Are women's rights a distraction from "important" issues?

[LordBrownTrout]

Womens' "rights" are the rights to make our own decisions about our bodies and our health. Womens' "rights" are the rights to make as much money as men in the same postition. Womens' "rights" are the rights to be taken seriously when it comes to making policy decisions in this country. We are half of the population and over half of the voters. Men who want to treat us as if we're still "the little woman" in the kitchen are in for a rude awakening. Jobs, the economy, military defense, all these things affect our lives, too. As for Kasich's remark, once again, the onus is on the woman to be vigilant against the man who may be a predator. Why isn't the man taught from birth that women are not his to abuse as he likes? Why are we fair game? If you're around alcohol, out after dark,dressed a certain way, or with a man in general, you're "asking for it".

Nobody that I know says a women is asking for it. Youve been watching too much sports pop culture thug talk.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

what a sad place we are in. When the citizens are more worried over the killing of their offspring/human beings: over Jobs, the economy, a way to make a living. instead they want to make sure they have that way to kill off our Society. 58million potential American citizens have been sucked out of women bodies and flushed down a drain SO FAR and counting. but that isn't enough evidently
as if these progressive/democrats give a crap about you women AND the guilt you suffer afterwards.

That would have been 58 million more jobseekers, i.e. 58 million more people without jobs today.

Women should feel ZERO guilt over a 1st trimester abortion. The entity had no consciousness, no humanity. It lacked a brain developed enough to even be capable of thought, feeling, individuality.

It's people like YOU who try to create unnecessary feelings of guilt because you have certain beliefs about your god.

It wasn't an entity. It was a human life.

Human life but not a human being. A skin cell is human life. There should be no guilt about destroying either.

A first trimester looks like a little human towards the end, but inside there is no humanity. There is not a functional brain beyond involuntary functionality as all the pieces of the brain have not come together in the right place yet. There is no possibility of consciousness or thought, therefore it is not a human being, it is an entity that can be destroyed without guilt.

^ Expert on life without a brain

 

[Davros]

Womens' "rights" are the rights to make our own decisions about our bodies and our health. Womens' "rights" are the rights to make as much money as men in the same postition. Womens' "rights" are the rights to be taken seriously when it comes to making policy decisions in this country. We are half of the population and over half of the voters. Men who want to treat us as if we're still "the little woman" in the kitchen are in for a rude awakening. Jobs, the economy, military defense, all these things affect our lives, too. As for Kasich's remark, once again, the onus is on the woman to be vigilant against the man who may be a predator. Why isn't the man taught from birth that women are not his to abuse as he likes? Why are we fair game? If you're around alcohol, out after dark,dressed a certain way, or with a man in general, you're "asking for it".

Most men do not abuse women. A woman is wise to be aware that some men are evil and would gladly abuse them. To protect herself, she should avoid certain things such as college parties with lots of alcohol. Not because most boys there would harm her. Most would not. But a few of the young drunks there can almost be guaranteed to be looking to take advantage of a woman.

 

[Davros]

what a sad place we are in. When the citizens are more worried over the killing of their offspring/human beings: over Jobs, the economy, a way to make a living. instead they want to make sure they have that way to kill off our Society. 58million potential American citizens have been sucked out of women bodies and flushed down a drain SO FAR and counting. but that isn't enough evidently
as if these progressive/democrats give a crap about you women AND the guilt you suffer afterwards.

That would have been 58 million more jobseekers, i.e. 58 million more people without jobs today.

Women should feel ZERO guilt over a 1st trimester abortion. The entity had no consciousness, no humanity. It lacked a brain developed enough to even be capable of thought, feeling, individuality.

It's people like YOU who try to create unnecessary feelings of guilt because you have certain beliefs about your god.

It wasn't an entity. It was a human life.

Human life but not a human being. A skin cell is human life. There should be no guilt about destroying either.

A first trimester looks like a little human towards the end, but inside there is no humanity. There is not a functional brain beyond involuntary functionality as all the pieces of the brain have not come together in the right place yet. There is no possibility of consciousness or thought, therefore it is not a human being, it is an entity that can be destroyed without guilt.

