Are Blacks More Racist Than Whites? Most Americans Say Yes

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I'm not the one who said anything about an ambush. Learn to read. I pity you because you are dumb. .For example when a white person tries to diss a black person for being angry, this is saying that you have no right to be angry about what we do to you because we are superior to you. And you are too dumb to see how racist that really is.

So while you move along in classic valley girl fashion at age 60 something while ignoring all the racism posted here in these forums while telling us how its all in the past, don't be as dumb to think we have no right to be angry about the racism we still see .going on.

Because Humone has posted 4 essays justifying white supremacy and instead of criticizing him for that, you are here talking stupid about how I am rhe racist. But you are not a racist, you just don't say anything to white racists and you jump all over blacks calling them racists for pointing out white racism. No you are not a racist, you just felt fine contributing to racist threads by whites but when a black person says we should have a conversation about race suddenly why should we talk abut race. Oh no you aren't a racist but when another white woman decided to agree with blacks you called her a black apologist. No, you are not a racist, you felt fine posting in threads by whites that denigrated blacks, but when blacks started to fight back, suddenly why must we make everything about race in a section where race is supposed to be discussed.

Of course you will deny these things and that's doesn't bother me for in the end I am not the one you must answer to.
I dont diss you because you are black, i despise your arrogant attitude, you are the one who thinks you are superior to whites. When did i call someone an apologist? Unless a white person apologizes for something whites did to blacks before our time, i would have no issue with it and again it is not racist. Disagreeing with you is not racist, where did i agree with whites denegrating blacks? Liar, you are really pathetic

I have never said was superior to anyone. I have spoken truth. You can't handle he truth. You are where you at because of things done before our time. But that's how dumb you are. Things that happened before your time is why you barbeque on July 4th every year. So you don't get to ignore it because it shows that you are where you are today as result of evil included in the same past you celebrate on the fourth of July.

You have not endured for one day in your life anything me and the other blacks here have during our lifetimes. The least of my concerns is some white person telling me they don't like me because I'm black. But if that happens to you that's a major case. I've been denied jobs, promotions, harassed by cops and accused of crimes. I never have had a criminal record. Because of the police harassment I have endured that still happens even now in my advanced age, I do not leave my house after dark. During my years of work I have received those funny phone calls where I got called racial slurs, my life threatened, letters with pictures of blacks hanging, more threats, pictures of monkeys and apes all because I was opposing white racism. One black here has described where he had to watch his parents get shit and piss thrown on them by whites. That's racism Molly and until you experience these things you haven't experienced racism. You can argue till hell freezes over about what you think I don't know about what you or whites haven't experienced but if you had experienced any of these things, you would not hold the positions you do today.
Everyone is where they are today because of the past. I dont deny anything that happened in the past, i dont dwell on it either. What is it you are expecting from us collectively? I certainly am not dumb and for you to keep calling me that shows you think you are superior

You are dumb. Me saying that doesn't imply that I am superior to white people. Until past damages are fixed, we are going to talk about what those damages have caused. We expect that whites like you stop making excuses and work to erase the racism in your communities.

You should invest some time erasing the racism within your own race. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

The racism you talk about is imaginary. You not one time have been able to show any instance of blacks doing any of the things whites have done to us but a few instances of name calling. Even the affirmative action you have made up was implemented by whites
 
You are a ridiculous drama queen. If your idea of a "vile insult" is being called a racist on a "race relations" message board you are a fool just as you were accurately called.


It is a vile insult in our culture, and your denial of this just reveals you to be a liar.


There are no winners or losers here, and if in your little mind, there are, then that makes you look even more foolish, and hypersensitive than you actually are, if thats possible.



Says the man arguing that "racist" is not a vile insult in our culture. AND that not answering a question is reason enough to be called one.




You got called a racist, and to a number of people here, you appear to be.


Which is interesting, because NOTHING I say actually fits the actual definition of racist.

When people call me a racist, they are lying and race baiting.


Name one person who post here who has not been called a racist, quite a few have been by none other than you.

1. That a lot of people throw that word around stupidly and wrongly and vilely, does not support your argument. It just shows that there are a lot of assholes in the world.


2. I actually call people racist, when they are saying racist things or supporting racist policies, like discriminating against people based on race.

That's when it is i reasonable to call someone a racist. Not when they do not answer a question and so you assume their answer and then judge them based on your assumption.



And if you continue to post here, you will be called one again.

No doubt. And I will call you race baiters on your behavior, when you do it.



Get over it. You aren't special.


Again with the trying to make it about me.


My arguments stand or don't stand, based on their own merits. I have never claimed any special Authority, where you should just bow to my decree.


And my arguments are sound. Which is WHY you lefties always drop the discussion about the topic, and start with personal attacks.


Because you are wrong, and you are too dishonest to admit it.

Your arguments are "sound"? That is humorous, and as a rule, I never reject an opportunity for a good laugh, and you seldom fall short of providing one.

In my life experience, genuine racists will flat out deny that racism actually exists, only to cry “REVERSE RACISM !” or "ANTI WHITE DISCRIMINATION!" in the next breath.

To people like you, who are believed to be racists, the real meaning of "reverse racism" or 'anti white discrimination" is having to live in a post 1965 world where you are expected to treat non white people fairly and equally.

To the point that it just feels uncomfortable to you.

Being called a RACIST in YOUR case, is not an insult, it's a DIAGNOSIS.

That's the way you are viewed by a number of people here, and no matter what level of objection that you express towards that perception, it is not likely to change,

Lastly, speaking for myself, I believe that you are more ignorant and misinformed than you are racist.



1. You open with claiming my arguments are unsound, but present no reason to support that claim.

2. Unless your claim is that racists deny being racist, was the "supporting argument".. Which is utterly stupid, because non racist would deny being racist too.

3. Your support for your calling me a racist is claiming that you know what we "really" mean when we complain about white discrimination. You offer no support of your mind reading ability, and that's all you have to support your vile insult of me.

4. YOu do use the Logical Fallacy of Argumentum ad populum, as a supporting argument So there is that. It's a stupid and invalid argument. Argumentum ad populum - Wikipedia


5. So, to conclude, you call me a vile name based on utterly stupid and invalid reasons. Thus, since you insult me, allow me to point out that you are a race baiting asshole. The difference between us, is that my insult of you, is true, while you are a liar.

Actually, YOU are a liar. "I" did not call you a vile name.

What I stated is that you are "perceived" as being a racist by some who post here.

And, I stated that I believe you to be more ignorant and misinformed than you are a racist.


There is nothing "vile" about those observations


You could save yourself from having so many meltdowns if you took time to read more thoroughly.

Furthermore, yes, I do not believe that your so called :arguments" are sound, because you are far too emotionally invested in defending your obtuse positions to total strangers.....to the point of typing the same thing over and over.

Although I am beginning to lose interest in being entertained by your shrill whining, I have noticed that you seldom back up what you post with any credible sources.

Since you factually prove very little regarding what you see as truth, why should anyone who responds to you just for a laugh waste their time doing so?


Corrected post.


1. You open with claiming my arguments are unsound, but present no reason to support that claim.

2. Unless your claim is that racists deny being racist, was the "supporting argument".. Which is utterly stupid, because non racist would deny being racist too.

3. Your support for your calling me a racist is claiming that you know what we "really" mean when we complain about white discrimination. You offer no support of your mind reading ability, and that's all you have to support your vile insult of me.

4. YOu do use the Logical Fallacy of Argumentum ad populum, as a supporting argument So there is that. It's a stupid and invalid argument. Argumentum ad populum - Wikipedia


5. So, to conclude, you SUPPORT callING me a vile name based on utterly stupid and invalid reasons.

WOW! You certainly put a lot of effort into "defending and deflecting".

You are perceived by some here as being a RACIST ASSHOLE.

I, on the other hand, perceive you to just be ignorant.

I did not call you a ""vile name". I merely reported how you are perceived.

How you are perceived, is NOT my problem.
 
I'm happy to hear that. May that continue for you.

