America Founded as a Christian Nation

[Porter Rockwell]

AMERICA IS WAS FOUNDED AS A CHRISTIAN NATION

This is a continuation of posts 1 , 2, 7, 17, 35, 39, 56, 91, 109 and 153

There is no way to answer each and every critic - one critic had ten posts in ONE thread for me to respond to within an hour. Therefore, I won't repeat myself. I have stated certain FACTS in the posts above. To this point they are not being dealt with. Critics simply keep asking the same questions over and over and they've been answered already. Anything I'm missing I will come back and add to the mountains of evidence already presented.

Christianity is a part of our culture and heritage. Every couple of years you have non-Christian religions and non-believers wanting to change our heritage; our national identity; our culture.

The New England Primer was the first principal textbook used for educating the children of the colonists beginning in 1688.

The New-England Primer | textbook

That book would remain the principal textbook for well over 150 years. Now, let us fix a timeline here:

In 1802, Thomas Jefferson wrote his controversial "separation of church and state" letter (that means exactly 180 degrees opposite of what the atheists and non-believers claim.)

Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists (June 1998) - Library of Congress Information Bulletin

The New England Primer was a Christian based textbook and you can see it here:

https://thefederalistpapers.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/The-New-England-Primer.pdf

So, here is the context:

Children were receiving a Christian education before Thomas Jefferson wrote his letter to the Danbury Baptists. It was the principal textbook being used when Jefferson penned the "separation of church and state" letter. For that matter, it was the principal textbook being used when Jefferson penned the Declaration of Independence! AND, it remained the textbook of choice for over 37 years after Jefferson penned that letter.

I noticed the usual arguments about this didn't surface and maybe those who are real political propagandists don't want to go down this obvious road, but Jefferson's letter was actually a promise that the federal government would never interfere with education which was considered a social duty.

The federal government has no legitimate / constitutional business in education. BTW, The New England Primer remained in the classrooms of America beyond the death of Thomas Jefferson and more than 40 years after the ratification of the United States Constitution. The big issue is, you cannot turn out a majority of secularist children when they are being taught out of Christian based books. Yep... America was founded as a Christian nation.... just not as a theocracy.

The declaration of Independence lists 27 reasons that the founders gave to the world as reason that they established a new nation. Guess how many of them had to do with Christianity.

None.

WRONG. It's obvious you haven't read the Declaration of Independence. AGAIN - Asked and answered.

 

[Vandalshandle]

AMERICA IS WAS FOUNDED AS A CHRISTIAN NATION

This is a continuation of posts 1 , 2, 7, 17, 35, 39, 56, 91, 109 and 153

There is no way to answer each and every critic - one critic had ten posts in ONE thread for me to respond to within an hour. Therefore, I won't repeat myself. I have stated certain FACTS in the posts above. To this point they are not being dealt with. Critics simply keep asking the same questions over and over and they've been answered already. Anything I'm missing I will come back and add to the mountains of evidence already presented.

Christianity is a part of our culture and heritage. Every couple of years you have non-Christian religions and non-believers wanting to change our heritage; our national identity; our culture.

The New England Primer was the first principal textbook used for educating the children of the colonists beginning in 1688.

The New-England Primer | textbook

That book would remain the principal textbook for well over 150 years. Now, let us fix a timeline here:

In 1802, Thomas Jefferson wrote his controversial "separation of church and state" letter (that means exactly 180 degrees opposite of what the atheists and non-believers claim.)

Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists (June 1998) - Library of Congress Information Bulletin

The New England Primer was a Christian based textbook and you can see it here:

https://thefederalistpapers.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/The-New-England-Primer.pdf

So, here is the context:

Children were receiving a Christian education before Thomas Jefferson wrote his letter to the Danbury Baptists. It was the principal textbook being used when Jefferson penned the "separation of church and state" letter. For that matter, it was the principal textbook being used when Jefferson penned the Declaration of Independence! AND, it remained the textbook of choice for over 37 years after Jefferson penned that letter.

I noticed the usual arguments about this didn't surface and maybe those who are real political propagandists don't want to go down this obvious road, but Jefferson's letter was actually a promise that the federal government would never interfere with education which was considered a social duty.