^ Expert on life without a brain

You idiot! If I had no brain I would be incapable of stringing together words. The first trimester embryo is incapable of thought or consciousness.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

what a sad place we are in. When the citizens are more worried over the killing of their offspring/human beings: over Jobs, the economy, a way to make a living. instead they want to make sure they have that way to kill off our Society. 58million potential American citizens have been sucked out of women bodies and flushed down a drain SO FAR and counting. but that isn't enough evidently
as if these progressive/democrats give a crap about you women AND the guilt you suffer afterwards.

That would have been 58 million more jobseekers, i.e. 58 million more people without jobs today.

Women should feel ZERO guilt over a 1st trimester abortion. The entity had no consciousness, no humanity. It lacked a brain developed enough to even be capable of thought, feeling, individuality.

It's people like YOU who try to create unnecessary feelings of guilt because you have certain beliefs about your god.

It wasn't an entity. It was a human life.

Human life but not a human being. A skin cell is human life. There should be no guilt about destroying either.

A first trimester looks like a little human towards the end, but inside there is no humanity. There is not a functional brain beyond involuntary functionality as all the pieces of the brain have not come together in the right place yet. There is no possibility of consciousness or thought, therefore it is not a human being, it is an entity that can be destroyed without guilt.

Of course it's human life. The DNA has already been set on the x and y. That interaction between the sperm and egg locks in the specific instruction for human life. There is no denying this.

 

[Davros]

what a sad place we are in. When the citizens are more worried over the killing of their offspring/human beings: over Jobs, the economy, a way to make a living. instead they want to make sure they have that way to kill off our Society. 58million potential American citizens have been sucked out of women bodies and flushed down a drain SO FAR and counting. but that isn't enough evidently
as if these progressive/democrats give a crap about you women AND the guilt you suffer afterwards.

That would have been 58 million more jobseekers, i.e. 58 million more people without jobs today.

Women should feel ZERO guilt over a 1st trimester abortion. The entity had no consciousness, no humanity. It lacked a brain developed enough to even be capable of thought, feeling, individuality.

It's people like YOU who try to create unnecessary feelings of guilt because you have certain beliefs about your god.

It wasn't an entity. It was a human life.

Human life but not a human being. A skin cell is human life. There should be no guilt about destroying either.

A first trimester looks like a little human towards the end, but inside there is no humanity. There is not a functional brain beyond involuntary functionality as all the pieces of the brain have not come together in the right place yet. There is no possibility of consciousness or thought, therefore it is not a human being, it is an entity that can be destroyed without guilt.

Of course it's human life. The DNA has already been set on the x and y. That interaction between the sperm and egg locks in the specific instruction for human life. There is no denying this.

Where did I deny that? I deny that it is a human being during first trimester. My belief is it becomes a human being sometime in the 2nd trimester based on the brain developing the capability of thought and awareness.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

what a sad place we are in. When the citizens are more worried over the killing of their offspring/human beings: over Jobs, the economy, a way to make a living. instead they want to make sure they have that way to kill off our Society. 58million potential American citizens have been sucked out of women bodies and flushed down a drain SO FAR and counting. but that isn't enough evidently
as if these progressive/democrats give a crap about you women AND the guilt you suffer afterwards.

That would have been 58 million more jobseekers, i.e. 58 million more people without jobs today.

Women should feel ZERO guilt over a 1st trimester abortion. The entity had no consciousness, no humanity. It lacked a brain developed enough to even be capable of thought, feeling, individuality.

It's people like YOU who try to create unnecessary feelings of guilt because you have certain beliefs about your god.

It wasn't an entity. It was a human life.

Human life but not a human being. A skin cell is human life. There should be no guilt about destroying either.

A first trimester looks like a little human towards the end, but inside there is no humanity. There is not a functional brain beyond involuntary functionality as all the pieces of the brain have not come together in the right place yet. There is no possibility of consciousness or thought, therefore it is not a human being, it is an entity that can be destroyed without guilt.

Of course it's human life. The DNA has already been set on the x and y. That interaction between the sperm and egg locks in the specific instruction for human life. There is no denying this.

