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Like I said, then put them on the books.Fuck that. Are you a liberal? Well then you need to know that unions have always been against illegal immigrant labor. They knew the more cheap labor flooding the market means lower wages. And companies hiring illegals instead of Americans. And you wonder why blue collar is struggling. What’s wrong with you? Google thom Hartmann’s op ed corporatists vs racists and labor left behind.
How many blue collar Americans would start a house cleaning company or landscaping company if illegals went away? How many American landscaping companies today hire illegals? Now is when you say it’s because they can’t find workers. Ok, then make the immigrants you import legal. Put them on the books. And pay them American wages and over the table. You have to apply to the government and tell them how many Mexicans you want. Or Arabs. Yes you can choose what kind of immigrants you want. Lol if I was a landscaper I wouldn’t want Indians
But you see, that was kind of the point. It used to be, INS was part of the Labor Department, and their entire criteria was how many new people do we let in to fill in labor gaps in key markets. The mistake we've made is we've moved INS over to Justice, then reorganized it as the Jackbooted ICE and sent it over to the Orwellian named "Department of Homeland Security". If they didn't have a real threat, they'd invent one, which is how landscapers and cleaning ladies suddenly became this horrible threat to America.
It's crazy, man.
The real problem has been that most Americans don't want to do these labor intensive jobs. They want a job where they sit behind a desk and push buttons.
Except they do those jobs. The whole pretense that there is a shortage makes you a liar.
Not really. If you get a white person in a job like that, trust me, they can't wait to get the fuck out of it. I've done their resumes! The first thing they ask is, "How can I get a job where I don't have to deal ith old people!"
/——/ Rather than an endless debate where you will just call me a liar no matter what I post, drive over to Home Depot and pull up to the group of day laborers and say you need to hire 10 but you pay off the books. See how many try to climb in your car./——-/ Yes. My contractor and landscaper./—-/ Working for cash off the books, for starters.Illegals don't "pay into the system". Hello?
How can you not know that undocumented immigrants pay into the system?
Easy. You don't want to know.
Oh yeah? Let me guess. You've witnesses this with your own eyes. Right?
It is your duty to report them. Why haven't you done that? Why do you support undocumented immigrants?
But since you are lying about it, don't worry.
Man. Why do nutbags think everyone is a gullible idiot.
/——-/ I guess Obozo was lying about illegals working off the books too./——-/ Yes. My contractor and landscaper./—-/ Working for cash off the books, for starters.Illegals don't "pay into the system". Hello?
How can you not know that undocumented immigrants pay into the system?
Easy. You don't want to know.
Oh yeah? Let me guess. You've witnesses this with your own eyes. Right?
It is your duty to report them. Why haven't you done that? Why do you support undocumented immigrants?
But since you are lying about it, don't worry.
Man. Why do nutbags think everyone is a gullible idiot.
/——/ Rather than an endless debate where you will just call me a liar no matter what I post, drive over to Home Depot and pull up to the group of day laborers and say you need to hire 10 but you pay off the books. See how many try to climb in your car./——-/ Yes. My contractor and landscaper./—-/ Working for cash off the books, for starters.How can you not know that undocumented immigrants pay into the system?
Easy. You don't want to know.
Oh yeah? Let me guess. You've witnesses this with your own eyes. Right?
It is your duty to report them. Why haven't you done that? Why do you support undocumented immigrants?
But since you are lying about it, don't worry.
Man. Why do nutbags think everyone is a gullible idiot.
Doesn’t mean it’s right. It’d be more positive if we didn’t have illegals here. The best thing about them is they are cheap and good. Not worth it. This was the argument republicans were making in the 2000s. Jobs Americans won’t do. We need them. Meanwhile it’s one reason the middle class is disappearing. Is it true blue collar sucks? That’s what I’m hearing.Why doesn't the OP know that undocumented immigrants represent a net positive for the US economy?
Soundbites. I came through with the stats.
No you didn't. You made some claims. But failed miserably.
No, you have made claims and provided nothing. Actually not even claims, you have spouted the soundbites of your Overlords, that's it. You have linked nothing, no support, nothing.
