude. She is operating on less than a full tank.
 
Keep in mind that the retards who support [legalized abortion] are the ones who say they support it because it PREVENTS those things.

While that argument is logically sound, it's not really necessary nor is there a lot of empirical evidence about it one way or the other. I believe abortion should be legal because women should be in control of their own fertility, and I regard abortion as just as much a part of that as birth control, which I also support. No hypothetical societal benefits beyond that need to be asserted.

However, I thought you were claiming that legalized abortion had actually caused these things to increase. If not, I apologize for the misunderstanding.
 
I do think it plays a part but that's just a matter of opinion, it's impossible to prove.
 
To date no one has ever found anyone that is pro abortion.

Lie.
If you support legal abortion, you are pro abortion.

This argument is as stupid as the argument that abortion prevents child abuse.

I support legal cigarette smoking and I am anti smoking.
You are not very smart.
To date no one has ever found anyone that is pro abortion. There is no such thing.
Anyone that suggests otherwise is a complete dumb ass.
 
Of course I'm smart. Your argument is ridiculous, it's not even an argument. As I said, it's as stupid as the *argument* that abortion prevents child abuse. It's just a logical fallacy meant to hide the fact that you are, in fact, pro abortion.

Cuz nobody who supports human rights violations, the butchery of children and exploitation and abuse of women wants anyone to realize that is exactly what they support. So..they lie. Nazis said killing Jews was a necessary evil, too. Nothing new under the sun. They performed atrocities in the name of "science" and "humanity" as well.

Disgusting.
 
Of course I'm smart. Your argument is ridiculous, it's not even an argument. As I said, it's as stupid as the *argument* that abortion prevents child abuse. It's just a logical fallacy meant to hide the fact that you are, in fact, pro abortion.

Cuz nobody who supports human rights violations, the butchery of children and exploitation and abuse of women wants anyone to realize that is exactly what they support. So..they lie. Nazis said killing Jews was a necessary evil, too. Nothing new under the sun. They performed atrocities in the name of "science" and "humanity" as well.

Disgusting.

Where did I ever claim abortion prevents child abuse?
Never did.
You have no case. Give it up. You are making yourself look very foolish.
Nazis? Jews? Butchery of children?
WTF is that all about? No one here stated they supported government in that.
You make up BS.
 
You can try to intimidate me all day long, it doesn't make any difference, I have no use for male pigs who have nothing better to do than attempt to intimidate women, telling them they're too stupid to understand the finer points of how useful abortion is. What a puke you are.

And I never said you said that abortion prevents child abuse, you retard. I said your strawman was as ridiculous as that one. Talk about stupid.
 
You really can't pass harsh judgment on kids who have been taught that abortion is a *good* thing.

Which is why the people who laud it are so despicable. They are victimizing young women by telling them #1, that the children they bear are worthless and deserve death, and #2, that murder is an acceptable method of birth control and will fix everything.

Yes, you are absolutely correct, the psychological after effect of abortion is a completely ignored topic. From what I understrand, a high percentage of women are haunted the rest of their lives by the so called 'choice' that they made to end their child's life. The repercusions later in life are never discussed with these young girls who go to get abortions. But, any sacrifice is worth it to push their agenda of sexual freedom, women's 'liberation', and an amoralistic society.

No one is taught that abortion is a "good thing".
That premise is complete BS.

Hey, at least you admit that it's a bad thing. But, to argue otherwise would make you look pretty stupid too I suppose. People have the choice to to do bad things all the time, but whenever if affects another human life, then typically there are consequences to that choice. So, if you don't want to have legal consequences to ending a life, that's fine, keep promoting it, but you can do nothing about the negative psychological consequences, they will manifest in any normal person with a conscience. But you don't care about them at that point, you only care that they make great scape goats to rationalize your own apparent lack of conscience.

And addressing your post on 'freedom', everyone is free to make the choice as to whether or not they have children and how many before they bring a life into this world, once it's here it's a little too late. After that, it's murder for convenience, but you just keep rationalizing it to make yourself believe otherwise.
 
Yes, you are absolutely correct, the psychological after effect of abortion is a completely ignored topic. From what I understrand, a high percentage of women are haunted the rest of their lives by the so called 'choice' that they made to end their child's life. The repercusions later in life are never discussed with these young girls who go to get abortions. But, any sacrifice is worth it to push their agenda of sexual freedom, women's 'liberation', and an amoralistic society.

No one is taught that abortion is a "good thing".
That premise is complete BS.

Hey, at least you admit that it's a bad thing. But, to argue otherwise would make you look pretty stupid too I suppose. People have the choice to to do bad things all the time, but whenever if affects another human life, then typically there are consequences to that choice. So, if you don't want to have legal consequences to ending a life, that's fine, keep promoting it, but you can do nothing about the negative psychological consequences, they will manifest in any normal person with a conscience. But you don't care about them at that point, you only care that they make great scape goats to rationalize your own apparent lack of conscience.

And addressing your post on 'freedom', everyone is free to make the choice as to whether or not they have children and how many before they bring a life into this world, once it's here it's a little too late. After that, it's murder for convenience, but you just keep rationalizing it to make yourself believe otherwise.

I don't promote it either so quit the BS.
Government determining the "legal consequences"??
Tell us how that would work.
I have no lack of conscience. You can make bogus claims all you want but it is not true.
 

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