Ah, what a difference a year makes

[rightwinger]

Congress will ultimately have a say when a deal is reached

Trying to sabotage any chance of a deal is irresponsible by Republicans

And the seven times Democrats did it wasn't? Earth to you pal.

Show me the seven times 47 Democrats did it

 

[JoeB131]

Any deal with Iran that includes Iran getting nukes at any point in time should be foiled. Good for the Republicans for growing somewhat of a spine on this.

Except that doesn't stop the Iranians from getting nukes.

Okay, here's the real problem. Most of the world doesn't care if Iran has nukes or not. they've gone along with us for this long on sanctions against Iran, but frankly, they would really like to start doing business with Iran again.

So if the Republicans somehow foil Obama's negotiations, the Chinese and Russians and PROBABLY the Europeans will just start trading with Iran on their own.

 

[occupied]

This is John Kerry in April of 2014 saying that "Congress will have a say" in nuclear deal with Iran. My, what a difference a year makes.



Why has that all of a sudden changed Mr. Secretary? Funny how all of a sudden Congress no longer matters, and with them the law you so highly touted.

And then politicians wonder why they're not trusted.

.

You trust those assholes who stabbed our president in the back.

Which assholes?

.

The ones who wrote that letter, who else? If we had a republican president who was even now beating the war drum and making the case for a bombing campaign and invasion of Iran you would eat it up like yummy candy. You would trust them like you did when GWB was making the case for the invasion of Iraq.

 

[Mac1958]

This is John Kerry in April of 2014 saying that "Congress will have a say" in nuclear deal with Iran. My, what a difference a year makes.



Why has that all of a sudden changed Mr. Secretary? Funny how all of a sudden Congress no longer matters, and with them the law you so highly touted.

And then politicians wonder why they're not trusted.

.

You trust those assholes who stabbed our president in the back.

Which assholes?

.

The ones who wrote that letter, who else? If we had a republican president who was even now beating the war drum and making the case for a bombing campaign and invasion of Iran you would eat it up like yummy candy. You would trust them like you did when GWB was making the case for the invasion of Iraq.

Oh, like in Post 401 here: Republican Senators send a letter to Iran. Wow. Damn Page 41 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum where I said "the Bibi speech was borderline, but this letter is WAY the fuck over the line"?

Hmm?

That's okay, I won't expect an apology.

.

 

[Wildman]

...who stabbed our president in the back.

ooooh, lord how i wish several of you would do it.., et tu Brutus come to mind ?? your work is cut out for you all, now get busy

 

[B. Kidd]

Magic 8-ball sez if any deal is reached it's going to be a fucked up deal, so what I don't get, is how a fucked up deal gets fucked up by some Repubs sending a letter to Tehran.

 

[healthmyths]

Congress will ultimately have a say when a deal is reached

Trying to sabotage any chance of a deal is irresponsible by Republicans

You got to be kidding. "Any chance of a deal"???

You want Iran to have nuclear weaponry because here is what Obama has conceded to already!!!

Please read a little more. Spend a little more time thinking because what the GOP did was trying to delay the following from happening:

The concessions already acknowledged by U.S. officials include:
• There will be no limits on Iran’s ballistic-missile force, the presumed delivery means for its nuclear weapons.
The U.S. position of seeking limits on the missile force was abandoned when the Supreme Leader objected.

• There will be no resolution of Iran’s weaponization activities — described as “very alarming” by the Obama White House in November 2011 — before an agreement is reached. Iran is likely to promise once again to cooperate with the International Atomic Energy Agency in its investigation, but no serious observer would expect anything other than continued obstructionism by Iran.
At one point, a resolution of weaponization activities was a precondition for an agreement. Now it is being treated as an implementation issue.

• Verification will likely be based primarily on Iran’s current safeguards agreement and a promise to implement the Additional Protocol — a promise Iran first made over a decade ago.
Even if the Additional Protocol is observed, inspections will be by “managed access” based on Iran’s cooperation and good will. At one point, the U.S. insisted that effective verification required full access to facilities and people. Now, the U.S. and its P5+1 negotiating partners have settled for far less. There will be no unfettered inspections of suspected covert facilities such as the Lavizan-3 site revealed by the National Council of Resistance of Iran on Tuesday.

