LoneLaugher
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Why doesn't the OP know that undocumented immigrants represent a net positive for the US economy?
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Except they do those jobs. The whole pretense that there is a shortage makes you a liar.
Why doesn't the OP know that undocumented immigrants represent a net positive for the US economy?
Fuck that. Are you a liberal? Well then you need to know that unions have always been against illegal immigrant labor. They knew the more cheap labor flooding the market means lower wages. And companies hiring illegals instead of Americans. And you wonder why blue collar is struggling. What’s wrong with you? Google thom Hartmann’s op ed corporatists vs racists and labor left behind.Why doesn't the OP know that undocumented immigrants represent a net positive for the US economy?
Why doesn't the OP know that undocumented immigrants represent a net positive for the US economy?
Why doesn't the OP know that undocumented immigrants represent a net positive for the US economy?
She's too busy hating mexicans just like Jesus did.
Fuck that. Are you a liberal? Well then you need to know that unions have always been against illegal immigrant labor. They knew the more cheap labor flooding the market means lower wages. And companies hiring illegals instead of Americans. And you wonder why blue collar is struggling. What’s wrong with you? Google thom Hartmann’s op ed corporatists vs racists and labor left behind.Why doesn't the OP know that undocumented immigrants represent a net positive for the US economy?
How many blue collar Americans would start a house cleaning company or landscaping company if illegals went away? How many American landscaping companies today hire illegals? Now is when you say it’s because they can’t find workers. Ok, then make the immigrants you import legal. Put them on the books. And pay them American wages and over the table. You have to apply to the government and tell them how many Mexicans you want. Or Arabs. Yes you can choose what kind of immigrants you want. Lol if I was a landscaper I wouldn’t want Indians
/—-/ Working for cash off the books, for starters.Okay, here's the problem with your whole theory.
If we don't have immigration, we aren't going to have enough young people paying into the system to keep it afloat. I mean, it would be nice if the politicians stopped stealing from Social Security to pay for bombers and tax cuts for billionaires, but at some point, we are going to need more younger people to provide the tax revenues for these folks.
Not to mention a pool of people to change Granny's Depends(R) for minimum wage.
The reality, immigration is a net benefit, because we get the value of the goods and services produced by these immigrants, as opposed to these old folks in nursing homes who really don't produce anything at this point in their lives.
Illegals don't "pay into the system". Hello?
How can you not know that undocumented immigrants pay into the system?
Easy. You don't want to know.
Why doesn't the OP know that undocumented immigrants represent a net positive for the US economy?
Soundbites. I came through with the stats.
/—-/ Working for cash off the books, for starters.Okay, here's the problem with your whole theory.
If we don't have immigration, we aren't going to have enough young people paying into the system to keep it afloat. I mean, it would be nice if the politicians stopped stealing from Social Security to pay for bombers and tax cuts for billionaires, but at some point, we are going to need more younger people to provide the tax revenues for these folks.
Not to mention a pool of people to change Granny's Depends(R) for minimum wage.
The reality, immigration is a net benefit, because we get the value of the goods and services produced by these immigrants, as opposed to these old folks in nursing homes who really don't produce anything at this point in their lives.
Illegals don't "pay into the system". Hello?
How can you not know that undocumented immigrants pay into the system?
Easy. You don't want to know.
Why doesn't the OP know that undocumented immigrants represent a net positive for the US economy?
Soundbites. I came through with the stats.
No you didn't. You made some claims. But failed miserably.
We had to put my mom in an Alzheimer’s home. Either $12k or $22k a month if you didn’t have Medicare. We paid 1 month and were hoping my mom would get Medicare in a month before they took any more of my dads money. A lawyer said he could get her on Medicare. My dad and I didn’t believe Medicare would kick in until my dad was broke. Luckily she didn’t last more than one month so we didn’t have to find out.Last night we visited an elderly family member at a care home. I was pleased to see that the care staff seems competent and friendly. My family member reports she is being well cared for, the food is good, and she gets good rest.
This is no less than she deserves, having paid into "the system" for years and years. (We can debate another day whether we need 'a system' at all). As she was reporting that Medicaid would give her a ride to her doctor appointments, I thought of the money all her care was costing. Again, she deserves this care. We owe it to our elderly citizens who have paid in and raised our young ones.
And then I thought of the thousands of people stealing over the border every year, taking money out of the system without ever having put a darn thing in. And they people who support this. Who say it's immoral NOT to support this.
