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This discussion is about government help that has been given to whites since slavery. I also mentioned our request for reparations based on the fact that blacks were not just denied because of slavery but to other policies since then that whites living now have benefitted from. What happened to Bessie Coleman happened after slavery. I am the OP here, you are not. So you don't determine what the context of the discussion here is.I think you made a mistake in understanding the context of the specific discussion. The discussion was concerning the conditions of contemporary Blacks in America, and the report was in comparison of Blacks in the Civil Rights Era to the Blacks in contemporary America (2018). Arguing Bessie Coleman of a hundred years ago is out of context - why not just argue the conditions of Black American slaves? You knew there was some type of time er qualification, because you did not go back to the slave era.Bessie Coleman had to travel to paris in order to obtain her pilot's license because they wouldn't give her one in the United States. Clearly she is one person who did not have it better in AmericaThat does not disprove the claim that Blacks have it better in America than anyplace else. The report makes no caparison to the conditions that black people in other countries endure, or enjoy.
Wow! You are really wrapped tight.This discussion is about government help that has been given to whites since slavery. I also mentioned our request for reparations based on the fact that blacks were not just denied because of slavery but to other policies since then that whites living now have benefitted from. What happened to Bessie Coleman happened after slavery. I am the OP here, you are not. So you don't determine what the context of the discussion here is.
Brooklyn, 50s & 60s.Are you like 120? Cause I grew up in the North and that is not what I saw.
Oh, and getting a job from family, is not wacism.
It is not nearly as blatant as a sign saying "no dogs or Irishmen", but once that family has a job somewhere, nepotism prevents anyone who is not family from breaking in. If that first job was the result of racism, nepotism is continuing that racism.
Everybody is benefiting from. Things like the constitution, the Car, the TV and many other things.This discussion is about government help that has been given to whites since slavery. I also mentioned our request for reparations based on the fact that blacks were not just denied because of slavery but to other policies since then that whites living now have benefitted from. What happened to Bessie Coleman happened after slavery. I am the OP here, you are not. So you don't determine what the context of the discussion here is.
Did that first white guy get the job because his boss didn't want to hire a Black? If so, it is race-based.no, it's not. nepotism is nepotism. Some white guy not family, can't get in. So, it is not race based.
That may be so but whites unified around skin color to deny non whites of opportunity by law and policy.If there were lynchings in Brooklyn they happened well before my time.Actually there were lynchings in the north but I am not going to argue with you about that because you aren't making excuses to deny what's happening or posting retard ass posts about huts. Thank you.I hadn't heard about Blacks being excluded from GI benefits until recently (still getting my news from Jon Stewart). The North I grew up in was just as racist as the South, the only difference was that it was not structural (as in discriminatory laws) as it was personal. You got your job from someone in your family, you lived in a good school zone because people there had more money, time, and interest in education. There were no lynchings but there were also few Blacks in my school or neighborhood. A soft form of racism we never thought about.My mother and her 3 siblings were orphans with nothing in the bank. Her 2 brothers fought in WWII and were able to buy a house in a 'desirable' neighborhood (in other words no Blacks allowed) for them all when they returned. My family used those GI benefits to lift themselves up. We lived in the North so I don't know if Black GIs got the same opportunity. I know their house appreciated in value and gave my parents a fine life and retirement and gave me a great start in life.And most of you benefitted from it.
On June 22, 1944 President Roosevelt signed the Servicemen’s Readjustment Act, better known as the G.I. Bill. This law provided benefits for veterans returning from the second World War. Funds were paid for college tuition, low-cost home loans, and unemployment insurance. As in every other program during this time southern congressmen fought passage of these laws unless there were provisions that limited access to blacks. The G.I Bill was no different.
