Active shooter reported at Texas elementary school

[Paul Essien]

JoeB131
Wow, you must have some serious inferiority complex to need to find strength in being part of a group.

You're projecting. It's you who feels inferior to black men.

 

[2aguy]

You can only lower the standards so much.

Chicago PD Lowers Hiring Standards to Fill its Ranks - The Crime Report

The goal was to open the pool of applicants to people who have work experience but were not able to attend college to obtain the 60 credit hours required for the job.

thecrimereport.org

In an effort to tackle staffing shortages, the Chicago Police Department is lowering hiring standards for new recruits by dropping the college credit requirement for some candidates who have two years of military or peace officer experience, or three years in corrections, social services, health care, trades, or education, reports CNN. At least two other big-city police departments, in Philadelphia and New Orleans, have made similar moves in recent years and New York City Mayor Eric Adams applauded Chicago’s recruitment practices, and hinted at plans to duplicate them, after a trip to the city to meet with Mayor Lori Lightfoot.

That is the goal of the defund the police movement....drive out normal people from the ranks, then restock the police with democrat thugs, who will put obeying the party leadership over enforcing the law and protecting citizens.....

 

[JoeB131]

That is the goal of the defund the police movement....drive out normal people from the ranks, then restock the police with democrat thugs, who will put obeying the party leadership over enforcing the law and protecting citizens.....

YOu and Racist Paul need to exchange conspiracy theories some time.

Here's the thing, the old boy network in the CPD isn't working... they do need to attract a better class of cop, but you don't get there by lowering standards, you raise them and offer more money.

 

[2aguy]

YOu and Racist Paul need to exchange conspiracy theories some time.

Here's the thing, the old boy network in the CPD isn't working... they do need to attract a better class of cop, but you don't get there by lowering standards, you raise them and offer more money.

The democrat party controls the CPD from top to bottom....the police commissioner, the mayor, the States Attorney are all black, you doofus...have been for a long time....and the democrats have controlled that city since 1931.....

You don't get real cops by lowering standards, but you do get politically loyal cops by lowering standards....that is how they intend to work the police now...democrats first, cops second...

 

[beagle9]

You’re arguing that teachers can do the job better than police. No, I don’t think so.

Depends on the training, so is it your position that teacher's have only one skill set in life ? Best not go tell that to the teacher's (women and men), fighting the Russians in Ukraine then.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Depends on the training, so is it your position that teacher's have only one skill set in life ? Best not go tell that to the teacher's (women and men), fighting the Russians in Ukraine then.

It’s my position that teachers aren’t as good as police at handling police duties.

 

[lg325]

Texas man wanting to go ‘human hunting' arrested On related news looks like a citizen who saw something said something and maybe saved lives.

 

[Briss]

You’re arguing that teachers can do the job better than police. No, I don’t think so.

Yes, we've all seen the police solution. You think the cops will get the drop on the shooter before the teacher can. No, I don't think so.

 

[JoeB131]

The democrat party controls the CPD from top to bottom....the police commissioner, the mayor, the States Attorney are all black, you doofus...have been for a long time....and the democrats have controlled that city since 1931.....

You don't get real cops by lowering standards, but you do get politically loyal cops by lowering standards....that is how they intend to work the police now...democrats first, cops second...

So what? when the FOP makes it damned well near impossible to fire a bad cop, no matter how many civil rights violations he racks up, it really doesn't matter who the Superintendent (Chicago doesn't have a commissioner) or Mayor is.

Actually, the standard lowering is that if you don't have 60 Hours of college, you can make up for it with military service, service with another Police Department or Correctional officer experience. That actually sounds... kind of reasonable

 

[beagle9]

It’s my position that teachers aren’t as good as police at handling police duties.

My post still stands.

 

[XponentialChaos]

My post still stands.

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

 

[2aguy]

It’s my position that teachers aren’t as good as police at handling police duties.

They aren't handling police duties....they are a last line of defense, and a very effective deterrent by the mere possibility that they will be armed.

These killers target gun free zones.... when a school states that they have some armed teachers and support staff, a potential killer will not know who or where the armed staff members are....and they will avoid the school.....and if a killer does target the school, there will be armed people at the scene long before the police arrive and will be in the building if the police do nothing..

A woman in West Virginia, not a police officer, not a Navy SEAL, stopped a mass public shooter who was armed with an AR-15 rifle.........shot and killed him with her concealed carry pistol.....so yes, armed citizens and even teachers can and do stop mass public shooters.........

The attacker was, of course, a career criminal who shouldn't have had the rifle, but was able to get it anyway....cause he was a criminal...

A US woman has fatally shot a man who opened fire on a crowd of people with a semi-automatic rifle in Charleston, West Virginia.

Dennis Butler, a 37-year-old with an extensive criminal history, was killed after he targeted a group of around 40 people attending a birthday party.
Police spokesman Tony Hazelett said the woman’s quick reaction saved lives and may have prevented a mass shooting.
It comes amid a national debate over guns after a school shooting in Texas.
Butler had driven by the area earlier on Wednesday evening when he was warned to slow down because children were playing.
He returned armed with an AR-15-type rifle and opened fire from his vehicle on the birthday-graduation party outside the apartment complex in the city.
Mr Hazelett told a news conference that the woman who fired back did not have any law enforcement background. She has not been identified.
“She’s just a member of the community who was carrying her weapon lawfully,” he said. “And instead of running from the threat she engaged with the threat and saved several lives.”
The woman remained at the scene after the shooting, and is co-operating with investigators.

