Are Blacks More Racist Than Whites? Most Americans Say Yes

[IM2]

I don't believe I am the ultimate authority on race, I do believe I am more of an authority than you. You keep saying I have no point make but when we look at our discussion I've destroyed your premise every time. All you are proving is there are whites in 2018 who think the same way whites did 200 years ag0.

What can I say, dude? You're a legend in your own mind that has yet to disprove a single sentence of anything I've written. Your buddies have had the intellect to move on as what I've been posting about is not a personality contest. The fact that you think you are more of an authority than me is the most laughable part. In case you haven't noticed, NO white person is backing up what I'm posting about it - you are exactly 100 percent wrong about one thing - NO WHITES THINK LIKE I DO. That is soon to come when we look at how weak they are.

Yes. There are continued reparations for Native Americans currently.

PRRAC -

The Israelites would like the reparations owed them by blacks for holding them in slavery.

If they had been enslaved by Blacks on American soil, they would have likely already received them.

You're going to have to explain that one.

It's pretty simple. We are talking about America. Not Egypt 10,000 years ago. Because Moses, an Israelite, was black. And the Israelites got reparations in the form of the promised land. You really don't understand how stupid, inaccurate and racist your argument really is.

Moses was not black. OMG. Revisionist history. You have got to be kidding.

True revisionist history is that which whites have been teaching.

 

[IM2]

No problem, my brother. I've held up well for an old guy....lol.

I'm happy to hear that. May that continue for you.

No reason it shouldn't..my only vice is fast cars..

May you continue to put the truth out there and be blessed as well.

So you do support Reparations......good to know.

Obviously, the U.S. Government does as well. They have paid reparations to Native Americans, the Japanese and the jews affected by the Holocaust.

The problem with that is all of the above can show damages.
Blacks cannot.
Frankly, many who had grandparents who were slaves are already dead. And just because your great grandparents had a rough time doesn't mean you deserve financial compensation for it.

Say that to the Native Americans you pay each year for things done long after their grandparents have died. You paid Jews for what Germans did to them.

Your argument has no merit.

 

[MizMolly]

THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID.

This reply is a continuation of posts 1445 and 1448:

I have established in prior posts that the founders created a Constitution that was specific to building a constitutional Republic for the benefit of themselves and their posterity (their race) as evidenced by most of the early state constitutions.

America has fought many wars to secure the Liberties of foreign nations - and all without claiming a single acre of land for themselves. The policies of this country include giving BILLIONS of dollars to countries whose people wanting their own homeland. katsteve2012 wrote:

"Those are thinly veiled inferences that unless you study the past, you will not understand.

Keeping with thought, those "ideals" often translate to this "statement" in the minds of non whites:

"We built America, not you. You exist here because we allow you too. and based on its history, we have the right to determine if YOU should be here or not"

Of course, since for the most part, EVERY tax paying American citizen who was born here and resides here, has a right to be here..."

I would say that katsteve2012 was at least 80 percent right in that assessment. What pisses me off about the whites is that, it is like katsteve2012 says, "Those are thinly veiled inferences..." In my mind, whites don't have a clue as to their history nor their destiny. In many cases they DO cherry pick which laws and which tidbits they want to post on these boards in support of their ideology - which is almost as weak as that of the black extremists.

I realize that black people don't want to hear this, but whites DID build this nation. Pharaoh Khufu is credited with building the Great Pyramid in about 2551 B.C. So, when you Google him you will find that he is credited with that feat. Did he haul the rocks, sweat his ass off, and do the physical labor? No. Did he draw up the blueprints and supervise all the laborers? So, who were the people that DID the physical labor? Nobody cares and nobody bothers to record it for the most part.

Our system of laws; the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation and the many major decisions that took the idea and put them into an achievable form in the United States was the product of white people.

Their intention was to build a homeland for whites. While you think on that I'm going to be thinking about the rest of the answer to katsteve2012's response that every tax paying citizen has a "right" to be here. He'll be coming back. He cannot afford to miss the answer.

I hate to tell you but Whites did not build this nation. This system was the product of whites excluding everyone else from the decision making process. You made claims about Americans fighting wars without claiming a single bit of land for themselves. Are you insane?

If whites wanted a homeland for whites they should have stayed where it was all white. Because this country was not going to be all white when at last 500 non white nations were already here. Sane whites understand their history. That is why you post his crap anonymously in a race and racism section in a small internet forum because you know good and well that you are posting a bunch of extremist crap. You don't dare take this any non white forum. That's why I say you are a coward. I'm here with a few blacks in a mostly white forum opposing the racism of the likes of you with fact. You post your drivel only here where whites who are as dumb and racist as you will cosign and make you feel good about yourself.

FWIW:

You called me a coward. The buck stops there. Okay. The reality is since I was a young kid, I've been willing to meet anyone, at any time. Going on an all black forum is not cowardice. It would be the same as calling you chickenshit for not taking your racist tripe to a Klan rally and showing up alone.

When I was growing up, there are some things you did not say to another man. It usually meant you were shopping for a fight. Today, people like you can say idiotic things and I accept personal challenges, then I'm accused of threatening people. That is why, man to man, you spew shit you don't have the balls to say to people's face. IF you meant to call me out, you'd have done so in a PM. So, if you see a coward, it's the one that looks at you in the mirror every day.

For years I sponsored public meetings twice a month. I've been on tv, radio, and in newspapers. The last guy who made the same claims as you on this board is a National Socialist. He was so gutless that he shoots through my kitchen window. So, Klan with a tan, blow smoke all you like, but YOU are the one who wants me to walk into an ambush because you've proven that YOU can't handle the truth and think the odds won't favor you unless the odds are stacked against me 10 to 1. You are spineless and you don't have even a portion of the truth.

Then take your argument to an all black forum. I've done all of what you have done and more. I am here in a forum of whites expressing my opposition to white racism. Why would you be s scared of an ambush if your views are what is needed to be heard. I'm not asking you to do anything I'm not dig but you are scared to do what I suggest. You came in here talking that Billy Jack bullshit and I am standing up with you man up and busting your ass at every turn. I'm and the he blacks here are outnumbered here 10 to 1 and we keep on whupping ass. Seems to me you are the one who can't handle the truth and think the odds won't favor you unless the odds at in YOUR favor.

There ain't no klan with a tan grand cyclops, there is only the pale skinned KKK who believes America is New Jerusalem and made to be a whites only nation.

Nobody ambushes you. If is the other way around. Your mindthought seems to lean toward violence. What an angry little man, pity.

I'm not the one who said anything about an ambush. Learn to read. I pity you because you are dumb. .For example when a white person tries to diss a black person for being angry, this is saying that you have no right to be angry about what we do to you because we are superior to you. And you are too dumb to see how racist that really is.

So while you move along in classic valley girl fashion at age 60 something while ignoring all the racism posted here in these forums while telling us how its all in the past, don't be as dumb to think we have no right to be angry about the racism we still see .going on.

Because Humone has posted 4 essays justifying white supremacy and instead of criticizing him for that, you are here talking stupid about how I am rhe racist. But you are not a racist, you just don't say anything to white racists and you jump all over blacks calling them racists for pointing out white racism. No you are not a racist, you just felt fine contributing to racist threads by whites but when a black person says we should have a conversation about race suddenly why should we talk abut race. Oh no you aren't a racist but when another white woman decided to agree with blacks you called her a black apologist. No, you are not a racist, you felt fine posting in threads by whites that denigrated blacks, but when blacks started to fight back, suddenly why must we make everything about race in a section where race is supposed to be discussed.

Of course you will deny these things and that's doesn't bother me for in the end I am not the one you must answer to.

I dont diss you because you are black, i despise your arrogant attitude, you are the one who thinks you are superior to whites. When did i call someone an apologist? Unless a white person apologizes for something whites did to blacks before our time, i would have no issue with it and again it is not racist. Disagreeing with you is not racist, where did i agree with whites denegrating blacks? Liar, you are really pathetic

 

[MizMolly]

White man kills 4 people in car crash and is about walk free in two weeks

A white boy kills 4 people then he gets probation because he supposedly suffers from "affluenza." Then he flees the county with his mom, and even after that only has to do about 2 years in jail (180 days for each of his victims to be precise) and is about to be free,

Tell me the one again about how white privilege not existing?

He should be in prison charged as an adult

 

[Paul Essien]

He should be in prison charged as an adult

Fk out my face.

Whites kill me with that fake sh*t. Why aren't you ever in the courtroom ? Actually people like you are in the courtroom. But you talk a good game. But when your in that courtroom out-back when you and other white supremacist are putting the heat on you. "I think we should let him he's a good kid" you bk down and go along with white supremacy.

 

[Humorme]

IN MY OPINION, black people are more racist than whites.

OK. Let's stop right here.

OK. We are so racist. Right ? Then this should be an easy question for you to answer.

Name one thing that black people (as a group) have stopped white people (as a group) from doing that they had a right to do ? For example, denying them the right to work, own a home, live in a certain area, get a just trial, an education, or use any public facility.

And the answer is:

Publicly speak out about how they feel without fear of reprisals.