Where did I deny that? I deny that it is a human being during first trimester. My belief is it becomes a human being sometime in the 2nd trimester based on the brain developing the capability of thought and awareness.

Ok. Fair enough.

 

[Chuz Life]

what a sad place we are in. When the citizens are more worried over the killing of their offspring/human beings: over Jobs, the economy, a way to make a living. instead they want to make sure they have that way to kill off our Society. 58million potential American citizens have been sucked out of women bodies and flushed down a drain SO FAR and counting. but that isn't enough evidently
as if these progressive/democrats give a crap about you women AND the guilt you suffer afterwards.

That would have been 58 million more jobseekers, i.e. 58 million more people without jobs today.

Women should feel ZERO guilt over a 1st trimester abortion. The entity had no consciousness, no humanity. It lacked a brain developed enough to even be capable of thought, feeling, individuality.

It's people like YOU who try to create unnecessary feelings of guilt because you have certain beliefs about your god.

It wasn't an entity. It was a human life.

Human life but not a human being. A skin cell is human life. There should be no guilt about destroying either.

A first trimester looks like a little human towards the end, but inside there is no humanity. There is not a functional brain beyond involuntary functionality as all the pieces of the brain have not come together in the right place yet. There is no possibility of consciousness or thought, therefore it is not a human being, it is an entity that can be destroyed without guilt.

Of course it's human life. The DNA has already been set on the x and y. That interaction between the sperm and egg locks in the specific instruction for human life. There is no denying this.

Where did I deny that? I deny that it is a human being during first trimester. My belief is it becomes a human being sometime in the 2nd trimester based on the brain developing the capability of thought and awareness.

Biology FAIL!

HUMAN Beings do not have sex to create living SUB human creatures that only later become HUMAN BEINGS (after they somehow surpass your arbitrarily drawn standards.)

A child in the womb is a HUMAN being from the moment of conception.

They are defined by the attributes they HAVE and not by those traits that they only temporarily lack.

It is insane to hold the view that a child is not a child until it lives too long and looks too much like a child to be denied any longer.

 

[OldLady]

Womens' "rights" are the rights to make our own decisions about our bodies and our health. Womens' "rights" are the rights to make as much money as men in the same postition. Womens' "rights" are the rights to be taken seriously when it comes to making policy decisions in this country. We are half of the population and over half of the voters. Men who want to treat us as if we're still "the little woman" in the kitchen are in for a rude awakening. Jobs, the economy, military defense, all these things affect our lives, too. As for Kasich's remark, once again, the onus is on the woman to be vigilant against the man who may be a predator. Why isn't the man taught from birth that women are not his to abuse as he likes? Why are we fair game? If you're around alcohol, out after dark,dressed a certain way, or with a man in general, you're "asking for it".

What world do you live in?

Apparently in a land long ago and far away.

 

[DGS49]

"Womens' "rights" are the rights to make our own decisions about our bodies and our health."

What an asinine bit of lies and obfuscation.

NO ONE is preventing women from making rational decisions about their own health. NO ONE is keeping women from doctors' offices, clinics, labs, rehab facilities, or anything else. Just because some people object to having their pockets picked to pay for a woman's "FREE" healthcare or to pay for BC pills that could be had at WalMart pharmacy for $8/month, or to pay for an elective abortion that the taxpayers find morally repugnant.

Bat-shit crazy, left-wing women are neurotically fixated on maintaining the ABILITY of women to get abortions on demand. WHY CAN'T YOU JUST SAY THAT?????

Never entering into the decision is a woman's CHOICE to refrain from reproductive behavior with any MAN who is so degenerate that he will plant the seed and then utterly refuse to take responsibility for it. Never entering into the conversation is a woman's CHOICE, when engaging in such activity, to take one of the many cheap and available means of preventing pregnancy.

Women constantly talk about other theoretical women who might have been impregnated by a rapist, while this remains an infinitesimal percentage of the total elective abortions.

Liar, cheats, moral degenerates, and thieves.

Just my opinion.

 

[Davros]

That would have been 58 million more jobseekers, i.e. 58 million more people without jobs today.