Armed Woman Stops Career Criminal Shooting at a Birthday Party

A woman with a pistol stopped a mass murder just as it was getting started in Charleston, West Virginia.

www.ammoland.com

The most important part of training and arming staff...which 14 states already do......is they are a deterrent to an attack......killers choose gun free zones.....and arming staff ends the gun free zone of the school...

 

[JoeB131]

They aren't handling police duties....they are a last line of defense, and a very effective deterrent by the mere possibility that they will be armed.

These killers target gun free zones.... when a school states that they have some armed teachers and support staff, a potential killer will not know who or where the armed staff members are....and they will avoid the school.....and if a killer does target the school, there will be armed people at the scene long before the police arrive and will be in the building if the police do nothing..

Most mass shooters don't care if they get killed or not... so a few staff with guns they don't know how to use doesn't mean much.

 

[2aguy]

Most mass shooters don't care if they get killed or not... so a few staff with guns they don't know how to use doesn't mean much.

Wrong...you do not know what you are talking about....

They don't want a gun fight, they want to murder people without being stopped......so when they encounter someone who has a gun they surrender, kill themselves, or run away....

Most of them plan their attacks 6 months to two years in advance, and in case after case, they commit suicide, runaway or surrender when they are confronted...and the sooner you confront them with a gun, the sooner they stop shooting innocent people and go to one of those 3 options...

You don't know what you are talking about.....

 

[JoeB131]

Wrong...you do not know what you are talking about....

They don't want a gun fight, they want to murder people without being stopped......so when they encounter someone who has a gun they surrender, kill themselves, or run away....

Most of them plan their attacks 6 months to two years in advance, and in case after case, they commit suicide, runaway or surrender when they are confronted...and the sooner you confront them with a gun, the sooner they stop shooting innocent people and go to one of those 3 options...

You don't know what you are talking about.....

We have 600 mass shootings a year... clearly they aren't intimidated.

 

[basquebromance]

The United States is a nation and society founded on personal freedom. Another way to say that is that we are a culture founded on risk

 

[XponentialChaos]

They aren't handling police duties....they are a last line of defense, and a very effective deterrent by the mere possibility that they will be armed.

They would be handling police duties of taking down an active shooter. We can’t even get the police to do that effectively.

Additionally, Texas already allows teachers to be armed. Didn’t stop this incident.

 

[Briss]

We have 600 mass shootings a year... clearly they aren't intimidated.

List them! I want to go over them with you.

 

[2aguy]

They would be handling police duties of taking down an active shooter. We can’t even get the police to do that effectively.

Additionally, Texas already allows teachers to be armed. Didn’t stop this incident.

They would only do that as a last resort, like when the police wait an hour and a half to enter the building....

Meanwhile, in West Virginia....a woman with a concealed carry gun, a pistol, stopped a mass public shooter armed with an AR-15.....a career criminal...

She wasn't a Navy SEAL, a cop or SWAT,.........

Were there armed teachers at that school?

You should really find that out before you post about it...

 

[2aguy]

We have 600 mass shootings a year... clearly they aren't intimidated.

No, we don't.....

Moderators......just responding to his post...

US mass shootings, 1982–2022: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed. We adopted that baseline for fatalities when we gathered data in 2012 on three decades worth of cases.
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• Here is a description of the criteria we use:
  
  
  • The perpetrator took the lives of at least four people. A 2008 FBI report identifies an individual as a mass murderer—versus a spree killer or a serial killer—if he kills four or more people in a single incident (not including himself), typically in a single location. (*In 2013, the US government’s fatality baseline was revised down to three; our database reflects this change beginning from Jan. 2013, as detailed above.)
  • The killings were carried out by a lone shooter. (Except in the case of the Columbine massacre and the Westside Middle School killings, which involved two shooters.)
  • The shootings occurred in a public place. (Except in the case of a party on private property in Crandon, Wisconsin, and another in Seattle, where crowds of strangers had gathered, essentially constituting a public crowd.) Crimes primarily related to gang activity or armed robbery are not included, nor are mass killings that took place in private homes (often stemming from domestic violence).
  • Perpetrators who died or were wounded during the attack are not included in the victim tallies.
  • We included a handful of cases also known as “spree killings“—cases in which the killings occurred in more than one location, but still over a short period of time, that otherwise fit the above criteria.
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Our research focused on indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker. We exclude shootings stemming from more conventionally motivated crimes such as armed robbery or gang violence. (Or in which the perpetrators have not been identified.) Other news outlets and researchers have since published larger tallies that include a wide range of gun crimes in which four or more people have been either wounded or killed. While those larger datasets of multiple-victim shootings are useful for studying the broader problem of gun violence, our investigation provides an in-depth look at a distinct phenomenon—from the firearms used and mental health factors to the growing copycat problem. Tracking mass shootings is complex; we believe ours is the most useful approach for studying this specific phenomenon.



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The actual number of mass shootings from Mother Jones......

Here you go...the number of mass public shootings according to Mother Jones...rabid, anti gun, left wing news source.....not the NRA...

The list below comes from the old definition of 4 killed to make a shooting a mass shooting...if you now go to the link there are more than listed below...but that is because Mother Jones changed the list from the time I first posted it...and changed to obama's new standard of only 3 dead to make a mass shooting...

It goes back to 1981






US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

2021...6
2020....2

2019....10

2018... 12

2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)