No reason it shouldn't..my only vice is fast cars..:)

May you continue to put the truth out there and be blessed as well.
So you do support Reparations......good to know.

Obviously, the U.S. Government does as well. They have paid reparations to Native Americans, the Japanese and the jews affected by the Holocaust.
The problem with that is all of the above can show damages.
Blacks cannot.
Frankly, many who had grandparents who were slaves are already dead. And just because your great grandparents had a rough time doesn't mean you deserve financial compensation for it.

Say that to the Native Americans you pay each year for things done long after their grandparents have died. You paid Jews for what Germans did to them.

Your argument has no merit.
Native Americans were robbed of their lands and put on reservations.
And what makes you think we paid Jews for what the Nazis did to them?
 
African Americans can't be called racist more racist than whites because we don't have the ability to deny anyone.

But come back to me when black people begin lynching, raping, oppressing, exploiting, shooting, jailing, whipping, maiming, torturing, evangelizing, robbing, stereotyping, bullying, bombing, segregating, building highways and thruways to dislocate and dismantle businesses, communities and neighborhoods; creating sun-down towns, experimenting on, discriminating against, prohibiting, murdering, holding back and controlling in every imaginable way, hating white ppl en mass via de jure and de facto racism for hundreds of years, then and only then can calling black people racists make sense.

But let's look at this "We whites can't speak out about how they feel without fear of reprisals"

So what do you want to say ?

You want to shout from the roof tops that "You hate n.i.g.g.e.r.s" ? You have a system that tells us that everyday.

Next

So what do what do you want to say about black people that you can't without fear of reprisals ?

You want insult black people verbally face to face ?

Well there are gonna be reprisals and could end with you getting your ass kicked or even worse.

That you won’t be able to understand this simple point is nothing so much as your own sense of entitlement. Whites are not used to anyone telling them that they can’t do something and you take offense when your freedom to offend is constrained.

Plus how you or anyone could believe you can't critique black people when we live in a global culture where critique of black people is a daily, hourly, minute-by-minute pastime is beyond me.

You have Donald Trump in the big house and white people still complain ? A man who is gonna be the most pro-white president in a long time.

And you still complain ?

The fact is if you are a white person living in the most European nations or in the US you experience less censorship than any other demographic on this planet. You have easier access to more resources including paper, pens, computers and dictaphones. Not only do you have more ability to access the internet to publish online. You have n*ggermania, shitskin, chimpout and chimpmania websites where you can talk shit about black people all day.

White people also have the world's strongest publishing industry statistically supporting them more than any other group where you read books like the Bell Curve which tries to prove how stupid black people are.

Nobody is less prevented from writing whatever they want to than whites. White supremacist are allowed to run a muck on here, run a muck on twitter, run a muck on facebook, run a muck reddit, run a muck on 4chan.

So once again what do what do you want to say about black people that you can't without fear of reprisals ?

This is Part 9 of THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. You will find the other parts of this in posts 1445, 1448, 1460 1477, 1488,1505, 1516, and 1532. I'm just having to respond to a different poster.

1) In America, blacks have been found guilty of raping, oppressing, exploiting, shooting, jailing, whipping, maiming, torturing, evangelizing, robbing, stereotyping, bullying, and segregating - even when they get a free pass. To the rest of your complaints, I'd have to do a bit of research in order to respond

2) According to the Washington Times:

"Is Jamie Foxx a racist? The actor recently hosted “Saturday Night Live,” delivering a rant that was supposed to be funny. It wasn’t. In fact, had a white person delivered the same monologue but simply exchanged the word “white” for “black,” his career would be over. The hypocrisy and double standard are egregious. They must stop. Black bigotry should no longer be condoned, let alone celebrated."

KUHNER: Jamie Foxx and the rise of black bigotry

3) EVERYTHING that I've said on this board, I'm willing to say it to anyone's face. I once knew a guy that had a mouth like you. He had clout though. He was Martin Luther King, Jr.s right hand man. He had a tv show and I ended up debating him face to face. His name was Hosea Williams. When that discussion ended, the show was NOT renewed for another season... and everything I wanted to say at that time was said. I keep repeating this son. You can't call people out in open forum. If you want to make a challenge; do it in a PM

4) Personally, I don't have the capacity to hate anyone. God's law supersedes ALL the other laws. But, I have been admonished to "Debate thy cause with thy neighbour himself; and discover not a secret to another:" Proverbs 25 : 9

Black people make a lot of false statements, but they don't want us to remind them of how dishonest they are and how wrong they are. No black person ever lost their Hollywood gig nor their sports position for saying things against whites, but they have said things...

5) Donald Trump is not a friend to the white people. He has settled for National Socialist solutions; he has preached a doctrine of intolerance for undocumented foreigners while employing them; he supports an agenda that, over time, will be very costly to the whites in terms of their Liberty and Freedom; Trump has no regard for unalienable Rights.

IF you were wise, you would celebrate Trump. His actions have made the liberals more determined to win than under any president in history. Democrats will retake the Senate - maybe the House and Trump's policies are deliberately designed to fail. So YOU should be happy.

As a side note, I should not have to go off into the Twilight Zone among kooks just to tell you that black people can and are just as racist as whites... but moreso, because, as the Washington Times article implied, black people are NOT held accountable in the mainstream for their racist attitudes.

Blacks have not been as racist as whites. That's the problem with your opinion.

That is your opinion. It is not, however, a fact.
Nobody ambushes you. If is the other way around. Your mindthought seems to lean toward violence. What an angry little man, pity.

I'm not the one who said anything about an ambush. Learn to read. I pity you because you are dumb. .For example when a white person tries to diss a black person for being angry, this is saying that you have no right to be angry about what we do to you because we are superior to you. And you are too dumb to see how racist that really is.

So while you move along in classic valley girl fashion at age 60 something while ignoring all the racism posted here in these forums while telling us how its all in the past, don't be as dumb to think we have no right to be angry about the racism we still see .going on.

Because Humone has posted 4 essays justifying white supremacy and instead of criticizing him for that, you are here talking stupid about how I am rhe racist. But you are not a racist, you just don't say anything to white racists and you jump all over blacks calling them racists for pointing out white racism. No you are not a racist, you just felt fine contributing to racist threads by whites but when a black person says we should have a conversation about race suddenly why should we talk abut race. Oh no you aren't a racist but when another white woman decided to agree with blacks you called her a black apologist. No, you are not a racist, you felt fine posting in threads by whites that denigrated blacks, but when blacks started to fight back, suddenly why must we make everything about race in a section where race is supposed to be discussed.

Of course you will deny these things and that's doesn't bother me for in the end I am not the one you must answer to.
I dont diss you because you are black, i despise your arrogant attitude, you are the one who thinks you are superior to whites. When did i call someone an apologist? Unless a white person apologizes for something whites did to blacks before our time, i would have no issue with it and again it is not racist. Disagreeing with you is not racist, where did i agree with whites denegrating blacks? Liar, you are really pathetic

MizMolly, You have my respect for standing up for what truthful. I wanted to end my rant of what needs to be said by interjecting myself into your conversation with IM2.

This is Part 10 of THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. You will find the other parts of this in posts 1445, 1448, 1460 1477, 1488,1505, 1516,1532, and 1535.

In addressing you, IM2 said:

"You have not endured for one day in your life anything me and the other blacks here have during our lifetimes. The least of my concerns is some white person telling me they don't like me because I'm black. But if that happens to you that's a major case. I've been denied jobs, promotions, harassed by cops and accused of crimes. I never have had a criminal record. Because of the police harassment I have endured that still happens even now in my advanced age, I do not leave my house after dark. During my years of work I have received those funny phone calls where I got called racial slurs, my life threatened, letters with pictures of blacks hanging, more threats, pictures of monkeys and apes all because I was opposing white racism. One black here has described where he had to watch his parents get shit and piss thrown on them by whites. That's racism Molly and until you experience these things you haven't experienced racism. You can argue till hell freezes over about what you think I don't know about what you or whites haven't experienced but if you had experienced any of these things, you would not hold the positions you do today."