The federal government has no legitimate / constitutional business in education. BTW, The New England Primer remained in the classrooms of America beyond the death of Thomas Jefferson and more than 40 years after the ratification of the United States Constitution. The big issue is, you cannot turn out a majority of secularist children when they are being taught out of Christian based books. Yep... America was founded as a Christian nation.... just not as a theocracy.

The declaration of Independence lists 27 reasons that the founders gave to the world as reason that they established a new nation. Guess how many of them had to do with Christianity.

None.

WRONG. It's obvious you haven't read the Declaration of Independence. AGAIN - Asked and answered.

Nope. I read all 27 reasons in the declaration of Independence. Christianity, in fact, religion, too, is not mentioned in any of them.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

My position has yet to be refuted.

Is your position that America's was founded to have an established Christian religion?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Children were receiving a Christian education before Thomas Jefferson wrote his letter to the Danbury Baptists. It was the principal textbook being used when Jefferson penned the "separation of church and state" letter. For that matter, it was the principal textbook being used when Jefferson penned the Declaration of Independence! AND, it remained the textbook of choice for over 37 years after Jefferson penned that letter.

How does that even come close to making a case that America was founded as a Christian nation.

I don’t dispute that the vast majority of Americans practiced some version of a Christian Religion. That defines America as a Christian majority nation. It does not define America as a Christian nation.

We are fortunate that Jefferson and many of the founding fathers either were not Christians themselves or put their personal Christian religion aside while tending to the business founding a nation that successfully kept the dominant Christian religion PERMANENTLY SEPARATED FROM THE NEW EMERGING NATION STATE.

from your link:

• “believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.”

The miracle from that time was that Jefferson’s childhood blood of Jesus Christian brainwashing education obviously did not take,

He freed his mind of your mainstream Christian tyranny of the mind.

i thank Jefferson’s version of god for that.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Bottom line: America was founded as a Christian nation

no it was not. America was founded when a majority (not counting native Americans) were indeed predominantly practicing some version of a Christian Religion,

However that majority was deliberately separated from the state by the founding fathers. Many of whom were not practicing Christianity as we knew it then and today.

 

[Correll]

America was set up to NOT have an Established Religion, of the State.

THat does not require that the nation as a whole, and/or the people be secular.

yepp the Founders demanded the new government maintain strict neutrality on religion. That is why it is absolutely ridiculous to preach nowadays that America was founded as a Christian Nation.

thanks for refuting the OP.

You make a point about the GOVERNMENT, and then conclude as though it supports your assertion about the Nation.


But it did not.


Not even a little.


There is no conflict between the statements,


"America was set up to have a government that would be neutral in dealing with internal sectarian religious issues."


and,


"America was set up to be a Christian Nation."

 

[Correll]

If you had read this thread, I proved, unequivocally, that Jefferson was a Christian.

No. You watered down the meaning of being a Christian so low that even I am a Christian by your definition.

But you have also stated that all Christians believe the Holy Bible is the Word if God? I don’t. Jefferson didn’t. So we must not be Christians.

You can’t keep your story straight so how can you come off telling us that you have proved Jefferson was a Christian.

Jesus dude. You are one messed up ‘highly educated’ Christian.

Do you believe this is a woman?

No. it’s a photograph of a person I don’t know. And it has no relevance to the discussion.

SUre it is. Relevant that is. You are a standard leftist ideologue and as such you are required to let a man like that, self identify as a woman, not matter how absurd that is,


yet, you are willing to argue against someone's religious self identification.


I, am the exact opposite.

When it comes to objective matters of biology and reality, I do not support delusional men who claim to be women.


When it comes to very subjective matters, like religion, I almost always try to respect, if not the Faith of people, at least their right to have whatever Faith they wish to have.


I do not share their views, but I support their right to have them.



That is what America has always been about. Until you modern lefties came along.


The vast majority or all of the Founders self identified as Christians.


I am willing to respect that. YOu want to quibble and deny them that right.

 

[Correll]

AMERICA IS WAS FOUNDED AS A CHRISTIAN NATION

This is a continuation of posts 1 , 2, 7, 17, 35, 39, 56, 91, 109 and 153

There is no way to answer each and every critic - one critic had ten posts in ONE thread for me to respond to within an hour. Therefore, I won't repeat myself. I have stated certain FACTS in the posts above. To this point they are not being dealt with. Critics simply keep asking the same questions over and over and they've been answered already. Anything I'm missing I will come back and add to the mountains of evidence already presented.