• The Arak heavy-water reactor will likely be modified in some fashion but not in any fundamental way that would prevent Iran from using it to produce plutonium for weapons.
The initial U.S. position was that the reactor must be dismantled.
• The economic sanctions that were disrupting the Iranian economy will be lifted in a shorter period than the restrictions on the country’s nuclear program.
In fact, Tehran has already received billions of dollars of sanctions relief for continuing the negotiations and observing several easily reversible constraints.

• The restrictions on Iran’s nuclear program will reportedly be phased out after ten years, a period shorter than the time it has taken to negotiate the agreement. The original U.S. position was that restrictions would be permanent.

• And most important, Iran will be allowed to operate thousands of centrifuges to enrich uranium and to pursue research and development of more advanced models that are many times more efficient.
The original U.S. position — backed by multiple United Nations Security Council resolutions demanding complete suspension of all enrichment activities — was “zero enrichment” and “zero centrifuges.”
Under President Obama, zero was abandoned as “unrealistic,” and the number of permitted centrifuges moved up in successive proposals from 1,000 to 4,500 to 6,000, and perhaps more. Iran has rejected each offer as insufficient, only to be rewarded with a better one.

Source:
National Review

 

[Wildman]

Democrats did it

do you recall the time one of your top demoncrats did worse ?? let me remind you fucking liberscum...



Kennedy’s message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election. “The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations,” the memorandum stated. “These issues, according to the senator, will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign.”

Kennedy made Andropov a couple of specific offers.


First he offered to visit Moscow. “The main purpose of the meeting, according to the senator, would be to arm Soviet officials with explanations regarding problems of nuclear disarmament so they may be better prepared and more convincing during appearances in the USA.” Kennedy would help the Soviets deal with Reagan by telling them how to brush up their propaganda.

Then he offered to make it possible for Andropov to sit down for a few interviews on American television. “A direct appeal … to the American people will, without a doubt, attract a great deal of attention and interest in the country. … If the proposal is recognized as worthy, then Kennedy and his friends will bring about suitable steps to have representatives of the largest television companies in the USA contact Y.V. Andropov for an invitation to Moscow for the interviews. … The senator underlined the importance that this initiative should be seen as coming from the American side.”

While ABC, CBS, and NBC were quick to promote Democratic opposition to a GOP letter to the Iranian leadership, the same standard was not applied when a prominent Democratic Senator openly tried to work with the Soviet Union to sabotage President Reagan’s dealings with the communist regime.

- See more at: Flashback Big Three Ignored Ted Kennedy s Letter to Soviet Union

can anyone tell me of any Republican(s) who went to Tehran to undermine your commie muslime mulatto presidunce ?

i am waiting !!

 

[healthmyths]

Iran has a sizable moderate population that is dominated by religious hardliners who spoil all attempts to normalize relations with the world. Seems we have much the same problem here.

Of course. Pacifism will always win the day! How dare anyone stand up to the king!? Oh of all the impudence!

No one remembers when wars didn't happen because cool heads prevailed. I guess it's why people like you are so disdainful of diplomacy, you only pay attention when the shooting starts. The nature of modern urbanized warfare precludes the possibility of a clear victory and a winnable peace so the case cannot be made that hostilities are a path to stability and eventual peace. Diplomacy offers this path but to people like you it's boring.

You want Iran to have nuclear weaponry because here is what Obama has conceded to already!!!

Please read a little more. Spend a little more time thinking because what the GOP did was trying to delay the following from happening:

The concessions already acknowledged by U.S. officials include:
• There will be no limits on Iran’s ballistic-missile force, the presumed delivery means for its nuclear weapons.
The U.S. position of seeking limits on the missile force was abandoned when the Supreme Leader objected.

