A Reasonable Solution To The Gay Marriage Debate

[BDBoop]

I agree.

 

[koshergrl]

Again. All those things that you are touting as "advances"...more single parent households, for example..aren't advances at all.

"So what about the end of the traditional American family? Could it be that folks in the media are exaggerating just a little bit? One of the newsweeklies offered an approving sidebar of a young woman who has had three children by three different men and has married none of them. Her kids have asked her why she doesn’t get married. She replied—and her reply was written in large, headline type—“I had the kids. Why should I marry?” (Well, ma’am, rather than talk about you, let’s talk about what’s best for your children....)


The media’s reporting of the changing American family—and make no mistake, it is changing, and sometimes for the better—is filled with the bias of false inclusion, so much so that any parent who lives with a spouse and children could hardly be blamed for thinking that he or she is a cultural anachronism. And anybody who insists, as most level-headed people would, that two parents are better than one is immediately dismissed as a right-wing fanatic, a borderline cultural fascist, who seeks to impose outdated ideas of morality and family on others."

http://www.americamagazine.org/content/article.cfm?article_id=1428

 

[daws101]

You make these claims, but there are plenty of gay couples are living in a stable relationship.

I make no claim but state what is normally seen as fact abnormal is not nor has it ever been stable. Unless you are redefining what is normal and abnormal.

The problem is that you are using "abnormal" to describe one single aspect of the person, and then making the huge leap of nonsense to try and infer that makes their entire existence abnormal.

While their sexual orientation can be called abnormal, owing to the relatively small number of homosexuals compared to heterosexuals, it does not address their ability to form stable relationships.

I defy you to show any evidence that it does. (and remember, you said abnormal has never been stable)

bigrebnc IS rationalizing what he believes "should" be normal, in reality there is no normal but there is average.
to be accurate homosexuality is RARE not abnormal.
any person could be categorized as abnormal for any number of "perceived"differences.
those perceptions are based on ignorance, bigotry and the need to feel superior.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I make no claim but state what is normally seen as fact abnormal is not nor has it ever been stable. Unless you are redefining what is normal and abnormal.

The problem is that you are using "abnormal" to describe one single aspect of the person, and then making the huge leap of nonsense to try and infer that makes their entire existence abnormal.

While their sexual orientation can be called abnormal, owing to the relatively small number of homosexuals compared to heterosexuals, it does not address their ability to form stable relationships.

I defy you to show any evidence that it does. (and remember, you said abnormal has never been stable)

bigrebnc IS rationalizing what he believes "should" be normal, in reality there is no normal but there is average.
to be accurate homosexuality is RARE not abnormal.
any person could be categorized as abnormal for any number of "perceived"differences.
those perceptions are based on ignorance, bigotry and the need to feel superior.

Is it normal to desire to have sex with the same sex?

 

[koshergrl]

I make no claim but state what is normally seen as fact abnormal is not nor has it ever been stable. Unless you are redefining what is normal and abnormal.

The problem is that you are using "abnormal" to describe one single aspect of the person, and then making the huge leap of nonsense to try and infer that makes their entire existence abnormal.

While their sexual orientation can be called abnormal, owing to the relatively small number of homosexuals compared to heterosexuals, it does not address their ability to form stable relationships.

I defy you to show any evidence that it does. (and remember, you said abnormal has never been stable)

bigrebnc IS rationalizing what he believes "should" be normal, in reality there is no normal but there is average.
to be accurate homosexuality is RARE not abnormal.
any person could be categorized as abnormal for any number of "perceived"differences.
those perceptions are based on ignorance, bigotry and the need to feel superior.

To be accurate, we have no idea if it's abnormal or not, as we don't know how it comes about.

And rare is abnormal, if it doesn't occur naturally, and we have no evidence that homosexuality is a natural state:

"
1nor·mal

adj \ˈnȯr-məl\




Definition of NORMAL

1
a : according with, constituting, or not deviating from a norm, rule, or principle b : conforming to a type, standard, or regular pattern

2
: occurring naturally and not because of disease, inoculation, or any experimental treatment <normal immunity> "
Normal - Medical Definition and More from Merriam-Webster

 

[daws101]

"Yet much of that research fails to meet acceptable standards for psychological research; it is compromised by methodological flaws and driven by political agendas instead of an objective search for truth. In addition, openly lesbian researchers sometimes conduct research with an interest in portraying homosexual parenting in a positive light. The deficiencies of studies on homosexual parenting include reliance upon an inadequate sample size, lack of random sampling, lack of anonymity of research participants, and self-presentation bias. The presence of methodological defects--a mark of substandard research--would be cause for rejection of research conducted in virtually any other subject area. The overlooking of such deficiencies in research papers on homosexual failures can be attributed to the "politically correct" determination within those in the social science professions to "prove" that homosexual households are no different than traditional families."