IM2's problem is he cannot B.S. me and tell me his life is worse than anyone else or that he experienced things the rest of the people haven't.

1) Whites HAVE been the victims of racism. This was pointed out in my earlier posts so check them for proof

2) One time I was handcuffed by the cops. They stretched my arms high over my head and cuffed me across the a bar, proceeded to place a phone book over my ribs while taking a billy stick and beating me. I was hurting for weeks, but it didn't leave a mark on me. Yeah, I can't rack that up to racism per se because one cop was white and one was black... it die have a racial component though.

In a not so famous case, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation planned to kick down my door, kill me and claim I resisted arrest. Fortunately, a news reporter got wind of it and was able to report on it before it could take place

3) I was laid off my first full time job due to racial quotas within a union; I was denied a promotion based on race when I was in the insurance industry

4) Since I've been on this board, my computer has been hacked; someone has put my personal information out publicly; someone got on professional sites and even gave me a big listing as a Georgia Bureau of Investigation Agent. I reported that one, but the GBI didn't care, so I left it. Somebody might actually believe it and not screw with me. Someone from this board killed the family cat by throwing it across a tree limb with a rope around its neck. They even shot through my kitchen window while I was at home... the perpetrator is a poster on this board

5) I received a lot of hate mail and threatening phone calls over the years.

The point is, IM2 will tell you all these horror stories about himself and chalk it all up to racism. But, sometimes his trials and tribulations may not have been related to his race at all, but rather by his attitude and the trash he talks. Black people have this belief that they are the only ones who had it rough in life. I can promise you they would never trade their lives for the one I lived. And there are many other people out there with horror stories of their lives that is just as bad. And, FWIW, my record is just clean as IM2's is. I've been a foster parent - which requires all manner of background checks.

6) While the race extremists from the left are arguing with me, I want to close with something important:

When I tell these racial extremists that America was founded by people who escaped the tyranny of King George and they intended for this to be a white country, the black extremists find fault with me for telling you the truth. But, what is telling and probably the most important part: they harp on other white countries and imply that we should go there to have a homeland. In reality, this is no different than a white supremacist telling them to jump on a boat and go to Africa.

Black extremists are more racist than the white ones because they have Hollywood fighting for them AND they are savvy enough to avoid being too blunt. They have become masters at using tact and wording their complaints in a manner where they are always innocent and the whites must pay.

I get the distinct feeling that they won't be satisfied until the last shovel dirt is thrown over the grave of the last white person on this planet. Despite what they say, the reality of my experiences are no less than anything I have experienced. BTW, I'll leave you with an incident that happened in my neighborhood:

Video shows woman shooting at invaders during Gwinnett home invasion

Despite what IM2 may claim, there are two sides to every story and he holds no monopoly of having been done wrong in the past. In my view, some people do not want a peaceful resolution. If they reject that and don't want civil conversations, we must be prepared for the worst. And, without giving you my personal feelings, that is the way it is.
We can't change other posters' minds, they are programmed by their parents since birth to hate us. Not all black people, just the ones who hate us for being white. Yes, they have suffered indignities, no, it isnt my fault now nor is it my responsibility. This thread has run it course. Mostly bullshit but that's usually what we find on the Race and Racism threads.

I agree except for one small thing.

Many blacks have been programmed, Pavlovian style, to become professional victims. Most people, however, pick themselves up and move on.

Japanese were put into camps during World War II. The current generation has risen above those wartime indignities. We're now past the half century point with people having to sit on the back of the bus. These guys that showed up every day while I neglected my regular work to let them know a little about the real world spend way too much time reading liberal propaganda and coming up with talking points.

IM2, however, went above and beyond what is acceptable. His pity me, I'm a victim mentality coupled with his lies makes him the kind of guy that prevents civil conversations from being possible. I'm not getting into the back and forth of did too, did not kind of arguing.

After this thread, I'm having to look at black people I've known for years and hoping that deep down inside they don't believe half the B.S. that the black extremists spew here.

What lies? Japanese go reparations.

You can't tell me shit about real life. You talk bout a half century removed from overt racism, but we are in here reading pages of racist crap from whites like you very day. You guys have jobs, some of you own businesses. YOU are damaging the minds of young blacks with your lies as a foster parent. Despite the racism we read here every day we are just supposed to ignore all this stated racism and expect that outside of these forums you guys aren't denying people of color opportunities.
 
It is a vile insult in our culture, and your denial of this just reveals you to be a liar.


Says the man arguing that "racist" is not a vile insult in our culture. AND that not answering a question is reason enough to be called one.




Which is interesting, because NOTHING I say actually fits the actual definition of racist.

When people call me a racist, they are lying and race baiting.


1. That a lot of people throw that word around stupidly and wrongly and vilely, does not support your argument. It just shows that there are a lot of assholes in the world.


2. I actually call people racist, when they are saying racist things or supporting racist policies, like discriminating against people based on race.

That's when it is i reasonable to call someone a racist. Not when they do not answer a question and so you assume their answer and then judge them based on your assumption.



No doubt. And I will call you race baiters on your behavior, when you do it.



Again with the trying to make it about me.


My arguments stand or don't stand, based on their own merits. I have never claimed any special Authority, where you should just bow to my decree.


And my arguments are sound. Which is WHY you lefties always drop the discussion about the topic, and start with personal attacks.


Because you are wrong, and you are too dishonest to admit it.

Your arguments are "sound"? That is humorous, and as a rule, I never reject an opportunity for a good laugh, and you seldom fall short of providing one.

In my life experience, genuine racists will flat out deny that racism actually exists, only to cry “REVERSE RACISM !” or "ANTI WHITE DISCRIMINATION!" in the next breath.

To people like you, who are believed to be racists, the real meaning of "reverse racism" or 'anti white discrimination" is having to live in a post 1965 world where you are expected to treat non white people fairly and equally.

To the point that it just feels uncomfortable to you.

Being called a RACIST in YOUR case, is not an insult, it's a DIAGNOSIS.

That's the way you are viewed by a number of people here, and no matter what level of objection that you express towards that perception, it is not likely to change,

Lastly, speaking for myself, I believe that you are more ignorant and misinformed than you are racist.



1. You open with claiming my arguments are unsound, but present no reason to support that claim.

2. Unless your claim is that racists deny being racist, was the "supporting argument".. Which is utterly stupid, because non racist would deny being racist too.

3. Your support for your calling me a racist is claiming that you know what we "really" mean when we complain about white discrimination. You offer no support of your mind reading ability, and that's all you have to support your vile insult of me.

4. YOu do use the Logical Fallacy of Argumentum ad populum, as a supporting argument So there is that. It's a stupid and invalid argument. Argumentum ad populum - Wikipedia


5. So, to conclude, you call me a vile name based on utterly stupid and invalid reasons. Thus, since you insult me, allow me to point out that you are a race baiting asshole. The difference between us, is that my insult of you, is true, while you are a liar.

Actually, YOU are a liar. "I" did not call you a vile name.

What I stated is that you are "perceived" as being a racist by some who post here.

And, I stated that I believe you to be more ignorant and misinformed than you are a racist.


There is nothing "vile" about those observations


You could save yourself from having so many meltdowns if you took time to read more thoroughly.

Furthermore, yes, I do not believe that your so called :arguments" are sound, because you are far too emotionally invested in defending your obtuse positions to total strangers.....to the point of typing the same thing over and over.

Although I am beginning to lose interest in being entertained by your shrill whining, I have noticed that you seldom back up what you post with any credible sources.

Since you factually prove very little regarding what you see as truth, why should anyone who responds to you just for a laugh waste their time doing so?


Corrected post.


1. You open with claiming my arguments are unsound, but present no reason to support that claim.

2. Unless your claim is that racists deny being racist, was the "supporting argument".. Which is utterly stupid, because non racist would deny being racist too.