Wait, I'm letting you off that easy. Black people want to force themselves onto private businesses. They demand that private employers hire them, do business with them, and even hire them on an equal basis with other races, regardless of their qualifications.

They demand that private property owners rent to them and lease to them. In short, they have no respect for the concept of private property.

Now, before you get your boxers in a bunch and accuse me of racism, I've already faced death threats from white supremacists for repeating what I believe. I don't think the whites have the authority to force foreigners into becoming citizens in order to get a job. You want a laundry list?

IM2 has already threatened to go to the mods over my alleged "racism." He pretty well believes in screwing the First Amendment. And you?

 

[Humorme]

You're a spineless little man / woman without integrity, courage, or the ability to distinguish between right and wrong. It appears to me that you are getting your ass kicked on a forum made up of a cross section of America and you want others to step into an all black forum because when the audience is diverse, you are being laughed at for the nutjob you've proven to be.

Who are you referring to, someone at the WHCD - (White House Correspondence Dinner)?? Now that was an eye opener. Wow.

Dispicable stuff.

Hollywood has lost it's flipping mind in producing the kind of entertainers that it has now loosed upon society in which it is producing these days. Hollyweird has been highjacked over the years, and gone are the days of decency found in the humble products produced by the Giants like Disney and others that were once in tune with the character of decency, Christianity, ethics, morals, in which were once connected to the heartbeat of America (not anymore).

My comments were directed at IM2. He wants us to believe he is the ultimate authority on all things race related, but has to get into whizzing contests and call people names because, obviously, he has no point to make. I'm making my point about this in a series of rants and before I'm finished, many links will be offered in support of the position. Maybe someone can find useful info from it while IM2 presents it to all liberal forums so they investigate me for heresy.

I don't believe I am the ultimate authority on race, I do believe I am more of an authority than you. You keep saying I have no point make but when we look at our discussion I've destroyed your premise every time. All you are proving is there are whites in 2018 who think the same way whites did 200 years ag0.

What can I say, dude? You're a legend in your own mind that has yet to disprove a single sentence of anything I've written. Your buddies have had the intellect to move on as what I've been posting about is not a personality contest. The fact that you think you are more of an authority than me is the most laughable part. In case you haven't noticed, NO white person is backing up what I'm posting about it - you are exactly 100 percent wrong about one thing - NO WHITES THINK LIKE I DO. That is soon to come when we look at how weak they are.

This is Part 6 of THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. You will find the other parts of this in posts 1445, 1448, 1460 1477, and 1488.

MOST Americans, black and white; conservative and liberal, Democrat and Republican confuse Liberty with citizenship. Between that and racial amalgamation (inter-racial marriage / sexual relationships) it's getting difficult to differentiate between races.

The blacks are the most racist. They claim to be greater authorities on the subject; they think they are due reparations for the past; they want the whites to stipulate to the black peoples misconceptions about history and race. If the whites fail to adopt the black peoples take on the subject, then the whites are accused of being "racist."

By contrast, the whites simply are not that racist. I understand much more about the black people and their attitude than I do the whites. Blacks will make much ado about racism (sic) as if feeling there is something special about your race is wrong. These are the same people who voted for Barack Obama. They didn't vote for him because he was the better candidate for our country; they voted for him in order for our country to have its first black president.

The black people have created this atmosphere in America that if you say something that offends them, you are locked out of the discussion and out of society in general. But, if they offend you by calling you a racist or implying you're burning crosses in their yard because you hold an opposing opinion, it's all good and acceptable. And, if the white feels offended by their remarks, it is of no societal consequence.

When the allegation is made that whites today think like those of 200 years ago, that is preposterous nonsense. For, if they did, the race war would be over in ninety days. Again, most whites cannot fathom that there is a difference between Liberty and citizenship. Their entire immigration agenda revolves around the misconception that only citizens are due unalienable Rights. And so, both sides base their viewpoint off the notion that the majority wins (mob rule.)

The major reason IM2 failed in his last argument is that in 1818, the white people would NOT have said it was okay for black people to become citizens. In 1818 the states decided who could come and go within a state, but only whites could be citizens. Clearly, whites in 1818 understood the difference between Liberty and citizenship.

Today, black people can be citizens (via an illegally passed Amendment), but they are obsessed with punishing the whites for the black peoples perception of history. And so, they are conducting a subtle form of genocide against the whites, preying upon programmed emotions related to slavery... an institution NOT initiated by the the whites. And the most telling of this, blacks are NOT grateful to the white race for being the ones to be the first to stop slavery. Oddly, I have never seen where the Bible condemns slavery per se, but if it's wrong, then the black people should step up to the plate, admit their role in being the first to start it, and hold themselves accountable for participating and profiting off of selling their brethren to the slave traders as it relates to America.

I'm going to make an example out of you.

Are you going to use your clout to prove you can shut down the First Amendment?

 

[Humorme]

What can I say, dude? You're a legend in your own mind that has yet to disprove a single sentence of anything I've written. Your buddies have had the intellect to move on as what I've been posting about is not a personality contest. The fact that you think you are more of an authority than me is the most laughable part. In case you haven't noticed, NO white person is backing up what I'm posting about it - you are exactly 100 percent wrong about one thing - NO WHITES THINK LIKE I DO. That is soon to come when we look at how weak they are.
The Israelites would like the reparations owed them by blacks for holding them in slavery.

If they had been enslaved by Blacks on American soil, they would have likely already received them.

You're going to have to explain that one.

It's pretty simple. We are talking about America. Not Egypt 10,000 years ago. Because Moses, an Israelite, was black. And the Israelites got reparations in the form of the promised land. You really don't understand how stupid, inaccurate and racist your argument really is.

Moses was not black. OMG. Revisionist history. You have got to be kidding.

True revisionist history is that which whites have been teaching.

LMFAO

 

[IM2]

Then take your argument to an all black forum. I've done all of what you have done and more. I am here in a forum of whites expressing my opposition to white racism. Why would you be s scared of an ambush if your views are what is needed to be heard. I'm not asking you to do anything I'm not dig but you are scared to do what I suggest. You came in here talking that Billy Jack bullshit and I am standing up with you man up and busting your ass at every turn. I'm and the he blacks here are outnumbered here 10 to 1 and we keep on whupping ass. Seems to me you are the one who can't handle the truth and think the odds won't favor you unless the odds at in YOUR favor.

There ain't no klan with a tan grand cyclops, there is only the pale skinned KKK who believes America is New Jerusalem and made to be a whites only nation.

You're a spineless little man / woman without integrity, courage, or the ability to distinguish between right and wrong. It appears to me that you are getting your ass kicked on a forum made up of a cross section of America and you want others to step into an all black forum because when the audience is diverse, you are being laughed at for the nutjob you've proven to be.

LOL!

While you LOL at your predicament ...

This is Part 5 of THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. You will find the first three parts of this in posts 1445, 1448, 1460 and 1477

I left off with making the point that Liberty is a God given - unalienable Right. It is a foundational principle upon which America was built.

"Our Consolation must be this, my dear, that Cities may be rebuilt, and a People reduced to Poverty, may acquire fresh Property: But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty once lost is lost forever. When the People once surrender their share in the Legislature, and their Right of defending the Limitations upon the Government, and of resisting every Encroachment upon them, they can never regain it." (Excerpt from a letter written by John Adams to Abigail Adams 7 July 1775)

There is a misconception by both the right and the left. BOTH sides believe that Liberty is tied to citizenship. It isn't. Citizenship, like voting is a privilege. Neither are unalienable Rights. We may call them rights (sic), but they lack some important attributes that are unlike unalienable Rights. Some of what we call "rights" are actually privileges. Unlike unalienable Rights, a government "right" is given to you by a government, not a Creator. It is revocable and an unalienable Right isn't, and the majority can vote your government into oblivion. Unalienable Rights are NOT subject to a popularity vote.

In the THIRD part of this ongoing ran (see Post #1460) catsteve2012 wrote:

"We built America, not you. You exist here because we allow you too. and based on its history, we have the right to determine if YOU should be here or not"

Of course, since for the most part, EVERY tax paying American citizen who was born here and resides here, has a right to be here..."

Here, catsteve2012 makes an inaccurate (and racist) statement. We do not see blacks stepping up to the plate and offering the Israelites reparations for their hard work while held in slavery. And now, the blacks claim they "built" America. Well, they may have put in the labor, but, unfortunately, that is NOT the meaning of the word the way we use it. See my previous posts for more info.

Today, we find ourselves in very precarious predicament. The Preamble of the Constitution states, unequivocally, WHO that document pertains to along with the first Naturalization laws saying that in order to become a citizen, one had to be a white person of good character. That is all fact. Then history records that the Dred Scott decision confirming that inspired the Republicans to pass the 14th Amendment... which was done illegally:

The Fourteenth Amendment is Unconstitutional - Judge L.H. Perez

14th Amendment is actually ILLEGAL as it was never RATIFIED!

http://www.constitution.org/14ll/no14th.htm

Legality of the 14th Amendment (Congressional Record)

When you have judges, lawyers, historians, civil libertarians, news outlets, and constitutionalists calling the 14th Amendment into question, the matter deserves to be discussed.