It seems to me, if you support this, you are supporting taking money away from American citizens who really need it. Resources are finite. Money runs out. If you raise taxes, the economy slows and the funds dry up.
Given the scenario above, it seems incomprehensible to me that Americans do not want to seal the border. Can anyone make the case?
/——-/ Yes. My contractor and landscaper./—-/ Working for cash off the books, for starters.Okay, here's the problem with your whole theory.
If we don't have immigration, we aren't going to have enough young people paying into the system to keep it afloat. I mean, it would be nice if the politicians stopped stealing from Social Security to pay for bombers and tax cuts for billionaires, but at some point, we are going to need more younger people to provide the tax revenues for these folks.
Not to mention a pool of people to change Granny's Depends(R) for minimum wage.
The reality, immigration is a net benefit, because we get the value of the goods and services produced by these immigrants, as opposed to these old folks in nursing homes who really don't produce anything at this point in their lives.
Illegals don't "pay into the system". Hello?
How can you not know that undocumented immigrants pay into the system?
Easy. You don't want to know.
Oh yeah? Let me guess. You've witnesses this with your own eyes. Right?
Fuck that. Are you a liberal? Well then you need to know that unions have always been against illegal immigrant labor. They knew the more cheap labor flooding the market means lower wages. And companies hiring illegals instead of Americans. And you wonder why blue collar is struggling. What’s wrong with you? Google thom Hartmann’s op ed corporatists vs racists and labor left behind.
How many blue collar Americans would start a house cleaning company or landscaping company if illegals went away? How many American landscaping companies today hire illegals? Now is when you say it’s because they can’t find workers. Ok, then make the immigrants you import legal. Put them on the books. And pay them American wages and over the table. You have to apply to the government and tell them how many Mexicans you want. Or Arabs. Yes you can choose what kind of immigrants you want. Lol if I was a landscaper I wouldn’t want Indians
Why doesn't the OP know that undocumented immigrants represent a net positive for the US economy?
Soundbites. I came through with the stats.
No you didn't. You made some claims. But failed miserably.
No, you have made claims and provided nothing. Actually not even claims, you have spouted the soundbites of your Overlords, that's it. You have linked nothing, no support, nothing.
/——-/ Yes. My contractor and landscaper./—-/ Working for cash off the books, for starters.Okay, here's the problem with your whole theory.
If we don't have immigration, we aren't going to have enough young people paying into the system to keep it afloat. I mean, it would be nice if the politicians stopped stealing from Social Security to pay for bombers and tax cuts for billionaires, but at some point, we are going to need more younger people to provide the tax revenues for these folks.
Not to mention a pool of people to change Granny's Depends(R) for minimum wage.
The reality, immigration is a net benefit, because we get the value of the goods and services produced by these immigrants, as opposed to these old folks in nursing homes who really don't produce anything at this point in their lives.
Illegals don't "pay into the system". Hello?
How can you not know that undocumented immigrants pay into the system?
Easy. You don't want to know.
Oh yeah? Let me guess. You've witnesses this with your own eyes. Right?
/—-/ You’re generalizing. Explain how trade jobs are filled by Americans, like construction, auto mechanics, plumbing and so forth if they don’t want to do manual labor.Fuck that. Are you a liberal? Well then you need to know that unions have always been against illegal immigrant labor. They knew the more cheap labor flooding the market means lower wages. And companies hiring illegals instead of Americans. And you wonder why blue collar is struggling. What’s wrong with you? Google thom Hartmann’s op ed corporatists vs racists and labor left behind.
How many blue collar Americans would start a house cleaning company or landscaping company if illegals went away? How many American landscaping companies today hire illegals? Now is when you say it’s because they can’t find workers. Ok, then make the immigrants you import legal. Put them on the books. And pay them American wages and over the table. You have to apply to the government and tell them how many Mexicans you want. Or Arabs. Yes you can choose what kind of immigrants you want. Lol if I was a landscaper I wouldn’t want Indians
But you see, that was kind of the point. It used to be, INS was part of the Labor Department, and their entire criteria was how many new people do we let in to fill in labor gaps in key markets. The mistake we've made is we've moved INS over to Justice, then reorganized it as the Jackbooted ICE and sent it over to the Orwellian named "Department of Homeland Security". If they didn't have a real threat, they'd invent one, which is how landscapers and cleaning ladies suddenly became this horrible threat to America.
It's crazy, man.
The real problem has been that most Americans don't want to do these labor intensive jobs. They want a job where they sit behind a desk and push buttons.