3. Your support for your calling me a racist is claiming that you know what we "really" mean when we complain about white discrimination. You offer no support of your mind reading ability, and that's all you have to support your vile insult of me.

4. YOu do use the Logical Fallacy of Argumentum ad populum, as a supporting argument So there is that. It's a stupid and invalid argument. Argumentum ad populum - Wikipedia


5. So, to conclude, you SUPPORT callING me a vile name based on utterly stupid and invalid reasons.

WOW! You certainly put a lot of effort into "defending and deflecting".


Not really. A few minutes of typing.


You are perceived by some here as being a RACIST ASSHOLE.


NO, that's just what they SAY, because they can't refute my arguments.

I, on the other hand, perceive you to just be ignorant.

Logical fallacy of Ad Hominem. You lose.


I did not call you a ""vile name". I merely reported how you are perceived.

How you are perceived, is NOT my problem.

Never said it was.
 
No reason it shouldn't..my only vice is fast cars..:)

May you continue to put the truth out there and be blessed as well.
So you do support Reparations......good to know.

Obviously, the U.S. Government does as well. They have paid reparations to Native Americans, the Japanese and the jews affected by the Holocaust.
The problem with that is all of the above can show damages.
Blacks cannot.
Frankly, many who had grandparents who were slaves are already dead. And just because your great grandparents had a rough time doesn't mean you deserve financial compensation for it.

Say that to the Native Americans you pay each year for things done long after their grandparents have died. You paid Jews for what Germans did to them.

Your argument has no merit.
Native Americans were robbed of their lands and put on reservations.
And what makes you think we paid Jews for what the Nazis did to them?

Because that's what America did.

You can't explain what happened to blacks now ca ya. And don't try the Africans selling each other line. Consider this a fair warning

Your argument has no merit.
 
I dont diss you because you are black, i despise your arrogant attitude, you are the one who thinks you are superior to whites. When did i call someone an apologist? Unless a white person apologizes for something whites did to blacks before our time, i would have no issue with it and again it is not racist. Disagreeing with you is not racist, where did i agree with whites denegrating blacks? Liar, you are really pathetic

I have never said was superior to anyone. I have spoken truth. You can't handle he truth. You are where you at because of things done before our time. But that's how dumb you are. Things that happened before your time is why you barbeque on July 4th every year. So you don't get to ignore it because it shows that you are where you are today as result of evil included in the same past you celebrate on the fourth of July.

You have not endured for one day in your life anything me and the other blacks here have during our lifetimes. The least of my concerns is some white person telling me they don't like me because I'm black. But if that happens to you that's a major case. I've been denied jobs, promotions, harassed by cops and accused of crimes. I never have had a criminal record. Because of the police harassment I have endured that still happens even now in my advanced age, I do not leave my house after dark. During my years of work I have received those funny phone calls where I got called racial slurs, my life threatened, letters with pictures of blacks hanging, more threats, pictures of monkeys and apes all because I was opposing white racism. One black here has described where he had to watch his parents get shit and piss thrown on them by whites. That's racism Molly and until you experience these things you haven't experienced racism. You can argue till hell freezes over about what you think I don't know about what you or whites haven't experienced but if you had experienced any of these things, you would not hold the positions you do today.
Everyone is where they are today because of the past. I dont deny anything that happened in the past, i dont dwell on it either. What is it you are expecting from us collectively? I certainly am not dumb and for you to keep calling me that shows you think you are superior

You are dumb. Me saying that doesn't imply that I am superior to white people. Until past damages are fixed, we are going to talk about what those damages have caused. We expect that whites like you stop making excuses and work to erase the racism in your communities.

You should invest some time erasing the racism within your own race. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

The racism you talk about is imaginary. You not one time have been able to show any instance of blacks doing any of the things whites have done to us but a few instances of name calling. Even the affirmative action you have made up was implemented by whites

Yeah, a guy being doused with gasoline and fired up over his racial views is certainly not an act of racism. No black person would do that.
 
This is Part 9 of THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. You will find the other parts of this in posts 1445, 1448, 1460 1477, 1488,1505, 1516, and 1532. I'm just having to respond to a different poster.

1) In America, blacks have been found guilty of raping, oppressing, exploiting, shooting, jailing, whipping, maiming, torturing, evangelizing, robbing, stereotyping, bullying, and segregating - even when they get a free pass. To the rest of your complaints, I'd have to do a bit of research in order to respond

2) According to the Washington Times:

"Is Jamie Foxx a racist? The actor recently hosted “Saturday Night Live,” delivering a rant that was supposed to be funny. It wasn’t. In fact, had a white person delivered the same monologue but simply exchanged the word “white” for “black,” his career would be over. The hypocrisy and double standard are egregious. They must stop. Black bigotry should no longer be condoned, let alone celebrated."

KUHNER: Jamie Foxx and the rise of black bigotry

3) EVERYTHING that I've said on this board, I'm willing to say it to anyone's face. I once knew a guy that had a mouth like you. He had clout though. He was Martin Luther King, Jr.s right hand man. He had a tv show and I ended up debating him face to face. His name was Hosea Williams. When that discussion ended, the show was NOT renewed for another season... and everything I wanted to say at that time was said. I keep repeating this son. You can't call people out in open forum. If you want to make a challenge; do it in a PM

4) Personally, I don't have the capacity to hate anyone. God's law supersedes ALL the other laws. But, I have been admonished to "Debate thy cause with thy neighbour himself; and discover not a secret to another:" Proverbs 25 : 9

Black people make a lot of false statements, but they don't want us to remind them of how dishonest they are and how wrong they are. No black person ever lost their Hollywood gig nor their sports position for saying things against whites, but they have said things...

5) Donald Trump is not a friend to the white people. He has settled for National Socialist solutions; he has preached a doctrine of intolerance for undocumented foreigners while employing them; he supports an agenda that, over time, will be very costly to the whites in terms of their Liberty and Freedom; Trump has no regard for unalienable Rights.

IF you were wise, you would celebrate Trump. His actions have made the liberals more determined to win than under any president in history. Democrats will retake the Senate - maybe the House and Trump's policies are deliberately designed to fail. So YOU should be happy.

As a side note, I should not have to go off into the Twilight Zone among kooks just to tell you that black people can and are just as racist as whites... but moreso, because, as the Washington Times article implied, black people are NOT held accountable in the mainstream for their racist attitudes.

Blacks have not been as racist as whites. That's the problem with your opinion.

That is your opinion. It is not, however, a fact.
I'm not the one who said anything about an ambush. Learn to read. I pity you because you are dumb. .For example when a white person tries to diss a black person for being angry, this is saying that you have no right to be angry about what we do to you because we are superior to you. And you are too dumb to see how racist that really is.

So while you move along in classic valley girl fashion at age 60 something while ignoring all the racism posted here in these forums while telling us how its all in the past, don't be as dumb to think we have no right to be angry about the racism we still see .going on.

Because Humone has posted 4 essays justifying white supremacy and instead of criticizing him for that, you are here talking stupid about how I am rhe racist. But you are not a racist, you just don't say anything to white racists and you jump all over blacks calling them racists for pointing out white racism. No you are not a racist, you just felt fine contributing to racist threads by whites but when a black person says we should have a conversation about race suddenly why should we talk abut race. Oh no you aren't a racist but when another white woman decided to agree with blacks you called her a black apologist. No, you are not a racist, you felt fine posting in threads by whites that denigrated blacks, but when blacks started to fight back, suddenly why must we make everything about race in a section where race is supposed to be discussed.

Of course you will deny these things and that's doesn't bother me for in the end I am not the one you must answer to.
I dont diss you because you are black, i despise your arrogant attitude, you are the one who thinks you are superior to whites. When did i call someone an apologist? Unless a white person apologizes for something whites did to blacks before our time, i would have no issue with it and again it is not racist. Disagreeing with you is not racist, where did i agree with whites denegrating blacks? Liar, you are really pathetic

MizMolly, You have my respect for standing up for what truthful. I wanted to end my rant of what needs to be said by interjecting myself into your conversation with IM2.