• There will be no resolution of Iran’s weaponization activities — described as “very alarming” by the Obama White House in November 2011 — before an agreement is reached. Iran is likely to promise once again to cooperate with the International Atomic Energy Agency in its investigation, but no serious observer would expect anything other than continued obstructionism by Iran.
At one point, a resolution of weaponization activities was a precondition for an agreement. Now it is being treated as an implementation issue.

• Verification will likely be based primarily on Iran’s current safeguards agreement and a promise to implement the Additional Protocol — a promise Iran first made over a decade ago.
Even if the Additional Protocol is observed, inspections will be by “managed access” based on Iran’s cooperation and good will. At one point, the U.S. insisted that effective verification required full access to facilities and people. Now, the U.S. and its P5+1 negotiating partners have settled for far less. There will be no unfettered inspections of suspected covert facilities such as the Lavizan-3 site revealed by the National Council of Resistance of Iran on Tuesday.

• The Arak heavy-water reactor will likely be modified in some fashion but not in any fundamental way that would prevent Iran from using it to produce plutonium for weapons.
The initial U.S. position was that the reactor must be dismantled.
• The economic sanctions that were disrupting the Iranian economy will be lifted in a shorter period than the restrictions on the country’s nuclear program.
In fact, Tehran has already received billions of dollars of sanctions relief for continuing the negotiations and observing several easily reversible constraints.

• The restrictions on Iran’s nuclear program will reportedly be phased out after ten years, a period shorter than the time it has taken to negotiate the agreement. The original U.S. position was that restrictions would be permanent.

• And most important, Iran will be allowed to operate thousands of centrifuges to enrich uranium and to pursue research and development of more advanced models that are many times more efficient.
The original U.S. position — backed by multiple United Nations Security Council resolutions demanding complete suspension of all enrichment activities — was “zero enrichment” and “zero centrifuges.”
Under President Obama, zero was abandoned as “unrealistic,” and the number of permitted centrifuges moved up in successive proposals from 1,000 to 4,500 to 6,000, and perhaps more. Iran has rejected each offer as insufficient, only to be rewarded with a better one.

Source:
National Review

Deal with FACTS not emotions. Your emotions are what start wars!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Q. What do you call an anti-American, Scumbag War Criminal?

A. Obama's Secretary of State

 

[healthmyths]

Any deal with Iran that includes Iran getting nukes at any point in time should be foiled. Good for the Republicans for growing somewhat of a spine on this.

Except that doesn't stop the Iranians from getting nukes.

Okay, here's the real problem. Most of the world doesn't care if Iran has nukes or not. they've gone along with us for this long on sanctions against Iran, but frankly, they would really like to start doing business with Iran again.

So if the Republicans somehow foil Obama's negotiations, the Chinese and Russians and PROBABLY the Europeans will just start trading with Iran on their own.

OK... here is what Iran will get due to Obama's concessions:
You want Iran to have nuclear weaponry because here is what Obama has conceded to already!!!

Please read a little more. Spend a little more time thinking because what the GOP did was trying to delay the following from happening:

The concessions already acknowledged by U.S. officials include:
• There will be no limits on Iran’s ballistic-missile force, the presumed delivery means for its nuclear weapons.
The U.S. position of seeking limits on the missile force was abandoned when the Supreme Leader objected.

• There will be no resolution of Iran’s weaponization activities — described as “very alarming” by the Obama White House in November 2011 — before an agreement is reached. Iran is likely to promise once again to cooperate with the International Atomic Energy Agency in its investigation, but no serious observer would expect anything other than continued obstructionism by Iran.
At one point, a resolution of weaponization activities was a precondition for an agreement. Now it is being treated as an implementation issue.

• Verification will likely be based primarily on Iran’s current safeguards agreement and a promise to implement the Additional Protocol — a promise Iran first made over a decade ago.
Even if the Additional Protocol is observed, inspections will be by “managed access” based on Iran’s cooperation and good will. At one point, the U.S. insisted that effective verification required full access to facilities and people. Now, the U.S. and its P5+1 negotiating partners have settled for far less. There will be no unfettered inspections of suspected covert facilities such as the Lavizan-3 site revealed by the National Council of Resistance of Iran on Tuesday.

