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Are you going to refuse any increase in any tax refund you get or are you going to be a hypocrite?

I will back up my mouth by refusing any increased refund in my taxes.

  • I'm a liberal with integrity and I will send it back so my actions match my rhetoric.

  • I'm a liberal....so umm..... SHOW ME DA MONEY!


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I will be paying more.

You gonna put your money where your mouth is LITERALLY?
Or are you going to be a two faced tard and keep the money?

Hi Grampa Murked U
What about Constitutionalists who believe all taxation should be
voluntary and respect the consent of the governed workers being taxed?

What if I contest the change that puts limits on deducting
mortgage related taxes or deducting state taxes.

isn't it a conservative value to entrust states to manage their
own programs and NOT rely on paying federal govt to do that?

Should we be REWARDING citizens and states for investing
MORE of their taxes into state run programs managed democratically
rather than paying and relying more and more on federal govt to run things?

Isn't that backwards and hypocritical
to demand states rights and localized health care
but then take away tax deductions from states
and force more people to pay that to federal govt instead???

Blue states like California, New York, New Jersey, et. al., are taxing and spending themselves into oblivion. Residents of those states will now have to pay the price for the decisions of their respective nanny states, or they can move to fiscally responsible states. This levels the playing field for every state to compete for residents.

I live in California and I will be paying more. Significantly more- at least 5 figures more! I'll have to see how much I am paying for the privilege of living in great weather and decide if it is worth it......

Dear Zander
Wouldn't it be more fair to give MORE time for people
to move, to change their financial structures,
or for states to change their taxing structures and programs
BEFORE punishing taxpayers for living in such states?

What if someone doesn't APPROVE of their state policies?
But can't get enough support to correct problems with state budgets?
Are you going to punish people because of the states they live in?
Blue states are fighting back Many good ideas
 
I will be paying more.

You gonna put your money where your mouth is LITERALLY?
Or are you going to be a two faced tard and keep the money?

Hi Grampa Murked U
What about Constitutionalists who believe all taxation should be
voluntary and respect the consent of the governed workers being taxed?

What if I contest the change that puts limits on deducting
mortgage related taxes or deducting state taxes.

isn't it a conservative value to entrust states to manage their
own programs and NOT rely on paying federal govt to do that?

Should we be REWARDING citizens and states for investing
MORE of their taxes into state run programs managed democratically
rather than paying and relying more and more on federal govt to run things?

Isn't that backwards and hypocritical
to demand states rights and localized health care
but then take away tax deductions from states
and force more people to pay that to federal govt instead???

Blue states like California, New York, New Jersey, et. al., are taxing and spending themselves into oblivion. Residents of those states will now have to pay the price for the decisions of their respective nanny states, or they can move to fiscally responsible states. This levels the playing field for every state to compete for residents.

I live in California and I will be paying more. Significantly more- at least 5 figures more! I'll have to see how much I am paying for the privilege of living in great weather and decide if it is worth it......

Dear Zander
Wouldn't it be more fair to give MORE time for people
to move, to change their financial structures,
or for states to change their taxing structures and programs
BEFORE punishing taxpayers for living in such states?

What if someone doesn't APPROVE of their state policies?
But can't get enough support to correct problems with state budgets?
Are you going to punish people because of the states they live in?
More Fair or not, our government doesn’t work that way.
 
I will be paying more.

You gonna put your money where your mouth is LITERALLY?
Or are you going to be a two faced tard and keep the money?

Hi Grampa Murked U
What about Constitutionalists who believe all taxation should be
voluntary and respect the consent of the governed workers being taxed?

What if I contest the change that puts limits on deducting
mortgage related taxes or deducting state taxes.

isn't it a conservative value to entrust states to manage their
own programs and NOT rely on paying federal govt to do that?

Should we be REWARDING citizens and states for investing
MORE of their taxes into state run programs managed democratically
rather than paying and relying more and more on federal govt to run things?

Isn't that backwards and hypocritical
to demand states rights and localized health care
but then take away tax deductions from states
and force more people to pay that to federal govt instead???

Blue states like California, New York, New Jersey, et. al., are taxing and spending themselves into oblivion. Residents of those states will now have to pay the price for the decisions of their respective nanny states, or they can move to fiscally responsible states. This levels the playing field for every state to compete for residents.

I live in California and I will be paying more. Significantly more- at least 5 figures more! I'll have to see how much I am paying for the privilege of living in great weather and decide if it is worth it......

Dear Zander
Wouldn't it be more fair to give MORE time for people
to move, to change their financial structures,
or for states to change their taxing structures and programs
BEFORE punishing taxpayers for living in such states?

What if someone doesn't APPROVE of their state policies?
But can't get enough support to correct problems with state budgets?
Are you going to punish people because of the states they live in?
Blue states are fighting back Many good ideas


By lowering their local and state taxes .. getting rid of 150 grand a year dog catchers..


