Anchor baby law to be changed.

[Syriusly]

Texas is denying birth certificates- not citizenship.

Just going to cause problems for American citizens.

how is denying a birth certificate for an illegal going to cause a problem for a citizen.

Texas is not denying any birth certificates to illegal aliens- it is denying birth certificates to U.S. citizens.

Not exactly the intent of the 14th.
Don't think it was meant to allow the disease ridden trash from other countries to sneak across the border to plop their spawn.

The intent of the 14th Amendment is pretty clear from the wording- it is your problem if you don't like what the 14th Amendment says

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Don't like the Constitution? Then change it.

The intent was based on the thinking of those that wrote it. You can't determine their intent based on what you think it is.

The intent is clear from the language- if the writers of the 14th Amendment 'intended' it to say something other than what it says= they would - and should have written the Amendment to reflect their intention.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.


The language of the 14th Amendment has only two requirements

• Birth within the United States and
• born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

Who is not born in the United States- but not subject to the United States? Then it was Indians in sovereign nations, and children of diplomats.

Now it is children of diplomats.

 

[Syriusly]

Billy, billy, billy. LOL

At the very least there will have to be a scotus decision that would distinguish Wong Ark Kim from children born here to two parents neither of whom have legal status. And, frankly, I'm not sure that would be a bad thing.

It would take a pretty big stretch.

The 14th Amendment is very inclusive

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

So the only question is whether a child born to parents who are illegally in the United States is born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?

The court clearly answered the issue of 'subject to the jurisidction' in Plyler v. Doe- even the dissenting justices acknowledged that illegal aliens are subject to the jurisdiction as specified in the 14th Amendment.

I think it is very unlikely that the court would somehow rationalize that a child born within the United States is somehow subject to the laws of the United States- but not within the jurisdiction of the United States.

It also does not include the mother becoming a citizen the second the spawn is hatched.
So the choices the mother must face is, does she bring the spawn back to wherever she came from, or, does she leave it here in the care of social services to be adopted. If she takes it back it would be rightfully allowed to come back to the states when it turned 18.

Such a 'patriot'.......calling an American citizen 'spawn'.

We are not talking about citizens, we are talking about illegals.
See, that's the problem today, the left is mostly made up of illegals so they just don't understand how much damage they do.

LOL- such a "Patriot"! LOL- who assumes anyone who wants to actually treat Americans as Americans and according to the Constitution is an illegal.

Do you wipe your ass with the Constitution every time you post here?

 

[froggy]

Texas is denying birth certificates- not citizenship.

Just going to cause problems for American citizens.

how is denying a birth certificate for an illegal going to cause a problem for a citizen.

Texas is not denying any birth certificates to illegal aliens- it is denying birth certificates to U.S. citizens.

Not exactly the intent of the 14th.
Don't think it was meant to allow the disease ridden trash from other countries to sneak across the border to plop their spawn.

The intent of the 14th Amendment is pretty clear from the wording- it is your problem if you don't like what the 14th Amendment says

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Don't like the Constitution? Then change it.

The intent was based on the thinking of those that wrote it. You can't determine their intent based on what you think it is.

What do you do with the illegal parents of those incorrectly granted citizenship as a direct result of a crime? Do they get to stay? Does what you consider the intent of the 14th allow them to stay?

When the africians were freed thy were not citizens. It was so that their children would be citizens. The africians didn't sneek in here pregnant

 

[Maryland Patriot]

how is denying a birth certificate for an illegal going to cause a problem for a citizen.

Texas is not denying any birth certificates to illegal aliens- it is denying birth certificates to U.S. citizens.

Not exactly the intent of the 14th.
Don't think it was meant to allow the disease ridden trash from other countries to sneak across the border to plop their spawn.

The intent of the 14th Amendment is pretty clear from the wording- it is your problem if you don't like what the 14th Amendment says

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Don't like the Constitution? Then change it.

The intent was based on the thinking of those that wrote it. You can't determine their intent based on what you think it is.

The intent is clear from the language- if the writers of the 14th Amendment 'intended' it to say something other than what it says= they would - and should have written the Amendment to reflect their intention.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.


The language of the 14th Amendment has only two requirements

• Birth within the United States and
• born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

Who is not born in the United States- but not subject to the United States? Then it was Indians in sovereign nations, and children of diplomats.

Now it is children of diplomats.

so now the 14million illegals are all diplomats?

 

[Syriusly]

Billy, billy, billy. LOL

At the very least there will have to be a scotus decision that would distinguish Wong Ark Kim from children born here to two parents neither of whom have legal status. And, frankly, I'm not sure that would be a bad thing.

It would take a pretty big stretch.

The 14th Amendment is very inclusive

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

So the only question is whether a child born to parents who are illegally in the United States is born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?