This is Part 10 of THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. You will find the other parts of this in posts 1445, 1448, 1460 1477, 1488,1505, 1516,1532, and 1535.

In addressing you, IM2 said:

"You have not endured for one day in your life anything me and the other blacks here have during our lifetimes. The least of my concerns is some white person telling me they don't like me because I'm black. But if that happens to you that's a major case. I've been denied jobs, promotions, harassed by cops and accused of crimes. I never have had a criminal record. Because of the police harassment I have endured that still happens even now in my advanced age, I do not leave my house after dark. During my years of work I have received those funny phone calls where I got called racial slurs, my life threatened, letters with pictures of blacks hanging, more threats, pictures of monkeys and apes all because I was opposing white racism. One black here has described where he had to watch his parents get shit and piss thrown on them by whites. That's racism Molly and until you experience these things you haven't experienced racism. You can argue till hell freezes over about what you think I don't know about what you or whites haven't experienced but if you had experienced any of these things, you would not hold the positions you do today."

IM2's problem is he cannot B.S. me and tell me his life is worse than anyone else or that he experienced things the rest of the people haven't.

1) Whites HAVE been the victims of racism. This was pointed out in my earlier posts so check them for proof

2) One time I was handcuffed by the cops. They stretched my arms high over my head and cuffed me across the a bar, proceeded to place a phone book over my ribs while taking a billy stick and beating me. I was hurting for weeks, but it didn't leave a mark on me. Yeah, I can't rack that up to racism per se because one cop was white and one was black... it die have a racial component though.

In a not so famous case, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation planned to kick down my door, kill me and claim I resisted arrest. Fortunately, a news reporter got wind of it and was able to report on it before it could take place

3) I was laid off my first full time job due to racial quotas within a union; I was denied a promotion based on race when I was in the insurance industry

4) Since I've been on this board, my computer has been hacked; someone has put my personal information out publicly; someone got on professional sites and even gave me a big listing as a Georgia Bureau of Investigation Agent. I reported that one, but the GBI didn't care, so I left it. Somebody might actually believe it and not screw with me. Someone from this board killed the family cat by throwing it across a tree limb with a rope around its neck. They even shot through my kitchen window while I was at home... the perpetrator is a poster on this board

5) I received a lot of hate mail and threatening phone calls over the years.

The point is, IM2 will tell you all these horror stories about himself and chalk it all up to racism. But, sometimes his trials and tribulations may not have been related to his race at all, but rather by his attitude and the trash he talks. Black people have this belief that they are the only ones who had it rough in life. I can promise you they would never trade their lives for the one I lived. And there are many other people out there with horror stories of their lives that is just as bad. And, FWIW, my record is just clean as IM2's is. I've been a foster parent - which requires all manner of background checks.

6) While the race extremists from the left are arguing with me, I want to close with something important:

When I tell these racial extremists that America was founded by people who escaped the tyranny of King George and they intended for this to be a white country, the black extremists find fault with me for telling you the truth. But, what is telling and probably the most important part: they harp on other white countries and imply that we should go there to have a homeland. In reality, this is no different than a white supremacist telling them to jump on a boat and go to Africa.

Black extremists are more racist than the white ones because they have Hollywood fighting for them AND they are savvy enough to avoid being too blunt. They have become masters at using tact and wording their complaints in a manner where they are always innocent and the whites must pay.

I get the distinct feeling that they won't be satisfied until the last shovel dirt is thrown over the grave of the last white person on this planet. Despite what they say, the reality of my experiences are no less than anything I have experienced. BTW, I'll leave you with an incident that happened in my neighborhood:

Video shows woman shooting at invaders during Gwinnett home invasion

Despite what IM2 may claim, there are two sides to every story and he holds no monopoly of having been done wrong in the past. In my view, some people do not want a peaceful resolution. If they reject that and don't want civil conversations, we must be prepared for the worst. And, without giving you my personal feelings, that is the way it is.
We can't change other posters' minds, they are programmed by their parents since birth to hate us. Not all black people, just the ones who hate us for being white. Yes, they have suffered indignities, no, it isnt my fault now nor is it my responsibility. This thread has run it course. Mostly bullshit but that's usually what we find on the Race and Racism threads.

I agree except for one small thing.

Many blacks have been programmed, Pavlovian style, to become professional victims. Most people, however, pick themselves up and move on.

Japanese were put into camps during World War II. The current generation has risen above those wartime indignities. We're now past the half century point with people having to sit on the back of the bus. These guys that showed up every day while I neglected my regular work to let them know a little about the real world spend way too much time reading liberal propaganda and coming up with talking points.

IM2, however, went above and beyond what is acceptable. His pity me, I'm a victim mentality coupled with his lies makes him the kind of guy that prevents civil conversations from being possible. I'm not getting into the back and forth of did too, did not kind of arguing.

After this thread, I'm having to look at black people I've known for years and hoping that deep down inside they don't believe half the B.S. that the black extremists spew here.

What lies? Japanese go reparations.

You can't tell me shit about real life. You talk bout a half century removed from overt racism, but we are in here reading pages of racist crap from whites like you very day. You guys have jobs, some of you own businesses. YOU are damaging the minds of young blacks with your lies as a foster parent. Despite the racism we read here every day we are just supposed to ignore all this stated racism and expect that outside of these forums you guys aren't denying people of color opportunities.

There you go again lying. When the first sentence you post is an outright LIE, I stop reading. You're going to have to get better at what you do.

I said America was founded by white people as a Christian nation and citizenship limited to white people.
 
So you do support Reparations......good to know.

Obviously, the U.S. Government does as well. They have paid reparations to Native Americans, the Japanese and the jews affected by the Holocaust.
The problem with that is all of the above can show damages.
Blacks cannot.
Frankly, many who had grandparents who were slaves are already dead. And just because your great grandparents had a rough time doesn't mean you deserve financial compensation for it.

Say that to the Native Americans you pay each year for things done long after their grandparents have died. You paid Jews for what Germans did to them.

Your argument has no merit.
Native Americans were robbed of their lands and put on reservations.
And what makes you think we paid Jews for what the Nazis did to them?

Because that's what America did.

You can't explain what happened to blacks now ca ya. And don't try the Africans selling each other line. Consider this a fair warning

Your argument has no merit.

Now you're back to threatening posters? You lie and threaten people... and somehow it's their fault that nobody respects you?

Your arguments have no merit. When people grow up being discriminated against or harassed, intimidated, bullied, etc. it don't make a damn what the underlying cause is, they feel pain just like you and they suffer.

If America is so freaking bad for you, you could start a group and declare war OR you could pack your rags and try some country where you think there is no "racism" against black people.

The people you're addressing aren't really racists. They're just sick of the little boy that falsely screams wolf one too many times.
 
We can't change other posters' minds, they are programmed by their parents since birth to hate us. Not all black people, just the ones who hate us for being white. Yes, they have suffered indignities, no, it isnt my fault now nor is it my responsibility. This thread has run it course. Mostly bullshit but that's usually what we find on the Race and Racism threads.

And this s why I say this person is dumb. Who hates whites just because they are white? How are we programmed to hate whites by our parents?

The Teflon Theory of American History says that anything that took place over 30 years ago is Ancient History. It has Absolutely No Effect on the present. Or not much. Unless it was something good like the light bulb or the Declaration of Independence. Therefore those who make a big deal of the bad stuff in the past, like slavery, are Living in the Past and need to Get Over It.

For example:

Jim Crow laws were overturned by the civil rights movement in the 1950s and 1960s. Therefore according to Teflon Theory the Jim Crow period is now Ancient History. It has Absolutely No Effect on how White Americans alive today think and act. None whatsoever. Or not much. So racism is pretty much dead.

Instead of Jim Crow’s effect slowly weakening over time like you would expect, Teflon Theory would have you suppose that it just disappeared like magic one afternoon sometime in the late 1960s. Even though many White Americans alive now were alive back in Jim Crow times. Even though many others were brought up and shaped by those who were alive back then: parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, teachers, writers, film directors, television producers, news editors and so on.