Christianity is a part of our culture and heritage. Every couple of years you have non-Christian religions and non-believers wanting to change our heritage; our national identity; our culture.

The New England Primer was the first principal textbook used for educating the children of the colonists beginning in 1688.

The New-England Primer | textbook

That book would remain the principal textbook for well over 150 years. Now, let us fix a timeline here:

In 1802, Thomas Jefferson wrote his controversial "separation of church and state" letter (that means exactly 180 degrees opposite of what the atheists and non-believers claim.)

Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists (June 1998) - Library of Congress Information Bulletin

The New England Primer was a Christian based textbook and you can see it here:

https://thefederalistpapers.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/The-New-England-Primer.pdf

So, here is the context:

Children were receiving a Christian education before Thomas Jefferson wrote his letter to the Danbury Baptists. It was the principal textbook being used when Jefferson penned the "separation of church and state" letter. For that matter, it was the principal textbook being used when Jefferson penned the Declaration of Independence! AND, it remained the textbook of choice for over 37 years after Jefferson penned that letter.

I noticed the usual arguments about this didn't surface and maybe those who are real political propagandists don't want to go down this obvious road, but Jefferson's letter was actually a promise that the federal government would never interfere with education which was considered a social duty.

The federal government has no legitimate / constitutional business in education. BTW, The New England Primer remained in the classrooms of America beyond the death of Thomas Jefferson and more than 40 years after the ratification of the United States Constitution. The big issue is, you cannot turn out a majority of secularist children when they are being taught out of Christian based books. Yep... America was founded as a Christian nation.... just not as a theocracy.

The declaration of Independence lists 27 reasons that the founders gave to the world as reason that they established a new nation. Guess how many of them had to do with Christianity.

None.

WRONG. It's obvious you haven't read the Declaration of Independence. AGAIN - Asked and answered.

Nope. I read all 27 reasons in the declaration of Independence. Christianity, in fact, religion, too, is not mentioned in any of them.

That is a fair point. But,


The Declaration was about the reason to break away from the British Empire.


The Founders has a lot of disagreements with the Empire, but their (the Empire's) position on Religion and religious practices in their colonies, at least their Christian colonies was not one of those disagreements.



That does not mean that they were not Christian, or that they did not intend their nation to be Christian.

 

[Correll]

My position has yet to be refuted.

Is your position that America's was founded to have an established Christian religion?

AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.

 

[Lysistrata]

I also do not understand what some declaration that the United States was founded as a Christian nation would accomplish.

It means no gun control and heavy drug control. Marijuana remains a schedule one drug. We build the most powerful nuclear weapons in the world (got anti-matter bomb?) for world peace and to blow up that scary giant asteroid coming to end it all. It means abortion and homosexuality are illegal. That's not all, but it's a good start.

Nothing that you mention has anything to do with any belief in Jesus, either as messiah or as teacher, and, thus, has nothing to do with the Christian faith. BTW: The U.S. is a 325+ million person country that is very racially, religiously, and culturally diverse. You belong only to a very small segment of our population that adheres to cults. There are millions more of everyday Americans who are not associated with your dogma.

Wrong. The night Jesus was betrayed after the last supper, he had his Apostles armed.

'For I tell you that this Scripture must be fulfilled in me: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors.’ For what is written about me has its fulfillment.” And they said, “Look, Lord, here are two swords.” And he said to them, “It is enough.”' Luke 22:37-39

"Then Simon Peter, having a sword, drew it and struck the high priest’s servant and cut off his right ear. So Jesus said to Peter, “Put your sword into its sheath; shall I not drink the cup that the Father has given me?” John 18:10-11

Jesus had his Apostles armed, but warned Peter when he used it.

This is just one example. All of God's human kings had great armies and the best arms

What Does the Bible Say About Guns?.

Drugs aren't good. Jesus isn't a prude about it, but warns against not being sober.

What Does the Bible Say About Drugs?

What is your point? Obviously, you are into some form of biblical fundamentalism. You actually believe in the bible literally. What goes on in your head doesn't have anything to do with anyone else. What would making abortion and homosexuality illegal do for anybody in the United States?