The court clearly answered the issue of 'subject to the jurisidction' in Plyler v. Doe- even the dissenting justices acknowledged that illegal aliens are subject to the jurisdiction as specified in the 14th Amendment.

I think it is very unlikely that the court would somehow rationalize that a child born within the United States is somehow subject to the laws of the United States- but not within the jurisdiction of the United States.

I don't think there's much doubt that it's the minority view that a child born here is not a citizen, by virtue of being subject to the laws, because the parents were violating the laws by being here. The reality is the parents are very much subject to our laws. We can deport em. We can jail them for any crimes they commit here. We can make em pay taxes.

But what's interesting is the concepts of whether citizenship passes by virtue of where one is born, or to where the parents own their loyalty. Obama, despite the birther's wishes, was born in Hawaii to an American mom. End of story. (Now he may at heart be a muslim Kenyan Marxist socialist, but despite his not viewing America like us, he's an American. grrrrrr) But, what of Ted Cruz? US law says, he's in. So, really in saying Ted may not be a citizen, the Big Quack is flip flopping. LOL

lets not be so fast on giving Cruz the benefit of doubt. He deserves from the left the same treatment the non citizen obama gets from the right

LOL so you are a Birther too?

Why am I not surprised you are a Birther- Birthers are always such idiots.

 

[bendog]

.[/QUOTE]
so now the 14million illegals are all diplomats?[/QUOTE]
Down to just over ten million. They are self-deporting.

 

[Conservative65]

how is denying a birth certificate for an illegal going to cause a problem for a citizen.

Texas is not denying any birth certificates to illegal aliens- it is denying birth certificates to U.S. citizens.

Not exactly the intent of the 14th.
Don't think it was meant to allow the disease ridden trash from other countries to sneak across the border to plop their spawn.

The intent of the 14th Amendment is pretty clear from the wording- it is your problem if you don't like what the 14th Amendment says

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Don't like the Constitution? Then change it.

The intent was based on the thinking of those that wrote it. You can't determine their intent based on what you think it is.

and yet we can determine their intent when it comes to voting laws, gun rights, welfare etc...
Just not illegals. Do I have this pretty much correct here?

You're very confused.

One can read what those who passed voting laws, gun rights, welfare, etc. believed. What was written about the concept of illegal immigration? Was there even such a thing?

 

[Syriusly]

[
It'd be a lot easier to just make it harder for illegal aliens to get jobs and housing, and ramp up penalties for fining them and their employers.

Well that would be a practical and workable solution.

Nobody wants that when they can just whine about 'anchor babies'.

 

[Conservative65]

Glad to s

Billy, billy, billy. LOL

At the very least there will have to be a scotus decision that would distinguish Wong Ark Kim from children born here to two parents neither of whom have legal status. And, frankly, I'm not sure that would be a bad thing.

It would take a pretty big stretch.

The 14th Amendment is very inclusive

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

So the only question is whether a child born to parents who are illegally in the United States is born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?

The court clearly answered the issue of 'subject to the jurisidction' in Plyler v. Doe- even the dissenting justices acknowledged that illegal aliens are subject to the jurisdiction as specified in the 14th Amendment.

I think it is very unlikely that the court would somehow rationalize that a child born within the United States is somehow subject to the laws of the United States- but not within the jurisdiction of the United States.

I don't think there's much doubt that it's the minority view that a child born here is not a citizen, by virtue of being subject to the laws, because the parents were violating the laws by being here. The reality is the parents are very much subject to our laws. We can deport em. We can jail them for any crimes they commit here. We can make em pay taxes.

But what's interesting is the concepts of whether citizenship passes by virtue of where one is born, or to where the parents own their loyalty. Obama, despite the birther's wishes, was born in Hawaii to an American mom. End of story. (Now he may at heart be a muslim Kenyan Marxist socialist, but despite his not viewing America like us, he's an American. grrrrrr) But, what of Ted Cruz? US law says, he's in. So, really in saying Ted may not be a citizen, the Big Quack is flip flopping. LOL

lets not be so fast on giving Cruz the benefit of doubt. He deserves from the left the same treatment the non citizen obama gets from the right

LOL so you are a Birther too?

Why am I not surprised you are a Birther- Birthers are always such idiots.

Glad to see you consider Hillary an idiot since she was the birther originator.

 

[Syriusly]

Texas is not denying any birth certificates to illegal aliens- it is denying birth certificates to U.S. citizens.

Not exactly the intent of the 14th.
Don't think it was meant to allow the disease ridden trash from other countries to sneak across the border to plop their spawn.

The intent of the 14th Amendment is pretty clear from the wording- it is your problem if you don't like what the 14th Amendment says

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Don't like the Constitution? Then change it.

