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Atheists disqualified from holding office or testifying as witness - Arkansas Constitution - Article XIX. Miscellaneous Provisions - Id 307413 - vLex
Maryland Constitution - Declaration of Rights
General Laws: CHAPTER 272, Section 36
Maryland Constitution - Declaration of Rights
Article 14 ("General Provisions"), Section 265
PA Manual
Special Protection for the religious.
http://www.state.tn.us/sos/bluebook/online/section6/tnconst.pdf
Texas Constitution and Statutes - Home
The Texas Constitution, Article I, Section 4: No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being.
State constitutions. Hmm...are they upholding those constitutions? If so, why isn't the aclu fighting them instead of the school with the prayer banner. Seems to me that actually is an infringement on an athiests right.
Cases have been made to attempt to appeal these, and people have been convicted and prevented from holding office using them.
It speaks volumes to the bigotry of the religious right in this country, able to circumvent the supreme law of this land to prevent those with dissenting ideas from participating in government. Laws are regularly submitted to remedy those few that make it into government, those are usually shot down thankfully.
What speaks volumes is the ACLU is going after a prayer banner that's been in a public school since 1963 while such laws are on the books in some states. Don't you think repealing those stupid laws would be more worthy of their time. I mean, that really does deny athiests rights.
You're all hot under the collar becasue of some prayer banner that just hangs there and denies athiests nothing except the right not to see a prayer banner, when you and all athiest should be going after those state constitutions that actually do deny you real rights.
No I completely agree, but it helps set presidence. Even then, religion should not be in a school in any form, even displays conveying disbelief shouldn't be allowed because a school is a place to learn.
What speaks volumes is the ACLU is going after a prayer banner that's been in a public school since 1963 while such laws are on the books in some states. Don't you think repealing those stupid laws would be more worthy of their time. I mean, that really does deny athiests rights.
You're all hot under the collar becasue of some prayer banner that just hangs there and denies athiests nothing except the right not to see a prayer banner, when you and all athiest should be going after those state constitutions that actually do deny you real rights.
No I completely agree, but it helps set presidence. Even then, religion should not be in a school in any form, even displays conveying disbelief shouldn't be allowed because a school is a place to learn.
You can't learn anything without being exposed to it. Believe it or not the mormons were very important in the expansion of our country. I'm not mormon, but I can recognize that fact. Our ancestors, many of them came here so they could worship according to their will instead of having to do their worship in hiding. You want to put it back in the closet. Well guess what, I refuse. There is no "new world" for me to go to so I can practice my religion so you're stuck with me here AND my religion.
What speaks volumes is the ACLU is going after a prayer banner that's been in a public school since 1963 while such laws are on the books in some states. Don't you think repealing those stupid laws would be more worthy of their time. I mean, that really does deny athiests rights.
You're all hot under the collar becasue of some prayer banner that just hangs there and denies athiests nothing except the right not to see a prayer banner, when you and all athiest should be going after those state constitutions that actually do deny you real rights.
No I completely agree, but it helps set presidence. Even then, religion should not be in a school in any form, even displays conveying disbelief shouldn't be allowed because a school is a place to learn.
You can't learn anything without being exposed to it. Believe it or not the mormons were very important in the expansion of our country. I'm not mormon, but I can recognize that fact. Our ancestors, many of them came here so they could worship according to their will instead of having to do their worship in hiding. You want to put it back in the closet. Well guess what, I refuse. There is no "new world" for me to go to so I can practice my religion so you're stuck with me here AND my religion.
No I completely agree, but it helps set presidence. Even then, religion should not be in a school in any form, even displays conveying disbelief shouldn't be allowed because a school is a place to learn.
You can't learn anything without being exposed to it. Believe it or not the mormons were very important in the expansion of our country. I'm not mormon, but I can recognize that fact. Our ancestors, many of them came here so they could worship according to their will instead of having to do their worship in hiding. You want to put it back in the closet. Well guess what, I refuse. There is no "new world" for me to go to so I can practice my religion so you're stuck with me here AND my religion.
AKA..swindling the Native Americans. Good point Sheila.
You can't learn anything without being exposed to it. Believe it or not the mormons were very important in the expansion of our country. I'm not mormon, but I can recognize that fact. Our ancestors, many of them came here so they could worship according to their will instead of having to do their worship in hiding. You want to put it back in the closet. Well guess what, I refuse. There is no "new world" for me to go to so I can practice my religion so you're stuck with me here AND my religion.