Sweet, sweet Sue.
You've ignored the facts. I know for a fact that you've been in threads where the facts were posted. You refused to learn.
The impact that undocumented immigrants have on our economy is positive. We'd lose money if they all suddenly left or were deported. These are facts.
what excuses will president tinkles come up with?
Making President Trump’s Bed: A Housekeeper Without Papers
At the president’s New Jersey golf course, an undocumented immigrant has worked as a maid since 2013. She said she never imagined she “would see such important people close up.”
By Miriam Jordan
Dec. 6, 2018
BEDMINSTER, N.J. — During more than five years as a housekeeper at the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J., Victorina Morales has made Donald J. Trump’s bed, cleaned his toilet and dusted his crystal golf trophies. When he visited as president, she was directed to wear a pin in the shape of the American flag adorned with a Secret Service logo.
Because of the “outstanding” support she has provided during Mr. Trump’s visits, Ms. Morales in July was given a certificate from the White House Communications Agency inscribed with her name.
Quite an achievement for an undocumented immigrant housekeeper.
[...]
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/06/us/t ... rkers.html
Trump business empire shuns E-Verify, hires illegal immigrants
By Stephen Dinan and S.A. Miller - The Washington Times - Thursday, December 6, 2018
Just five of the 565 companies in President Trump’s business empire are signed up to use E-Verify, the government’s best tool to weed illegal immigrants out of the workforce, according to a Washington Times analysis that suggests the president could personally be doing more on that front.
Mr. Trump’s golf courses in Charlotte, Los Angeles and Miami, his hotel in Washington, D.C., and a hotel he operated in New York are signed up.
But his marquee Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida is not signed up, nor are his golf courses in Virginia, Philadelphia or Bedminster, New Jersey — where, The New York Times reported Thursday, some illegal immigrants have been working for years.
[...]
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... hiring-il/
Lawyer says he gave investigators documents for undocumented immigrants who claim they were employed at Trump golf course
By Justin Wise - 12/30/18 08:05 AM EST
[...]
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing ... o-docs-for
We had to put my mom in an Alzheimer’s home. Either $12k or $22k a month if you didn’t have Medicare. We paid 1 month and were hoping my mom would get Medicare in a month before they took any more of my dads money. A lawyer said he could get her on Medicare. My dad and I didn’t believe Medicare would kick in until my dad was broke. Luckily she didn’t last more than one month so we didn’t have to find out.Last night we visited an elderly family member at a care home. I was pleased to see that the care staff seems competent and friendly. My family member reports she is being well cared for, the food is good, and she gets good rest.
This is no less than she deserves, having paid into "the system" for years and years. (We can debate another day whether we need 'a system' at all). As she was reporting that Medicaid would give her a ride to her doctor appointments, I thought of the money all her care was costing. Again, she deserves this care. We owe it to our elderly citizens who have paid in and raised our young ones.
And then I thought of the thousands of people stealing over the border every year, taking money out of the system without ever having put a darn thing in. And they people who support this. Who say it's immoral NOT to support this.
It seems to me, if you support this, you are supporting taking money away from American citizens who really need it. Resources are finite. Money runs out. If you raise taxes, the economy slows and the funds dry up.
Given the scenario above, it seems incomprehensible to me that Americans do not want to seal the border. Can anyone make the case?
So that’s what it costs if you don’t have government healthcare. Could you afford it?
And the place was a dump and understaffed. Most of these homes are horrible. You maybe went on visiting day. Lol
Anyways, get this. There were these old Arab women in these homes on Medicaid. They came over with their party store owner kids and never paid in but here we are paying for gramma
It’s true a factory job paying $15 hr doesn’t sound attractive but what if it paid $22 hr? Corporations will have to pay more./—-/ You’re generalizing. Explain how trade jobs are filled by Americans, like construction, auto mechanics, plumbing and so forth if they don’t want to do manual labor.Fuck that. Are you a liberal? Well then you need to know that unions have always been against illegal immigrant labor. They knew the more cheap labor flooding the market means lower wages. And companies hiring illegals instead of Americans. And you wonder why blue collar is struggling. What’s wrong with you? Google thom Hartmann’s op ed corporatists vs racists and labor left behind.