The intent was based on the thinking of those that wrote it. You can't determine their intent based on what you think it is.

The intent is clear from the language- if the writers of the 14th Amendment 'intended' it to say something other than what it says= they would - and should have written the Amendment to reflect their intention.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.


The language of the 14th Amendment has only two requirements

• Birth within the United States and
• born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

Who is not born in the United States- but not subject to the United States? Then it was Indians in sovereign nations, and children of diplomats.

Now it is children of diplomats.

so now the 14million illegals are all diplomats?

Wow- you are even stupider than I had thought.

 

[Conservative65]

[
It'd be a lot easier to just make it harder for illegal aliens to get jobs and housing, and ramp up penalties for fining them and their employers.

Well that would be a practical and workable solution.

Nobody wants that when they can just whine about 'anchor babies'.

So sad you consider not wanting to reward someone born here as a sole result of a crime being committed as whining.

 

[Syriusly]

Glad to s

Billy, billy, billy. LOL

At the very least there will have to be a scotus decision that would distinguish Wong Ark Kim from children born here to two parents neither of whom have legal status. And, frankly, I'm not sure that would be a bad thing.

It would take a pretty big stretch.

The 14th Amendment is very inclusive

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

So the only question is whether a child born to parents who are illegally in the United States is born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?

The court clearly answered the issue of 'subject to the jurisidction' in Plyler v. Doe- even the dissenting justices acknowledged that illegal aliens are subject to the jurisdiction as specified in the 14th Amendment.

I think it is very unlikely that the court would somehow rationalize that a child born within the United States is somehow subject to the laws of the United States- but not within the jurisdiction of the United States.

I don't think there's much doubt that it's the minority view that a child born here is not a citizen, by virtue of being subject to the laws, because the parents were violating the laws by being here. The reality is the parents are very much subject to our laws. We can deport em. We can jail them for any crimes they commit here. We can make em pay taxes.

But what's interesting is the concepts of whether citizenship passes by virtue of where one is born, or to where the parents own their loyalty. Obama, despite the birther's wishes, was born in Hawaii to an American mom. End of story. (Now he may at heart be a muslim Kenyan Marxist socialist, but despite his not viewing America like us, he's an American. grrrrrr) But, what of Ted Cruz? US law says, he's in. So, really in saying Ted may not be a citizen, the Big Quack is flip flopping. LOL

lets not be so fast on giving Cruz the benefit of doubt. He deserves from the left the same treatment the non citizen obama gets from the right

LOL so you are a Birther too?

Why am I not surprised you are a Birther- Birthers are always such idiots.

Glad to see you consider Hillary an idiot since she was the birther originator.

I love how Conservatives want to believe that Hilary is pulling Donald Trump's Birther strings.

 

[Conservative65]

Glad to s

It would take a pretty big stretch.

The 14th Amendment is very inclusive

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

So the only question is whether a child born to parents who are illegally in the United States is born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?

The court clearly answered the issue of 'subject to the jurisidction' in Plyler v. Doe- even the dissenting justices acknowledged that illegal aliens are subject to the jurisdiction as specified in the 14th Amendment.

I think it is very unlikely that the court would somehow rationalize that a child born within the United States is somehow subject to the laws of the United States- but not within the jurisdiction of the United States.

I don't think there's much doubt that it's the minority view that a child born here is not a citizen, by virtue of being subject to the laws, because the parents were violating the laws by being here. The reality is the parents are very much subject to our laws. We can deport em. We can jail them for any crimes they commit here. We can make em pay taxes.

But what's interesting is the concepts of whether citizenship passes by virtue of where one is born, or to where the parents own their loyalty. Obama, despite the birther's wishes, was born in Hawaii to an American mom. End of story. (Now he may at heart be a muslim Kenyan Marxist socialist, but despite his not viewing America like us, he's an American. grrrrrr) But, what of Ted Cruz? US law says, he's in. So, really in saying Ted may not be a citizen, the Big Quack is flip flopping. LOL

lets not be so fast on giving Cruz the benefit of doubt. He deserves from the left the same treatment the non citizen obama gets from the right

LOL so you are a Birther too?

Why am I not surprised you are a Birther- Birthers are always such idiots.

Glad to see you consider Hillary an idiot since she was the birther originator.

I love how Conservatives want to believe that Hilary is pulling Donald Trump's Birther strings.

I love how those who support Hillary won't give her credit for getting the whole thing started.

 

[Conservative65]

Not exactly the intent of the 14th.
Don't think it was meant to allow the disease ridden trash from other countries to sneak across the border to plop their spawn.

The intent of the 14th Amendment is pretty clear from the wording- it is your problem if you don't like what the 14th Amendment says

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Don't like the Constitution? Then change it.

The intent was based on the thinking of those that wrote it. You can't determine their intent based on what you think it is.