Good idea!!!!
 
You can't even get a liberal to chip in on the dinner tip let alone give up their Trump tax cut.
 
Please stop being ignorant and an ass....

NO DEMOCRAT is against the tax cuts for the individuals in the working class....

NO ONE is against that Gramps

What they are against is how little of the $1.5 trillion dollar tax cut goes to the working class

vs the corporations and those that are the 1% wealthiest already.....who are receiving 83% of that $1.5 trillion tax cut....

The American worker in tax cuts is getting 17% of it....

What WE, THE LIBERALS ARE SAYING.

is that the American worker is NOT getting enough of that $1.5 trillion.

And that is not an unreasonable stance....

not that there is anything any of us can do at this point....
 
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Being that I got all I need I can be fairly liberal. Money will go towards liberal leaning churches and charitable organizations. Surely it won't be like the woman who put her last 2 coins in the contribution box.
 
You gonna put your money where your mouth is LITERALLY?
Or are you going to be a two faced tard and keep the money?

Personally I'm gonna be a "two face tard" and keep the money.... on second thought; I'll be a "three face tard", keep the money and see if there's any way to game the new system to keep even more.
 
Please stop being ignorant and an ass....

NO DEMOCRAT is against the tax cuts for the individuals in the working class....

NO ONE is against that Gramps

What they are against is how little of the $1.5 trillion dollar tax cut goes to the working class

vs the corporations and those that are the 1% wealthiest already.....who are receiving 83% of that $1.5 trillion tax cut....

The American worker in tax cuts is getting 17% of it....

What WE, THE LIBERALS ARE SAYING.

is the American worker is NOT getting enough of that $1.5 trillion.

And that is not an unreasonable stance....

not that there is anything any of us can do at this point....


Once again how can they?

Please explain.

And how much did Americans get with Obama's almost 1 trillion stimulus..a lousy one time payment of $400?


And no shovel ready jobs?


We get a pay raise every year now for the next 10 year's
 
Yea let's compare Obama's almost 1 trillion stimulus to Trump's 1.5 trillion tax cuts shall we?
 
Being that I got all I need I can be fairly liberal. Money will go towards liberal leaning churches and charitable organizations. Surely it won't be like the woman who put her last 2 coins in the contribution box.


So you going to give it to the Scientology cult it figures
 
I will be paying more.

You gonna put your money where your mouth is LITERALLY?
Or are you going to be a two faced tard and keep the money?

Hi Grampa Murked U
What about Constitutionalists who believe all taxation should be
voluntary and respect the consent of the governed workers being taxed?

What if I contest the change that puts limits on deducting
mortgage related taxes or deducting state taxes.

isn't it a conservative value to entrust states to manage their
own programs and NOT rely on paying federal govt to do that?

Should we be REWARDING citizens and states for investing
MORE of their taxes into state run programs managed democratically
rather than paying and relying more and more on federal govt to run things?

Isn't that backwards and hypocritical
to demand states rights and localized health care
but then take away tax deductions from states
and force more people to pay that to federal govt instead???

Blue states like California, New York, New Jersey, et. al., are taxing and spending themselves into oblivion. Residents of those states will now have to pay the price for the decisions of their respective nanny states, or they can move to fiscally responsible states. This levels the playing field for every state to compete for residents.

I live in California and I will be paying more. Significantly more- at least 5 figures more! I'll have to see how much I am paying for the privilege of living in great weather and decide if it is worth it......

Dear Zander
Wouldn't it be more fair to give MORE time for people
to move, to change their financial structures,
or for states to change their taxing structures and programs
BEFORE punishing taxpayers for living in such states?

What if someone doesn't APPROVE of their state policies?
But can't get enough support to correct problems with state budgets?
Are you going to punish people because of the states they live in?
Blue states are fighting back Many good ideas


By lowering their local and state taxes .. getting rid of 150 grand a year dog catchers..


Good idea!!!!
Bear.... the average dog catcher makes between $24k to $36k a year!

:p
 
I will be paying more.

Hi Grampa Murked U
What about Constitutionalists who believe all taxation should be
voluntary and respect the consent of the governed workers being taxed?

What if I contest the change that puts limits on deducting
mortgage related taxes or deducting state taxes.

isn't it a conservative value to entrust states to manage their
own programs and NOT rely on paying federal govt to do that?

Should we be REWARDING citizens and states for investing
MORE of their taxes into state run programs managed democratically
rather than paying and relying more and more on federal govt to run things?

Isn't that backwards and hypocritical
to demand states rights and localized health care
but then take away tax deductions from states
and force more people to pay that to federal govt instead???

Blue states like California, New York, New Jersey, et. al., are taxing and spending themselves into oblivion. Residents of those states will now have to pay the price for the decisions of their respective nanny states, or they can move to fiscally responsible states. This levels the playing field for every state to compete for residents.

