Antifa/BLM are the Democrat Brownshirt shock troops?

[Stryder50]

Nope.

Your;
Delusion
Ignorance
Enabling
... or all three.

 

[Stryder50]

A couple of years dated, but still relevant.

For Five Months, BLM Protestors Trashed America’s Cities. After the Election, Things May Only Get Worse​

Nov 6, 2020
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This week marks the first time in living memory that widespread violence was widely viewed as a foreseeable, and even expected, outcome of an American national election. The votes are being counted just days after riots broke out in Philadelphia, causing the governor to deploy the National Guard in the largest city of a key battleground state. Since June, in fact, such scenes have been a common phenomenon in dozens of American cities.

The Transition Integrity Project (TIP), a group that has opposed Donald Trump, ran simulations that foresee disruptions caused by pro-Trump actors. “During TIP’s exercises, Team Biden almost always called for and relied on mass protests to demonstrate the public’s commitment to a ‘legitimate outcome,’ with the objective of hardening the resolve of Democratic elected officials,” the group (somewhat predictably) reported.

On the other side of the spectrum, the Texas Public Policy Foundation (TPPF) and the Claremont Institute cast TIP’s prediction as a “candid admission of the high likelihood of Team Biden encouraging street demonstrations that might spiral out of control.” The Claremont-TPPF’s own simulation concluded that left-wing street violence was a near-certainty, and accused TIP organizers of coordinating strategically with Black Lives Matter and Antifa.

In other words, both sides predict violence—but each sees the threat through its own political lens.

Last month’s arrest of 13 men accused of trying to kidnap the governor of Michigan—including an alleged white supremacist (who’s also apparently a Trump-hating anarchist)—reminds us that the threat from right-wing groups is real, as the media reminds us often and eagerly. But the sustained, often violent street actions that have been a recurring feature of American urban life in 2020 have been almost entirely driven by left-wing protestors.

>>> The Plot to Change America

And when it comes to these organizations, including Black Lives Matter, Antifa, and the newer splinter groups that mimic their tactics, the media often seems to take their social-justice posturing at face value. In the current media environment, left-of-center actors who claim to represent the cause of the oppressed are granted more moral license to use violence as a political tool.

In September, two reports were published—one shedding light on the methods and beliefs of Black Lives Matter activists, and the other analyzing the possibility that such violence will not only be sustained in coming months, but get worse.

Neither report has received much in the way of media attention, which is unfortunate, because the information they contain shows that the threat of violence won’t end with the election of a new president. In fact, all of the leading left-wing groups calling for disruptive street protests (or worse) have made demands in which they explicitly reject one or more basic elements of the American social contract that are supported by both mainstream Democrats and Republicans—including capitalism, race-neutrality, the right of a society to police itself, and even democracy itself.
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But six percent of a big number is a big number. While it may be true, as the authors announce prominently on the second page of their report, that “over 10,100 of the [10,600-plus demonstration events]—or nearly 95 percent—involve[d] peaceful protesters,” that leaves more than 500 events that involved violence. Buried inside the ACLED report, as enterprising journalist Joy Pullmann of the Federalist discovered, are numbers indicating that “of the 633 incidents coded [by the ACLED authors] as riots, 88 percent are recorded as involving Black Lives Matter activists. Data for 51 incidents lack information about the perpetrators’ identities. BLM activists were involved in 95 percent of the riots for which there is information about the perpetrators’ affiliation.”

This confirmed what an informed American could already have inferred—that the demonstrations and subsequent violence were less spontaneous than the media let on, and were connected to the explicitly radical political beliefs embraced by the most prominent groups. Even the New York Times conceded in July that “one of the reasons there have been protests in so many places in the United States is the backing of organizations like Black Lives Matter,” and “while the group isn’t necessarily directing each protest, it provides materials, guidance and a framework for new activists.”
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Socialist and anarchist groups have created a growing online structure that serves to support violence, especially against law-enforcement, the authors conclude. Their data indicate that “the appearance of posts with anti-police outrage and/or memes and coded language increased over 1,000% on Twitter and 300% on Reddit in recent months during social justice protests.” In Seattle, groups with a radicalized collectivist agenda even managed to carve out a de facto autonomous zone for several weeks, before it collapsed into chaos and violent crime.