AKA..swindling the Native Americans. Good point Sheila.
Have you read a history book?
The ACLU doesnt fight anything, they provide resources to Americans to defend themselves in Federal court where those Americans couldnt afford to do so otherwise.State constitutions. Hmm...are they upholding those constitutions? If so, why isn't the aclu fighting them instead of the school with the prayer banner. Seems to me that actually is an infringement on an athiests right.
No, I have the right to practice my religion in front of other people and they can do nothing to stop me....not the same thing at all.
If it bothered the girl so much, I'm sure she was welcome to donate an athiest banner, instead she chose to ban the religious banner. Not the same thing at all.
Now this is what rubs me wrong with cases like this, where as you have this gullable teen and the ACLU,
, where as lets say that the school in a whopping 99% wanted the banner to fly in that specific school over the 1% that didnot want it to fly
Now this is what rubs me wrong with cases like this, where as you have this gullable teen and the ACLU,
Stop right there. How do you know she is "gullable" ? Have you even met her?
, where as lets say that the school in a whopping 99% wanted the banner to fly in that specific school over the 1% that didnot want it to fly
Let's say? Where in the Constitution does it say the Constitution can be violated by a 99% majority vote of parents at a school?
The ACLU doesnt fight anything, they provide resources to Americans to defend themselves in Federal court where those Americans couldnt afford to do so otherwise.State constitutions. Hmm...are they upholding those constitutions? If so, why isn't the aclu fighting them instead of the school with the prayer banner. Seems to me that actually is an infringement on an athiests right.
No, I have the right to practice my religion in front of other people and they can do nothing to stop me....not the same thing at all.
No one said you didnt.
You do not, however, to have the right to have your religious beliefs codified into secular law or policy, compelling others to abide, conform, or otherwise acknowledge your faith.
The mistake that you and other theists make is to incorrectly assume that the prohibition of religious expression the public sector is to somehow deny Christians the right to religious expression overall. It doesnt, its not a violation of the Free Exercise Clause to enforce the Establishment Clause.
If it bothered the girl so much, I'm sure she was welcome to donate an athiest banner, instead she chose to ban the religious banner. Not the same thing at all.
Thats ridiculous what would the banner say? Another mistake by theists is the incorrect perception of atheism as a religion or belief, when its clearly not. One cant not believe in something that never existed in the first place; theists are the aberration, not those free from faith.
The ACLU doesnt fight anything, they provide resources to Americans to defend themselves in Federal court where those Americans couldnt afford to do so otherwise.State constitutions. Hmm...are they upholding those constitutions? If so, why isn't the aclu fighting them instead of the school with the prayer banner. Seems to me that actually is an infringement on an athiests right.
No one said you didnt.
You do not, however, to have the right to have your religious beliefs codified into secular law or policy, compelling others to abide, conform, or otherwise acknowledge your faith.
The mistake that you and other theists make is to incorrectly assume that the prohibition of religious expression the public sector is to somehow deny Christians the right to religious expression overall. It doesnt, its not a violation of the Free Exercise Clause to enforce the Establishment Clause.
If it bothered the girl so much, I'm sure she was welcome to donate an athiest banner, instead she chose to ban the religious banner. Not the same thing at all.
Thats ridiculous what would the banner say? Another mistake by theists is the incorrect perception of atheism as a religion or belief, when its clearly not. One cant not believe in something that never existed in the first place; theists are the aberration, not those free from faith.
Concentrate on changing the laws against athiests, not on taking away the rights of religous people, which is what this girl and the aclu did. I have the right to my religion. I have the right to display my religion in puplic, you do not have the right to deny me that, nor do I have the right to deny you that. Again, concentrate on those state constitutions that clearly take away the rights of athiests instead of concentrating on taking away the rights of the religous, I'll back you 100%.
Whether it was their intent or not, the SCOTUS has made a ruling
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True, and it's not the first time they've been wrong. Probably won't be the last either.
The SCOTUS has the job of interpreting the Constitution in constitutional cases as the Founding Fathers would have.
And as Jefferson said this, I doubt they had trouble with the ruling.
Jefferson's Wall of Separation Letter - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net
Mr. President
To messers Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.
Gentlemen
The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from prescribing even those occasional performances of devotion, practiced indeed by the Executive of another nation as the legal head of its church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association assurances of my high respect & esteem.