IF the 14th Amendment was not legally ratified, then the black people who are claiming citizenship are no more "citizens" than migrant worker who slid under the wall from Mexico. Now, my personal position is that even IF whites ever addressed the legality of the 14th Amendment and over-turned it, there is STILL the issue of whether or not all men have unalienable Rights. Today, the Trumpeteers make this asinine argument that the 14th Amendment did not include children who were born here, but their parents had no papers.

I can promise you today that argument will fail in the Courts. It has nothing to do with what side of this argument you perceive me to be on, but based upon the FACTS as I know them. WHEN that crazy argument fails them, the Trumpeteers are left with two choices: challenging the legality of the 14th Amendment or an internal and civil war. The alternative is that the liberals and non-whites will vote the conservatives and whites into oblivion.

IM2, stay tuned. Things are just beginning to warm up.

No we are going to end this. THS s pure racism ad its time the moderators did something about it.

Yeah, if you're offended, the moderators may end this. You're a racist and you don't like the truth. I'm not calling you names; I'm not advocating for any course of action; not one thing you can say against me will be indicative of racism. You simply don't like the truth.

I guess you missed that part wherein I disagreed with the whites. But, the whole problem is, if YOU disagree with something, it must be racist and it's got to stop. Meanwhile you make the most ludicrous statements and fail to back them up. So, I'm going to continue to challenge your misconceptions with the truth AND point out to the whites how they are pigeonholing themselves so that we are required to agree with idiocy like yours in order be able to have any viewpoint on the subject.

This is Part 7 of THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. You will find the other parts of this in posts 1445, 1448, 1460 1477, 1488, and 1505.

Just as a review, IM2 is accusing me of being a racist. I told him of our history as a nation; how our forefathers saw themselves as building a New Jerusalem and so forth. Perhaps he'd like a few links:

Apocalypticism Explained | Apocalypse! FRONTLINE | PBS

America, Gathering Israel to Zion, and the Book of Mormon

PBS is hardly a "racist" site. While not a Mormon, they have a sentiment along those lines and I never saw them as being racist.

Is it racist to point out that the founders put it in our first Naturalization statute that only whites of good moral character could become citizens?

Politico will confirm what our first naturalization laws were:

U.S. enacts first immigration law, March 26, 1790

Is THAT racist? Is politico.com a racist site?

Is the observation that IM2, and those like him, want to censor anything they disagree with in order to discuss the subject a racist proposition?

I'm stating what I can prove through reliable sources. I'm not calling IM2 any names nor trying to denigrate him. He keeps saying he's kicking my ass, but he's running off to the moderators to keep me from posting facts from bona fide sources. For the most part I don't even bother telling you my personal view on racism - except as an issue of strategy... and then I was critical of the whites who concern themselves with Donald Trump and his entourage - of whom I think are headed for a certain legal defeat.

Just in case some people DO have the clout it takes to stifle an opinion, I will give you a piece of my opinion and hope that a couple of people will consider this:

IN MY OPINION, black people are more racist than whites. The biggest reason is, they pretend to be all upset over slavery. Honestly, slavery was quite tame compared to the treatment of soldiers captured by the Japanese during World War II. We've kissed, made up and now Japan, a self described racially pure nation, does business inside the United States and it's all good. Nobody has a problem with that kind of racism.

The reality is when slaves were brought to the United States, they were generally sold as families when possible because they were more productive that way. Many were taught to be craftsmen and were even paid for their services - AND they lived better than their white counterparts that were blue collar workers. My source for this is a book entitled Time on the Cross - the Economics of American Negro Slavery by Robert Fogel and Stanley Engerman

Time on the Cross - Wikipedia

The link is worth checking out and remember that Engle and Fogerman were two mainstream professors of economics..

I'm not sourcing them as a defense of slavery, but rather to give the balance of my own opinion context:

Blacks make much ado over racism and use slavery as their primary pretext as justification. Yet these are the people who, for the most part, prop up the Democrats. IM2 doesn't like the First Amendment and there goes your freedom of Speech, the Press, and Religion. Democrats hate, loathe, and despise the Second Amendment. On and on I could go, but at the end of the day, the majority of black people vote against Liberty. They have no use for it. Now they want control over the United States - for a number of reasons as previously discussed. White people have fought in the trenches and bled along with black people in establishing rights for them.

Still, they come to this board and say that no white has experienced racism. That is a lie and an insult. An insult to your enemy is of no great loss. Insulting the guy who had your back in a foxhole is not acceptable. And what drives black people to do and say what they are doing on this thread is racism... plain and simple. Whether you think I'm right or wrong, that is my opinion. I've fought to protect and defend that right.

No one white has experienced racism. I don't give a damn what you fought for. You are here trying to justify white supremacy. And all you have really done is show how policies were created that denied blacks from even the most basic right in this country, that is citizenship. And still now you want t deny us citizenship based upon a claim how this was a nation that was established to be for whites only. You are a racist.

I'm going to the moderators because blacks get warnings, posts deleted, banned from conversations and temporary vacations for far less than the racist shit you have been posting. So you can stop whining about the first amendment.

 

[IM2]

Who are you referring to, someone at the WHCD - (White House Correspondence Dinner)?? Now that was an eye opener. Wow.

Dispicable stuff.

Hollywood has lost it's flipping mind in producing the kind of entertainers that it has now loosed upon society in which it is producing these days. Hollyweird has been highjacked over the years, and gone are the days of decency found in the humble products produced by the Giants like Disney and others that were once in tune with the character of decency, Christianity, ethics, morals, in which were once connected to the heartbeat of America (not anymore).

My comments were directed at IM2. He wants us to believe he is the ultimate authority on all things race related, but has to get into whizzing contests and call people names because, obviously, he has no point to make. I'm making my point about this in a series of rants and before I'm finished, many links will be offered in support of the position. Maybe someone can find useful info from it while IM2 presents it to all liberal forums so they investigate me for heresy.

I don't believe I am the ultimate authority on race, I do believe I am more of an authority than you. You keep saying I have no point make but when we look at our discussion I've destroyed your premise every time. All you are proving is there are whites in 2018 who think the same way whites did 200 years ag0.

What can I say, dude? You're a legend in your own mind that has yet to disprove a single sentence of anything I've written. Your buddies have had the intellect to move on as what I've been posting about is not a personality contest. The fact that you think you are more of an authority than me is the most laughable part. In case you haven't noticed, NO white person is backing up what I'm posting about it - you are exactly 100 percent wrong about one thing - NO WHITES THINK LIKE I DO. That is soon to come when we look at how weak they are.

This is Part 6 of THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. You will find the other parts of this in posts 1445, 1448, 1460 1477, and 1488.

MOST Americans, black and white; conservative and liberal, Democrat and Republican confuse Liberty with citizenship. Between that and racial amalgamation (inter-racial marriage / sexual relationships) it's getting difficult to differentiate between races.

The blacks are the most racist. They claim to be greater authorities on the subject; they think they are due reparations for the past; they want the whites to stipulate to the black peoples misconceptions about history and race. If the whites fail to adopt the black peoples take on the subject, then the whites are accused of being "racist."

By contrast, the whites simply are not that racist. I understand much more about the black people and their attitude than I do the whites. Blacks will make much ado about racism (sic) as if feeling there is something special about your race is wrong. These are the same people who voted for Barack Obama. They didn't vote for him because he was the better candidate for our country; they voted for him in order for our country to have its first black president.

The black people have created this atmosphere in America that if you say something that offends them, you are locked out of the discussion and out of society in general. But, if they offend you by calling you a racist or implying you're burning crosses in their yard because you hold an opposing opinion, it's all good and acceptable. And, if the white feels offended by their remarks, it is of no societal consequence.

When the allegation is made that whites today think like those of 200 years ago, that is preposterous nonsense. For, if they did, the race war would be over in ninety days. Again, most whites cannot fathom that there is a difference between Liberty and citizenship. Their entire immigration agenda revolves around the misconception that only citizens are due unalienable Rights. And so, both sides base their viewpoint off the notion that the majority wins (mob rule.)

The major reason IM2 failed in his last argument is that in 1818, the white people would NOT have said it was okay for black people to become citizens. In 1818 the states decided who could come and go within a state, but only whites could be citizens. Clearly, whites in 1818 understood the difference between Liberty and citizenship.

Today, black people can be citizens (via an illegally passed Amendment), but they are obsessed with punishing the whites for the black peoples perception of history. And so, they are conducting a subtle form of genocide against the whites, preying upon programmed emotions related to slavery... an institution NOT initiated by the the whites. And the most telling of this, blacks are NOT grateful to the white race for being the ones to be the first to stop slavery. Oddly, I have never seen where the Bible condemns slavery per se, but if it's wrong, then the black people should step up to the plate, admit their role in being the first to start it, and hold themselves accountable for participating and profiting off of selling their brethren to the slave traders as it relates to America.

I'm going to make an example out of you.

Are you going to use your clout to prove you can shut down the First Amendment?

What clout am I suppose to have according to your imagination?

 

[Paul Essien]

And the answer is:
Publicly speak out about how they feel without fear of reprisals.