Also, do you have any means of taking a poll of all adult persons in the United States as to their beliefs? There is no such thing as a "Christian nation." Beliefs belong to the individual. People who self-identify as Christian do not hold the same beliefs as each other. Other Americans hold beliefs of other non-Christian religions.

I think that you are trying to shove all Americans into this graham/jeffress/hagee/family research council/southern baptist cult thing.

 

[initforme]

I'm 84 years old. A lifelong Christian. The dealio is any religion is welcome in america and people are free to practice it. End of argument.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

There is no conflict between the statements,


"America was set up to have a government that would be neutral in dealing with internal sectarian religious issues."


and,


"America was set up to be a Christian Nation."

Nonsense, you Christian Fool, America is a nation defined exactly by the system of government that was established at the founding.

they are inseparable.

 

[rightwinger]

America is a nation comprised mostly of Christians

We are NOT a Christian nation

This is the kind of typical dumbassery that I find personally offensive. A crackpot joins the discussion to make a point that has already been refuted, but he's too stupid to read the thread and get caught up to speed. THAT was an example of why these boards don't work very well.

Yes, America IS a Christian nation and we've proven it. At the beginning of each of my relevant posts to prove it I am telling posters which posts I have that follow the general narrative. That way, even with idiocy like you just posted, people can find the facts IF they are so inclined.

Other than that, I can't fix stupid.

You are a sad representation of a US Citizen

Our founders weep that you have missed the whole purpose of our democracy. Religious freedom

Freedom from state sponsored religion

Your inability to make a supporting argument is obvious to everyone. That is you being a poor debater.


That you try to cover for that, by insulting people, is you being a jerk.


Do you think that you can refute his claims? If so, why are you afraid to do that?


If not, why not?



Freedom from state religion, does not mean this is not a Christian nation.

We are a nation of Christians
We are not a Christian Nation

Big Difference

No dumbass. If you read the thread, you'd figure out how wrong you are, but I guess we have to suffer trolls for their amusement because they don't have a life.

Actually, not

You have demonstrated your Christian bias towards our founders
They would mock you.....just like we do

 

[yidnar]

Due to popular request I am starting a thread covering the fact that America was begun as a Christian nation. Be forewarned, I will not respond to posts that are more than twelve or so paragraphs. If we are going to discuss the issue, it has to be a few things at a time. Bottom line: America was founded as a Christian nation.

As soon as one says that the atheists and other non-believers will start with their lies and straw man arguments. They will tell you that I just said America was founded as a theocracy. AMERICA WAS NOT FOUNDED AS A THEOCRACY. IT WAS FOUNDED AS A REPUBLIC BASED UPON CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES.

Politics is nothing more than religion in action. Our sense of right and wrong are all predicated on moral values and we got from biblical precepts. The very first governing document of the New World was the Mayflower Compact. It states:

In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.


Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and “advancements of the Christian faith”

Okay, I’m well aware that St. Augustine is the oldest city in the U.S, the Spaniards were there before the colonists and that other colonists preceded those on the Mayflower. That Mayflower Compact was the first GOVERNING document of the New World. Colonization and founding are synonymous.

The First Charter of Virginia of 1606 stated:

“We greatly commending, and graciously accepting of, their Desires for the Furtherance of so noble a Work, which may, by the Providence of Almighty God, hereafter tend to the Glory his Divine Majesty, in propagating of Christian Religion to such People, as yet live in Darkness and miserable Ignorance of the true Knowledge and Worship of God, and may in time bring the Infidels and Savages, living in those parts, to human Civility, to a settled and quiet government.”

Similar language attesting to our Christian roots during this period would be the Second Charter of Virginia of 1609, Third Charter of Virginia 1611 – 1612, The Charter of New England 1620, Ordinances For Virginia, July 24, 1621, The Charter of Massachusetts Bay 1629, and I will add more to the chorological order each time I post.