How many blue collar Americans would start a house cleaning company or landscaping company if illegals went away? How many American landscaping companies today hire illegals? Now is when you say it’s because they can’t find workers. Ok, then make the immigrants you import legal. Put them on the books. And pay them American wages and over the table. You have to apply to the government and tell them how many Mexicans you want. Or Arabs. Yes you can choose what kind of immigrants you want. Lol if I was a landscaper I wouldn’t want Indians
But you see, that was kind of the point. It used to be, INS was part of the Labor Department, and their entire criteria was how many new people do we let in to fill in labor gaps in key markets. The mistake we've made is we've moved INS over to Justice, then reorganized it as the Jackbooted ICE and sent it over to the Orwellian named "Department of Homeland Security". If they didn't have a real threat, they'd invent one, which is how landscapers and cleaning ladies suddenly became this horrible threat to America.
It's crazy, man.
The real problem has been that most Americans don't want to do these labor intensive jobs. They want a job where they sit behind a desk and push buttons.
Why doesn't the OP know that undocumented immigrants represent a net positive for the US economy?
Soundbites. I came through with the stats.
No you didn't. You made some claims. But failed miserably.
No, you have made claims and provided nothing. Actually not even claims, you have spouted the soundbites of your Overlords, that's it. You have linked nothing, no support, nothing.
Sweet, sweet Sue.
You've ignored the facts. I know for a fact that you've been in threads where the facts were posted. You refused to learn.
The impact that undocumented immigrants have on our economy is positive. We'd lose money if they all suddenly left or were deported. These are facts.
what excuses will president tinkles come up with?
Making President Trump’s Bed: A Housekeeper Without Papers
At the president’s New Jersey golf course, an undocumented immigrant has worked as a maid since 2013. She said she never imagined she “would see such important people close up.”
By Miriam Jordan
Dec. 6, 2018
BEDMINSTER, N.J. — During more than five years as a housekeeper at the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J., Victorina Morales has made Donald J. Trump’s bed, cleaned his toilet and dusted his crystal golf trophies. When he visited as president, she was directed to wear a pin in the shape of the American flag adorned with a Secret Service logo.
Because of the “outstanding” support she has provided during Mr. Trump’s visits, Ms. Morales in July was given a certificate from the White House Communications Agency inscribed with her name.
Quite an achievement for an undocumented immigrant housekeeper.
[...]
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/06/us/t ... rkers.html
Trump business empire shuns E-Verify, hires illegal immigrants
By Stephen Dinan and S.A. Miller - The Washington Times - Thursday, December 6, 2018
Just five of the 565 companies in President Trump’s business empire are signed up to use E-Verify, the government’s best tool to weed illegal immigrants out of the workforce, according to a Washington Times analysis that suggests the president could personally be doing more on that front.
Mr. Trump’s golf courses in Charlotte, Los Angeles and Miami, his hotel in Washington, D.C., and a hotel he operated in New York are signed up.
But his marquee Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida is not signed up, nor are his golf courses in Virginia, Philadelphia or Bedminster, New Jersey — where, The New York Times reported Thursday, some illegal immigrants have been working for years.
[...]
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... hiring-il/
Lawyer says he gave investigators documents for undocumented immigrants who claim they were employed at Trump golf course
By Justin Wise - 12/30/18 08:05 AM EST
[...]
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing ... o-docs-for
Oh, about the same as Gutierrez and now Chuy Garcia have come up with. Where they pretend to give a damn about people but are really concerned for businesses.
You would think after so much time that people would kind of figure out that none of these folks give a damn.
