Anti-homeschooling bill defeated in California

[SassyIrishLass]

Just keep your noses out of it government. Just more government over reach and privacy intrusion

SACRAMENTO —They came by the hundreds, perhaps thousands, easily exceeding the capacity of the legislative committee hearing room and making their presence felt throughout the State Capitol. And at the end of a very long day, homeschooling families scored a major victory — defeat of a bill with serious privacy and safety implications.

For more than three hours, families and freedom advocates streamed in front of microphones to state their opposition to California State Assembly Bill 2756. Pacific Justice Institute was also represented and voiced its opposition. Large numbers of opponents made the trek from Southern California, the Bay Area, and every other part of the state. The opponents included a number of professionals, state-credentialed teachers, and self-described progressives and liberal Democrats.

Anti-homeschooling bill defeated in California

So, we should allow children to be educated by dumbass uneducated people? Really?

What kind of parent thinks they know enough?

There are over 1.5 million homeschooled children and the numbers are growing. They do just as well as public schooled in testing

You avoided my question. What makes you think parents are qualified? Why isn't there certification?

They must be if their students are performing as well as public educated students. In some cases much better.

It's none of your business how a parent chooses to educate THEIR child, none

And yet, no evidence provided to back up that assertion, Mal.

( I will add.....what do you think public school students would do if they had 1 to 1 or 2 to 1 or 3 to 1 assess with their teacher?)

Google is your friend, shit for brains.

It's none of your business how a parent chooses to educate their child either. So stuff it

 

[martybegan]

maybe if political indoctrination was removed from schools people would be more OK with sending their kids there.

What political indoctrination is that? And let us remember that public schools reflect the people who send their children there. They have to with local school boards and county offices of education making most of the decisions....with states providing curriculums that have to be followed.

School boards only reflect the most active parents, and in some places have very little actual power.

Liberal Bias Starts Long Before College

One mom took to social media to display her daughter’s fill-in-the-blank vocabulary quiz that sported questions such as, “It was difficult for me to [blank] my feeling when I learned that Donald J. Trump had been voted in as our 45th President” and “After reading about President Trump’s immigration ban, I did not realize how [blank] the law can be.” More parents at an upscale school in Chicago pushed back when the administration sought to have an all-school social justice day with events such as “Developing a Positive, Accountable White Activism for Racial Civil Rights.” These stories are everywhere, but how many websites, organizations, or network television shows are as dedicated to shedding light on these issues as they are to revealing the issues present on college campuses? None as far as I know.

So you are quoting a biased source as proof of a bias in schools.

Wow Marty, you did get even more dumber than you were yesterday.

It links to examples.

But you ignore them to just give a standard prog response.

Sock-bitch.

Poor widdle Marty.

I am right & you know it.

'How about examples on your claim?

The links are in the article, if you are too lazy to do it yourself, you aren't worth the effort.

 

[bodecea]

It would figure that California would try to kill public school alternatives.

It isn't. That's a lie.

 

[martybegan]

Vouchers fix all of that. Give the kid a check, spend at a public school, private school or keep it yourself to home school.

Vouchers are how people want taxpayers to pay them to teach their religion to their children at home. Not all but most, that is how the whole home schooling thing got started.

No problem with teaching your kids at home just don't ask the taxpayers to pay you like a public school teacher. You aren't.

maybe if political indoctrination was removed from schools people would be more OK with sending their kids there.

What political indoctrination is that? And let us remember that public schools reflect the people who send their children there. They have to with local school boards and county offices of education making most of the decisions....with states providing curriculums that have to be followed.

School boards only reflect the most active parents, and in some places have very little actual power.

Liberal Bias Starts Long Before College

One mom took to social media to display her daughter’s fill-in-the-blank vocabulary quiz that sported questions such as, “It was difficult for me to [blank] my feeling when I learned that Donald J. Trump had been voted in as our 45th President” and “After reading about President Trump’s immigration ban, I did not realize how [blank] the law can be.” More parents at an upscale school in Chicago pushed back when the administration sought to have an all-school social justice day with events such as “Developing a Positive, Accountable White Activism for Racial Civil Rights.” These stories are everywhere, but how many websites, organizations, or network television shows are as dedicated to shedding light on these issues as they are to revealing the issues present on college campuses? None as far as I know.

EXACTLY!!!!! I'm glad you recognize that it's all about the ACTIVE parents. If you aren't active, you have no right to whine.

But if I'm fucking paying for it I sure as hell do.