Women should feel ZERO guilt over a 1st trimester abortion. The entity had no consciousness, no humanity. It lacked a brain developed enough to even be capable of thought, feeling, individuality.

It's people like YOU who try to create unnecessary feelings of guilt because you have certain beliefs about your god.

It wasn't an entity. It was a human life.

Human life but not a human being. A skin cell is human life. There should be no guilt about destroying either.

A first trimester looks like a little human towards the end, but inside there is no humanity. There is not a functional brain beyond involuntary functionality as all the pieces of the brain have not come together in the right place yet. There is no possibility of consciousness or thought, therefore it is not a human being, it is an entity that can be destroyed without guilt.

Of course it's human life. The DNA has already been set on the x and y. That interaction between the sperm and egg locks in the specific instruction for human life. There is no denying this.

Where did I deny that? I deny that it is a human being during first trimester. My belief is it becomes a human being sometime in the 2nd trimester based on the brain developing the capability of thought and awareness.

Biology FAIL!

HUMAN Beings do not have sex to create living SUB human creatures that only later become HUMAN BEINGS (after they somehow surpass your arbitrarily drawn standards.)

A child in the womb is a HUMAN being from the moment of conception.

They are defined by the attributes they HAVE and not by those traits that they only temporarily lack.

It is insane to hold the view that a child is not a child until it lives too long and looks too much like a child to be denied any longer.

None of that is science. It is your emotional reaction based on your religious beliefs. What is INSANE is your view that a fertilized zygote, a single cell, is a human being worthy of legal protection.

 

[kaz]

On Wednesday, Trump said during a forum on MSNBC that women who undergo abortions, if there were a ban on the procedure, should be punished. He later walked back his comment in a statement, but the remark drew backlash from leaders in both parties.

He (Bernie Sanders) then referred to it as “another stupid remark” by Trump that, Sanders suggested, is a distraction from “serious issues facing America.”

Clinton Knocks Sanders Over Response to Trump’s Abortion Comments

John Kasich prompts firestorm after telling female student not to 'go to parties where there's a lot of alcohol'

A first-year student at St. Lawrence University in Canton, New York, asked the Ohio governor during a Watertown, New York, town-hall event how he'd help her "feel safer and more secure regarding sexual violence, harassment, and rape" should he be elected president.

Kasich responded with what he called a "bit of advice."

"Don't go to parties where there's a lot of alcohol. OK? Don't do that," he said, as some in the audience applauded.

---------------------------------------

You would expect Republicans to ignore minority issues because they are 90% white. It was only a year ago that USMB Republicans were saying there was no more discrimination in their party. Now they go to kill the gays rallies and call Mexicans Rapists. So clearly, they are not "over it".

But even Bernie Sanders sees women's issues as "distracting". Do women feel their issues are just a distraction?

The abortion fight isn't over, so we have to keep it in our sights, but overall women's issues in this country aren't a primary concern. I saw the entirety of Kasich's response to the college student asking how to stay safe on campus. He was on point, and that last bit of fatherly advice is being unfairly twisted to seem unfair to women, imo.

Clearly he was blaming women for being attacked.

So when you go to Harlem, you carry your wallet in plain view. If you don't do that and you get robbed, it was your fault

 

[Chuz Life]

It wasn't an entity. It was a human life.

Human life but not a human being. A skin cell is human life. There should be no guilt about destroying either.

A first trimester looks like a little human towards the end, but inside there is no humanity. There is not a functional brain beyond involuntary functionality as all the pieces of the brain have not come together in the right place yet. There is no possibility of consciousness or thought, therefore it is not a human being, it is an entity that can be destroyed without guilt.

Of course it's human life. The DNA has already been set on the x and y. That interaction between the sperm and egg locks in the specific instruction for human life. There is no denying this.

Where did I deny that? I deny that it is a human being during first trimester. My belief is it becomes a human being sometime in the 2nd trimester based on the brain developing the capability of thought and awareness.

Biology FAIL!

HUMAN Beings do not have sex to create living SUB human creatures that only later become HUMAN BEINGS (after they somehow surpass your arbitrarily drawn standards.)

A child in the womb is a HUMAN being from the moment of conception.