Democratic congressmen in the south fought against provisions of the GI Bill out of fear that returning black veterans might be able to use public support for their war effort to advocate against Jim Crow laws. Southern Democrats using the same tactics they used to make certain other policies in the New Deal helped as few Black people as possible, wanted benefits to be administered by the states. Mississippi Congressman John Rankin was the ringleader in that regard]. He and other Southern Democrats knew doing that would allow southern states to do what each state had been doing since the Civil Rights Cases. That would be states implementing policies full of loopholes and restrictions that would be enforced on blacks but not whites thereby ensuring the GI Bill would primarily benefit whites. Congress gave southern Democrats what they wanted.
How African American WWII Veterans Were Scorned By the G.I. Bill
This Veteran's Day, remembering some of our veterans who protected a country that did not protect them.progressive.org
How the GI Bill's Promise Was Denied to a Million Black WWII Veterans | HISTORY
The sweeping bill following World War II promised prosperity to veterans. So why didn’t Black Americans benefit?www.history.com
Now before I have to hear you republicans sing that sad sorry lie about democrats, remember that republicans voted to give the southern democrats what they wanted. My father served in that war, he was from Louisiana and he did not get the benefits white soldiers got. This impacted my life and so when we speak about reparations, we're talking about policies like this and many others which came after slavery and do more so directly affect blacks living today.
Sounds good. Nothing wrong with that. Anyone that could read that story and cry "Wacism" is just talking shit and should be shunned by good people.
I think my Dad was typical for his time. He didn't hate Blacks or wish them ill, he just didn't want to live or work with them. I'm pretty sure he felt the same way about Hispanics, Italians, Irish, etc.
Did that first white guy get the job because his boss didn't want to hire a Black? If so, it is race-based.no, it's not. nepotism is nepotism. Some white guy not family, can't get in. So, it is not race based.
Oh yes, I have proven it. American Indians get reparations annually. Whites did not die to free the slaves and those whites benefitted from racially discriminatory laws and policies. It is apparent you are ignorant relative to this topic and so why don't you read these books;You claim, but fail to show, evidence. If you believe, as you apparently do, that your race deserves things that the other races do not because of that race you are a racist no matter what color you are. Black Americans have had things much better than blacks in Africa, are you planning to pay them reparations? How about American Indians? How about all the whites that died to free the slaves? If you think anybody is going to give you money because somebody else might have done something to somebody you never even met sometime in the past, you are an idiot.I have no present racism. You are using the default tactic white racists use when evidence is presented that shows everything they whine about others getting actually have only been given to them.Bullspit! Past racism doesn't doesn't justify your present racism. Becoming racist puts the lie to your claim to be against it.Shut the fuck up. I will judge yesterday by the standards written in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution. Whites didn't found shit. And your ancestors benefitted from Jim Crow and every discriminatory policy this nation produced.Whites founded and established the US. Go start your own country and then you can have what you want. We can't judge yesterday by today's standards, things were different back then. Deal with it, because you ain't getting squat. My ancestors not only didn't have slaves, but also had nothing to do with the GI bill, Jim Crow, or any thing else like that.I started the thread son. The OP is about the GI Bill. Not slavery. But since you ran your mouth.Read the Title of the Thread fool
Whites in America have benefitted from a series of consistent affirmative action programs starting on July 4th, 1776. Yet many whites have not seen it that way. It is difficult to review the history of this country and not come to that conclusion, but that is all part of the madness. When all the laws provide for your advancement based on race from the beginning of this country, there is no sane argument to be made by whites about the unfairness of considering race as a qualification for anything. It is just that simple.
The National Housing Act was a law passed by Congress and signed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1934. This law created the Federal Housing Administration or the FHA. The National Housing Act is the probably the policy that has the greatest impact on individual wealth accumulation in modern America. Unfortunately, the formation of the FHA and its guaranteed loan program only worked to increase white advantage. This law expanded the power of the federal government which helped it monitor the American economy. Many of today’s republicans complaining about how government expansion is wrong, benefitted by this government expansion.
I say this because the FHA able to create a guaranteed home loan program whereby potential home buyers could get bank loans guaranteed against default by the government. But the government had standards and most of those standards were based on racist beliefs.