There are lots and lots of Arab immigrants in metro Detroit milking the system. They are masters of the system.We had to put my mom in an Alzheimer’s home. Either $12k or $22k a month if you didn’t have Medicare. We paid 1 month and were hoping my mom would get Medicare in a month before they took any more of my dads money. A lawyer said he could get her on Medicare. My dad and I didn’t believe Medicare would kick in until my dad was broke. Luckily she didn’t last more than one month so we didn’t have to find out.Last night we visited an elderly family member at a care home. I was pleased to see that the care staff seems competent and friendly. My family member reports she is being well cared for, the food is good, and she gets good rest.
This is no less than she deserves, having paid into "the system" for years and years. (We can debate another day whether we need 'a system' at all). As she was reporting that Medicaid would give her a ride to her doctor appointments, I thought of the money all her care was costing. Again, she deserves this care. We owe it to our elderly citizens who have paid in and raised our young ones.
And then I thought of the thousands of people stealing over the border every year, taking money out of the system without ever having put a darn thing in. And they people who support this. Who say it's immoral NOT to support this.
It seems to me, if you support this, you are supporting taking money away from American citizens who really need it. Resources are finite. Money runs out. If you raise taxes, the economy slows and the funds dry up.
Given the scenario above, it seems incomprehensible to me that Americans do not want to seal the border. Can anyone make the case?
So that’s what it costs if you don’t have government healthcare. Could you afford it?
And the place was a dump and understaffed. Most of these homes are horrible. You maybe went on visiting day. Lol
Anyways, get this. There were these old Arab women in these homes on Medicaid. They came over with their party store owner kids and never paid in but here we are paying for gramma
There are no "visiting days"....we have dropped in twice, at different hours.
Interesting comment about "Arab women with party store owner kids". Hey Joe and company, this dude is a liberal. Comment on.
Doesn’t mean it’s right. It’d be more positive if we didn’t have illegals here. The best thing about them is they are cheap and good. Not worth it. This was the argument republicans were making in the 2000s. Jobs Americans won’t do. We need them. Meanwhile it’s one reason the middle class is disappearing. Is it true blue collar sucks? That’s what I’m hearing.Why doesn't the OP know that undocumented immigrants represent a net positive for the US economy?
Soundbites. I came through with the stats.
No you didn't. You made some claims. But failed miserably.
No, you have made claims and provided nothing. Actually not even claims, you have spouted the soundbites of your Overlords, that's it. You have linked nothing, no support, nothing.
Sweet, sweet Sue.
You've ignored the facts. I know for a fact that you've been in threads where the facts were posted. You refused to learn.
The impact that undocumented immigrants have on our economy is positive. We'd lose money if they all suddenly left or were deported. These are facts.
It’s like robbing a bank and then blaming the cops for the hostages that get killed when they try to take back the bank. It might be hard transitioning back to the time we did not hire illegals but so are trumps tariffs taking time to adjust. Some businesses will be affected but the economy won’t come crashing to a hault.
Illegals should do another national don’t go to work day so we can know who’s left.
/—-/ You’re generalizing. Explain how trade jobs are filled by Americans, like construction, auto mechanics, plumbing and so forth if they don’t want to do manual labor.Fuck that. Are you a liberal? Well then you need to know that unions have always been against illegal immigrant labor. They knew the more cheap labor flooding the market means lower wages. And companies hiring illegals instead of Americans. And you wonder why blue collar is struggling. What’s wrong with you? Google thom Hartmann’s op ed corporatists vs racists and labor left behind.
How many blue collar Americans would start a house cleaning company or landscaping company if illegals went away? How many American landscaping companies today hire illegals? Now is when you say it’s because they can’t find workers. Ok, then make the immigrants you import legal. Put them on the books. And pay them American wages and over the table. You have to apply to the government and tell them how many Mexicans you want. Or Arabs. Yes you can choose what kind of immigrants you want. Lol if I was a landscaper I wouldn’t want Indians
But you see, that was kind of the point. It used to be, INS was part of the Labor Department, and their entire criteria was how many new people do we let in to fill in labor gaps in key markets. The mistake we've made is we've moved INS over to Justice, then reorganized it as the Jackbooted ICE and sent it over to the Orwellian named "Department of Homeland Security". If they didn't have a real threat, they'd invent one, which is how landscapers and cleaning ladies suddenly became this horrible threat to America.