• The Arak heavy-water reactor will likely be modified in some fashion but not in any fundamental way that would prevent Iran from using it to produce plutonium for weapons.
The initial U.S. position was that the reactor must be dismantled.
• The economic sanctions that were disrupting the Iranian economy will be lifted in a shorter period than the restrictions on the country’s nuclear program.
In fact, Tehran has already received billions of dollars of sanctions relief for continuing the negotiations and observing several easily reversible constraints.

• The restrictions on Iran’s nuclear program will reportedly be phased out after ten years, a period shorter than the time it has taken to negotiate the agreement. The original U.S. position was that restrictions would be permanent.

• And most important, Iran will be allowed to operate thousands of centrifuges to enrich uranium and to pursue research and development of more advanced models that are many times more efficient.
The original U.S. position — backed by multiple United Nations Security Council resolutions demanding complete suspension of all enrichment activities — was “zero enrichment” and “zero centrifuges.”
Under President Obama, zero was abandoned as “unrealistic,” and the number of permitted centrifuges moved up in successive proposals from 1,000 to 4,500 to 6,000, and perhaps more. Iran has rejected each offer as insufficient, only to be rewarded with a better one.

Source:
National Review

 

[Porker]

This is John Kerry in April of 2014 saying that "Congress will have a say" in nuclear deal with Iran. My, what a difference a year makes.



Why has that all of a sudden changed Mr. Secretary? Funny how all of a sudden Congress no longer matters, and with them the law you so highly touted.

And then politicians wonder why they're not trusted.

.

You trust those assholes who stabbed our president in the back.

YOUR president, asshole.

 

[strollingbones]

Ten Years Ago Today a Dixie Chick Dared to Hit Bush on War and a Hate Campaign Began The Nation

 

[healthmyths]

Q. What do you call an anti-American, Scumbag War Criminal?

A. Obama's Secretary of State

Exact quotes of the traitor Kerry.........
Remember Kerry EARLIER wanted Bush to: "Without a question, we need to disarm Saddam. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real .... "Kerry , Jan . 23. 2003

BUT after our troops liberated Iraq... here is what Kerry called our troops...TERRORiSTS!
Senator Kerry (D) "American soldiers going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children."
You are not that naive to think the terrorists didn't find Kerry calling OUR TROOPS terrorists absolutely EMBOLDENING???
Talk about being a traitor... telling the world our troops are terrorists!

 

[Wildman]

when GWB was making the case for the invasion of Iraq.

you mean the invasion of iraq, where nearly every lying fucking scummycrat agreed Saddam had "weapons of mass destruction" and must be contained and also were in favor of a "regime change" ??

is that the "case" you are referring to ???

you fucking lying demoliberscum sure have poor memories.

 

[strollingbones]

odd how nutzo the gop went when the entertainers made a remark about bush....and yet they do this....

i think its shameful

 

[Politico]

This is John Kerry in April of 2014 saying that "Congress will have a say" in nuclear deal with Iran. My, what a difference a year makes.



Why has that all of a sudden changed Mr. Secretary? Funny how all of a sudden Congress no longer matters, and with them the law you so highly touted.

He was for it before he was against it.
He was against it before he was for it.

That is how Leftytoons roll.

 

[strollingbones]

there is no consistency in either party and the country is paying heavily for that

 

[rightwinger]

Democrats did it

do you recall the time one of your top demoncrats did worse ?? let me remind you fucking liberscum...



Kennedy’s message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election. “The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations,” the memorandum stated. “These issues, according to the senator, will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign.”

Kennedy made Andropov a couple of specific offers.


First he offered to visit Moscow. “The main purpose of the meeting, according to the senator, would be to arm Soviet officials with explanations regarding problems of nuclear disarmament so they may be better prepared and more convincing during appearances in the USA.” Kennedy would help the Soviets deal with Reagan by telling them how to brush up their propaganda.

