Are you going to refuse any increase in any tax refund you get or are you going to be a hypocrite?

[Care4all]

Conservatives love the elite establishment globalist congress critters now....who would have thunk it?

 

[eddiew37]

What about Constitutionalists who believe all taxation should be
voluntary and respect the consent of the governed workers being taxed?

What if I contest the change that puts limits on deducting
mortgage related taxes or deducting state taxes.

isn't it a conservative value to entrust states to manage their
own programs and NOT rely on paying federal govt to do that?

Should we be REWARDING citizens and states for investing
MORE of their taxes into state run programs managed democratically
rather than paying and relying more and more on federal govt to run things?

Isn't that backwards and hypocritical
to demand states rights and localized health care
but then take away tax deductions from states
and force more people to pay that to federal govt instead???

That darned pesky Constitution.

It's amazing how quickly our conservative friends forget about that darned thing. I guess.

Law suits have been mentioned

 

[regent]

Only commies and fascists will refuse the tax cuts for the rich.

 

[Care4all]

I will be paying more.

Blue states like California, New York, New Jersey, et. al., are taxing and spending themselves into oblivion. Residents of those states will now have to pay the price for the decisions of their respective nanny states, or they can move to fiscally responsible states. This levels the playing field for every state to compete for residents.

I live in California and I will be paying more. Significantly more- at least 5 figures more! I'll have to see how much I am paying for the privilege of living in great weather and decide if it is worth it......

Dear Zander
Wouldn't it be more fair to give MORE time for people
to move, to change their financial structures,
or for states to change their taxing structures and programs
BEFORE punishing taxpayers for living in such states?

What if someone doesn't APPROVE of their state policies?
But can't get enough support to correct problems with state budgets?
Are you going to punish people because of the states they live in?

Blue states are fighting back Many good ideas

By lowering their local and state taxes .. getting rid of 150 grand a year dog catchers..


Good idea!!!!

Bear.... the average dog catcher makes between $24k to $36k a year!

Once again


2 Investigators: Highest Paid Illinois School Supt. Gets $400K To Oversee 1,200 students

2 Investigators: Highest Paid Illinois School Supt. Gets $400K To Oversee 1,200 students

Obviously, that is absolutely insane to get that kind of pay and outrageous!!!!

but leave the dog catcher alone, he only makes on average, between $24-$36k

 

[Wyatt earp]

Yea let's compare Obama's almost 1 trillion stimulus to Trump's 1.5 trillion tax cuts shall we?

ok lets -

1. This tax-cut is is 700 billion more than the cost of ACA (870B) over 10 years, and then it grows from there.

2. Stimulus passed in MIDDLE OF GREAT RECESSION. This giveaway to the rich with a side of crumbs to the middle class is in the middle of economic growth.

Gibberish

Obama stimulus almost 1 trillion = $400 dollar one time payment and no shovel ready jobs



Trump's tax cuts = $1000 dollars every year for the next 10 year's


Do the math which helped more?

 

[Care4all]

Do you all think the disparity gap in wealth between the richest and the rest of us, will get smaller with this tax cut, or will it give even more wealth to the richest?

 

[Natural Citizen]

Law suits have been mentioned

The founders would have slit throats.

 

[eddiew37]

Yea let's compare Obama's almost 1 trillion stimulus to Trump's 1.5 trillion tax cuts shall we?

ok lets -

1. This tax-cut is is 700 billion more than the cost of ACA (870B) over 10 years, and then it grows from there.

2. Stimulus passed in MIDDLE OF GREAT RECESSION. This giveaway to the rich with a side of crumbs to the middle class is in the middle of economic growth.

Gibberish

Obama stimulus almost 1 trillion = $400 dollar one time payment and no shovel ready jobs



Trump's tax cuts = $1000 dollars every year for the next 10 year's


Do the math which helped more?

20 bucks a week rocks your boat?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Dear Zander
Wouldn't it be more fair to give MORE time for people
to move, to change their financial structures,
or for states to change their taxing structures and programs
BEFORE punishing taxpayers for living in such states?

What if someone doesn't APPROVE of their state policies?
But can't get enough support to correct problems with state budgets?
Are you going to punish people because of the states they live in?

Blue states are fighting back Many good ideas

By lowering their local and state taxes .. getting rid of 150 grand a year dog catchers..


Good idea!!!!

Bear.... the average dog catcher makes between $24k to $36k a year!

Once again


2 Investigators: Highest Paid Illinois School Supt. Gets $400K To Oversee 1,200 students

2 Investigators: Highest Paid Illinois School Supt. Gets $400K To Oversee 1,200 students

Obviously, that is absolutely insane to get that kind of pay and outrageous!!!!

but leave the dog catcher alone, he only makes on average, between $24-$36k

Care4all don't try a guy that has the brains to look it up ..


Indeed

Animal Control Officer Salaries in Los Angeles, CA
38 salaries reported
Updated on 10/18/17
$58,555 / year
▲28% Above national average

 

[eddiew37]

Do you all think the disparity gap in wealth between the richest and the rest of us, will get smaller with this tax cut, or will it give even more wealth to the richest?

