Are you going to refuse any increase in any tax refund you get or are you going to be a hypocrite?

[LoneLaugher]

I will be paying more.

You gonna put your money where your mouth is LITERALLY?
Or are you going to be a two faced tard and keep the money?

Hi Grampa Murked U
What about Constitutionalists who believe all taxation should be
voluntary and respect the consent of the governed workers being taxed?

What if I contest the change that puts limits on deducting
mortgage related taxes or deducting state taxes.

isn't it a conservative value to entrust states to manage their
own programs and NOT rely on paying federal govt to do that?

Should we be REWARDING citizens and states for investing
MORE of their taxes into state run programs managed democratically
rather than paying and relying more and more on federal govt to run things?

Isn't that backwards and hypocritical
to demand states rights and localized health care
but then take away tax deductions from states
and force more people to pay that to federal govt instead???

Blue states like California, New York, New Jersey, et. al., are taxing and spending themselves into oblivion. Residents of those states will now have to pay the price for the decisions of their respective nanny states, or they can move to fiscally responsible states. This levels the playing field for every state to compete for residents.

I live in California and I will be paying more. Significantly more- at least 5 figures more! I'll have to see how much I am paying for the privilege of living in great weather and decide if it is worth it......

Sure you will.

 

[eddiew37]

Obviously, that is absolutely insane to get that kind of pay and outrageous!!!!

but leave the dog catcher alone, he only makes on average, between $24-$36k

Care4all don't try a guy that has the brains to look it up ..


Indeed

Animal Control Officer Salaries in Los Angeles, CA
38 salaries reported
Updated on 10/18/17
$58,555 / year
▲28% Above national average

I'm sorry, I was using Nevada's figures by mistake,

and you are using los angelos CALIFORNIA....wasn't it you who posted a thread a while ago on how the cost of living in certain states are so much higher than key southern states in America? the cost of living in California is probably the highest in the nation, and of course they would be on the highest end of salaries....

here is the figure for the average dog catcher/animal control worker in the USA

Average and Median Salaries. The BLS reports that the median salary of an animal control officer was $32,460 per year as of May 2011, and that the middle-earning half of all workers in the field brought home between $25,000 and $42,000 per year

Leave those dog catchers alone....

Why are you protecting over priced dog catchers?


Even though they do an ok job how come cat catchers don't make the same money?

Because you know why , they suck at it ..

Average and Median Salaries. The BLS reports that the median salary of an animal control officer was $32,460 per year as of May 2011, and that the middle-earning half of all workers in the field brought home between $25,000 and $42,000 per year.
How Much Do Animal Control Officers Get Paid? | Chron.com
work.chron.com/much-animal-control-officers-paid-3142.html

You do know what median means..


We are talking about over paid civil servants in the blue cities

Unions raped us and I'm a dem

 

[Wyatt earp]

Bear.... the average dog catcher makes between $24k to $36k a year!

Once again


2 Investigators: Highest Paid Illinois School Supt. Gets $400K To Oversee 1,200 students

2 Investigators: Highest Paid Illinois School Supt. Gets $400K To Oversee 1,200 students

Obviously, that is absolutely insane to get that kind of pay and outrageous!!!!

but leave the dog catcher alone, he only makes on average, between $24-$36k

Care4all don't try a guy that has the brains to look it up ..


Indeed

Animal Control Officer Salaries in Los Angeles, CA
38 salaries reported
Updated on 10/18/17
$58,555 / year
▲28% Above national average

I'm sorry, I was using Nevada's figures by mistake,

and you are using los angelos CALIFORNIA....wasn't it you who posted a thread a while ago on how the cost of living in certain states are so much higher than key southern states in America? the cost of living in California is probably the highest in the nation, and of course they would be on the highest end of salaries....

here is the figure for the average dog catcher/animal control worker in the USA

Average and Median Salaries. The BLS reports that the median salary of an animal control officer was $32,460 per year as of May 2011, and that the middle-earning half of all workers in the field brought home between $25,000 and $42,000 per year

Leave those dog catchers alone....

In my area the so called dog catchers/animal control workers are important....they remove bears and coyotes and wolves from your neighborhood and place them somewhere else in the Maine Woods! They will even remove skunk colonies and put them in other places away from your home!!! Or maybe they kill the skunks, I don't know, I didn't ask on them.... but the nuisance bears and other wild nuisances, they will catch and move them! so they really are not primarily, dog catchers here.... animal control also makes certain no one is poaching in off season and stuff like that....

It was just an example...and yes they do a great job...

 

[imawhosure]

You gonna put your money where your mouth is LITERALLY?
Or are you going to be a two faced tard and keep the money?