Few sit on a mountain top to come up with their beliefs all on their own. Instead most people pretty much go along with what everyone else already believes with maybe a few twists here and there. Such beliefs come from the past.

So then why is Teflon Theory believed?

  • Because of how American history is taught:
    • American history is taught as dates and people and facts that have little to do with each other. Sometimes the Effects of the the Civil War or Industrialization are studied, for example, but not so for the evil stuff – like how slavery and genocide led to present-day White American wealth, power and racism.
    • American history as taught rarely comes up to the present day. History becomes something in the past, in a book, not something we live in right now.
  • Because of the needs of White American self-image:
    • White Americans want to think they are Basically Good and their society is Basically Just. Without Teflon Theory that becomes laughable since it flies in the face of history, common sense and human nature.
    • White Americans avoid honestly facing up to their past because deep down they know it is ugly. Teflon Theory acts as a guard against having to take it seriously.
  • Because middle-class whites are protected from the ugly present:
    • Those who live in Apple-pie America rarely see first-hand the injustice that their comfortable lives are built on. And what injustice they do see on occasion, like black ghettos or wars on television fought overseas in their name, they have already learned to not see as injustice. But being protected from the ugly present makes the ugly past seem like another world, like it truly is ancient history with no bearing on the present.
 
No reason it shouldn't..my only vice is fast cars..:)

May you continue to put the truth out there and be blessed as well.
So you do support Reparations......good to know.

Obviously, the U.S. Government does as well. They have paid reparations to Native Americans, the Japanese and the jews affected by the Holocaust.
The problem with that is all of the above can show damages.
Blacks cannot.
Frankly, many who had grandparents who were slaves are already dead. And just because your great grandparents had a rough time doesn't mean you deserve financial compensation for it.

Say that to the Native Americans you pay each year for things done long after their grandparents have died. You paid Jews for what Germans did to them.

Your argument has no merit.
Native Americans were robbed of their lands and put on reservations.
And what makes you think we paid Jews for what the Nazis did to them?

FWIW, The legislative branch of government voted to give 40 acres and a mule (IIRC) as reparations to blacks following the War of Northern Aggression.

President Andrew Johnson, a Democrat, vetoed the reparations bill.... and the black people continue to support the Democrats. So, their case for reparations is null and void since, by voting for Democrats. the black people lose the right to sue on grounds of condonation.
 
Blacks have not been as racist as whites. That's the problem with your opinion.

That is your opinion. It is not, however, a fact.
I dont diss you because you are black, i despise your arrogant attitude, you are the one who thinks you are superior to whites. When did i call someone an apologist? Unless a white person apologizes for something whites did to blacks before our time, i would have no issue with it and again it is not racist. Disagreeing with you is not racist, where did i agree with whites denegrating blacks? Liar, you are really pathetic

MizMolly, You have my respect for standing up for what truthful. I wanted to end my rant of what needs to be said by interjecting myself into your conversation with IM2.

This is Part 10 of THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. You will find the other parts of this in posts 1445, 1448, 1460 1477, 1488,1505, 1516,1532, and 1535.

In addressing you, IM2 said:

"You have not endured for one day in your life anything me and the other blacks here have during our lifetimes. The least of my concerns is some white person telling me they don't like me because I'm black. But if that happens to you that's a major case. I've been denied jobs, promotions, harassed by cops and accused of crimes. I never have had a criminal record. Because of the police harassment I have endured that still happens even now in my advanced age, I do not leave my house after dark. During my years of work I have received those funny phone calls where I got called racial slurs, my life threatened, letters with pictures of blacks hanging, more threats, pictures of monkeys and apes all because I was opposing white racism. One black here has described where he had to watch his parents get shit and piss thrown on them by whites. That's racism Molly and until you experience these things you haven't experienced racism. You can argue till hell freezes over about what you think I don't know about what you or whites haven't experienced but if you had experienced any of these things, you would not hold the positions you do today."

IM2's problem is he cannot B.S. me and tell me his life is worse than anyone else or that he experienced things the rest of the people haven't.

1) Whites HAVE been the victims of racism. This was pointed out in my earlier posts so check them for proof

2) One time I was handcuffed by the cops. They stretched my arms high over my head and cuffed me across the a bar, proceeded to place a phone book over my ribs while taking a billy stick and beating me. I was hurting for weeks, but it didn't leave a mark on me. Yeah, I can't rack that up to racism per se because one cop was white and one was black... it die have a racial component though.

In a not so famous case, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation planned to kick down my door, kill me and claim I resisted arrest. Fortunately, a news reporter got wind of it and was able to report on it before it could take place

3) I was laid off my first full time job due to racial quotas within a union; I was denied a promotion based on race when I was in the insurance industry

4) Since I've been on this board, my computer has been hacked; someone has put my personal information out publicly; someone got on professional sites and even gave me a big listing as a Georgia Bureau of Investigation Agent. I reported that one, but the GBI didn't care, so I left it. Somebody might actually believe it and not screw with me. Someone from this board killed the family cat by throwing it across a tree limb with a rope around its neck. They even shot through my kitchen window while I was at home... the perpetrator is a poster on this board

5) I received a lot of hate mail and threatening phone calls over the years.

The point is, IM2 will tell you all these horror stories about himself and chalk it all up to racism. But, sometimes his trials and tribulations may not have been related to his race at all, but rather by his attitude and the trash he talks. Black people have this belief that they are the only ones who had it rough in life. I can promise you they would never trade their lives for the one I lived. And there are many other people out there with horror stories of their lives that is just as bad. And, FWIW, my record is just clean as IM2's is. I've been a foster parent - which requires all manner of background checks.

6) While the race extremists from the left are arguing with me, I want to close with something important:

When I tell these racial extremists that America was founded by people who escaped the tyranny of King George and they intended for this to be a white country, the black extremists find fault with me for telling you the truth. But, what is telling and probably the most important part: they harp on other white countries and imply that we should go there to have a homeland. In reality, this is no different than a white supremacist telling them to jump on a boat and go to Africa.

Black extremists are more racist than the white ones because they have Hollywood fighting for them AND they are savvy enough to avoid being too blunt. They have become masters at using tact and wording their complaints in a manner where they are always innocent and the whites must pay.

I get the distinct feeling that they won't be satisfied until the last shovel dirt is thrown over the grave of the last white person on this planet. Despite what they say, the reality of my experiences are no less than anything I have experienced. BTW, I'll leave you with an incident that happened in my neighborhood:

Video shows woman shooting at invaders during Gwinnett home invasion

Despite what IM2 may claim, there are two sides to every story and he holds no monopoly of having been done wrong in the past. In my view, some people do not want a peaceful resolution. If they reject that and don't want civil conversations, we must be prepared for the worst. And, without giving you my personal feelings, that is the way it is.
We can't change other posters' minds, they are programmed by their parents since birth to hate us. Not all black people, just the ones who hate us for being white. Yes, they have suffered indignities, no, it isnt my fault now nor is it my responsibility. This thread has run it course. Mostly bullshit but that's usually what we find on the Race and Racism threads.

I agree except for one small thing.

Many blacks have been programmed, Pavlovian style, to become professional victims. Most people, however, pick themselves up and move on.

Japanese were put into camps during World War II. The current generation has risen above those wartime indignities. We're now past the half century point with people having to sit on the back of the bus. These guys that showed up every day while I neglected my regular work to let them know a little about the real world spend way too much time reading liberal propaganda and coming up with talking points.

IM2, however, went above and beyond what is acceptable. His pity me, I'm a victim mentality coupled with his lies makes him the kind of guy that prevents civil conversations from being possible. I'm not getting into the back and forth of did too, did not kind of arguing.

After this thread, I'm having to look at black people I've known for years and hoping that deep down inside they don't believe half the B.S. that the black extremists spew here.

What lies? Japanese got reparations.