They know the answer and will if answering ,make their excuses

 

[Care4all]

Yea let's compare Obama's almost 1 trillion stimulus to Trump's 1.5 trillion tax cuts shall we?

ok lets -

1. This tax-cut is is 700 billion more than the cost of ACA (870B) over 10 years, and then it grows from there.

2. Stimulus passed in MIDDLE OF GREAT RECESSION. This giveaway to the rich with a side of crumbs to the middle class is in the middle of economic growth.

Gibberish

Obama stimulus almost 1 trillion = $400 dollar one time payment and no shovel ready jobs



Trump's tax cuts = $1000 dollars every year for the next 10 year's


Do the math which helped more?

the 401k tax cut, where the gvt matches what you put in to your 401k up to what you may owe in taxes went on forever....hopefully that tax cut has not been taken away with this new tax cut, it helped the middle class and poorer folks save for their own retirements and encouraged those making less to contribute in to their own retirements....

the stimulus was not just a one shot deal.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Yea let's compare Obama's almost 1 trillion stimulus to Trump's 1.5 trillion tax cuts shall we?

ok lets -

1. This tax-cut is is 700 billion more than the cost of ACA (870B) over 10 years, and then it grows from there.

2. Stimulus passed in MIDDLE OF GREAT RECESSION. This giveaway to the rich with a side of crumbs to the middle class is in the middle of economic growth.

Gibberish

Obama stimulus almost 1 trillion = $400 dollar one time payment and no shovel ready jobs



Trump's tax cuts = $1000 dollars every year for the next 10 year's


Do the math which helped more?

20 bucks a week rocks your boat?

A one time payment of $400 bucks rocks your boat?

All Obama's stimulus did was for political pay back..

This tax cuts help every company to grow and invest ..

It brings back the trillions of dollars overseas

 

[Natural Citizen]

Do you all think the disparity gap in wealth between the richest and the rest of us, will get smaller with this tax cut...

No. The working class just received a tax hike of 128 billion in the next ten years and 500 billion in the decade therefter. And they'll move to a higer tax bracket as a consequence. And all the while that happens, that 4 cent dollar worth of current purchasing power will dimish further, thus reducing their spending power more than it is already is. Additionally, because of the 1.5 trillion, the 21 trillion dollars of current debt will turn into 32 trillion dollars in debt ten years from now.

And, as we see, the people will love them for it.

How does one propose a tax cut that is unpopular?

 

[skye]

the commiecrats are upset ....

 

[eddiew37]

Yea let's compare Obama's almost 1 trillion stimulus to Trump's 1.5 trillion tax cuts shall we?

ok lets -

1. This tax-cut is is 700 billion more than the cost of ACA (870B) over 10 years, and then it grows from there.

2. Stimulus passed in MIDDLE OF GREAT RECESSION. This giveaway to the rich with a side of crumbs to the middle class is in the middle of economic growth.

Gibberish

Obama stimulus almost 1 trillion = $400 dollar one time payment and no shovel ready jobs



Trump's tax cuts = $1000 dollars every year for the next 10 year's


Do the math which helped more?

20 bucks a week rocks your boat?

A one time payment of $400 bucks rocks your boat?

All Obama's stimulus did was for political pay back..

This tax cuts help every company to grow and invest ..

It brings back the trillions of dollars overseas

What did GWB's tax cut do for you ? Rich got richer and you got dinner?? And now we have no need to talk about a great man like Obama What about the 20 a week I mentioned?? Corker trump and 14 repub senators made a bigly score

 

[Meathead]

companies will then be able to grant lesser initial salaries and lesser raises to workers. But hey... who needs things like 'history" and facts, when we have whatever urges and passing thoughts fizzle into our colons, right?

"Lesser"? But hey... who needs literacy?

 

[eddiew37]

companies will then be able to grant lesser initial salaries and lesser raises to workers. But hey... who needs things like 'history" and facts, when we have whatever urges and passing thoughts fizzle into our colons, right?

"Lesser"? But hey... who needs literacy?

meat,,,,you've become the spelling mod About time you got a real job

 

[Wyatt earp]

Yea let's compare Obama's almost 1 trillion stimulus to Trump's 1.5 trillion tax cuts shall we?

ok lets -

1. This tax-cut is is 700 billion more than the cost of ACA (870B) over 10 years, and then it grows from there.

2. Stimulus passed in MIDDLE OF GREAT RECESSION. This giveaway to the rich with a side of crumbs to the middle class is in the middle of economic growth.

Gibberish

Obama stimulus almost 1 trillion = $400 dollar one time payment and no shovel ready jobs



Trump's tax cuts = $1000 dollars every year for the next 10 year's


Do the math which helped more?

the 401k tax cut, where the gvt matches what you put in to your 401k up to what you may owe in taxes went on forever....hopefully that tax cut has not been taken away with this new tax cut, it helped the middle class and poorer folks save for their own retirements and encouraged those making less to contribute in to their own retirements....

the stimulus was not just a one shot deal.

Yes it was..

• 
  How the $800B stimulus failed
  By Post Staff Report
  
  January 29, 2012 | 5:00am
  
  
  
  
  Vice President Joe Biden was eager to get moving. In office for only a month, the Obama administration had already passed a monumental economic stimulus plan to address the biggest downturn since the Great Depression.
  