Common themes in the emerging constellation of radical groups include apocalyptic beliefs, a “utopian” political agenda, martyr narratives, and a cell-based organizational structure. “Many of the features of anarcho-socialist extremism seem to parallel the key tactical structures documented in libertarian-anarchist and Jihadi extremism,” they note, including the “use of memes, cloistering in fringe and private online forums, and organizing militias… These data hint that insurgent behavior, stochastic terror and even attacks on vital infrastructure may be fomenting, and even indicate the possibility of a mass-casualty event.”
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Most Americans, whether Republicans or Democrats, don’t want violence. BLM’s Marxist roots and violent methods don’t reflect mainstream progressives (or Black Americans, for that matter) any more than extreme right-wing groups reflect mainstream conservatives. But one would not know this based on the skewed way that these groups are reported on. Surely, it is no slur on social justice or racial equality to point out that radical, often violent anti-capitalist, anti-democratic groups inspired by communist dictators do not have America’s best interests at heart.

If that’s something public figures aren’t allowed to say, for fear of insulting BLM and its supporters, then we have little hope of making a sustained and bipartisan moral case against street violence—not just in the shadow of this election, but in all those that follow.
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For Five Months, BLM Protestors Trashed America’s Cities. After the Election, Things May Only Get Worse

This week marks the first time in living memory that widespread violence was widely viewed as a foreseeable, and even expected, outcome of an American national election.

www.heritage.org

 

[Coyote]

God damn you are one fucking moron.

Oh my….my feelings are crushed. Well, maybe not much. Ok. Not at all. It’s the sort of statement I expect from the delusional right who appear to know little of history beyond what they like to make up to so they can feel good about themselves and can fit on a bumper sticker.

Disclaimer: the term “delusional right” applies only to a subgroup of the rightwing that has shown a marked tendency to rewrite history or ignore it entirely in order to justify their feelings of persecution and create a false narrative of ideological heroics.

 

[multivita-man]

In 1964 southern Democrats waged the longest fillabuster in USA history to try to stop The Civil Rights Act.
A few northern Democrats worked with Republicans to finally end the fillabuter.

Although Johnson signed it Democrats lost their electoral power for a generation.

All the racist names one hears were all Democrats.

Bull Conner
George Wallace
Etc.

Trivia question: Why are all the Southern states that used to be Democratic, now Republican?

 

[Coyote]

Bad enough they stormed several cities and occupied for several weeks.
BLM and Antifa caused far more damage, costs, and violence and was closer to a real insurrection.

No. It wasn’t. They were a thousands of protests across the country over police brutality, some of which turned violent, became riots and caused a great deal of damage. Those instigating violence included Antifa and Proud Boys by the way. IMO, authorities in some cities let it go on too long and far and are paying for it in elections.

Actors in the January 6 riot/insurrection included:
Thousands(the vast majority) who attended the rally but stopped short of attacking the Capitol. These are the peaceful protestors.

Approximately a thousand who stormed the Capitol, attacked police, and shattered windows, broke down doors to stop the certification of the election….these are insurrectionists. It isn’t that difficult.

The moment you lay a hand on an officer or destroy property you quit being a peaceful protester.

Whether or not it is an insurrection depends on intent.

insurrection

1. an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and…

dictionary.cambridge.org

…an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and take control of their country, usually by violence:

 

[Coyote]

In 1964 southern Democrats waged the longest fillabuster in USA history to try to stop The Civil Rights Act.

The Democrats were divided, with a northern, liberal wing and southern conservative wing which supported slavery and the subsequent curtailments of post war freedom such as Jim Crowe.

Political parties want power (voters). They are often willing to give up ideological principles to gain or keep it.

A few northern Democrats worked with Republicans to finally end the fillabuter.

Although Johnson signed it Democrats lost their electoral power for a generation.

All the racist names one hears were all Democrats.

Bull Conner
George Wallace
Etc.

Agree. And they were all conservatives in regions that are still conservative today.

Political parties change. The Republican and Democrat parties of then are not the parties of today.

 

[2aguy]

cause now the Klan and the racist turned Republican.

Nope.....the racists all stayed in the democrat party

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

cause now the Klan and the racist turned Republican.

Much of the KKK still vote democrat.
Democrats are the neo-racists. Black democrats self-segregate and identify as black first and white democrats are the true white supremacists as they believe blacks are inherently inferior and need their sympathy and help. And white democrats live and play around other white democrats only.
Democrats are the party of overt and systematic racism.

 

[B. Kidd]

Given the special treatment they got in 2020, it was like the liberal equivalent of Kristallnacht. For Whites.

Maduro is jealous that they didn't immigrate to Venezuela!!

 

[Coyote]

Mng

Much of the KKK still vote democrat.

Link?

 

[Coyote]

Post Civil War Southern "conservatives" (modern CINOs) whom supported the Democrat Party for decades afterward.