African Americans can't be called racist more racist than whites because we don't have the ability to deny anyone.

But come back to me when black people begin lynching, raping, oppressing, exploiting, shooting, jailing, whipping, maiming, torturing, evangelizing, robbing, stereotyping, bullying, bombing, segregating, building highways and thruways to dislocate and dismantle businesses, communities and neighborhoods; creating sun-down towns, experimenting on, discriminating against, prohibiting, murdering, holding back and controlling in every imaginable way, hating white ppl en mass via de jure and de facto racism for hundreds of years, then and only then can calling black people racists make sense.

But let's look at this "We whites can't speak out about how they feel without fear of reprisals"

So what do you want to say ?

You want to shout from the roof tops that "You hate n.i.g.g.e.r.s" ? You have a system that tells us that everyday.

Next

So what do what do you want to say about black people that you can't without fear of reprisals ?

You want insult black people verbally face to face ?

Well there are gonna be reprisals and could end with you getting your ass kicked or even worse.

That you won’t be able to understand this simple point is nothing so much as your own sense of entitlement. Whites are not used to anyone telling them that they can’t do something and you take offense when your freedom to offend is constrained.

Plus how you or anyone could believe you can't critique black people when we live in a global culture where critique of black people is a daily, hourly, minute-by-minute pastime is beyond me.

You have Donald Trump in the big house and white people still complain ? A man who is gonna be the most pro-white president in a long time.

And you still complain ?

The fact is if you are a white person living in the most European nations or in the US you experience less censorship than any other demographic on this planet. You have easier access to more resources including paper, pens, computers and dictaphones. Not only do you have more ability to access the internet to publish online. You have n*ggermania, shitskin, chimpout and chimpmania websites where you can talk shit about black people all day.

White people also have the world's strongest publishing industry statistically supporting them more than any other group where you read books like the Bell Curve which tries to prove how stupid black people are.

Nobody is less prevented from writing whatever they want to than whites. White supremacist are allowed to run a muck on here, run a muck on twitter, run a muck on facebook, run a muck reddit, run a muck on 4chan.

So once again what do what do you want to say about black people that you can't without fear of reprisals ?

 

[Humorme]

You're a spineless little man / woman without integrity, courage, or the ability to distinguish between right and wrong. It appears to me that you are getting your ass kicked on a forum made up of a cross section of America and you want others to step into an all black forum because when the audience is diverse, you are being laughed at for the nutjob you've proven to be.

LOL!

While you LOL at your predicament ...

This is Part 5 of THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. You will find the first three parts of this in posts 1445, 1448, 1460,1477 and 1516

I left off with making the point that Liberty is a God given - unalienable Right. It is a foundational principle upon which America was built.

"Our Consolation must be this, my dear, that Cities may be rebuilt, and a People reduced to Poverty, may acquire fresh Property: But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty once lost is lost forever. When the People once surrender their share in the Legislature, and their Right of defending the Limitations upon the Government, and of resisting every Encroachment upon them, they can never regain it." (Excerpt from a letter written by John Adams to Abigail Adams 7 July 1775)

There is a misconception by both the right and the left. BOTH sides believe that Liberty is tied to citizenship. It isn't. Citizenship, like voting is a privilege. Neither are unalienable Rights. We may call them rights (sic), but they lack some important attributes that are unlike unalienable Rights. Some of what we call "rights" are actually privileges. Unlike unalienable Rights, a government "right" is given to you by a government, not a Creator. It is revocable and an unalienable Right isn't, and the majority can vote your government into oblivion. Unalienable Rights are NOT subject to a popularity vote.

In the THIRD part of this ongoing ran (see Post #1460) catsteve2012 wrote:

"We built America, not you. You exist here because we allow you too. and based on its history, we have the right to determine if YOU should be here or not"

Of course, since for the most part, EVERY tax paying American citizen who was born here and resides here, has a right to be here..."

Here, catsteve2012 makes an inaccurate (and racist) statement. We do not see blacks stepping up to the plate and offering the Israelites reparations for their hard work while held in slavery. And now, the blacks claim they "built" America. Well, they may have put in the labor, but, unfortunately, that is NOT the meaning of the word the way we use it. See my previous posts for more info.

Today, we find ourselves in very precarious predicament. The Preamble of the Constitution states, unequivocally, WHO that document pertains to along with the first Naturalization laws saying that in order to become a citizen, one had to be a white person of good character. That is all fact. Then history records that the Dred Scott decision confirming that inspired the Republicans to pass the 14th Amendment... which was done illegally:

The Fourteenth Amendment is Unconstitutional - Judge L.H. Perez

14th Amendment is actually ILLEGAL as it was never RATIFIED!

http://www.constitution.org/14ll/no14th.htm

Legality of the 14th Amendment (Congressional Record)

When you have judges, lawyers, historians, civil libertarians, news outlets, and constitutionalists calling the 14th Amendment into question, the matter deserves to be discussed.

IF the 14th Amendment was not legally ratified, then the black people who are claiming citizenship are no more "citizens" than migrant worker who slid under the wall from Mexico. Now, my personal position is that even IF whites ever addressed the legality of the 14th Amendment and over-turned it, there is STILL the issue of whether or not all men have unalienable Rights. Today, the Trumpeteers make this asinine argument that the 14th Amendment did not include children who were born here, but their parents had no papers.

I can promise you today that argument will fail in the Courts. It has nothing to do with what side of this argument you perceive me to be on, but based upon the FACTS as I know them. WHEN that crazy argument fails them, the Trumpeteers are left with two choices: challenging the legality of the 14th Amendment or an internal and civil war. The alternative is that the liberals and non-whites will vote the conservatives and whites into oblivion.

IM2, stay tuned. Things are just beginning to warm up.

No we are going to end this. THS s pure racism ad its time the moderators did something about it.

Yeah, if you're offended, the moderators may end this. You're a racist and you don't like the truth. I'm not calling you names; I'm not advocating for any course of action; not one thing you can say against me will be indicative of racism. You simply don't like the truth.

I guess you missed that part wherein I disagreed with the whites. But, the whole problem is, if YOU disagree with something, it must be racist and it's got to stop. Meanwhile you make the most ludicrous statements and fail to back them up. So, I'm going to continue to challenge your misconceptions with the truth AND point out to the whites how they are pigeonholing themselves so that we are required to agree with idiocy like yours in order be able to have any viewpoint on the subject.

This is Part 7 of THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. You will find the other parts of this in posts 1445, 1448, 1460 1477, 1488, and 1505.

Just as a review, IM2 is accusing me of being a racist. I told him of our history as a nation; how our forefathers saw themselves as building a New Jerusalem and so forth. Perhaps he'd like a few links:

Apocalypticism Explained | Apocalypse! FRONTLINE | PBS

America, Gathering Israel to Zion, and the Book of Mormon

PBS is hardly a "racist" site. While not a Mormon, they have a sentiment along those lines and I never saw them as being racist.

Is it racist to point out that the founders put it in our first Naturalization statute that only whites of good moral character could become citizens?

Politico will confirm what our first naturalization laws were:

U.S. enacts first immigration law, March 26, 1790

Is THAT racist? Is politico.com a racist site?

Is the observation that IM2, and those like him, want to censor anything they disagree with in order to discuss the subject a racist proposition?

I'm stating what I can prove through reliable sources. I'm not calling IM2 any names nor trying to denigrate him. He keeps saying he's kicking my ass, but he's running off to the moderators to keep me from posting facts from bona fide sources. For the most part I don't even bother telling you my personal view on racism - except as an issue of strategy... and then I was critical of the whites who concern themselves with Donald Trump and his entourage - of whom I think are headed for a certain legal defeat.

Just in case some people DO have the clout it takes to stifle an opinion, I will give you a piece of my opinion and hope that a couple of people will consider this:

IN MY OPINION, black people are more racist than whites. The biggest reason is, they pretend to be all upset over slavery. Honestly, slavery was quite tame compared to the treatment of soldiers captured by the Japanese during World War II. We've kissed, made up and now Japan, a self described racially pure nation, does business inside the United States and it's all good. Nobody has a problem with that kind of racism.

The reality is when slaves were brought to the United States, they were generally sold as families when possible because they were more productive that way. Many were taught to be craftsmen and were even paid for their services - AND they lived better than their white counterparts that were blue collar workers. My source for this is a book entitled Time on the Cross - the Economics of American Negro Slavery by Robert Fogel and Stanley Engerman

Time on the Cross - Wikipedia

The link is worth checking out and remember that Engle and Fogerman were two mainstream professors of economics..

I'm not sourcing them as a defense of slavery, but rather to give the balance of my own opinion context:

Blacks make much ado over racism and use slavery as their primary pretext as justification. Yet these are the people who, for the most part, prop up the Democrats. IM2 doesn't like the First Amendment and there goes your freedom of Speech, the Press, and Religion. Democrats hate, loathe, and despise the Second Amendment. On and on I could go, but at the end of the day, the majority of black people vote against Liberty. They have no use for it. Now they want control over the United States - for a number of reasons as previously discussed. White people have fought in the trenches and bled along with black people in establishing rights for them.