They are defined by the attributes they HAVE and not by those traits that they only temporarily lack.

It is insane to hold the view that a child is not a child until it lives too long and looks too much like a child to be denied any longer.

None of that is science. It is your emotional reaction based on your religious beliefs. What is INSANE is your view that a fertilized zygote, a single cell, is a human being worthy of legal protection.

Our existing laws against Fetal Homicide are all I need as proof that you are wrong about that.

For one, I am NOT religious. I don't need (nor use) religion or God to know what the legal, biological and Constitutional arguments are against abortion.

Our Fetal Homicide Laws already define children in the womb as Human Beings - in ANY stage of their life and development.

Your denials and mischaractizations are not going to change that fact.

 

[kaz]

Human life but not a human being. A skin cell is human life. There should be no guilt about destroying either.

A first trimester looks like a little human towards the end, but inside there is no humanity. There is not a functional brain beyond involuntary functionality as all the pieces of the brain have not come together in the right place yet. There is no possibility of consciousness or thought, therefore it is not a human being, it is an entity that can be destroyed without guilt.

Of course it's human life. The DNA has already been set on the x and y. That interaction between the sperm and egg locks in the specific instruction for human life. There is no denying this.

Where did I deny that? I deny that it is a human being during first trimester. My belief is it becomes a human being sometime in the 2nd trimester based on the brain developing the capability of thought and awareness.

Biology FAIL!

HUMAN Beings do not have sex to create living SUB human creatures that only later become HUMAN BEINGS (after they somehow surpass your arbitrarily drawn standards.)

A child in the womb is a HUMAN being from the moment of conception.

They are defined by the attributes they HAVE and not by those traits that they only temporarily lack.

It is insane to hold the view that a child is not a child until it lives too long and looks too much like a child to be denied any longer.

None of that is science. It is your emotional reaction based on your religious beliefs. What is INSANE is your view that a fertilized zygote, a single cell, is a human being worthy of legal protection.

Our existing laws against Fetal Homicide are all I need as proof that you are wrong about that.

For one, I am NOT religious. I don't need (nor use) religion or God to know what the legal, biological and Constitutional arguments are against abortion.

Our Fetal Homicide Laws already define children in the womb as Human Beings - in ANY stage of their life and development.

Your denials and mischaractizations are not going to change that fact.

No one has a right to someone else's body [/discussion]

 

[Chuz Life]

Of course it's human life. The DNA has already been set on the x and y. That interaction between the sperm and egg locks in the specific instruction for human life. There is no denying this.

Where did I deny that? I deny that it is a human being during first trimester. My belief is it becomes a human being sometime in the 2nd trimester based on the brain developing the capability of thought and awareness.

Biology FAIL!

HUMAN Beings do not have sex to create living SUB human creatures that only later become HUMAN BEINGS (after they somehow surpass your arbitrarily drawn standards.)

A child in the womb is a HUMAN being from the moment of conception.

They are defined by the attributes they HAVE and not by those traits that they only temporarily lack.

It is insane to hold the view that a child is not a child until it lives too long and looks too much like a child to be denied any longer.

None of that is science. It is your emotional reaction based on your religious beliefs. What is INSANE is your view that a fertilized zygote, a single cell, is a human being worthy of legal protection.

Our existing laws against Fetal Homicide are all I need as proof that you are wrong about that.

For one, I am NOT religious. I don't need (nor use) religion or God to know what the legal, biological and Constitutional arguments are against abortion.

Our Fetal Homicide Laws already define children in the womb as Human Beings - in ANY stage of their life and development.

Your denials and mischaractizations are not going to change that fact.

No one has a right to someone else's body [/discussion]

Really?

So, If someone found a way to connect your body to theirs in such a way that you will DIE if the connection is broken before the period of nine months. . . and they did this against your will or while you were completely unaware of what they were doing. . .

Would you NOT have a right to maintain that connection?

 

[Davros]

Human life but not a human being. A skin cell is human life. There should be no guilt about destroying either.