You're about the 50th RWnut to try this stupid argument.

Oh no there "head with antlers on it with nothing between them!" It is an excellent question!

Your side claims it is of great economic benefit to pay HIGHER taxes-) Therefore, for your own economic benefit, you should pay EXTRA; just to help yourself of course. Let us RWingnuts go broke by paying lower taxes. We don't want to force you into poverty, so I think a great rate for you guys to pay voluntarily is around 75%.............unless of course you want to greedy and try and scarf up ALL the economic benefits of higher taxes, then you evil leftists will probably pay 95%, and keep all the benefits from higher taxes to yourselves-)-)-)

 

[Care4all]

the republican elite congress critters SAID, that you all would not care that they gave 80% of the tax cut to the corporations and very wealthiest, as long as you all got some crumbs....

and boy oh boy, were they right....they have you down pat....

 

[Wyatt earp]

Care4all don't try a guy that has the brains to look it up ..


Indeed

Animal Control Officer Salaries in Los Angeles, CA
38 salaries reported
Updated on 10/18/17
$58,555 / year
▲28% Above national average

I'm sorry, I was using Nevada's figures by mistake,

and you are using los angelos CALIFORNIA....wasn't it you who posted a thread a while ago on how the cost of living in certain states are so much higher than key southern states in America? the cost of living in California is probably the highest in the nation, and of course they would be on the highest end of salaries....

here is the figure for the average dog catcher/animal control worker in the USA

Average and Median Salaries. The BLS reports that the median salary of an animal control officer was $32,460 per year as of May 2011, and that the middle-earning half of all workers in the field brought home between $25,000 and $42,000 per year

Leave those dog catchers alone....

Why are you protecting over priced dog catchers?


Even though they do an ok job how come cat catchers don't make the same money?

Because you know why , they suck at it ..

Average and Median Salaries. The BLS reports that the median salary of an animal control officer was $32,460 per year as of May 2011, and that the middle-earning half of all workers in the field brought home between $25,000 and $42,000 per year.
How Much Do Animal Control Officers Get Paid? | Chron.com
work.chron.com/much-animal-control-officers-paid-3142.html

You do know what median means..


We are talking about over paid civil servants in the blue cities

Unions raped us and I'm a dem

I don't mind Union's except they got to lazy and to greedy in the private sector in the 1970s ~late 1980s

And now with these damn public servant Union's ...

 

[AntonToo]

the 401k tax cut, where the gvt matches what you put in to your 401k up to what you may owe in taxes went on forever....hopefully that tax cut has not been taken away with this new tax cut, it helped the middle class and poorer folks save for their own retirements and encouraged those making less to contribute in to their own retirements....

the stimulus was not just a one shot deal.

Yes it was..

• 
  How the $800B stimulus failed
  By Post Staff Report
  
  January 29, 2012 | 5:00am
  
  
  
  
  Vice President Joe Biden was eager to get moving. In office for only a month, the Obama administration had already passed a monumental economic stimulus plan to address the biggest downturn since the Great Depression.
  
  Now, at the first implementation meeting in 2009, Biden — with a smudged Ash Wednesday cross still on his forehead — declared that the stimulus would “literally drop kick us out of the recession.”
  
  Officially called the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, the $800 billion stimulus was the largest economic recovery program in history. Adjusted for inflation, it was nearly five times more expensive than the Works Progress Administration. It was bigger than the Louisiana Purchase, the Manhattan Project, the moon race and the Marshall Plan.
  
  Economists and nonpartisan forecasting firms estimate that the stimulus created and saved more than 2 million jobs. It generated an unprecedented buzz around clean energy. A relatively small pot of education grants goaded 32 states to enact major reforms, such as tying teacher pay to student performance or lifting caps on charter schools. When the last dime is spent, more than 41,000 miles of roads will be paved, widened and improved; 600,000 low-income homes weatherized; and more than 3,000 rural schools connected to high-speed Internet.
  
  But despite these achievements, the stimulus ultimately failed to do what America expected it to do — bring about a strong, sustainable recovery. The drop kick was shanked.
  
  The stimulus was supposed to work like this: First, a flood of money in tax cuts, food stamps and unemployment checks would get consumers spending. A deluge of education and health-care money would stanch the bleeding in state budgets.
  
  Then, a wave of “shovel-ready” infrastructure projects would kick in, creating new jobs repaving roads and making homes more energy efficient. As the economy got churning again, new investments in wind farms, solar panel factories, electric cars, broadband and high-speed rail would lead America out of the recession and into a 21st century economy competitive with the rest of the world.
  