Still, they come to this board and say that no white has experienced racism. That is a lie and an insult. An insult to your enemy is of no great loss. Insulting the guy who had your back in a foxhole is not acceptable. And what drives black people to do and say what they are doing on this thread is racism... plain and simple. Whether you think I'm right or wrong, that is my opinion. I've fought to protect and defend that right.

No one white has experienced racism. I don't give a damn what you fought for. You are here trying to justify white supremacy. And all you have really done is show how policies were created that denied blacks from even the most basic right in this country, that is citizenship. And still now you want t deny us citizenship based upon a claim how this was a nation that was established to be for whites only. You are a racist.

I'm going to the moderators because blacks get warnings, posts deleted, banned from conversations and temporary vacations for far less than the racist shit you have been posting. So you can stop whining about the first amendment.

This is Part 8 of THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. You will find the other parts of this in posts 1445, 1448, 1460 1477, 1488, 1505 and 1516.

What I'm telling you are facts and do not necessarily reflect on my personal opinions. You don't give a damn what I say? Then tell us this: Why do you read and respond to what I've said?

How about these names? Andrew Goodman, Michael Schwerner, Viola Liuzzo?

I told you that America was founded by whites and showed you some of the laws (including our first Naturalization Act.) How, in your mind, does that justify white supremacy? Telling you the truth justifies white supremacy, how exactly?

The reality is, you came here trash talking me and when the facts didn't go your way, you go running off to the mods. And, no sir, anybody with an IQ their shoe size or larger can read my posts and see they are NOT about white supremacy.

America was built upon the premise that only whites could be citizens. You're a straight up LIAR to insinuate that I've told you what I would like to see for the future. But, when you make this idiotic claim that no white ever experienced racism when I can name scores that have been beaten and even killed defending you, to say you are dishonest and ungrateful are insults to those words. I'd bet dollars against doughnuts that you have junk in your house, at this very moment, that was made in Japan or China.

Their countries are predominantly all one people. Why did THEY have a right to create nations predicated upon one people and the U.S. did not? How did you come to single out the white race for the object of your hatred? Unlike places like China, Japan, North Korea and Zimbabwe, while the United States did not allow foreigners to become citizens, they did allow them to come here and take part in the free market system.

I've had no problem with black people - or anyone else coming here to take part in the free market system. I've voiced a lot of support for people to come here and take advantage of opportunities willingly offered only to be called "one of those open border nutjobs" by the white supremacists. How in the HELL do you justify accusing me of white supremacy???

Because you got banned, you find that justification for lobbying for censorship? You thought that what got done to you was wrong, so you want an unfair action to be taken against me? Ask the mods what I demand. If they ban you or give you any infraction for ANYTHING you say to me, I will fight for your Rights to the extent that my posts are not deleted. The only problem I have is when people initiate a board fight get to keep up the troll post that started a problem while my posts get deleted. IF that happens, I have a problem with everybody. The reality is, you called me out and and now we have a list of the rants I'm doing until I make all my points... and we're almost there.

In my view, you do not deserve to be a citizen of the United States. It has NOTHING to do with the hue of your skin. My objection to you is your attitude toward the First Amendment. Those who advocate treason have no place in this country.

 

[Paul Essien]

 

[IM2]

I hate to tell you but Whites did not build this nation. This system was the product of whites excluding everyone else from the decision making process. You made claims about Americans fighting wars without claiming a single bit of land for themselves. Are you insane?

If whites wanted a homeland for whites they should have stayed where it was all white. Because this country was not going to be all white when at last 500 non white nations were already here. Sane whites understand their history. That is why you post his crap anonymously in a race and racism section in a small internet forum because you know good and well that you are posting a bunch of extremist crap. You don't dare take this any non white forum. That's why I say you are a coward. I'm here with a few blacks in a mostly white forum opposing the racism of the likes of you with fact. You post your drivel only here where whites who are as dumb and racist as you will cosign and make you feel good about yourself.

FWIW:

You called me a coward. The buck stops there. Okay. The reality is since I was a young kid, I've been willing to meet anyone, at any time. Going on an all black forum is not cowardice. It would be the same as calling you chickenshit for not taking your racist tripe to a Klan rally and showing up alone.

When I was growing up, there are some things you did not say to another man. It usually meant you were shopping for a fight. Today, people like you can say idiotic things and I accept personal challenges, then I'm accused of threatening people. That is why, man to man, you spew shit you don't have the balls to say to people's face. IF you meant to call me out, you'd have done so in a PM. So, if you see a coward, it's the one that looks at you in the mirror every day.

For years I sponsored public meetings twice a month. I've been on tv, radio, and in newspapers. The last guy who made the same claims as you on this board is a National Socialist. He was so gutless that he shoots through my kitchen window. So, Klan with a tan, blow smoke all you like, but YOU are the one who wants me to walk into an ambush because you've proven that YOU can't handle the truth and think the odds won't favor you unless the odds are stacked against me 10 to 1. You are spineless and you don't have even a portion of the truth.

Then take your argument to an all black forum. I've done all of what you have done and more. I am here in a forum of whites expressing my opposition to white racism. Why would you be s scared of an ambush if your views are what is needed to be heard. I'm not asking you to do anything I'm not dig but you are scared to do what I suggest. You came in here talking that Billy Jack bullshit and I am standing up with you man up and busting your ass at every turn. I'm and the he blacks here are outnumbered here 10 to 1 and we keep on whupping ass. Seems to me you are the one who can't handle the truth and think the odds won't favor you unless the odds at in YOUR favor.

There ain't no klan with a tan grand cyclops, there is only the pale skinned KKK who believes America is New Jerusalem and made to be a whites only nation.

Nobody ambushes you. If is the other way around. Your mindthought seems to lean toward violence. What an angry little man, pity.

I'm not the one who said anything about an ambush. Learn to read. I pity you because you are dumb. .For example when a white person tries to diss a black person for being angry, this is saying that you have no right to be angry about what we do to you because we are superior to you. And you are too dumb to see how racist that really is.

So while you move along in classic valley girl fashion at age 60 something while ignoring all the racism posted here in these forums while telling us how its all in the past, don't be as dumb to think we have no right to be angry about the racism we still see .going on.

Because Humone has posted 4 essays justifying white supremacy and instead of criticizing him for that, you are here talking stupid about how I am rhe racist. But you are not a racist, you just don't say anything to white racists and you jump all over blacks calling them racists for pointing out white racism. No you are not a racist, you just felt fine contributing to racist threads by whites but when a black person says we should have a conversation about race suddenly why should we talk abut race. Oh no you aren't a racist but when another white woman decided to agree with blacks you called her a black apologist. No, you are not a racist, you felt fine posting in threads by whites that denigrated blacks, but when blacks started to fight back, suddenly why must we make everything about race in a section where race is supposed to be discussed.

Of course you will deny these things and that's doesn't bother me for in the end I am not the one you must answer to.

I dont diss you because you are black, i despise your arrogant attitude, you are the one who thinks you are superior to whites. When did i call someone an apologist? Unless a white person apologizes for something whites did to blacks before our time, i would have no issue with it and again it is not racist. Disagreeing with you is not racist, where did i agree with whites denegrating blacks? Liar, you are really pathetic

I have never said was superior to anyone. I have spoken truth. You can't handle he truth. You are where you at because of things done before our time. But that's how dumb you are. Things that happened before your time is why you barbeque on July 4th every year. So you don't get to ignore it because it shows that you are where you are today as result of evil included in the same past you celebrate on the fourth of July.

You have not endured for one day in your life anything me and the other blacks here have during our lifetimes. The least of my concerns is some white person telling me they don't like me because I'm black. But if that happens to you that's a major case. I've been denied jobs, promotions, harassed by cops and accused of crimes. I never have had a criminal record. Because of the police harassment I have endured that still happens even now in my advanced age, I do not leave my house after dark. During my years of work I have received those funny phone calls where I got called racial slurs, my life threatened, letters with pictures of blacks hanging, more threats, pictures of monkeys and apes all because I was opposing white racism. One black here has described where he had to watch his parents get shit and piss thrown on them by whites. That's racism Molly and until you experience these things you haven't experienced racism. You can argue till hell freezes over about what you think I don't know about what you or whites haven't experienced but if you had experienced any of these things, you would not hold the positions you do today.

 

[Humorme]

And the answer is:
Publicly speak out about how they feel without fear of reprisals.

African Americans can't be called racist more racist than whites because we don't have the ability to deny anyone.

But come back to me when black people begin lynching, raping, oppressing, exploiting, shooting, jailing, whipping, maiming, torturing, evangelizing, robbing, stereotyping, bullying, bombing, segregating, building highways and thruways to dislocate and dismantle businesses, communities and neighborhoods; creating sun-down towns, experimenting on, discriminating against, prohibiting, murdering, holding back and controlling in every imaginable way, hating white ppl en mass via de jure and de facto racism for hundreds of years, then and only then can calling black people racists make sense.

But let's look at this "We whites can't speak out about how they feel without fear of reprisals"

So what do you want to say ?

You want to shout from the roof tops that "You hate n.i.g.g.e.r.s" ? You have a system that tells us that everyday.

Next

So what do what do you want to say about black people that you can't without fear of reprisals ?