In 1630, John Winthrop delivered a sermon aboard the Arbella as it sailed toward the New World. That sermon has been cited by U.S. statesmen including, but not limited to JFK and Ronald Reagan. It defines WHO the colonists were and what their objective was in the New World. Any sermon being quoted by American politicians 300 years later deserves to be examined. Here is a link to it and it is a must read if you want to add intelligent commentary to this thread:

https://www.casa-arts.org/cms/lib/PA01925203/Centricity/Domain/50/A Model of Christian Charity.pdf More to come

I think that it would be appropriate to point out that this nation, which you claim to be founded as a Christian nation, was also founded as a slave nation. That pretty much negates any positive Christian values that were involved during the founding.

Due to popular request I am starting a thread covering the fact that America was begun as a Christian nation. Be forewarned, I will not respond to posts that are more than twelve or so paragraphs. If we are going to discuss the issue, it has to be a few things at a time. Bottom line: America was founded as a Christian nation.

As soon as one says that the atheists and other non-believers will start with their lies and straw man arguments. They will tell you that I just said America was founded as a theocracy. AMERICA WAS NOT FOUNDED AS A THEOCRACY. IT WAS FOUNDED AS A REPUBLIC BASED UPON CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES.

Politics is nothing more than religion in action. Our sense of right and wrong are all predicated on moral values and we got from biblical precepts. The very first governing document of the New World was the Mayflower Compact. It states:

In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.


Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and “advancements of the Christian faith”

Okay, I’m well aware that St. Augustine is the oldest city in the U.S, the Spaniards were there before the colonists and that other colonists preceded those on the Mayflower. That Mayflower Compact was the first GOVERNING document of the New World. Colonization and founding are synonymous.

The First Charter of Virginia of 1606 stated:

“We greatly commending, and graciously accepting of, their Desires for the Furtherance of so noble a Work, which may, by the Providence of Almighty God, hereafter tend to the Glory his Divine Majesty, in propagating of Christian Religion to such People, as yet live in Darkness and miserable Ignorance of the true Knowledge and Worship of God, and may in time bring the Infidels and Savages, living in those parts, to human Civility, to a settled and quiet government.”

Similar language attesting to our Christian roots during this period would be the Second Charter of Virginia of 1609, Third Charter of Virginia 1611 – 1612, The Charter of New England 1620, Ordinances For Virginia, July 24, 1621, The Charter of Massachusetts Bay 1629, and I will add more to the chorological order each time I post.

In 1630, John Winthrop delivered a sermon aboard the Arbella as it sailed toward the New World. That sermon has been cited by U.S. statesmen including, but not limited to JFK and Ronald Reagan. It defines WHO the colonists were and what their objective was in the New World. Any sermon being quoted by American politicians 300 years later deserves to be examined. Here is a link to it and it is a must read if you want to add intelligent commentary to this thread:

https://www.casa-arts.org/cms/lib/PA01925203/Centricity/Domain/50/A Model of Christian Charity.pdf More to come

I think that it would be appropriate to point out that this nation, which you claim to be founded as a Christian nation, was also founded as a slave nation. That pretty much negates any positive Christian values that were involved during the founding.

the early origins of the abolition movement started in Christian churches .

 

[Porter Rockwell]

AMERICA IS WAS FOUNDED AS A CHRISTIAN NATION

This is a continuation of posts 1 , 2, 7, 17, 35, 39, 56, 91, 109 and 153

There is no way to answer each and every critic - one critic had ten posts in ONE thread for me to respond to within an hour. Therefore, I won't repeat myself. I have stated certain FACTS in the posts above. To this point they are not being dealt with. Critics simply keep asking the same questions over and over and they've been answered already. Anything I'm missing I will come back and add to the mountains of evidence already presented.

Christianity is a part of our culture and heritage. Every couple of years you have non-Christian religions and non-believers wanting to change our heritage; our national identity; our culture.

The New England Primer was the first principal textbook used for educating the children of the colonists beginning in 1688.

The New-England Primer | textbook

That book would remain the principal textbook for well over 150 years. Now, let us fix a timeline here:

In 1802, Thomas Jefferson wrote his controversial "separation of church and state" letter (that means exactly 180 degrees opposite of what the atheists and non-believers claim.)

Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists (June 1998) - Library of Congress Information Bulletin

The New England Primer was a Christian based textbook and you can see it here:

https://thefederalistpapers.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/The-New-England-Primer.pdf

So, here is the context:

Children were receiving a Christian education before Thomas Jefferson wrote his letter to the Danbury Baptists. It was the principal textbook being used when Jefferson penned the "separation of church and state" letter. For that matter, it was the principal textbook being used when Jefferson penned the Declaration of Independence! AND, it remained the textbook of choice for over 37 years after Jefferson penned that letter.