 

[Foxfyre]

Nothing wrong with home schooling. Nothing wrong with private schools.....What's wrong is places like that homeschooling couple in Perris.....and any private school run by Lester Roloff or his ilk.

The exceptions rather than the rule, just as some teachers have been found to be predators. They are the exception rather than the rule.

In this age of non critical thinking, the trend seems to be to find ONE example out of hundreds to hold up as the example of why something should or should not be. And that kind of argument is not only dishonest, it is just plain dumb. That a private school sucks is no argument against private or parochial schools as most do at least as good a job as the public schools and many do a much better job.

That an occasional kid is home schooled badly is not any kind of argument in favor of public schools when hundred of thousands of home schooled kids are not only being competently educated, but many/most are surpassing their peers in the public schools. Maybe we should point out all the poorly educated kids in the public schools as an argument for discontinuing public schools? Sometimes the conversation gets that silly.

We can argue whether the state should have power to require that all children have opportunity to be educated--I personally don't think that is a bad idea--but it should never have the power to dictate HOW they are to be educated. I'm a bit surprised that California actually did something right for a change by ruling on the side of home schooling for those who want that.

 

[bodecea]

So, we should allow children to be educated by dumbass uneducated people? Really?

What kind of parent thinks they know enough?

There are over 1.5 million homeschooled children and the numbers are growing. They do just as well as public schooled in testing

You avoided my question. What makes you think parents are qualified? Why isn't there certification?

They must be if their students are performing as well as public educated students. In some cases much better.

It's none of your business how a parent chooses to educate THEIR child, none

And yet, no evidence provided to back up that assertion, Mal.

( I will add.....what do you think public school students would do if they had 1 to 1 or 2 to 1 or 3 to 1 assess with their teacher?)

Google is your friend, shit for brains.

It's none of your business how a parent chooses to educate their child either. So stuff it

I am not the one who made the claim, Mal.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The more fanatical red states have started voting to have taxpayer money paid to homeschooling parents. Home school if you want but pay for it yourself. Stop asking the public to pad your bank account.

I'd be fine with that and in return homeschooling parents can be exempt from paying taxes to to the public school system.

No...because we as a society all benefit from public schools even if our own kids don't go or we don't have kids....just like we all pay into roads we may never drive on or police/fire personnel we may never use.

Or wars of choice!

 

[Wry Catcher]

Oh, they'll just pass it by decree. Gotta keep those kids learning about fisting and how guns are evil.

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yes, everyone should be as stupid as trump trolls. right?

can't have kids actually getting an education. must tell them the environment will be healed by G-d, right?

Education? The schools are turning out functional morons faster then you can count,

How did you become a non functional moron?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

There are over 1.5 million homeschooled children and the numbers are growing. They do just as well as public schooled in testing

You avoided my question. What makes you think parents are qualified? Why isn't there certification?

They must be if their students are performing as well as public educated students. In some cases much better.

It's none of your business how a parent chooses to educate THEIR child, none

And yet, no evidence provided to back up that assertion, Mal.

( I will add.....what do you think public school students would do if they had 1 to 1 or 2 to 1 or 3 to 1 assess with their teacher?)

Google is your friend, shit for brains.

It's none of your business how a parent chooses to educate their child either. So stuff it

I am not the one who made the claim, Mal.

And I don't take direction from you, bone head.

Now what's your plan?

 

[bodecea]

Vouchers are how people want taxpayers to pay them to teach their religion to their children at home. Not all but most, that is how the whole home schooling thing got started.

No problem with teaching your kids at home just don't ask the taxpayers to pay you like a public school teacher. You aren't.

maybe if political indoctrination was removed from schools people would be more OK with sending their kids there.

What political indoctrination is that? And let us remember that public schools reflect the people who send their children there. They have to with local school boards and county offices of education making most of the decisions....with states providing curriculums that have to be followed.

School boards only reflect the most active parents, and in some places have very little actual power.

Liberal Bias Starts Long Before College

One mom took to social media to display her daughter’s fill-in-the-blank vocabulary quiz that sported questions such as, “It was difficult for me to [blank] my feeling when I learned that Donald J. Trump had been voted in as our 45th President” and “After reading about President Trump’s immigration ban, I did not realize how [blank] the law can be.” More parents at an upscale school in Chicago pushed back when the administration sought to have an all-school social justice day with events such as “Developing a Positive, Accountable White Activism for Racial Civil Rights.” These stories are everywhere, but how many websites, organizations, or network television shows are as dedicated to shedding light on these issues as they are to revealing the issues present on college campuses? None as far as I know.