You want insult black people verbally face to face ?

Well there are gonna be reprisals and could end with you getting your ass kicked or even worse.

That you won’t be able to understand this simple point is nothing so much as your own sense of entitlement. Whites are not used to anyone telling them that they can’t do something and you take offense when your freedom to offend is constrained.

Plus how you or anyone could believe you can't critique black people when we live in a global culture where critique of black people is a daily, hourly, minute-by-minute pastime is beyond me.

You have Donald Trump in the big house and white people still complain ? A man who is gonna be the most pro-white president in a long time.

And you still complain ?

The fact is if you are a white person living in the most European nations or in the US you experience less censorship than any other demographic on this planet. You have easier access to more resources including paper, pens, computers and dictaphones. Not only do you have more ability to access the internet to publish online. You have n*ggermania, shitskin, chimpout and chimpmania websites where you can talk shit about black people all day.

White people also have the world's strongest publishing industry statistically supporting them more than any other group where you read books like the Bell Curve which tries to prove how stupid black people are.

Nobody is less prevented from writing whatever they want to than whites. White supremacist are allowed to run a muck on here, run a muck on twitter, run a muck on facebook, run a muck reddit, run a muck on 4chan.

So once again what do what do you want to say about black people that you can't without fear of reprisals ?

This is Part 9 of THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. You will find the other parts of this in posts 1445, 1448, 1460 1477, 1488,1505, 1516, and 1532. I'm just having to respond to a different poster.

1) In America, blacks have been found guilty of raping, oppressing, exploiting, shooting, jailing, whipping, maiming, torturing, evangelizing, robbing, stereotyping, bullying, and segregating - even when they get a free pass. To the rest of your complaints, I'd have to do a bit of research in order to respond

2) According to the Washington Times:

"Is Jamie Foxx a racist? The actor recently hosted “Saturday Night Live,” delivering a rant that was supposed to be funny. It wasn’t. In fact, had a white person delivered the same monologue but simply exchanged the word “white” for “black,” his career would be over. The hypocrisy and double standard are egregious. They must stop. Black bigotry should no longer be condoned, let alone celebrated."

KUHNER: Jamie Foxx and the rise of black bigotry

3) EVERYTHING that I've said on this board, I'm willing to say it to anyone's face. I once knew a guy that had a mouth like you. He had clout though. He was Martin Luther King, Jr.s right hand man. He had a tv show and I ended up debating him face to face. His name was Hosea Williams. When that discussion ended, the show was NOT renewed for another season... and everything I wanted to say at that time was said. I keep repeating this son. You can't call people out in open forum. If you want to make a challenge; do it in a PM

4) Personally, I don't have the capacity to hate anyone. God's law supersedes ALL the other laws. But, I have been admonished to "Debate thy cause with thy neighbour himself; and discover not a secret to another:" Proverbs 25 : 9

Black people make a lot of false statements, but they don't want us to remind them of how dishonest they are and how wrong they are. No black person ever lost their Hollywood gig nor their sports position for saying things against whites, but they have said things...

5) Donald Trump is not a friend to the white people. He has settled for National Socialist solutions; he has preached a doctrine of intolerance for undocumented foreigners while employing them; he supports an agenda that, over time, will be very costly to the whites in terms of their Liberty and Freedom; Trump has no regard for unalienable Rights.

IF you were wise, you would celebrate Trump. His actions have made the liberals more determined to win than under any president in history. Democrats will retake the Senate - maybe the House and Trump's policies are deliberately designed to fail. So YOU should be happy.

As a side note, I should not have to go off into the Twilight Zone among kooks just to tell you that black people can and are just as racist as whites... but moreso, because, as the Washington Times article implied, black people are NOT held accountable in the mainstream for their racist attitudes.

 

[katsteve2012]

Depending on how one interprets history
There is nothing for me to "lose" here. It's an anonymous forum, frequented by a majority of people like YOU that I am elated to NOT KNOW personally.

Sure there is. You made an argument that your friend was justified in calling me a vile insult for no reason.


You lost that argument. You lose.


That this is an anonymous forum, doesn't change that. That it won't change your life, doesn't change that.


Nothing about my statement implies real significant harm to you.


Yet, you took a stupid stance, and you lost.

In a few cases, there are some here who make sense.

Your warped perception of what is "vile" versus what is not, in a setting like this is childish and resembles the logic of a 10 year old, who failed the 5th grade.

In our society, "racist" is a very serious insult. Careers, lives are ruined by being labeled as such, whether the accusation is true or not.


To deny that it is a vile insult, is absurd.

It is an indisputable fact that in a forum called "Race Relations" even the most benign and innocuous individual will at some point in time be referred to as a "Racist".

Only because assholes like to call people names. Nothing I have said in this thread justifies calling me such a name, and I have demonstrated that, by challenging your friend to back it up, and her utter failure to do so.

You are quick on the trigger to accuse others of "race baiting" and in turn have no moral compass regarding some of what you have stated.

I am quick to call people on race baiting. It is a real problem in our society, and assholes who do it, need to be called on their shit.


My morals are fine.

And when you do get called out, you throw a whiny bitch tantrum.

ANd that's just an ass trying to minimizing my proper response to asses being asses.


Your lie is rejected.

If you can't understand that, and accept that by visiting this forum you WILL be subject to what everyone else here experiences, you're a damn fool.

I'm well aware that the world if full of lefty race baiting assholes, and I enjoy that on this site I get to call them on their bullshit.

You are not unique or above anyone else who posts here.

My arguments stand on their own merits or don't. That you feel a need to attack me personally, shows that my arguments are such that you cannot refute them.

But you appear to believe that you are.

Nope. Nothing I have said supports that stupid claim.

That makes you delusional.

Said the man that thinks that not answering a question is reason to call someone racist.

You are a ridiculous drama queen. If your idea of a "vile insult" is being called a racist on a "race relations" message board you are a fool just as you were accurately called.

It is a vile insult in our culture, and your denial of this just reveals you to be a liar.

There are no winners or losers here, and if in your little mind, there are, then that makes you look even more foolish, and hypersensitive than you actually are, if thats possible.

Says the man arguing that "racist" is not a vile insult in our culture. AND that not answering a question is reason enough to be called one.

You got called a racist, and to a number of people here, you appear to be.

Which is interesting, because NOTHING I say actually fits the actual definition of racist.

When people call me a racist, they are lying and race baiting.

Name one person who post here who has not been called a racist, quite a few have been by none other than you.

1. That a lot of people throw that word around stupidly and wrongly and vilely, does not support your argument. It just shows that there are a lot of assholes in the world.


2. I actually call people racist, when they are saying racist things or supporting racist policies, like discriminating against people based on race.

That's when it is i reasonable to call someone a racist. Not when they do not answer a question and so you assume their answer and then judge them based on your assumption.

And if you continue to post here, you will be called one again.

No doubt. And I will call you race baiters on your behavior, when you do it.

Get over it. You aren't special.

Again with the trying to make it about me.


My arguments stand or don't stand, based on their own merits. I have never claimed any special Authority, where you should just bow to my decree.


And my arguments are sound. Which is WHY you lefties always drop the discussion about the topic, and start with personal attacks.


Because you are wrong, and you are too dishonest to admit it.

Your arguments are "sound"? That is humorous, and as a rule, I never reject an opportunity for a good laugh, and you seldom fall short of providing one.

In my life experience, genuine racists will flat out deny that racism actually exists, only to cry “REVERSE RACISM !” or "ANTI WHITE DISCRIMINATION!" in the next breath.

To people like you, who are believed to be racists, the real meaning of "reverse racism" or 'anti white discrimination" is having to live in a post 1965 world where you are expected to treat non white people fairly and equally.

To the point that it just feels uncomfortable to you.

Being called a RACIST in YOUR case, is not an insult, it's a DIAGNOSIS.

That's the way you are viewed by a number of people here, and no matter what level of objection that you express towards that perception, it is not likely to change,

Lastly, speaking for myself, I believe that you are more ignorant and misinformed than you are racist.

1. You open with claiming my arguments are unsound, but present no reason to support that claim.

2. Unless your claim is that racists deny being racist, was the "supporting argument".. Which is utterly stupid, because non racist would deny being racist too.

3. Your support for your calling me a racist is claiming that you know what we "really" mean when we complain about white discrimination. You offer no support of your mind reading ability, and that's all you have to support your vile insult of me.

4. YOu do use the Logical Fallacy of Argumentum ad populum, as a supporting argument So there is that. It's a stupid and invalid argument. Argumentum ad populum - Wikipedia


5. So, to conclude, you call me a vile name based on utterly stupid and invalid reasons. Thus, since you insult me, allow me to point out that you are a race baiting asshole. The difference between us, is that my insult of you, is true, while you are a liar.

Actually, YOU are a liar. "I" did not call you a vile name.

What I stated is that you are "perceived" as being a racist by some who post here.

And, I stated that I believe you to be more ignorant and misinformed than you are a racist.


There is nothing "vile" about those observations


You could save yourself from having so many meltdowns if you took time to read more thoroughly.