It's crazy, man.
The real problem has been that most Americans don't want to do these labor intensive jobs. They want a job where they sit behind a desk and push buttons.
what excuses will president tinkles come up with?
Making President Trump’s Bed: A Housekeeper Without Papers
At the president’s New Jersey golf course, an undocumented immigrant has worked as a maid since 2013. She said she never imagined she “would see such important people close up.”
By Miriam Jordan
Dec. 6, 2018
BEDMINSTER, N.J. — During more than five years as a housekeeper at the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J., Victorina Morales has made Donald J. Trump’s bed, cleaned his toilet and dusted his crystal golf trophies. When he visited as president, she was directed to wear a pin in the shape of the American flag adorned with a Secret Service logo.
Because of the “outstanding” support she has provided during Mr. Trump’s visits, Ms. Morales in July was given a certificate from the White House Communications Agency inscribed with her name.
Quite an achievement for an undocumented immigrant housekeeper.
[...]
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/06/us/t ... rkers.html
Trump business empire shuns E-Verify, hires illegal immigrants
By Stephen Dinan and S.A. Miller - The Washington Times - Thursday, December 6, 2018
Just five of the 565 companies in President Trump’s business empire are signed up to use E-Verify, the government’s best tool to weed illegal immigrants out of the workforce, according to a Washington Times analysis that suggests the president could personally be doing more on that front.
Mr. Trump’s golf courses in Charlotte, Los Angeles and Miami, his hotel in Washington, D.C., and a hotel he operated in New York are signed up.
But his marquee Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida is not signed up, nor are his golf courses in Virginia, Philadelphia or Bedminster, New Jersey — where, The New York Times reported Thursday, some illegal immigrants have been working for years.
[...]
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... hiring-il/
Lawyer says he gave investigators documents for undocumented immigrants who claim they were employed at Trump golf course
By Justin Wise - 12/30/18 08:05 AM EST
[...]
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing ... o-docs-for
Oh, about the same as Gutierrez and now Chuy Garcia have come up with. Where they pretend to give a damn about people but are really concerned for businesses.
You would think after so much time that people would kind of figure out that none of these folks give a damn.
^^^ 'You would think after so much time that people would kind of figure out that none of these folks give a damn'
then why haven't you figured out that trump is feeding you red meat just to keep you faithful?
And we write off the costs when they go to the hospital with no insuranceWhy doesn't the OP know that undocumented immigrants represent a net positive for the US economy?
Soundbites. I came through with the stats.
No you didn't. You made some claims. But failed miserably.
No, you have made claims and provided nothing. Actually not even claims, you have spouted the soundbites of your Overlords, that's it. You have linked nothing, no support, nothing.
Sweet, sweet Sue.
You've ignored the facts. I know for a fact that you've been in threads where the facts were posted. You refused to learn.
The impact that undocumented immigrants have on our economy is positive. We'd lose money if they all suddenly left or were deported. These are facts.
This is absolutely untrue just in the money we pay to educate their children.
Why doesn't the OP know that undocumented immigrants represent a net positive for the US economy?
Soundbites. I came through with the stats.
No you didn't. You made some claims. But failed miserably.
No, you have made claims and provided nothing. Actually not even claims, you have spouted the soundbites of your Overlords, that's it. You have linked nothing, no support, nothing.
Sweet, sweet Sue.
You've ignored the facts. I know for a fact that you've been in threads where the facts were posted. You refused to learn.
The impact that undocumented immigrants have on our economy is positive. We'd lose money if they all suddenly left or were deported. These are facts.
This is absolutely untrue just in the money we pay to educate their children.
And we write off the costs when they go to the hospital with no insuranceSoundbites. I came through with the stats.
No you didn't. You made some claims. But failed miserably.
No, you have made claims and provided nothing. Actually not even claims, you have spouted the soundbites of your Overlords, that's it. You have linked nothing, no support, nothing.
Sweet, sweet Sue.
You've ignored the facts. I know for a fact that you've been in threads where the facts were posted. You refused to learn.