"Children raised in traditional families by a mother and father are happier, healthier, and more successful than children raised in non-traditional environments.
David Cramer, whose review of twenty studies on homosexual parenting appeared in the Journal of Counseling and Development, found the following:
The generalizability of the studies is limited. Few studies employed control groups and most had small samples. Almost all parents were Anglo-American, middle class, and well educated. Measures for assessing gender roles in young children tend to focus on social behavior and generally are not accurate psychological instruments. Therefore it is impossible to make large scale generalizations . . . that would be applicable to all children.[1]
Since these words were penned in 1986, the number of studies on the subject of homosexual parenting has steadily grown. The fact that these studies continue to be flawed by the methodological errors warned about by Cramer has not inhibited the proponents of homosexual parenting from their sanguine assessment of the outcomes of children raised in homosexual households."


Homosexual Parenting: Placing Children at Risk

FAMILY RESEARCH COUNCIL! FUCK ME! AND YOU ASS HATS YAMMER ABOUT AGENDAS!
KINDA CONTRADICT IVE AIN'T IT?
almost finished reading this thread and all of "evidence" against same sex marriage is to say the least, underwhelming

 

[koshergrl]

I would think if you really are maintaining that the family is well served by homosexual marriage, you would be interested in what those who have spent a lifetime researching the family have to say about it.

You just prove that, as all of those who swallow Kinsey without barfing, you aren't really interested in truth, or science, or anything else. You're interested in promoting an anti-child agenda whose primary objective for the last 50 years has been to sexualize children and eliminate social constructs that protect them from predators like Kinsey and his Nazi friends.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

"Yet much of that research fails to meet acceptable standards for psychological research; it is compromised by methodological flaws and driven by political agendas instead of an objective search for truth. In addition, openly lesbian researchers sometimes conduct research with an interest in portraying homosexual parenting in a positive light. The deficiencies of studies on homosexual parenting include reliance upon an inadequate sample size, lack of random sampling, lack of anonymity of research participants, and self-presentation bias. The presence of methodological defects--a mark of substandard research--would be cause for rejection of research conducted in virtually any other subject area. The overlooking of such deficiencies in research papers on homosexual failures can be attributed to the "politically correct" determination within those in the social science professions to "prove" that homosexual households are no different than traditional families."


"Children raised in traditional families by a mother and father are happier, healthier, and more successful than children raised in non-traditional environments.
David Cramer, whose review of twenty studies on homosexual parenting appeared in the Journal of Counseling and Development, found the following:
The generalizability of the studies is limited. Few studies employed control groups and most had small samples. Almost all parents were Anglo-American, middle class, and well educated. Measures for assessing gender roles in young children tend to focus on social behavior and generally are not accurate psychological instruments. Therefore it is impossible to make large scale generalizations . . . that would be applicable to all children.[1]
Since these words were penned in 1986, the number of studies on the subject of homosexual parenting has steadily grown. The fact that these studies continue to be flawed by the methodological errors warned about by Cramer has not inhibited the proponents of homosexual parenting from their sanguine assessment of the outcomes of children raised in homosexual households."


Homosexual Parenting: Placing Children at Risk

FAMILY RESEARCH COUNCIL! FUCK ME! AND YOU ASS HATS YAMMER ABOUT AGENDAS!
KINDA CONTRADICT IVE AIN'T IT?
almost finished reading this thread and all of "evidence" against same sex marriage is to say the least, underwhelming

I tell you want you can do load up every gay man and woman find an island and see how long gays will last. Oh and if by chance gay start to become attracted to the opposite sex and start having baby's you must hand those children over because your island will be for gays on;t and since those new born aren't gay they can't live there. I give gay's 30 years before they die out.