Furthermore, yes, I do not believe that your so called :arguments" are sound, because you are far too emotionally invested in defending your obtuse positions to total strangers.....to the point of typing the same thing over and over.

Although I am beginning to lose interest in being entertained by your shrill whining, I have noticed that you seldom back up what you post with any credible sources.

Since you factually prove very little regarding what you see as truth, why should anyone who responds to you just for a laugh waste their time doing so?

 

[MizMolly]

He should be in prison charged as an adult

Fk out my face.

Whites kill me with that fake sh*t. Why aren't you ever in the courtroom ? Actually people like you are in the courtroom. But you talk a good game. But when your in that courtroom out-back when you and other white supremacist are putting the heat on you. "I think we should let him he's a good kid" you bk down and go along with white supremacy.

Are you deliberately being an asshole? Unless it is self defense, i have no sympathy for people who kill. What is with the white supremacy accusions?

 

[IM2]

LOL!

While you LOL at your predicament ...

This is Part 5 of THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. You will find the first three parts of this in posts 1445, 1448, 1460,1477 and 1516

I left off with making the point that Liberty is a God given - unalienable Right. It is a foundational principle upon which America was built.

"Our Consolation must be this, my dear, that Cities may be rebuilt, and a People reduced to Poverty, may acquire fresh Property: But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty once lost is lost forever. When the People once surrender their share in the Legislature, and their Right of defending the Limitations upon the Government, and of resisting every Encroachment upon them, they can never regain it." (Excerpt from a letter written by John Adams to Abigail Adams 7 July 1775)

There is a misconception by both the right and the left. BOTH sides believe that Liberty is tied to citizenship. It isn't. Citizenship, like voting is a privilege. Neither are unalienable Rights. We may call them rights (sic), but they lack some important attributes that are unlike unalienable Rights. Some of what we call "rights" are actually privileges. Unlike unalienable Rights, a government "right" is given to you by a government, not a Creator. It is revocable and an unalienable Right isn't, and the majority can vote your government into oblivion. Unalienable Rights are NOT subject to a popularity vote.

In the THIRD part of this ongoing ran (see Post #1460) catsteve2012 wrote:

"We built America, not you. You exist here because we allow you too. and based on its history, we have the right to determine if YOU should be here or not"

Of course, since for the most part, EVERY tax paying American citizen who was born here and resides here, has a right to be here..."

Here, catsteve2012 makes an inaccurate (and racist) statement. We do not see blacks stepping up to the plate and offering the Israelites reparations for their hard work while held in slavery. And now, the blacks claim they "built" America. Well, they may have put in the labor, but, unfortunately, that is NOT the meaning of the word the way we use it. See my previous posts for more info.

Today, we find ourselves in very precarious predicament. The Preamble of the Constitution states, unequivocally, WHO that document pertains to along with the first Naturalization laws saying that in order to become a citizen, one had to be a white person of good character. That is all fact. Then history records that the Dred Scott decision confirming that inspired the Republicans to pass the 14th Amendment... which was done illegally:

The Fourteenth Amendment is Unconstitutional - Judge L.H. Perez

14th Amendment is actually ILLEGAL as it was never RATIFIED!

http://www.constitution.org/14ll/no14th.htm

Legality of the 14th Amendment (Congressional Record)

When you have judges, lawyers, historians, civil libertarians, news outlets, and constitutionalists calling the 14th Amendment into question, the matter deserves to be discussed.

IF the 14th Amendment was not legally ratified, then the black people who are claiming citizenship are no more "citizens" than migrant worker who slid under the wall from Mexico. Now, my personal position is that even IF whites ever addressed the legality of the 14th Amendment and over-turned it, there is STILL the issue of whether or not all men have unalienable Rights. Today, the Trumpeteers make this asinine argument that the 14th Amendment did not include children who were born here, but their parents had no papers.

I can promise you today that argument will fail in the Courts. It has nothing to do with what side of this argument you perceive me to be on, but based upon the FACTS as I know them. WHEN that crazy argument fails them, the Trumpeteers are left with two choices: challenging the legality of the 14th Amendment or an internal and civil war. The alternative is that the liberals and non-whites will vote the conservatives and whites into oblivion.

IM2, stay tuned. Things are just beginning to warm up.

No we are going to end this. THS s pure racism ad its time the moderators did something about it.

Yeah, if you're offended, the moderators may end this. You're a racist and you don't like the truth. I'm not calling you names; I'm not advocating for any course of action; not one thing you can say against me will be indicative of racism. You simply don't like the truth.

I guess you missed that part wherein I disagreed with the whites. But, the whole problem is, if YOU disagree with something, it must be racist and it's got to stop. Meanwhile you make the most ludicrous statements and fail to back them up. So, I'm going to continue to challenge your misconceptions with the truth AND point out to the whites how they are pigeonholing themselves so that we are required to agree with idiocy like yours in order be able to have any viewpoint on the subject.

This is Part 7 of THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. You will find the other parts of this in posts 1445, 1448, 1460 1477, 1488, and 1505.

Just as a review, IM2 is accusing me of being a racist. I told him of our history as a nation; how our forefathers saw themselves as building a New Jerusalem and so forth. Perhaps he'd like a few links:

Apocalypticism Explained | Apocalypse! FRONTLINE | PBS

America, Gathering Israel to Zion, and the Book of Mormon

PBS is hardly a "racist" site. While not a Mormon, they have a sentiment along those lines and I never saw them as being racist.

Is it racist to point out that the founders put it in our first Naturalization statute that only whites of good moral character could become citizens?

Politico will confirm what our first naturalization laws were:

U.S. enacts first immigration law, March 26, 1790

Is THAT racist? Is politico.com a racist site?

Is the observation that IM2, and those like him, want to censor anything they disagree with in order to discuss the subject a racist proposition?

I'm stating what I can prove through reliable sources. I'm not calling IM2 any names nor trying to denigrate him. He keeps saying he's kicking my ass, but he's running off to the moderators to keep me from posting facts from bona fide sources. For the most part I don't even bother telling you my personal view on racism - except as an issue of strategy... and then I was critical of the whites who concern themselves with Donald Trump and his entourage - of whom I think are headed for a certain legal defeat.

Just in case some people DO have the clout it takes to stifle an opinion, I will give you a piece of my opinion and hope that a couple of people will consider this:

IN MY OPINION, black people are more racist than whites. The biggest reason is, they pretend to be all upset over slavery. Honestly, slavery was quite tame compared to the treatment of soldiers captured by the Japanese during World War II. We've kissed, made up and now Japan, a self described racially pure nation, does business inside the United States and it's all good. Nobody has a problem with that kind of racism.

The reality is when slaves were brought to the United States, they were generally sold as families when possible because they were more productive that way. Many were taught to be craftsmen and were even paid for their services - AND they lived better than their white counterparts that were blue collar workers. My source for this is a book entitled Time on the Cross - the Economics of American Negro Slavery by Robert Fogel and Stanley Engerman

Time on the Cross - Wikipedia

The link is worth checking out and remember that Engle and Fogerman were two mainstream professors of economics..

I'm not sourcing them as a defense of slavery, but rather to give the balance of my own opinion context:

Blacks make much ado over racism and use slavery as their primary pretext as justification. Yet these are the people who, for the most part, prop up the Democrats. IM2 doesn't like the First Amendment and there goes your freedom of Speech, the Press, and Religion. Democrats hate, loathe, and despise the Second Amendment. On and on I could go, but at the end of the day, the majority of black people vote against Liberty. They have no use for it. Now they want control over the United States - for a number of reasons as previously discussed. White people have fought in the trenches and bled along with black people in establishing rights for them.

Still, they come to this board and say that no white has experienced racism. That is a lie and an insult. An insult to your enemy is of no great loss. Insulting the guy who had your back in a foxhole is not acceptable. And what drives black people to do and say what they are doing on this thread is racism... plain and simple. Whether you think I'm right or wrong, that is my opinion. I've fought to protect and defend that right.

No one white has experienced racism. I don't give a damn what you fought for. You are here trying to justify white supremacy. And all you have really done is show how policies were created that denied blacks from even the most basic right in this country, that is citizenship. And still now you want t deny us citizenship based upon a claim how this was a nation that was established to be for whites only. You are a racist.

I'm going to the moderators because blacks get warnings, posts deleted, banned from conversations and temporary vacations for far less than the racist shit you have been posting. So you can stop whining about the first amendment.

This is Part 8 of THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. You will find the other parts of this in posts 1445, 1448, 1460 1477, 1488, 1505 and 1516.

What I'm telling you are facts and do not necessarily reflect on my personal opinions. You don't give a damn what I say? Then tell us this: Why do you read and respond to what I've said?

How about these names? Andrew Goodman, Michael Schwerner, Viola Liuzzo?

I told you that America was founded by whites and showed you some of the laws (including our first Naturalization Act.) How, in your mind, does that justify white supremacy? Telling you the truth justifies white supremacy, how exactly?

The reality is, you came here trash talking me and when the facts didn't go your way, you go running off to the mods. And, no sir, anybody with an IQ their shoe size or larger can read my posts and see they are NOT about white supremacy.