Now you are trying to redefine conservatives to whitewash your ideology.

 

[Billiejeens]

I think the Proud Boys, Oathkeepers and One Percenters more closely fit the definition of Brownshirts.

Because you're retarded.

 

[Billiejeens]

The Democrats were divided, with a northern, liberal wing and southern conservative wing which supported slavery and the subsequent curtailments of post war freedom such as Jim Crowe.

Political parties want power (voters). They are often willing to give up ideological principles to gain or keep it.



Agree. And they were all conservatives in regions that are still conservative today.

Political parties change. The Republican and Democrat parties of then are not the parties of today.

They are.

 

[Billiejeens]

Oh my….my feelings are crushed. Well, maybe not much. Ok. Not at all. It’s the sort of statement I expect from the delusional right who appear to know little of history beyond what they like to make up to so they can feel good about themselves and can fit on a bumper sticker.

Disclaimer: the term “delusional right” applies only to a subgroup of the rightwing that has shown a marked tendency to rewrite history or ignore it entirely in order to justify their feelings of persecution and create a false narrative of ideological heroics.

You're certainly delusional.

 

[Stryder50]

No. It wasn’t. They were a thousands of protests across the country over police brutality, some of which turned violent, became riots and caused a great deal of damage. Those instigating violence included Antifa and Proud Boys by the way. IMO, authorities in some cities let it go on too long and far and are paying for it in elections.

Actors in the January 6 riot/insurrection included:
Thousands(the vast majority) who attended the rally but stopped short of attacking the Capitol. These are the peaceful protestors.

Approximately a thousand who stormed the Capitol, attacked police, and shattered windows, broke down doors to stop the certification of the election….these are insurrectionists. It isn’t that difficult.

The moment you lay a hand on an officer or destroy property you quit being a peaceful protester.

Whether or not it is an insurrection depends on intent.

insurrection

1. an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and…

dictionary.cambridge.org

…an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and take control of their country, usually by violence:

The Jan 6 occupiers weren't armed nor had armed support of any parts of the military. They weren't about changing or redoing the Constitution nor did any of those in the building claim they the ones whom should be holding any office.
You are making a very subjective and partisan interpretation that fits your bias and prejudice.
Again, three hours does not match with several weeks of effort at insurrection.

 

[Coyote]

The Jan 6 occupiers weren't armed nor had armed support of any parts of the military. They weren't about changing or redoing the Constitution nor did any of those in the building claim they the ones whom should be holding any office.
You are making a very subjective and partisan interpretation that fits your bias and prejudice.
Again, three hours does not match with several weeks of effort at insurrection.

Nothing subjective about the violence I saw and the injuries inflicted on the police. Nothing subjective about the words from the participants either.

Three hours or three weeks means nothing.

It only took minutes to kill President Kennedy.

 

[Lesh]

The Jan 6 occupiers weren't armed nor had armed support of any parts of the military. They weren't about changing or redoing the Constitution nor did any of those in the building claim they the ones whom should be holding any office.
You are making a very subjective and partisan interpretation that fits your bias and prejudice.
Again, three hours does not match with several weeks of effort at insurrection.

They were about stopping a lawful election and forcing the WRONG person into the White House.

That is absolutely and insurrection

 

[Lesh]

The Jan 6 occupiers weren't armed nor had armed support of any parts of the military. They weren't about changing or redoing the Constitution nor did any of those in the building claim they the ones whom should be holding any office.
You are making a very subjective and partisan interpretation that fits your bias and prejudice.
Again, three hours does not match with several weeks of effort at insurrection.

The riots that occurred in the summer of 2020 had no relation to nor were they an excuse for the Jan 6 attack on the Capitol.

That’s just horse shit

 

[Stryder50]

Nothing subjective about the violence I saw and the injuries inflicted on the police. Nothing subjective about the words from the participants either.

Three hours or three weeks means nothing.

It only took minutes to kill President Kennedy.

And it took four years to subdue the CSA.
There was no threat or potential for death to any one elected and using that building.
Subjective is focusing all on those of Jan.6 and next to nothing on Summer 2020. But Leftists near admit to wrong doing or crimes, so not surprised.

 

[Lesh]

And it took four years to subdue the CSA.
There was no threat or potential for death to any one elected and using that building.
Subjective is focusing all on those of Jan.6 and next to nothing on Summer 2020. But Leftists near admit to wrong doing or crimes, so not surprised.

I wonder why all those lawmakers were running for their lives then?

Hell Cruz was hiding in a closet