(signed) Thomas Jefferson
Jan.1.1802. <---Letter to the Danbury Baptist Church.
Art. 11, Treaty of Tripoli. Signed by John Adams as a representation of the laws of the United States Constitution. Constitution, Article VI, Sect.2: "This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof, and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every State shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
It's not really up for dispute.
And again, religion does not belong in an education facility during the school day, no matter how much you want to send us back to the bronze age
Source: US Treaty with Tripoli, 1796-1797
You can attempt to re-write history as much as you want, but welcome to the information age, history is readily available to anyone who wants to know the truth, and the truth is that it was set up to protect your shitty church from being crushed by state doctrine.
I fail to see how Christians are being attacked when there is only a single atheist in congress.
The ACLU doesnt fight anything, they provide resources to Americans to defend themselves in Federal court where those Americans couldnt afford to do so otherwise.
No one said you didnt.
You do not, however, to have the right to have your religious beliefs codified into secular law or policy, compelling others to abide, conform, or otherwise acknowledge your faith.
The mistake that you and other theists make is to incorrectly assume that the prohibition of religious expression the public sector is to somehow deny Christians the right to religious expression overall. It doesnt, its not a violation of the Free Exercise Clause to enforce the Establishment Clause.
Thats ridiculous what would the banner say? Another mistake by theists is the incorrect perception of atheism as a religion or belief, when its clearly not. One cant not believe in something that never existed in the first place; theists are the aberration, not those free from faith.
Concentrate on changing the laws against athiests, not on taking away the rights of religous people, which is what this girl and the aclu did. I have the right to my religion. I have the right to display my religion in puplic, you do not have the right to deny me that, nor do I have the right to deny you that. Again, concentrate on those state constitutions that clearly take away the rights of athiests instead of concentrating on taking away the rights of the religous, I'll back you 100%.
A school sponsored prayer is unconstitutional, this wasn't a private school.
You can certainly do that in a private school.
Do you really believe that our forefathers intended that clause to prevent any religion in any public building or meetings when they started congress out, and it still starts out with a prayer?????
Whether it was their intent or not, the SCOTUS has made a ruling
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True, and it's not the first time they've been wrong. Probably won't be the last either.
Whether it was their intent or not, the SCOTUS has made a ruling
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True, and it's not the first time they've been wrong. Probably won't be the last either.
Our only recourse is a change in Administration and Appointees that would hear a case to reverse it.
It ain't gonna happen, Cap'n.
Concentrate on changing the laws against athiests, not on taking away the rights of religous people, which is what this girl and the aclu did. I have the right to my religion. I have the right to display my religion in puplic, you do not have the right to deny me that, nor do I have the right to deny you that. Again, concentrate on those state constitutions that clearly take away the rights of athiests instead of concentrating on taking away the rights of the religous, I'll back you 100%.
A school sponsored prayer is unconstitutional, this wasn't a private school.
You can certainly do that in a private school.
A banner given to the school by the graduating class 49 years ago is not school sponsored prayer. And what the heck is wrong with school sponsored prayer as long as they don't force you to participate? Do you really think our forefathers wanted prayer banned from public building, even schools when the set it up to start congress with a prayer?
True, and it's not the first time they've been wrong. Probably won't be the last either.
Our only recourse is a change in Administration and Appointees that would hear a case to reverse it.
It ain't gonna happen, Cap'n.
No, it's not. we've basically lost our country.
Concentrate on changing the laws against athiests, not on taking away the rights of religous people, which is what this girl and the aclu did. I have the right to my religion. I have the right to display my religion in puplic, you do not have the right to deny me that, nor do I have the right to deny you that. Again, concentrate on those state constitutions that clearly take away the rights of athiests instead of concentrating on taking away the rights of the religous, I'll back you 100%.
A school sponsored prayer is unconstitutional, this wasn't a private school.
You can certainly do that in a private school.
A banner given to the school by the graduating class 49 years ago is not school sponsored prayer. And what the heck is wrong with school sponsored prayer as long as they don't force you to participate? Do you really think our forefathers wanted prayer banned from public building, even schools when the set it up to start congress with a prayer?
Our only recourse is a change in Administration and Appointees that would hear a case to reverse it.
It ain't gonna happen, Cap'n.
No, it's not. we've basically lost our country.
Oh I didn't realize Christians are barred from serving in government for their belief.