Between 1934 to 1968, the FHA implemented and put into practice a policy called redlining. It began by publishing The Underwriting Manual which set the guidelines real estate agents used to assess the value and creditworthiness of different homes and neighborhoods. This manual promoted racist real estate practices by defending racially restrictive covenants and segregated communities. Due to this manual, the FHA was able to establish a neighborhood grading system based purely of false racist perceptions.
Redlining was the name of that grading system. Redlining has been well documented so there is no need for me to go into a long analysis of the policy. What I will say is that redlining was based on a premise of neighborhood decline caused by blacks that has never been proven. To this day blacks are accused of depreciating neighborhood values still without proof.
The Social Security Act of 1935 created the Social Security program, unemployment insurance administered by the states and assistance to single mothers with children. Today most Americans love the program. However, when the act was signed, the law was structured to exclude occupations that were mainly occupied by blacks. When President Roosevelt signed the law, 65 percent of blacks in America were ineligible. So for years a majority of blacks were excluded from social security savings and could not get unemployment.
The Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 created the minimum wage and time and a half overtime pay for working over forty hours a week. Child labor was eliminated by this act. All these were good things but… This is the trouble with so many things in the history of America. There is always a but. Being imperfect, we all have buts and not just the ones we sit on. Yet in some cases the word but comes before critical facts that change how we see things. In this case, Roosevelt had to make a compromise with southern representatives in order to get the votes he needed. So he decided that industries where the majority of workers were black would be excluded from the regulations. Because of this, blacks were paid less than the minimum wage.
The issue goes far past slavery you dumb SOB. And we all have felt the effects of these policies.
Whites have benefitted the most from this system. I am going suggest the same thing to you as I did 9thldoc.Everybody is benefiting from. Things like the constitution, the Car, the TV and many other things.This discussion is about government help that has been given to whites since slavery. I also mentioned our request for reparations based on the fact that blacks were not just denied because of slavery but to other policies since then that whites living now have benefitted from. What happened to Bessie Coleman happened after slavery. I am the OP here, you are not. So you don't determine what the context of the discussion here is.
American Indians get reparations annually.
We would have a better discussion on the subject if you actually understood that rights are given to individuals, and not identities. I'll grant you that it didn't start out that way, but it's that why now, and has been for quite a while. Something that in your world "whites" did, that I personally just see as "Americans"..Whites have benefitted the most from this system. I am going suggest the same thing to you as I did 9thldoc.
Please read these books;
After you have done this, we can have a better discussion on this subject.
- American Aparthied
- Color of Law
- White Rage
- When Affirmative Action was White
- Racism Without Racists
- The New Jim Crow
Whites have benefitted the most from this system. I am going suggest the same thing to you as I did 9thldoc.Everybody is benefiting from. Things like the constitution, the Car, the TV and many other things.This discussion is about government help that has been given to whites since slavery. I also mentioned our request for reparations based on the fact that blacks were not just denied because of slavery but to other policies since then that whites living now have benefitted from. What happened to Bessie Coleman happened after slavery. I am the OP here, you are not. So you don't determine what the context of the discussion here is.
Please read these books;
After you have done this, we can have a better discussion on this subject.
- American Aparthied
- Color of Law
- White Rage
- When Affirmative Action was White
- Racism Without Racists
- The New Jim Crow
I doubt that. But if you all had not run away from the shithole European countries you descend from, you'd still be a serf. Whites did not fight for us. We do not have to be grateful because some whites decided to do what was right.Whites built the US. Without Whites, you'd all be stuck in Africa, begging to come here, or still trying to swim to Europe. Whites also fought for and supported Blacks in their quest for freedom in the US. And now you have it, so stop all the whining, you ungrateful s.o.b.Shut the fuck up. I will judge yesterday by the standards written in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution. Whites didn't found shit. And your ancestors benefitted from Jim Crow and every discriminatory policy this nation produced.Whites founded and established the US. Go start your own country and then you can have what you want. We can't judge yesterday by today's standards, things were different back then. Deal with it, because you ain't getting squat. My ancestors not only didn't have slaves, but also had nothing to do with the GI bill, Jim Crow, or any thing else like that.I started the thread son. The OP is about the GI Bill. Not slavery. But since you ran your mouth.Read the Title of the Thread fool
Whites in America have benefitted from a series of consistent affirmative action programs starting on July 4th, 1776. Yet many whites have not seen it that way. It is difficult to review the history of this country and not come to that conclusion, but that is all part of the madness. When all the laws provide for your advancement based on race from the beginning of this country, there is no sane argument to be made by whites about the unfairness of considering race as a qualification for anything. It is just that simple.