EXACTLY!!!!! I'm glad you recognize that it's all about the ACTIVE parents. If you aren't active, you have no right to whine.

But if I'm fucking paying for it I sure as hell do.

Yes...we all pay for public schools....if you want your local schools to be a certain way, you have to be active....talk to the school board...run for the school board....become a teacher (tho teachers have very little power).

 

[bodecea]

You avoided my question. What makes you think parents are qualified? Why isn't there certification?

They must be if their students are performing as well as public educated students. In some cases much better.

It's none of your business how a parent chooses to educate THEIR child, none

And yet, no evidence provided to back up that assertion, Mal.

( I will add.....what do you think public school students would do if they had 1 to 1 or 2 to 1 or 3 to 1 assess with their teacher?)

Google is your friend, shit for brains.

It's none of your business how a parent chooses to educate their child either. So stuff it

I am not the one who made the claim, Mal.

And I don't take direction from you, bone head.

Now what's your plan?

Never said you did take directions from me, Mal. You make a choice to not be believable by making assertions you can't back up. Simple.

 

[DrLove]

Not to worry then Sassy - Nobody is going to take away your "degree" from Cletus University

 

[Wry Catcher]

The more fanatical red states have started voting to have taxpayer money paid to homeschooling parents. Home school if you want but pay for it yourself. Stop asking the public to pad your bank account.

I'd be fine with that and in return homeschooling parents can be exempt from paying taxes to to the public school system.

Sorry taxes don't work that way. Don't ever call the cops or the fire department? Cool, you pay anyway.

Nice try.

Vouchers fix all of that. Give the kid a check, spend at a public school, private school or keep it yourself to home school.

Vouchers are an attack on public education, just as the attempts by the Social Conservative's efforts to foster their beliefs on children by packing school boards and rewriting history.

 

[DrLove]

Education? The schools are turning out functional morons faster then you can count,

In Texas? Yes - I rate this "Mostly True"

 

[miketx]

Oh, they'll just pass it by decree. Gotta keep those kids learning about fisting and how guns are evil.

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yes, everyone should be as stupid as trump trolls. right?

can't have kids actually getting an education. must tell them the environment will be healed by G-d, right?

Education? The schools are turning out functional morons faster then you can count,

How did you become a non functional moron?

I'm not. How did you become a lying trash lib?

 

[bodecea]

The more fanatical red states have started voting to have taxpayer money paid to homeschooling parents. Home school if you want but pay for it yourself. Stop asking the public to pad your bank account.

I'd be fine with that and in return homeschooling parents can be exempt from paying taxes to to the public school system.

Sorry taxes don't work that way. Don't ever call the cops or the fire department? Cool, you pay anyway.

Nice try.

Vouchers fix all of that. Give the kid a check, spend at a public school, private school or keep it yourself to home school.

Vouchers are an attack on public education, just as the attempts by the Social Conservative's efforts to foster their beliefs on children by packing school boards and rewriting history.

Actually, vouchers aren't that bad a thing on the face of it.....but let's remember that private schools get to pick and choose who they accept. Will the parent of a special ed student be able to use a voucher? How about the parent of a behavior issue? Will private schools accept them? Provide them with services? They don't have to. How about we give public schools the power that private schools already have....the power of Choice. Public schools should get to choose who they accept and who they keep.

 

[Foxfyre]

maybe if political indoctrination was removed from schools people would be more OK with sending their kids there.

What political indoctrination is that? And let us remember that public schools reflect the people who send their children there. They have to with local school boards and county offices of education making most of the decisions....with states providing curriculums that have to be followed.

School boards only reflect the most active parents, and in some places have very little actual power.

Liberal Bias Starts Long Before College

One mom took to social media to display her daughter’s fill-in-the-blank vocabulary quiz that sported questions such as, “It was difficult for me to [blank] my feeling when I learned that Donald J. Trump had been voted in as our 45th President” and “After reading about President Trump’s immigration ban, I did not realize how [blank] the law can be.” More parents at an upscale school in Chicago pushed back when the administration sought to have an all-school social justice day with events such as “Developing a Positive, Accountable White Activism for Racial Civil Rights.” These stories are everywhere, but how many websites, organizations, or network television shows are as dedicated to shedding light on these issues as they are to revealing the issues present on college campuses? None as far as I know.