  Now, at the first implementation meeting in 2009, Biden — with a smudged Ash Wednesday cross still on his forehead — declared that the stimulus would “literally drop kick us out of the recession.”
  
  Officially called the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, the $800 billion stimulus was the largest economic recovery program in history. Adjusted for inflation, it was nearly five times more expensive than the Works Progress Administration. It was bigger than the Louisiana Purchase, the Manhattan Project, the moon race and the Marshall Plan.
  
  Economists and nonpartisan forecasting firms estimate that the stimulus created and saved more than 2 million jobs. It generated an unprecedented buzz around clean energy. A relatively small pot of education grants goaded 32 states to enact major reforms, such as tying teacher pay to student performance or lifting caps on charter schools. When the last dime is spent, more than 41,000 miles of roads will be paved, widened and improved; 600,000 low-income homes weatherized; and more than 3,000 rural schools connected to high-speed Internet.
  
  But despite these achievements, the stimulus ultimately failed to do what America expected it to do — bring about a strong, sustainable recovery. The drop kick was shanked.
  
  The stimulus was supposed to work like this: First, a flood of money in tax cuts, food stamps and unemployment checks would get consumers spending. A deluge of education and health-care money would stanch the bleeding in state budgets.
  
  Then, a wave of “shovel-ready” infrastructure projects would kick in, creating new jobs repaving roads and making homes more energy efficient. As the economy got churning again, new investments in wind farms, solar panel factories, electric cars, broadband and high-speed rail would lead America out of the recession and into a 21st century economy competitive with the rest of the world.
  
  But it didn’t happen like that. The White House’s economists, like nearly every forecaster, misread the recession. The state assistance wasn’t enough to plug the budget holes and, in many cases, the school aid merely delayed rather than prevented teacher layoffs. Infrastructure projects took months longer to break ground than the public had been led to believe.
  
  In reporting on the stimulus over three years, I traveled to 15 states, interviewed hundreds of people and read through tens of thousands of government documents and project reports.
  
  What I found is that the stimulus failed to live up to its promise not because it was too small (as those on the left argue) or because Keynesian economics is obsolete (as those on the right argue), but because it was poorly designed. Even advocates for a bigger stimulus need to acknowledge that their argument is really one about design and presentation.
  
  The swing votes in Congress wouldn’t stomach a stimulus over a trillion dollars. So the questions are: Could the administration have sold the stimulus differently or could Congress have designed a more effective stimulus, leaving room for a second, longer-term recovery bill?
  
  INVISIBLE HELPING HAND
  
  One of the biggest problems was that so much of the stimulus was invisible. More than half of the package was in tax cuts and safety net programs.
  
  The largest single item was a $116 billion tax credit for the middle class. Yet rather than handing out checks, as other presidents had done, Obama dribbled it out in paychecks at about $10 a week. The economic team believed that people were more likely to spend it if it felt like an increase in income rather than a bonus.
  
  Perhaps that would have worked if the tax cut had been substantial. But spread out in tiny increments, it did little to overcome the prevailing fear of losing a job, a home and years of retirement savings. Not only did Obama lose the political credit but also the consumer excitement that a large check would have provided.
  
  It was also difficult to imagine the world that might have been if there had been no stimulus. If a teacher was in the classroom, no one gave the administration any credit. Money for Medicaid, unemployment checks and food stamps meant that somewhere down the line, a nurse and a grocery clerk kept their jobs. But it was hard to see the connection.
  
  The administration did little to help, instead showing off infrastructure projects that hadn’t started yet and creating the wrong impression that the stimulus was largely a public-works package.
  
  Even as the stimulus was pumping hundreds of billions of dollars into the economy in its first year, it appeared as if nothing was happening. The jobless rate skyrocketed, easily exceeding the poorly conceived chart Obama’s economic advisers had put together, showing that unemployment would never
  

 

[AntonToo]

Yea let's compare Obama's almost 1 trillion stimulus to Trump's 1.5 trillion tax cuts shall we?

ok lets -

1. This tax-cut is is 700 billion more than the cost of ACA (870B) over 10 years, and then it grows from there.

2. Stimulus passed in MIDDLE OF GREAT RECESSION. This giveaway to the rich with a side of crumbs to the middle class is in the middle of economic growth.

Gibberish

Obama stimulus almost 1 trillion = $400 dollar one time payment and no shovel ready jobs

Trump's tax cuts = $1000 dollars every year for the next 10 year's

Do the math which helped more?

What. The. Fuck. Is. Wrong. With. You?

What ass do you pull 1 Trillion from? It is by least generous account 870 billion total including later add-ons.

What the fuck is "$1000 dollar every year for 10 years"? What the fuck are you talking about?

Geeeezus, get your head checked.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Do you all think the disparity gap in wealth between the richest and the rest of us, will get smaller with this tax cut, or will it give even more wealth to the richest?

They know the answer and will if answering ,make their excuses

How do you know, this tax cut doesn't come during a recession, but when unemployment is at 4.8%


This is a different one