 

[koshergrl]

Here are the sources quotes by the article:

"
1. David Cramer, "Gay Parents and Their Children: A Review of Research and Practical Implications," Journal of Counseling and Development 64 (April 1986): 506. See alsoFrederick W. Bozett, "Gay Fathers: A Review of the Literature," in Homosexuality and the Family (New York: Harrington Park Press, 1989), p. 152. Bozett writes: "Most studies of gay fathers are based on nonrandom small sample sizes, with subjects who are Caucasian, middle- to upper-class, well educated with occupations commensurate with their education, who come mostly from urban centers, and who are relatively accepting of their homosexuality. There is severely limited knowledge of gay fathers who vary from these demographics. Moreover, the validity and reliability of the instruments used in the studies reported are not always addressed."
2. Louise B. Silverstein and Carl F. Auerbach, "Deconstructing the Essential Father," American Psychologist 54 (June 1999): 397-407.
3. Charlotte J. Patterson, "Lesbian and Gay Parenting," American Psychological Association Public Interest Directorate (1995): 8. "

Homosexual Parenting: Placing Children at Risk

 

[daws101]

The problem is that you are using "abnormal" to describe one single aspect of the person, and then making the huge leap of nonsense to try and infer that makes their entire existence abnormal.

While their sexual orientation can be called abnormal, owing to the relatively small number of homosexuals compared to heterosexuals, it does not address their ability to form stable relationships.

I defy you to show any evidence that it does. (and remember, you said abnormal has never been stable)

bigrebnc IS rationalizing what he believes "should" be normal, in reality there is no normal but there is average.
to be accurate homosexuality is RARE not abnormal.
any person could be categorized as abnormal for any number of "perceived"differences.
those perceptions are based on ignorance, bigotry and the need to feel superior.

Is it normal to desire to have sex with the same sex?

if you're homosexual it is.
gay people do not choose their sexuality just as heterosexuals do not.
some people are bisexual some are even asexual. evolution does not make those kind of distinctions.

on the other hand if you believe in the Christian god ,then you must believe that god made them just like he made you.
if you believe that homosexuality is wrong, then either god fucked up or your own ignorance, and bigotry is clouding your vision.

 

[WinterBorn]

"Yet much of that research fails to meet acceptable standards for psychological research; it is compromised by methodological flaws and driven by political agendas instead of an objective search for truth. In addition, openly lesbian researchers sometimes conduct research with an interest in portraying homosexual parenting in a positive light. The deficiencies of studies on homosexual parenting include reliance upon an inadequate sample size, lack of random sampling, lack of anonymity of research participants, and self-presentation bias. The presence of methodological defects--a mark of substandard research--would be cause for rejection of research conducted in virtually any other subject area. The overlooking of such deficiencies in research papers on homosexual failures can be attributed to the "politically correct" determination within those in the social science professions to "prove" that homosexual households are no different than traditional families."


"Children raised in traditional families by a mother and father are happier, healthier, and more successful than children raised in non-traditional environments.
David Cramer, whose review of twenty studies on homosexual parenting appeared in the Journal of Counseling and Development, found the following:
The generalizability of the studies is limited. Few studies employed control groups and most had small samples. Almost all parents were Anglo-American, middle class, and well educated. Measures for assessing gender roles in young children tend to focus on social behavior and generally are not accurate psychological instruments. Therefore it is impossible to make large scale generalizations . . . that would be applicable to all children.[1]
Since these words were penned in 1986, the number of studies on the subject of homosexual parenting has steadily grown. The fact that these studies continue to be flawed by the methodological errors warned about by Cramer has not inhibited the proponents of homosexual parenting from their sanguine assessment of the outcomes of children raised in homosexual households."


Homosexual Parenting: Placing Children at Risk

FAMILY RESEARCH COUNCIL! FUCK ME! AND YOU ASS HATS YAMMER ABOUT AGENDAS!
KINDA CONTRADICT IVE AIN'T IT?
almost finished reading this thread and all of "evidence" against same sex marriage is to say the least, underwhelming

I tell you want you can do load up every gay man and woman find an island and see how long gays will last. Oh and if by chance gay start to become attracted to the opposite sex and start having baby's you must hand those children over because your island will be for gays on;t and since those new born aren't gay they can't live there. I give gay's 30 years before they die out.

Trying to plan your next vacation, bigreb?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

bigrebnc IS rationalizing what he believes "should" be normal, in reality there is no normal but there is average.
to be accurate homosexuality is RARE not abnormal.
any person could be categorized as abnormal for any number of "perceived"differences.
those perceptions are based on ignorance, bigotry and the need to feel superior.