I noticed the usual arguments about this didn't surface and maybe those who are real political propagandists don't want to go down this obvious road, but Jefferson's letter was actually a promise that the federal government would never interfere with education which was considered a social duty.

The federal government has no legitimate / constitutional business in education. BTW, The New England Primer remained in the classrooms of America beyond the death of Thomas Jefferson and more than 40 years after the ratification of the United States Constitution. The big issue is, you cannot turn out a majority of secularist children when they are being taught out of Christian based books. Yep... America was founded as a Christian nation.... just not as a theocracy.

The declaration of Independence lists 27 reasons that the founders gave to the world as reason that they established a new nation. Guess how many of them had to do with Christianity.

None.

WRONG. It's obvious you haven't read the Declaration of Independence. AGAIN - Asked and answered.

Nope. I read all 27 reasons in the declaration of Independence. Christianity, in fact, religion, too, is not mentioned in any of them.

Nature’s God – Founding.com

See there. You are wrong.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

My position has yet to be refuted.

Is your position that America's was founded to have an established Christian religion?

NO
America has religious Liberty. You cannot censor it. You cannot require people to join it. You cannot deny people the Right to exercise it. It is Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Children were receiving a Christian education before Thomas Jefferson wrote his letter to the Danbury Baptists. It was the principal textbook being used when Jefferson penned the "separation of church and state" letter. For that matter, it was the principal textbook being used when Jefferson penned the Declaration of Independence! AND, it remained the textbook of choice for over 37 years after Jefferson penned that letter.

How does that even come close to making a case that America was founded as a Christian nation.

I don’t dispute that the vast majority of Americans practiced some version of a Christian Religion. That defines America as a Christian majority nation. It does not define America as a Christian nation.

We are fortunate that Jefferson and many of the founding fathers either were not Christians themselves or put their personal Christian religion aside while tending to the business founding a nation that successfully kept the dominant Christian religion PERMANENTLY SEPARATED FROM THE NEW EMERGING NATION STATE.

from your link:

• “believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.”

The miracle from that time was that Jefferson’s childhood blood of Jesus Christian brainwashing education obviously did not take,

He freed his mind of your mainstream Christian tyranny of the mind.

i thank Jefferson’s version of god for that.

You do not get to define who the nation is. THAT is what you want to do.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Bottom line: America was founded as a Christian nation

no it was not. America was founded when a majority (not counting native Americans) were indeed predominantly practicing some version of a Christian Religion,

However that majority was deliberately separated from the state by the founding fathers. Many of whom were not practicing Christianity as we knew it then and today.

That was refuted in the first two posts of this thread.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

This is the kind of typical dumbassery that I find personally offensive. A crackpot joins the discussion to make a point that has already been refuted, but he's too stupid to read the thread and get caught up to speed. THAT was an example of why these boards don't work very well.

Yes, America IS a Christian nation and we've proven it. At the beginning of each of my relevant posts to prove it I am telling posters which posts I have that follow the general narrative. That way, even with idiocy like you just posted, people can find the facts IF they are so inclined.

Other than that, I can't fix stupid.

You are a sad representation of a US Citizen

Our founders weep that you have missed the whole purpose of our democracy. Religious freedom

Freedom from state sponsored religion

Your inability to make a supporting argument is obvious to everyone. That is you being a poor debater.


That you try to cover for that, by insulting people, is you being a jerk.


Do you think that you can refute his claims? If so, why are you afraid to do that?


If not, why not?



Freedom from state religion, does not mean this is not a Christian nation.

We are a nation of Christians
We are not a Christian Nation

Big Difference

No dumbass. If you read the thread, you'd figure out how wrong you are, but I guess we have to suffer trolls for their amusement because they don't have a life.

Actually, not

You have demonstrated your Christian bias towards our founders
They would mock you.....just like we do

LMFAO. You're absolutely delusional.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

That was refuted in the first two posts of this thread.

Who says it’s refuted? You? That’s hilarious.

Responds to my posts on substance if you can