A first trimester looks like a little human towards the end, but inside there is no humanity. There is not a functional brain beyond involuntary functionality as all the pieces of the brain have not come together in the right place yet. There is no possibility of consciousness or thought, therefore it is not a human being, it is an entity that can be destroyed without guilt.

Of course it's human life. The DNA has already been set on the x and y. That interaction between the sperm and egg locks in the specific instruction for human life. There is no denying this.

Where did I deny that? I deny that it is a human being during first trimester. My belief is it becomes a human being sometime in the 2nd trimester based on the brain developing the capability of thought and awareness.

Biology FAIL!

HUMAN Beings do not have sex to create living SUB human creatures that only later become HUMAN BEINGS (after they somehow surpass your arbitrarily drawn standards.)

A child in the womb is a HUMAN being from the moment of conception.

They are defined by the attributes they HAVE and not by those traits that they only temporarily lack.

It is insane to hold the view that a child is not a child until it lives too long and looks too much like a child to be denied any longer.

None of that is science. It is your emotional reaction based on your religious beliefs. What is INSANE is your view that a fertilized zygote, a single cell, is a human being worthy of legal protection.

Our existing laws against Fetal Homicide are all I need as proof that you are wrong about that.

For one, I am NOT religious. I don't need (nor use) religion or God to know what the legal, biological and Constitutional arguments are against abortion.

Our Fetal Homicide Laws already define children in the womb as Human Beings - in ANY stage of their life and development.

Your denials and mischaractizations are not going to change that fact.

Like hell you aren't religious.

Fetal homicide laws that protect a fetus at any stage of development are misguided and have nothing to do with science.

Science states that the brain of a 1st trimester fetus is undeveloped, and it is capable of thought and awareness. Thought and awareness of being are necessary components of humanity. A corpse cannot be murdered despite the fact that it still looks like a human being.

 

[kaz]

Where did I deny that? I deny that it is a human being during first trimester. My belief is it becomes a human being sometime in the 2nd trimester based on the brain developing the capability of thought and awareness.

Biology FAIL!

HUMAN Beings do not have sex to create living SUB human creatures that only later become HUMAN BEINGS (after they somehow surpass your arbitrarily drawn standards.)

A child in the womb is a HUMAN being from the moment of conception.

They are defined by the attributes they HAVE and not by those traits that they only temporarily lack.

It is insane to hold the view that a child is not a child until it lives too long and looks too much like a child to be denied any longer.

None of that is science. It is your emotional reaction based on your religious beliefs. What is INSANE is your view that a fertilized zygote, a single cell, is a human being worthy of legal protection.

Our existing laws against Fetal Homicide are all I need as proof that you are wrong about that.

For one, I am NOT religious. I don't need (nor use) religion or God to know what the legal, biological and Constitutional arguments are against abortion.

Our Fetal Homicide Laws already define children in the womb as Human Beings - in ANY stage of their life and development.

Your denials and mischaractizations are not going to change that fact.

No one has a right to someone else's body [/discussion]

Really?

So, If someone found a way to connect your body to theirs in such a way that you will DIE if the connection is broken before the period of nine months. . . and they did this against your will or while you were completely unaware of what they were doing. . .

Would you NOT have a right to maintain that connection?

A right for government to force the person to do that? No, I wouldn't

 

[Davros]

Where did I deny that? I deny that it is a human being during first trimester. My belief is it becomes a human being sometime in the 2nd trimester based on the brain developing the capability of thought and awareness.

Biology FAIL!

HUMAN Beings do not have sex to create living SUB human creatures that only later become HUMAN BEINGS (after they somehow surpass your arbitrarily drawn standards.)

A child in the womb is a HUMAN being from the moment of conception.

They are defined by the attributes they HAVE and not by those traits that they only temporarily lack.

It is insane to hold the view that a child is not a child until it lives too long and looks too much like a child to be denied any longer.

None of that is science. It is your emotional reaction based on your religious beliefs. What is INSANE is your view that a fertilized zygote, a single cell, is a human being worthy of legal protection.

Our existing laws against Fetal Homicide are all I need as proof that you are wrong about that.

For one, I am NOT religious. I don't need (nor use) religion or God to know what the legal, biological and Constitutional arguments are against abortion.