The impact that undocumented immigrants have on our economy is positive. We'd lose money if they all suddenly left or were deported. These are facts.
This is absolutely untrue just in the money we pay to educate their children.
True. The corporatists will just import more legal immigrants to keep labor costs down./—-/ You’re generalizing. Explain how trade jobs are filled by Americans, like construction, auto mechanics, plumbing and so forth if they don’t want to do manual labor.Fuck that. Are you a liberal? Well then you need to know that unions have always been against illegal immigrant labor. They knew the more cheap labor flooding the market means lower wages. And companies hiring illegals instead of Americans. And you wonder why blue collar is struggling. What’s wrong with you? Google thom Hartmann’s op ed corporatists vs racists and labor left behind.
How many blue collar Americans would start a house cleaning company or landscaping company if illegals went away? How many American landscaping companies today hire illegals? Now is when you say it’s because they can’t find workers. Ok, then make the immigrants you import legal. Put them on the books. And pay them American wages and over the table. You have to apply to the government and tell them how many Mexicans you want. Or Arabs. Yes you can choose what kind of immigrants you want. Lol if I was a landscaper I wouldn’t want Indians
But you see, that was kind of the point. It used to be, INS was part of the Labor Department, and their entire criteria was how many new people do we let in to fill in labor gaps in key markets. The mistake we've made is we've moved INS over to Justice, then reorganized it as the Jackbooted ICE and sent it over to the Orwellian named "Department of Homeland Security". If they didn't have a real threat, they'd invent one, which is how landscapers and cleaning ladies suddenly became this horrible threat to America.
It's crazy, man.
The real problem has been that most Americans don't want to do these labor intensive jobs. They want a job where they sit behind a desk and push buttons.
I'd be happy to, been in the trades 40 yrs....
we're flooded with 'legal aliens' stealing our work , not 'illegal aliens' , we see ICE a lot too, they can't do a d*mn thing
and no, were not 'too lazy to do the job' , that's a tired old canard foisted upon the public ,while the same folks solicit cheap 'legal aliens' to undercut American workers
get that? >>>>LEGAL ALIEN<<<<<
One is a fool to believe any wall is going to fix that, not sorry....
~S~
There are lots and lots of Arab immigrants in metro Detroit milking the system. They are masters of the system.We had to put my mom in an Alzheimer’s home. Either $12k or $22k a month if you didn’t have Medicare. We paid 1 month and were hoping my mom would get Medicare in a month before they took any more of my dads money. A lawyer said he could get her on Medicare. My dad and I didn’t believe Medicare would kick in until my dad was broke. Luckily she didn’t last more than one month so we didn’t have to find out.Last night we visited an elderly family member at a care home. I was pleased to see that the care staff seems competent and friendly. My family member reports she is being well cared for, the food is good, and she gets good rest.
This is no less than she deserves, having paid into "the system" for years and years. (We can debate another day whether we need 'a system' at all). As she was reporting that Medicaid would give her a ride to her doctor appointments, I thought of the money all her care was costing. Again, she deserves this care. We owe it to our elderly citizens who have paid in and raised our young ones.
And then I thought of the thousands of people stealing over the border every year, taking money out of the system without ever having put a darn thing in. And they people who support this. Who say it's immoral NOT to support this.
It seems to me, if you support this, you are supporting taking money away from American citizens who really need it. Resources are finite. Money runs out. If you raise taxes, the economy slows and the funds dry up.
Given the scenario above, it seems incomprehensible to me that Americans do not want to seal the border. Can anyone make the case?
So that’s what it costs if you don’t have government healthcare. Could you afford it?
And the place was a dump and understaffed. Most of these homes are horrible. You maybe went on visiting day. Lol
Anyways, get this. There were these old Arab women in these homes on Medicaid. They came over with their party store owner kids and never paid in but here we are paying for gramma
There are no "visiting days"....we have dropped in twice, at different hours.
Interesting comment about "Arab women with party store owner kids". Hey Joe and company, this dude is a liberal. Comment on.