You can't tell me shit about real life. You talk bout a half century removed from overt racism, but we are in here reading pages of racist crap from whites like you very day. You guys have jobs, some of you own businesses. YOU are damaging the minds of young blacks with your lies as a foster parent. Despite the racism we read here every day we are just supposed to ignore all this stated racism and expect that outside of these forums you guys aren't denying people of color opportunities.

There you go again lying. When the first sentence you post is an outright LIE, I stop reading. You're going to have to get better at what you do.

I said America was founded by white people as a Christian nation and citizenship limited to white people.

I did not lie. Japanese did get reparations. And really, the white racist ploy of using Asians in a racial discussion between whites and blacks by whites to try invalidating the reality of white racism against blacks is old. Asians don't like it but whites like you don't think you have to listen to them either. And I said America was founded on racism. Your second sentence supports this.

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We can't change other posters' minds, they are programmed by their parents since birth to hate us. Not all black people, just the ones who hate us for being white. Yes, they have suffered indignities, no, it isnt my fault now nor is it my responsibility. This thread has run it course. Mostly bullshit but that's usually what we find on the Race and Racism threads.

And this s why I say this person is dumb. Who hates whites just because they are white? How are we programmed to hate whites by our parents?

The Teflon Theory of American History says that anything that took place over 30 years ago is Ancient History. It has Absolutely No Effect on the present. Or not much. Unless it was something good like the light bulb or the Declaration of Independence. Therefore those who make a big deal of the bad stuff in the past, like slavery, are Living in the Past and need to Get Over It.

For example:

Jim Crow laws were overturned by the civil rights movement in the 1950s and 1960s. Therefore according to Teflon Theory the Jim Crow period is now Ancient History. It has Absolutely No Effect on how White Americans alive today think and act. None whatsoever. Or not much. So racism is pretty much dead.

Instead of Jim Crow’s effect slowly weakening over time like you would expect, Teflon Theory would have you suppose that it just disappeared like magic one afternoon sometime in the late 1960s. Even though many White Americans alive now were alive back in Jim Crow times. Even though many others were brought up and shaped by those who were alive back then: parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, teachers, writers, film directors, television producers, news editors and so on.

Few sit on a mountain top to come up with their beliefs all on their own. Instead most people pretty much go along with what everyone else already believes with maybe a few twists here and there. Such beliefs come from the past.

So then why is Teflon Theory believed?

  • Because of how American history is taught:
    • American history is taught as dates and people and facts that have little to do with each other. Sometimes the Effects of the the Civil War or Industrialization are studied, for example, but not so for the evil stuff – like how slavery and genocide led to present-day White American wealth, power and racism.
    • American history as taught rarely comes up to the present day. History becomes something in the past, in a book, not something we live in right now.
  • Because of the needs of White American self-image:
    • White Americans want to think they are Basically Good and their society is Basically Just. Without Teflon Theory that becomes laughable since it flies in the face of history, common sense and human nature.
    • White Americans avoid honestly facing up to their past because deep down they know it is ugly. Teflon Theory acts as a guard against having to take it seriously.
  • Because middle-class whites are protected from the ugly present:
    • Those who live in Apple-pie America rarely see first-hand the injustice that their comfortable lives are built on. And what injustice they do see on occasion, like black ghettos or wars on television fought overseas in their name, they have already learned to not see as injustice. But being protected from the ugly present makes the ugly past seem like another world, like it truly is ancient history with no bearing on the present.

Your biggest problem is blaming white people for injustices of the past and thinking all whites lived on streets of gold and had a silver spoon in their mouth as if they profited off you. And every time you post specifics, it is always people that come from old money - the super rich where money is handed down from generation to generation.

The last time I heard of reparations was a case against a tobacco company. Your side lost. I'm not a tobacco company; I never profited off you in any way, shape, fashion, or form.

If you think I owe you a plug nickel, SUE ME. QUITYERBITCHING. Sue or STFU.
 
So you do support Reparations......good to know.

Obviously, the U.S. Government does as well. They have paid reparations to Native Americans, the Japanese and the jews affected by the Holocaust.
The problem with that is all of the above can show damages.
Blacks cannot.
Frankly, many who had grandparents who were slaves are already dead. And just because your great grandparents had a rough time doesn't mean you deserve financial compensation for it.

Say that to the Native Americans you pay each year for things done long after their grandparents have died. You paid Jews for what Germans did to them.

Your argument has no merit.
Native Americans were robbed of their lands and put on reservations.
And what makes you think we paid Jews for what the Nazis did to them?

FWIW, The legislative branch of government voted to give 40 acres and a mule (IIRC) as reparations to blacks following the War of Northern Aggression.

President Andrew Johnson, a Democrat, vetoed the reparations bill.... and the black people continue to support the Democrats. So, their case for reparations is null and void since, by voting for Democrats. the black people lose the right to sue on grounds of condonation.

At the time Johnson did that blacks solidly supported the republican party. You might want to learn about black people before you make such dumb ass historically inaccurate statements. And if what you said had been true, it doesn't kill any argument for reparations.
 
That is your opinion. It is not, however, a fact.
MizMolly, You have my respect for standing up for what truthful. I wanted to end my rant of what needs to be said by interjecting myself into your conversation with IM2.

This is Part 10 of THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. You will find the other parts of this in posts 1445, 1448, 1460 1477, 1488,1505, 1516,1532, and 1535.

In addressing you, IM2 said:

"You have not endured for one day in your life anything me and the other blacks here have during our lifetimes. The least of my concerns is some white person telling me they don't like me because I'm black. But if that happens to you that's a major case. I've been denied jobs, promotions, harassed by cops and accused of crimes. I never have had a criminal record. Because of the police harassment I have endured that still happens even now in my advanced age, I do not leave my house after dark. During my years of work I have received those funny phone calls where I got called racial slurs, my life threatened, letters with pictures of blacks hanging, more threats, pictures of monkeys and apes all because I was opposing white racism. One black here has described where he had to watch his parents get shit and piss thrown on them by whites. That's racism Molly and until you experience these things you haven't experienced racism. You can argue till hell freezes over about what you think I don't know about what you or whites haven't experienced but if you had experienced any of these things, you would not hold the positions you do today."

IM2's problem is he cannot B.S. me and tell me his life is worse than anyone else or that he experienced things the rest of the people haven't.

1) Whites HAVE been the victims of racism. This was pointed out in my earlier posts so check them for proof

2) One time I was handcuffed by the cops. They stretched my arms high over my head and cuffed me across the a bar, proceeded to place a phone book over my ribs while taking a billy stick and beating me. I was hurting for weeks, but it didn't leave a mark on me. Yeah, I can't rack that up to racism per se because one cop was white and one was black... it die have a racial component though.

In a not so famous case, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation planned to kick down my door, kill me and claim I resisted arrest. Fortunately, a news reporter got wind of it and was able to report on it before it could take place

3) I was laid off my first full time job due to racial quotas within a union; I was denied a promotion based on race when I was in the insurance industry

4) Since I've been on this board, my computer has been hacked; someone has put my personal information out publicly; someone got on professional sites and even gave me a big listing as a Georgia Bureau of Investigation Agent. I reported that one, but the GBI didn't care, so I left it. Somebody might actually believe it and not screw with me. Someone from this board killed the family cat by throwing it across a tree limb with a rope around its neck. They even shot through my kitchen window while I was at home... the perpetrator is a poster on this board

5) I received a lot of hate mail and threatening phone calls over the years.

The point is, IM2 will tell you all these horror stories about himself and chalk it all up to racism. But, sometimes his trials and tribulations may not have been related to his race at all, but rather by his attitude and the trash he talks. Black people have this belief that they are the only ones who had it rough in life. I can promise you they would never trade their lives for the one I lived. And there are many other people out there with horror stories of their lives that is just as bad. And, FWIW, my record is just clean as IM2's is. I've been a foster parent - which requires all manner of background checks.