The intent is clear from the language- if the writers of the 14th Amendment 'intended' it to say something other than what it says= they would - and should have written the Amendment to reflect their intention.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.


The language of the 14th Amendment has only two requirements

• Birth within the United States and
• born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

Who is not born in the United States- but not subject to the United States? Then it was Indians in sovereign nations, and children of diplomats.

Now it is children of diplomats.

so now the 14million illegals are all diplomats?

Wow- you are even stupider than I had thought.

You pick your candidates by skin color and reproductive organ then call someone else stupid.

 

[Syriusly]

[
It'd be a lot easier to just make it harder for illegal aliens to get jobs and housing, and ramp up penalties for fining them and their employers.

Well that would be a practical and workable solution.

Nobody wants that when they can just whine about 'anchor babies'.

So sad you consider not wanting to reward someone born here as a sole result of a crime being committed as whining.

Oh those of you who wish to ignore the Constitution, and pretend that by whining about American citizens, rather than illegal immigrants are indeed just whining.

 

[bendog]

[
It'd be a lot easier to just make it harder for illegal aliens to get jobs and housing, and ramp up penalties for fining them and their employers.

Well that would be a practical and workable solution.

Nobody wants that when they can just whine about 'anchor babies'.

So sad you consider not wanting to reward someone born here as a sole result of a crime being committed as whining.

Actually, since the likelihood of changing birthright citizenship via either a court case or amendment is virtually zero, doing anything to make the situation more acceptable than it is would be a positive. Although I realize people like you would prefer to drown that take an objectionable flotation device.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Texas can't change the constitution .

No need.... nowhere in the U.S. Constitution does it state that people born here of non-citizen parents are automatically a U.S. citizen. That's just dumb.. do you rubes really think if a pregnant American couple visiting Paris have their baby there that that baby is automatically a French citizen?

REALLY??????????

 

[Conservative65]

how is denying a birth certificate for an illegal going to cause a problem for a citizen.

Texas is not denying any birth certificates to illegal aliens- it is denying birth certificates to U.S. citizens.

Not exactly the intent of the 14th.
Don't think it was meant to allow the disease ridden trash from other countries to sneak across the border to plop their spawn.

The intent of the 14th Amendment is pretty clear from the wording- it is your problem if you don't like what the 14th Amendment says

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Don't like the Constitution? Then change it.

The intent was based on the thinking of those that wrote it. You can't determine their intent based on what you think it is.

What do you do with the illegal parents of those incorrectly granted citizenship as a direct result of a crime? Do they get to stay? Does what you consider the intent of the 14th allow them to stay?

When the africians were freed thy were not citizens. It was so that their children would be citizens. The africians didn't sneek in here pregnant

That was a primary intent of the 14th Amendment not to let someone born here as a result of his/her parents sneaking in and committing a crime.

 

[Syriusly]

Glad to s

I don't think there's much doubt that it's the minority view that a child born here is not a citizen, by virtue of being subject to the laws, because the parents were violating the laws by being here. The reality is the parents are very much subject to our laws. We can deport em. We can jail them for any crimes they commit here. We can make em pay taxes.

But what's interesting is the concepts of whether citizenship passes by virtue of where one is born, or to where the parents own their loyalty. Obama, despite the birther's wishes, was born in Hawaii to an American mom. End of story. (Now he may at heart be a muslim Kenyan Marxist socialist, but despite his not viewing America like us, he's an American. grrrrrr) But, what of Ted Cruz? US law says, he's in. So, really in saying Ted may not be a citizen, the Big Quack is flip flopping. LOL

lets not be so fast on giving Cruz the benefit of doubt. He deserves from the left the same treatment the non citizen obama gets from the right

LOL so you are a Birther too?

Why am I not surprised you are a Birther- Birthers are always such idiots.

Glad to see you consider Hillary an idiot since she was the birther originator.

I love how Conservatives want to believe that Hilary is pulling Donald Trump's Birther strings.

I love how those who support Hillary won't give her credit for getting the whole thing started.

LOL- Hilary's puppet!

 

[Conservative65]

[
It'd be a lot easier to just make it harder for illegal aliens to get jobs and housing, and ramp up penalties for fining them and their employers.

Well that would be a practical and workable solution.

Nobody wants that when they can just whine about 'anchor babies'.

So sad you consider not wanting to reward someone born here as a sole result of a crime being committed as whining.

Actually, since the likelihood of changing birthright citizenship via either a court case or amendment is virtually zero, doing anything to make the situation more acceptable than it is would be a positive. Although I realize people like you would prefer to drown that take an objectionable flotation device.

I have an idea. Send then illegal parents back if the kid gets to stay then let the kid sink or swim on his/her own because the country doesn't owe them shit.