Is it normal to desire to have sex with the same sex?

if you're homosexual it is.
gay people do not choose their sexuality just as heterosexuals do not.
some people are bisexual some are even asexual. evolution does not make those kind of distinctions.

on the other hand if you believe in the Christian god ,then you must believe that god made them just like he made you.
if you believe that homosexuality is wrong, then either god fucked up or your own ignorance, and bigotry is clouding your vision.

Well there you go homosexuals are not normal.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

FAMILY RESEARCH COUNCIL! FUCK ME! AND YOU ASS HATS YAMMER ABOUT AGENDAS!
KINDA CONTRADICT IVE AIN'T IT?
almost finished reading this thread and all of "evidence" against same sex marriage is to say the least, underwhelming

I tell you want you can do load up every gay man and woman find an island and see how long gays will last. Oh and if by chance gay start to become attracted to the opposite sex and start having baby's you must hand those children over because your island will be for gays on;t and since those new born aren't gay they can't live there. I give gay's 30 years before they die out.

Trying to plan your next vacation, bigreb?

Gays will die out without straight people to create more children for them to infect with their gay life style.

 

[daws101]

I would think if you really are maintaining that the family is well served by homosexual marriage, you would be interested in what those who have spent a lifetime researching the family have to say about it.

You just prove that, as all of those who swallow Kinsey without barfing, you aren't really interested in truth, or science, or anything else. You're interested in promoting an anti-child agenda whose primary objective for the last 50 years has been to sexualize children and eliminate social constructs that protect them from predators like Kinsey and his Nazi friends.

wrong! what I proved is you have no objective evidence just bias rambling

"You're interested in promoting an anti-child agenda whose primary objective for the last 50 years has been to sexualize children and eliminate social constructs that protect them from predators like Kinsey and his Nazi friends "- KG

BUULLSHIT!


Allegations About Childhood Data in the 1948 book, Sexual Behavior in the Human Male
Allegations against Alfred Kinsey and his research on children's sexual responses, as reported in Sexual Behavior in the Human Male, were first made in 1981 by Dr. Judith Reisman. She subsequently enlarged on these ideas in a book written jointly with Edward Eichel and published in 1990 (Kinsey, Sex, and Fraud).

When The Kinsey Institute responded, Reisman filed suit in 1991 against The Kinsey Institute, then director June Reinisch, and Indiana University, alleging defamation of character and slander. In September 1993, Reisman's lawyer withdrew from the case, and in June 1994 the court dismissed Reisman's case with prejudice (which means that Reisman is prohibited from refiling the suit).

Below is a reiteration of some of the accusations against Kinsey and his research from Dr. Reisman and others, and the Institute's response:

The act of encouraging pedophiles to rape innocent babies and toddlers in the names of "science" offends. The act of protecting them from prosecution offends. The act of falsifying research findings which, in turn, open the floodgates for the sexual abuse of children, offends. (from Dr. Laura Schlesinger's website)

This would be a cause of great concern if it were true. It is not true. Kinsey did not carry out any experiments on children, nor did he hire, collaborate, or persuade people to carry out experiments on children. He did not falsify research findings and he in no way condoned any sexual abuse.

Kinsey did talk to thousands of people about their sex lives, in confidence. Some of the behaviors that these people disclosed, including abuse of children, were illegal. In fact, many sexual behaviors, even those between married adults, were illegal in the 1940's and 1950's. Without confidentiality, it would have been impossible to investigate the very private lives of Americans then, and even now.

The Kinsey Institute - Response to Controversy - Childhood Data [About the Institute]

 

[koshergrl]

Is this a joke?

 

[daws101]

Is it normal to desire to have sex with the same sex?

if you're homosexual it is.
gay people do not choose their sexuality just as heterosexuals do not.
some people are bisexual some are even asexual. evolution does not make those kind of distinctions.

on the other hand if you believe in the Christian god ,then you must believe that god made them just like he made you.
if you believe that homosexuality is wrong, then either god fucked up or your own ignorance, and bigotry is clouding your vision.

Well there you go homosexuals are not normal.

JUST THE ANSWER I EXPECTED!

 

[koshergrl]

I'm sure, since it's the truth.

 

[daws101]

Is this a joke?

your posts?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Is this a joke?

your posts?

no your's

 

[koshergrl]

You're quoting the Kinsey Institute on why we should accept Kinsey's landmark *studies* of perversion, and continue to teach Kinsey's lies in our schools.

It must be a joke.