6) While the race extremists from the left are arguing with me, I want to close with something important:

When I tell these racial extremists that America was founded by people who escaped the tyranny of King George and they intended for this to be a white country, the black extremists find fault with me for telling you the truth. But, what is telling and probably the most important part: they harp on other white countries and imply that we should go there to have a homeland. In reality, this is no different than a white supremacist telling them to jump on a boat and go to Africa.

Black extremists are more racist than the white ones because they have Hollywood fighting for them AND they are savvy enough to avoid being too blunt. They have become masters at using tact and wording their complaints in a manner where they are always innocent and the whites must pay.

I get the distinct feeling that they won't be satisfied until the last shovel dirt is thrown over the grave of the last white person on this planet. Despite what they say, the reality of my experiences are no less than anything I have experienced. BTW, I'll leave you with an incident that happened in my neighborhood:

Video shows woman shooting at invaders during Gwinnett home invasion

Despite what IM2 may claim, there are two sides to every story and he holds no monopoly of having been done wrong in the past. In my view, some people do not want a peaceful resolution. If they reject that and don't want civil conversations, we must be prepared for the worst. And, without giving you my personal feelings, that is the way it is.
We can't change other posters' minds, they are programmed by their parents since birth to hate us. Not all black people, just the ones who hate us for being white. Yes, they have suffered indignities, no, it isnt my fault now nor is it my responsibility. This thread has run it course. Mostly bullshit but that's usually what we find on the Race and Racism threads.

I agree except for one small thing.

Many blacks have been programmed, Pavlovian style, to become professional victims. Most people, however, pick themselves up and move on.

Japanese were put into camps during World War II. The current generation has risen above those wartime indignities. We're now past the half century point with people having to sit on the back of the bus. These guys that showed up every day while I neglected my regular work to let them know a little about the real world spend way too much time reading liberal propaganda and coming up with talking points.

IM2, however, went above and beyond what is acceptable. His pity me, I'm a victim mentality coupled with his lies makes him the kind of guy that prevents civil conversations from being possible. I'm not getting into the back and forth of did too, did not kind of arguing.

After this thread, I'm having to look at black people I've known for years and hoping that deep down inside they don't believe half the B.S. that the black extremists spew here.

What lies? Japanese got reparations.

You can't tell me shit about real life. You talk bout a half century removed from overt racism, but we are in here reading pages of racist crap from whites like you very day. You guys have jobs, some of you own businesses. YOU are damaging the minds of young blacks with your lies as a foster parent. Despite the racism we read here every day we are just supposed to ignore all this stated racism and expect that outside of these forums you guys aren't denying people of color opportunities.

There you go again lying. When the first sentence you post is an outright LIE, I stop reading. You're going to have to get better at what you do.

I said America was founded by white people as a Christian nation and citizenship limited to white people.

I did not lie. Japanese did get reparations. And really, the white racist ploy of using Asians in a racial discussion between whites and blacks by whites to try invalidating the reality of white racism against blacks is old. Asians don't like it but whites like you don't think you have to listen to them either. And I said America was founded on racism. Your second sentence supports this.

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Well I say that Adam was born in about 5004 B.C. I didn't lie about that. My second sentence? You mean "Most people, however, pick themselves up and move on."

Where, on the Internet, is an Asian living his life to bitch about me and claim I own him / her money every single day? Direct me to this person or I will tell you that you are a PROVEN LIAR.
 
Obviously, the U.S. Government does as well. They have paid reparations to Native Americans, the Japanese and the jews affected by the Holocaust.
The problem with that is all of the above can show damages.
Blacks cannot.
Frankly, many who had grandparents who were slaves are already dead. And just because your great grandparents had a rough time doesn't mean you deserve financial compensation for it.

Say that to the Native Americans you pay each year for things done long after their grandparents have died. You paid Jews for what Germans did to them.

Your argument has no merit.
Native Americans were robbed of their lands and put on reservations.
And what makes you think we paid Jews for what the Nazis did to them?

FWIW, The legislative branch of government voted to give 40 acres and a mule (IIRC) as reparations to blacks following the War of Northern Aggression.

President Andrew Johnson, a Democrat, vetoed the reparations bill.... and the black people continue to support the Democrats. So, their case for reparations is null and void since, by voting for Democrats. the black people lose the right to sue on grounds of condonation.

At the time Johnson did that blacks solidly supported the republican party. You might want to learn about black people before you make such dumb ass historically inaccurate statements. And if what you said had been true, it doesn't kill any argument for reparations.

Your posts are idiotic. Let me help you out. What brought me to this thread was when of your racist buddies wailed until the mods deleted most of the posts over name calling. He was just as ignorant as you.

The Republicans illegally passed the 14th Amendment, which hurt their credibility. They done a lot of things for the black people. And, when Martin Luther King, Jr. came along, blacks left the party that had their back en masse.back in the 1960s.

I'm going to tell your dumb ass something. You do not have a monopoly on understanding history. At BEST, you have a 6th grade level of understanding of it. You've called me names just about long enough. I have a feeling that the reason the mods did not delete my long winded posts is due to the fact that each post is honest and I did not try to belittle you.

You're posting B.S. all day long and lying like a New York politician only shows that you have no credible case and you need to move forward before you have a coronary. You are not going to change history OR impact the future with lies, name calling, ad hominems, straw man arguments, etc.
 
The Israelites would like the reparations owed them by blacks for holding them in slavery.
American blacks held the Israelites in bondage?

They held their descendants in bondage. Israelites can be found in large numbers right here in the USA.

If you think you have a case and your facts are absolutely infallible, go to court; a forum is not for daily litigating. BTW, didn't your side LOSE the last time you sued in an American court?????
 
I get the distinct feng that they won't be satisfied until the last shovel dirt is thrown over the grave of the list white person on this planet.
Don't worry if we had a black hospital. We would not use whites as guinea pigs in our hospitals. The way whites use blacks as guinea pigs in their hospitals.

We would not fight harder to save a black life in our hospitals. The way whites fight harder to save a white life in there hospitals.

We would under invest your areas. The way whites under invest our areas.

We would not rip up your resumes. The way whites rip up our resumes.

Simply put. Black people could never treat white people. The way white people have treated blacks.

God just didn't make us that way. He just didn't give us that heart.
Many blacks have been programmed, Pavlovian style, to become professional victims. Most people, however, pick themselves up and move on.
If your a black. You are a victim of white supremacy.

To tell my son that if he tries hard enough, he'll be OK, is nice, but unless I warn about the obstacles in his path I'm I'll suiting him for the real world.
Japanese were put into camps during World War II. The current generation has risen above those wartime indignities. We're now past the half century point with people having to sit on the back of the bus. These guys that showed up every day while I neglected my regular work to let them know a little about the real world spend way too much time reading liberal propaganda and coming up with talking points.
And what did the white supremacists do to Japan in WW2 when they weren't the good gooks they always claim they are ?

Trueman nuked them back into the stone age with consecutive bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, killing around half mill at once and many more in the fallout.

So Japan lost thewar and was de-militarized by the Anglo-U.S. government.

Japan is NOT a sovereign nation, it is a COLONY of the U.S

That’s why Japan is one of the only (or the only) “super power” that doesn’t have any nuclear weapons (and It won’t be allowed to have any).

If you look at the nations where possession of nuclear weapons is a “problem” for the U.S. or Israel or NATO, they are always NON-WHITE nations.

North Korea anyone ?

And that’s why Japan cannot force the U.S. to remove its military bases even though it has begged and pleaded many times over the years to ASK (not tell) the U.S. to remove them and the U.S. has the power to refuse to do it.

Japan can’t build anything — even a convenience store — in the U.S. without permission from the government so how can they build or even expand a military presence in Japan without the white supremacists permission?

Because Japan is not just a U.S. colony it is a non-white nation under the system of white supremacy.
IM2, however, went above and beyond what is acceptable. His pity me, I'm a victim mentality.
Try reading IM2 words. Instead of trying to read his mind.

Frankly I am not in the business of writing sob stories to appeal to the pity of whites.

As I have said many times. White supremacists (and many whites in general) have a heart of stone when it comes to black people.

I talk about racism for my own understanding.
 
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