I live in California and I will be paying more. Significantly more- at least 5 figures more! I'll have to see how much I am paying for the privilege of living in great weather and decide if it is worth it......

Dear Zander
Wouldn't it be more fair to give MORE time for people
to move, to change their financial structures,
or for states to change their taxing structures and programs
BEFORE punishing taxpayers for living in such states?

What if someone doesn't APPROVE of their state policies?
But can't get enough support to correct problems with state budgets?
Are you going to punish people because of the states they live in?
Blue states are fighting back Many good ideas


By lowering their local and state taxes .. getting rid of 150 grand a year dog catchers..


Good idea!!!!
Bear.... the average dog catcher makes between $24k to $36k a year!

:p
You know what bears do in the woods?
 
What about Constitutionalists who believe all taxation should be
voluntary and respect the consent of the governed workers being taxed?

What if I contest the change that puts limits on deducting
mortgage related taxes or deducting state taxes.

isn't it a conservative value to entrust states to manage their
own programs and NOT rely on paying federal govt to do that?

Should we be REWARDING citizens and states for investing
MORE of their taxes into state run programs managed democratically
rather than paying and relying more and more on federal govt to run things?

Isn't that backwards and hypocritical
to demand states rights and localized health care
but then take away tax deductions from states
and force more people to pay that to federal govt instead???

That darned pesky Constitution.

It's amazing how quickly our conservative friends forget about that darned thing. I guess. Nothing is really surprising anymore. Statists gonna state.
 
Yea let's compare Obama's almost 1 trillion stimulus to Trump's 1.5 trillion tax cuts shall we?

ok lets -

1. This tax-cut is is 700 billion more than the cost of ACA (870B) over 10 years, and then it grows from there.

2. Stimulus passed in MIDDLE OF GREAT RECESSION. This giveaway to the rich with a side of crumbs to the middle class is in the middle of economic growth.
 
I will be paying more.

Hi Grampa Murked U
What about Constitutionalists who believe all taxation should be
voluntary and respect the consent of the governed workers being taxed?

What if I contest the change that puts limits on deducting
mortgage related taxes or deducting state taxes.

isn't it a conservative value to entrust states to manage their
own programs and NOT rely on paying federal govt to do that?

Should we be REWARDING citizens and states for investing
MORE of their taxes into state run programs managed democratically
rather than paying and relying more and more on federal govt to run things?

Isn't that backwards and hypocritical
to demand states rights and localized health care
but then take away tax deductions from states
and force more people to pay that to federal govt instead???

Blue states like California, New York, New Jersey, et. al., are taxing and spending themselves into oblivion. Residents of those states will now have to pay the price for the decisions of their respective nanny states, or they can move to fiscally responsible states. This levels the playing field for every state to compete for residents.

I live in California and I will be paying more. Significantly more- at least 5 figures more! I'll have to see how much I am paying for the privilege of living in great weather and decide if it is worth it......

Dear Zander
Wouldn't it be more fair to give MORE time for people
to move, to change their financial structures,
or for states to change their taxing structures and programs
BEFORE punishing taxpayers for living in such states?

What if someone doesn't APPROVE of their state policies?
But can't get enough support to correct problems with state budgets?
Are you going to punish people because of the states they live in?
Blue states are fighting back Many good ideas


By lowering their local and state taxes .. getting rid of 150 grand a year dog catchers..


Good idea!!!!
Bear.... the average dog catcher makes between $24k to $36k a year!

:p



Once again


2 Investigators: Highest Paid Illinois School Supt. Gets $400K To Oversee 1,200 students

2 Investigators: Highest Paid Illinois School Supt. Gets $400K To Oversee 1,200 students
 
I will be paying more.

Blue states like California, New York, New Jersey, et. al., are taxing and spending themselves into oblivion. Residents of those states will now have to pay the price for the decisions of their respective nanny states, or they can move to fiscally responsible states. This levels the playing field for every state to compete for residents.

I live in California and I will be paying more. Significantly more- at least 5 figures more! I'll have to see how much I am paying for the privilege of living in great weather and decide if it is worth it......

Dear Zander
Wouldn't it be more fair to give MORE time for people
to move, to change their financial structures,
or for states to change their taxing structures and programs
BEFORE punishing taxpayers for living in such states?

What if someone doesn't APPROVE of their state policies?
But can't get enough support to correct problems with state budgets?
Are you going to punish people because of the states they live in?
Blue states are fighting back Many good ideas


By lowering their local and state taxes .. getting rid of 150 grand a year dog catchers..


Good idea!!!!
Bear.... the average dog catcher makes between $24k to $36k a year!

:p
You know what bears do in the woods?
think its pensions killing NY crazy numbers
 

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