Then he offered to make it possible for Andropov to sit down for a few interviews on American television. “A direct appeal … to the American people will, without a doubt, attract a great deal of attention and interest in the country. … If the proposal is recognized as worthy, then Kennedy and his friends will bring about suitable steps to have representatives of the largest television companies in the USA contact Y.V. Andropov for an invitation to Moscow for the interviews. … The senator underlined the importance that this initiative should be seen as coming from the American side.”

While ABC, CBS, and NBC were quick to promote Democratic opposition to a GOP letter to the Iranian leadership, the same standard was not applied when a prominent Democratic Senator openly tried to work with the Soviet Union to sabotage President Reagan’s dealings with the communist regime.

- See more at: Flashback Big Three Ignored Ted Kennedy s Letter to Soviet Union

can anyone tell me of any Republican(s) who went to Tehran to undermine your commie muslime mulatto presidunce ?

i am waiting !!

How about when Nixon told VietNam not to negotiate with LBJ?

 

[rightwinger]

Iran has a sizable moderate population that is dominated by religious hardliners who spoil all attempts to normalize relations with the world. Seems we have much the same problem here.

Of course. Pacifism will always win the day! How dare anyone stand up to the king!? Oh of all the impudence!

No one remembers when wars didn't happen because cool heads prevailed. I guess it's why people like you are so disdainful of diplomacy, you only pay attention when the shooting starts. The nature of modern urbanized warfare precludes the possibility of a clear victory and a winnable peace so the case cannot be made that hostilities are a path to stability and eventual peace. Diplomacy offers this path but to people like you it's boring.

You want Iran to have nuclear weaponry because here is what Obama has conceded to already!!!

Please read a little more. Spend a little more time thinking because what the GOP did was trying to delay the following from happening:

The concessions already acknowledged by U.S. officials include:
• There will be no limits on Iran’s ballistic-missile force, the presumed delivery means for its nuclear weapons.
The U.S. position of seeking limits on the missile force was abandoned when the Supreme Leader objected.

• There will be no resolution of Iran’s weaponization activities — described as “very alarming” by the Obama White House in November 2011 — before an agreement is reached. Iran is likely to promise once again to cooperate with the International Atomic Energy Agency in its investigation, but no serious observer would expect anything other than continued obstructionism by Iran.
At one point, a resolution of weaponization activities was a precondition for an agreement. Now it is being treated as an implementation issue.

• Verification will likely be based primarily on Iran’s current safeguards agreement and a promise to implement the Additional Protocol — a promise Iran first made over a decade ago.
Even if the Additional Protocol is observed, inspections will be by “managed access” based on Iran’s cooperation and good will. At one point, the U.S. insisted that effective verification required full access to facilities and people. Now, the U.S. and its P5+1 negotiating partners have settled for far less. There will be no unfettered inspections of suspected covert facilities such as the Lavizan-3 site revealed by the National Council of Resistance of Iran on Tuesday.

• The Arak heavy-water reactor will likely be modified in some fashion but not in any fundamental way that would prevent Iran from using it to produce plutonium for weapons.
The initial U.S. position was that the reactor must be dismantled.
• The economic sanctions that were disrupting the Iranian economy will be lifted in a shorter period than the restrictions on the country’s nuclear program.
In fact, Tehran has already received billions of dollars of sanctions relief for continuing the negotiations and observing several easily reversible constraints.

• The restrictions on Iran’s nuclear program will reportedly be phased out after ten years, a period shorter than the time it has taken to negotiate the agreement. The original U.S. position was that restrictions would be permanent.

• And most important, Iran will be allowed to operate thousands of centrifuges to enrich uranium and to pursue research and development of more advanced models that are many times more efficient.
The original U.S. position — backed by multiple United Nations Security Council resolutions demanding complete suspension of all enrichment activities — was “zero enrichment” and “zero centrifuges.”
Under President Obama, zero was abandoned as “unrealistic,” and the number of permitted centrifuges moved up in successive proposals from 1,000 to 4,500 to 6,000, and perhaps more. Iran has rejected each offer as insufficient, only to be rewarded with a better one.

Source:
National Review

Deal with FACTS not emotions. Your emotions are what start wars!

What stops them from doing all this and more once Republicans have squashed the deal?