America was built upon the premise that only whites could be citizens. You're a straight up LIAR to insinuate that I've told you what I would like to see for the future. But, when you make this idiotic claim that no white ever experienced racism when I can name scores that have been beaten and even killed defending you, to say you are dishonest and ungrateful are insults to those words. I'd bet dollars against doughnuts that you have junk in your house, at this very moment, that was made in Japan or China.

Their countries are predominantly all one people. Why did THEY have a right to create nations predicated upon one people and the U.S. did not? How did you come to single out the white race for the object of your hatred? Unlike places like China, Japan, North Korea and Zimbabwe, while the United States did not allow foreigners to become citizens, they did allow them to come here and take part in the free market system.

I've had no problem with black people - or anyone else coming here to take part in the free market system. I've voiced a lot of support for people to come here and take advantage of opportunities willingly offered only to be called "one of those open border nutjobs" by the white supremacists. How in the HELL do you justify accusing me of white supremacy???

Because you got banned, you find that justification for lobbying for censorship? You thought that what got done to you was wrong, so you want an unfair action to be taken against me? Ask the mods what I demand. If they ban you or give you any infraction for ANYTHING you say to me, I will fight for your Rights to the extent that my posts are not deleted. The only problem I have is when people initiate a board fight get to keep up the troll post that started a problem while my posts get deleted. IF that happens, I have a problem with everybody. The reality is, you called me out and and now we have a list of the rants I'm doing until I make all my points... and we're almost there.

In my view, you do not deserve to be a citizen of the United States. It has NOTHING to do with the hue of your skin. My objection to you is your attitude toward the First Amendment. Those who advocate treason have no place in this country.

You haven't the first clue of what I think about the first amendment.

America was built upon a racist premise. And no one white has experienced racism.

You mention Japan and China, but those nations did not establish themselves as only made for one race. Whites had white countries. All of Europe was white. So can the lies because you are not about the first amendment. You are for trying to force white supremacy into a conversation. You have called me a racist and have yet to produce any racist comment from me. So you are trying to shut down the first amendment rights, not vice versa. And you are getting reported because the moderators have done blacks, not just me, for less than what you have done, per their own rules..

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[MizMolly]

And the answer is:
Publicly speak out about how they feel without fear of reprisals.

African Americans can't be called racist more racist than whites because we don't have the ability to deny anyone.

But come back to me when black people begin lynching, raping, oppressing, exploiting, shooting, jailing, whipping, maiming, torturing, evangelizing, robbing, stereotyping, bullying, bombing, segregating, building highways and thruways to dislocate and dismantle businesses, communities and neighborhoods; creating sun-down towns, experimenting on, discriminating against, prohibiting, murdering, holding back and controlling in every imaginable way, hating white ppl en mass via de jure and de facto racism for hundreds of years, then and only then can calling black people racists make sense.

But let's look at this "We whites can't speak out about how they feel without fear of reprisals"

So what do you want to say ?

You want to shout from the roof tops that "You hate n.i.g.g.e.r.s" ? You have a system that tells us that everyday.

Next

So what do what do you want to say about black people that you can't without fear of reprisals ?

You want insult black people verbally face to face ?

Well there are gonna be reprisals and could end with you getting your ass kicked or even worse.

That you won’t be able to understand this simple point is nothing so much as your own sense of entitlement. Whites are not used to anyone telling them that they can’t do something and you take offense when your freedom to offend is constrained.

Plus how you or anyone could believe you can't critique black people when we live in a global culture where critique of black people is a daily, hourly, minute-by-minute pastime is beyond me.

You have Donald Trump in the big house and white people still complain ? A man who is gonna be the most pro-white president in a long time.

And you still complain ?

The fact is if you are a white person living in the most European nations or in the US you experience less censorship than any other demographic on this planet. You have easier access to more resources including paper, pens, computers and dictaphones. Not only do you have more ability to access the internet to publish online. You have n*ggermania, shitskin, chimpout and chimpmania websites where you can talk shit about black people all day.

White people also have the world's strongest publishing industry statistically supporting them more than any other group where you read books like the Bell Curve which tries to prove how stupid black people are.

Nobody is less prevented from writing whatever they want to than whites. White supremacist are allowed to run a muck on here, run a muck on twitter, run a muck on facebook, run a muck reddit, run a muck on 4chan.

So once again what do what do you want to say about black people that you can't without fear of reprisals ?

How many ordinary hard working whites have the ability to deny you anything? You resort to violence if confronted face to face with whites who call you names, yet you call names here on these boards. Many of the horrible things you listed above were not committed in your lifetime.

 

[IM2]

And the answer is:
Publicly speak out about how they feel without fear of reprisals.

African Americans can't be called racist more racist than whites because we don't have the ability to deny anyone.

But come back to me when black people begin lynching, raping, oppressing, exploiting, shooting, jailing, whipping, maiming, torturing, evangelizing, robbing, stereotyping, bullying, bombing, segregating, building highways and thruways to dislocate and dismantle businesses, communities and neighborhoods; creating sun-down towns, experimenting on, discriminating against, prohibiting, murdering, holding back and controlling in every imaginable way, hating white ppl en mass via de jure and de facto racism for hundreds of years, then and only then can calling black people racists make sense.

But let's look at this "We whites can't speak out about how they feel without fear of reprisals"

So what do you want to say ?

You want to shout from the roof tops that "You hate n.i.g.g.e.r.s" ? You have a system that tells us that everyday.

Next

So what do what do you want to say about black people that you can't without fear of reprisals ?

You want insult black people verbally face to face ?

Well there are gonna be reprisals and could end with you getting your ass kicked or even worse.

That you won’t be able to understand this simple point is nothing so much as your own sense of entitlement. Whites are not used to anyone telling them that they can’t do something and you take offense when your freedom to offend is constrained.

Plus how you or anyone could believe you can't critique black people when we live in a global culture where critique of black people is a daily, hourly, minute-by-minute pastime is beyond me.

You have Donald Trump in the big house and white people still complain ? A man who is gonna be the most pro-white president in a long time.

And you still complain ?

The fact is if you are a white person living in the most European nations or in the US you experience less censorship than any other demographic on this planet. You have easier access to more resources including paper, pens, computers and dictaphones. Not only do you have more ability to access the internet to publish online. You have n*ggermania, shitskin, chimpout and chimpmania websites where you can talk shit about black people all day.

White people also have the world's strongest publishing industry statistically supporting them more than any other group where you read books like the Bell Curve which tries to prove how stupid black people are.

Nobody is less prevented from writing whatever they want to than whites. White supremacist are allowed to run a muck on here, run a muck on twitter, run a muck on facebook, run a muck reddit, run a muck on 4chan.

So once again what do what do you want to say about black people that you can't without fear of reprisals ?

This is Part 9 of THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. You will find the other parts of this in posts 1445, 1448, 1460 1477, 1488,1505, 1516, and 1532. I'm just having to respond to a different poster.

1) In America, blacks have been found guilty of raping, oppressing, exploiting, shooting, jailing, whipping, maiming, torturing, evangelizing, robbing, stereotyping, bullying, and segregating - even when they get a free pass. To the rest of your complaints, I'd have to do a bit of research in order to respond

2) According to the Washington Times:

"Is Jamie Foxx a racist? The actor recently hosted “Saturday Night Live,” delivering a rant that was supposed to be funny. It wasn’t. In fact, had a white person delivered the same monologue but simply exchanged the word “white” for “black,” his career would be over. The hypocrisy and double standard are egregious. They must stop. Black bigotry should no longer be condoned, let alone celebrated."

KUHNER: Jamie Foxx and the rise of black bigotry

3) EVERYTHING that I've said on this board, I'm willing to say it to anyone's face. I once knew a guy that had a mouth like you. He had clout though. He was Martin Luther King, Jr.s right hand man. He had a tv show and I ended up debating him face to face. His name was Hosea Williams. When that discussion ended, the show was NOT renewed for another season... and everything I wanted to say at that time was said. I keep repeating this son. You can't call people out in open forum. If you want to make a challenge; do it in a PM

4) Personally, I don't have the capacity to hate anyone. God's law supersedes ALL the other laws. But, I have been admonished to "Debate thy cause with thy neighbour himself; and discover not a secret to another:" Proverbs 25 : 9

Black people make a lot of false statements, but they don't want us to remind them of how dishonest they are and how wrong they are. No black person ever lost their Hollywood gig nor their sports position for saying things against whites, but they have said things...

5) Donald Trump is not a friend to the white people. He has settled for National Socialist solutions; he has preached a doctrine of intolerance for undocumented foreigners while employing them; he supports an agenda that, over time, will be very costly to the whites in terms of their Liberty and Freedom; Trump has no regard for unalienable Rights.

IF you were wise, you would celebrate Trump. His actions have made the liberals more determined to win than under any president in history. Democrats will retake the Senate - maybe the House and Trump's policies are deliberately designed to fail. So YOU should be happy.

As a side note, I should not have to go off into the Twilight Zone among kooks just to tell you that black people can and are just as racist as whites... but moreso, because, as the Washington Times article implied, black people are NOT held accountable in the mainstream for their racist attitudes.

Blacks have not been as racist as whites. That's the problem with your opinion.