The National Housing Act was a law passed by Congress and signed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1934. This law created the Federal Housing Administration or the FHA. The National Housing Act is the probably the policy that has the greatest impact on individual wealth accumulation in modern America. Unfortunately, the formation of the FHA and its guaranteed loan program only worked to increase white advantage. This law expanded the power of the federal government which helped it monitor the American economy. Many of today’s republicans complaining about how government expansion is wrong, benefitted by this government expansion.
I say this because the FHA able to create a guaranteed home loan program whereby potential home buyers could get bank loans guaranteed against default by the government. But the government had standards and most of those standards were based on racist beliefs.
Between 1934 to 1968, the FHA implemented and put into practice a policy called redlining. It began by publishing The Underwriting Manual which set the guidelines real estate agents used to assess the value and creditworthiness of different homes and neighborhoods. This manual promoted racist real estate practices by defending racially restrictive covenants and segregated communities. Due to this manual, the FHA was able to establish a neighborhood grading system based purely of false racist perceptions.
Redlining was the name of that grading system. Redlining has been well documented so there is no need for me to go into a long analysis of the policy. What I will say is that redlining was based on a premise of neighborhood decline caused by blacks that has never been proven. To this day blacks are accused of depreciating neighborhood values still without proof.
The Social Security Act of 1935 created the Social Security program, unemployment insurance administered by the states and assistance to single mothers with children. Today most Americans love the program. However, when the act was signed, the law was structured to exclude occupations that were mainly occupied by blacks. When President Roosevelt signed the law, 65 percent of blacks in America were ineligible. So for years a majority of blacks were excluded from social security savings and could not get unemployment.
The Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 created the minimum wage and time and a half overtime pay for working over forty hours a week. Child labor was eliminated by this act. All these were good things but… This is the trouble with so many things in the history of America. There is always a but. Being imperfect, we all have buts and not just the ones we sit on. Yet in some cases the word but comes before critical facts that change how we see things. In this case, Roosevelt had to make a compromise with southern representatives in order to get the votes he needed. So he decided that industries where the majority of workers were black would be excluded from the regulations. Because of this, blacks were paid less than the minimum wage.
The issue goes far past slavery you dumb SOB. And we all have felt the effects of these policies.
No, I am requiring whites here to stay on topic. Too often when black start threads here we get threads full of the shit taz is doing and it gets allowed until a person with responsibility uses the trolling as an excuse to close the thread just like the racists want done.Wow! You are really wrapped tight.This discussion is about government help that has been given to whites since slavery. I also mentioned our request for reparations based on the fact that blacks were not just denied because of slavery but to other policies since then that whites living now have benefitted from. What happened to Bessie Coleman happened after slavery. I am the OP here, you are not. So you don't determine what the context of the discussion here is.
No, we'd have a better understanding if you read those books and stopped lying to yourself about how rights are not given to identities. That is not the way things are now and I am making the right argument. So we just won't be getting anywhere because you want to lie to yourself. Turn black and live for a decade, then come talk.We would have a better discussion on the subject if you actually understood that rights are given to individuals, and not identities. I'll grant you that it didn't start out that way, but it's that why now, and has been for quite a while.Whites have benefitted the most from this system. I am going suggest the same thing to you as I did 9thldoc.