Our Fetal Homicide Laws already define children in the womb as Human Beings - in ANY stage of their life and development.

Your denials and mischaractizations are not going to change that fact.

No one has a right to someone else's body [/discussion]

Really?

So, If someone found a way to connect your body to theirs in such a way that you will DIE if the connection is broken before the period of nine months. . . and they did this against your will or while you were completely unaware of what they were doing. . .

Would you NOT have a right to maintain that connection?

A first trimester fetus has no capability of "will". Your argument requires the entity to have thought and awarenrss, which a first trimester fetus is simply not capable of.

 

[Chuz Life]

Of course it's human life. The DNA has already been set on the x and y. That interaction between the sperm and egg locks in the specific instruction for human life. There is no denying this.

Where did I deny that? I deny that it is a human being during first trimester. My belief is it becomes a human being sometime in the 2nd trimester based on the brain developing the capability of thought and awareness.

Biology FAIL!

HUMAN Beings do not have sex to create living SUB human creatures that only later become HUMAN BEINGS (after they somehow surpass your arbitrarily drawn standards.)

A child in the womb is a HUMAN being from the moment of conception.

They are defined by the attributes they HAVE and not by those traits that they only temporarily lack.

It is insane to hold the view that a child is not a child until it lives too long and looks too much like a child to be denied any longer.

None of that is science. It is your emotional reaction based on your religious beliefs. What is INSANE is your view that a fertilized zygote, a single cell, is a human being worthy of legal protection.

Our existing laws against Fetal Homicide are all I need as proof that you are wrong about that.

For one, I am NOT religious. I don't need (nor use) religion or God to know what the legal, biological and Constitutional arguments are against abortion.

Our Fetal Homicide Laws already define children in the womb as Human Beings - in ANY stage of their life and development.

Your denials and mischaractizations are not going to change that fact.

Like hell you aren't religious.

Fetal homicide laws that protect a fetus at any stage of development are misguided and have nothing to do with science.

Science states that the brain of a 1st trimester fetus is undeveloped, and it is capable of thought and awareness. Thought and awareness of being are necessary components of humanity. A corpse cannot be murdered despite the fact that it still looks like a human being.

If I have to see you in hell to prove to you that I am not religious.. . LOL!

So be it.

That's how NON-Religious I am.

You have completely dodged the biological fact that Human Beings do not reproduce via metamorphosis. We do not have sex and use our haploid gametes cells to create NON human organisms that only later become something that YOU can no longer deny as a human being.

Biological parenthood begins at conception. That';s the moment your biological father and mother became your biological parents and it is the moment that you (as a human biological organism) began to age.

Those and other biological facts are the reason that the opponents to our fetal homicide laws were not able to block the laws or to have them overturned.

 

[Chuz Life]

Biology FAIL!

HUMAN Beings do not have sex to create living SUB human creatures that only later become HUMAN BEINGS (after they somehow surpass your arbitrarily drawn standards.)

A child in the womb is a HUMAN being from the moment of conception.

They are defined by the attributes they HAVE and not by those traits that they only temporarily lack.

It is insane to hold the view that a child is not a child until it lives too long and looks too much like a child to be denied any longer.

None of that is science. It is your emotional reaction based on your religious beliefs. What is INSANE is your view that a fertilized zygote, a single cell, is a human being worthy of legal protection.

Our existing laws against Fetal Homicide are all I need as proof that you are wrong about that.

For one, I am NOT religious. I don't need (nor use) religion or God to know what the legal, biological and Constitutional arguments are against abortion.

Our Fetal Homicide Laws already define children in the womb as Human Beings - in ANY stage of their life and development.

Your denials and mischaractizations are not going to change that fact.

No one has a right to someone else's body [/discussion]

Really?

So, If someone found a way to connect your body to theirs in such a way that you will DIE if the connection is broken before the period of nine months. . . and they did this against your will or while you were completely unaware of what they were doing. . .

Would you NOT have a right to maintain that connection?

A right for government to force the person to do that? No, I wouldn't

So, if they did connect your body in that way and they then changed their mind, cut the connection and you died. . .

Should they be charged with anything?