EXACTLY!!!!! I'm glad you recognize that it's all about the ACTIVE parents. If you aren't active, you have no right to whine.

But if I'm fucking paying for it I sure as hell do.

Yes...we all pay for public schools....if you want your local schools to be a certain way, you have to be active....talk to the school board...run for the school board....become a teacher (tho teachers have very little power).

The lone voice of reason in a sea of progressive activist mentality doesn't get heard much. If it is too loud, it is generally forcibly silenced. "Non-progressive thought need not apply." The schools didn't become mostly indoctrination institutions overnight and it is unlikely that can be changed overnight. It can be changed but it will require as much determined effort as the progressives put into it in order to dominate U.S. education.

 

[bodecea]

What political indoctrination is that? And let us remember that public schools reflect the people who send their children there. They have to with local school boards and county offices of education making most of the decisions....with states providing curriculums that have to be followed.

School boards only reflect the most active parents, and in some places have very little actual power.

Liberal Bias Starts Long Before College

One mom took to social media to display her daughter’s fill-in-the-blank vocabulary quiz that sported questions such as, “It was difficult for me to [blank] my feeling when I learned that Donald J. Trump had been voted in as our 45th President” and “After reading about President Trump’s immigration ban, I did not realize how [blank] the law can be.” More parents at an upscale school in Chicago pushed back when the administration sought to have an all-school social justice day with events such as “Developing a Positive, Accountable White Activism for Racial Civil Rights.” These stories are everywhere, but how many websites, organizations, or network television shows are as dedicated to shedding light on these issues as they are to revealing the issues present on college campuses? None as far as I know.

EXACTLY!!!!! I'm glad you recognize that it's all about the ACTIVE parents. If you aren't active, you have no right to whine.

But if I'm fucking paying for it I sure as hell do.

Yes...we all pay for public schools....if you want your local schools to be a certain way, you have to be active....talk to the school board...run for the school board....become a teacher (tho teachers have very little power).

The lone voice of reason in a sea of progressive activist mentality doesn't get heard much. If it is too loud, it is generally silenced. The schools didn't become mostly indoctrination institutions overnight and it is unlikely that can be changed overnight. It can be changed but it will require as much determined effort as the progressives put into it in order to dominate U.S. education.

So, you are complaining that the minority in a school district doesn't get their way? If your ideas are so great, why are you not in the majority? Why can't you convince people to vote for you on a school board....why can't you convince a school board to go with your ideas?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Not to worry then Sassy - Nobody is going to take away your "degree" from Cletus University

Get on topic and cease trolling me.

Then choke on this....home schooled students kick your precious public schooled student's ass. You jack wads just can't fathom you can't get your grimy paws on them

In 2014, around 1.7 million students (mostly high school juniors and seniors) participated in the SAT exam. Administered by the College Board, the SAT is a reasoning test that assesses college-bound students in three main subjects: critical reading, mathematics, and writing. The SAT and the ACT are considered to make up the vast majority of college entrance exams for American students.

NHERI found that 13,549 home school seniors participated in the 2014 SAT. Of those seniors, home schoolers scored an average of 567 in critical reading, 521 in mathematics, and 535 in writing. In comparison, the average SAT scores for all 2014 high school seniors were 497 in critical reading, 513 in mathematics, and 487 in writing.

How Today’s Homeschoolers are Doing on the SAT

 

[evenflow1969]

Just keep your noses out of it government. Just more government over reach and privacy intrusion

SACRAMENTO —They came by the hundreds, perhaps thousands, easily exceeding the capacity of the legislative committee hearing room and making their presence felt throughout the State Capitol. And at the end of a very long day, homeschooling families scored a major victory — defeat of a bill with serious privacy and safety implications.

For more than three hours, families and freedom advocates streamed in front of microphones to state their opposition to California State Assembly Bill 2756. Pacific Justice Institute was also represented and voiced its opposition. Large numbers of opponents made the trek from Southern California, the Bay Area, and every other part of the state. The opponents included a number of professionals, state-credentialed teachers, and self-described progressives and liberal Democrats.

Anti-homeschooling bill defeated in California

I am on the fence! I am seeing some kids being taught by some pretty stupid parents. The poor kids do not have a prayer! Of course doging bullets to get to school would not be fun either! I guess it boils down to how stupid is the parent and how bad is the school. Kids are normally better off dealing with other kids their age. They need to find out that the world does not just hand over the juice box like mom does!