Please read these books;
After you have done this, we can have a better discussion on this subject.
- American Aparthied
- Color of Law
- White Rage
- When Affirmative Action was White
- Racism Without Racists
- The New Jim Crow
When you figure out it's a class argument you should be making instead of a race one, we'll get somewhere... Until then... *shrugs*
Negative. Individuals have rights. Identities do not. Hate crimes and what not are only there to show "WHY" someone did something. It is especially heinous when someone commits a crime out of prejudice and bigotry. It has nothing to do with the identity itself. They are there to show that it's highly likely the person in question is not logical, and need extra time or perhaps education in which to regain their ability to come back to normal society.No, we'd have a better understanding if you read those books and stopped lying to yourself about how rights are not given to identities. That is not the way things are now and I am making the right argument. So we just won't be getting anywhere because you want to lie to yourself. Turn black and live for a decade, then come talk.
And now Black veterans get the same thing, so stop your whining. Whites got it done for you, to make you equals, so it took some time. Bite me.This is a bullshit excuse. Black veterans were denied. The information I posted is documented. It is not imaginary. You benefitted from the programs I have described. Again this thread is about special privileges whites have received.Black veterans were a very small minority of the veterans that served in WWII. Much smaller numbers of black veterans naturally means that smaller numbers will receive GI benefits of any sort. Black veterans had the same rights to benefits as whites.And most of you benefitted from it.
On June 22, 1944 President Roosevelt signed the Servicemen’s Readjustment Act, better known as the G.I. Bill. This law provided benefits for veterans returning from the second World War. Funds were paid for college tuition, low-cost home loans, and unemployment insurance. As in every other program during this time southern congressmen fought passage of these laws unless there were provisions that limited access to blacks. The G.I Bill was no different.
Democratic congressmen in the south fought against provisions of the GI Bill out of fear that returning black veterans might be able to use public support for their war effort to advocate against Jim Crow laws. Southern Democrats using the same tactics they used to make certain other policies in the New Deal helped as few Black people as possible, wanted benefits to be administered by the states. Mississippi Congressman John Rankin was the ringleader in that regard]. He and other Southern Democrats knew doing that would allow southern states to do what each state had been doing since the Civil Rights Cases. That would be states implementing policies full of loopholes and restrictions that would be enforced on blacks but not whites thereby ensuring the GI Bill would primarily benefit whites. Congress gave southern Democrats what they wanted.
How African American WWII Veterans Were Scorned By the G.I. Bill
This Veteran's Day, remembering some of our veterans who protected a country that did not protect them.How the GI Bill's Promise Was Denied to a Million Black WWII Veterans | HISTORY
The sweeping bill following World War II promised prosperity to veterans. So why didn’t Black Americans benefit?
Now before I have to hear you republicans sing that sad sorry lie about democrats, remember that republicans voted to give the southern democrats what they wanted. My father served in that war, he was from Louisiana and he did not get the benefits white soldiers got. This impacted my life and so when we speak about reparations, we're talking about policies like this and many others which came after slavery and do more so directly affect blacks living today.
When have you ever had unequal rights?
Why should I accept blame for things I had nothing to do with and may be entirely imaginary in any case?
Pathetic whining about ancient history in an effort to get special privileges.
I am 100 percent correct.Negative. Individuals have rights. Identities do not. Hate crimes and what not are only there to show "WHY" someone did something. It is especially harmonious when someone commutes a crime out of prejudice and bigotry. It has nothing to do with the identity itself.No, we'd have a better understanding if you read those books and stopped lying to yourself about how rights are not given to identities. That is not the way things are now and I am making the right argument. So we just won't be getting anywhere because you want to lie to yourself. Turn black and live for a decade, then come talk.
You are wrong.
Negative. You are not.I am 100 percent correct.
Negative. You are not.I am 100 percent correct.
*shrugs* Read the constitution. It says otherwise.Yes I am, the system shows I am, and the information I asked you to read proves that I am.