  But it didn’t happen like that. The White House’s economists, like nearly every forecaster, misread the recession. The state assistance wasn’t enough to plug the budget holes and, in many cases, the school aid merely delayed rather than prevented teacher layoffs. Infrastructure projects took months longer to break ground than the public had been led to believe.
  
  In reporting on the stimulus over three years, I traveled to 15 states, interviewed hundreds of people and read through tens of thousands of government documents and project reports.
  
  What I found is that the stimulus failed to live up to its promise not because it was too small (as those on the left argue) or because Keynesian economics is obsolete (as those on the right argue), but because it was poorly designed. Even advocates for a bigger stimulus need to acknowledge that their argument is really one about design and presentation.
  
  The swing votes in Congress wouldn’t stomach a stimulus over a trillion dollars. So the questions are: Could the administration have sold the stimulus differently or could Congress have designed a more effective stimulus, leaving room for a second, longer-term recovery bill?
  
  INVISIBLE HELPING HAND
  
  One of the biggest problems was that so much of the stimulus was invisible. More than half of the package was in tax cuts and safety net programs.
  
  The largest single item was a $116 billion tax credit for the middle class. Yet rather than handing out checks, as other presidents had done, Obama dribbled it out in paychecks at about $10 a week. The economic team believed that people were more likely to spend it if it felt like an increase in income rather than a bonus.
  
  Perhaps that would have worked if the tax cut had been substantial. But spread out in tiny increments, it did little to overcome the prevailing fear of losing a job, a home and years of retirement savings. Not only did Obama lose the political credit but also the consumer excitement that a large check would have provided.
  
  It was also difficult to imagine the world that might have been if there had been no stimulus. If a teacher was in the classroom, no one gave the administration any credit. Money for Medicaid, unemployment checks and food stamps meant that somewhere down the line, a nurse and a grocery clerk kept their jobs. But it was hard to see the connection.
  
  The administration did little to help, instead showing off infrastructure projects that hadn’t started yet and creating the wrong impression that the stimulus was largely a public-works package.
  
  Even as the stimulus was pumping hundreds of billions of dollars into the economy in its first year, it appeared as if nothing was happening. The jobless rate skyrocketed, easily exceeding the poorly conceived chart Obama’s economic advisers had put together, showing that unemployment would never

Any questions?

Yea read a fucking US history book an educate yourself why....

Here is what is in history books:

Stimulus helped grow economy by 1-3% annually and create 2-3 million jobs coming out of the deepest recession in modern history. It's implementation was followed by 8 years of steady growth.

Lie .it was fracking and Republican govenors.. like Nikki Halley

Link to that amazing alt-fact history book.

 

[BluesLegend]

You can't even get a liberal to chip in on the dinner tip let alone give up their Trump tax cut.

You've been hanging out with the wrong libs I always pick up the check Not that I'm looking to have dinner with you lol

You can't afford dinner with me, there's a cover charge for the privilege.

LOL blues your politics suck but you have a world class sense of humor I could even have a drink with you despite your politics

You are okay Eddie, lets invite Franco that would be hilarious not many appreciate his humor but I do.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You gonna put your money where your mouth is LITERALLY?
Or are you going to be a two faced tard and keep the money?

You're about the 50th RWnut to try this stupid argument.

Answer the question.

The answer is no, coconuts are not migratory.

 

[Meathead]

companies will then be able to grant lesser initial salaries and lesser raises to workers. But hey... who needs things like 'history" and facts, when we have whatever urges and passing thoughts fizzle into our colons, right?

"Lesser"? But hey... who needs literacy?

meat,,,,you've become the spelling mod About time you got a real job

It's not spelling idiot. You cannot misspell a word that does not exist. Would the superlative then be the "lessest", or perhaps the "leastest"?

It is illiteracy, or inner-city public schooling if you prefer.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I will be paying more.

Blue states like California, New York, New Jersey, et. al., are taxing and spending themselves into oblivion. Residents of those states will now have to pay the price for the decisions of their respective nanny states, or they can move to fiscally responsible states. This levels the playing field for every state to compete for residents.

I live in California and I will be paying more. Significantly more- at least 5 figures more! I'll have to see how much I am paying for the privilege of living in great weather and decide if it is worth it......

Dear Zander
Wouldn't it be more fair to give MORE time for people
to move, to change their financial structures,
or for states to change their taxing structures and programs
BEFORE punishing taxpayers for living in such states?

What if someone doesn't APPROVE of their state policies?
But can't get enough support to correct problems with state budgets?
Are you going to punish people because of the states they live in?

Blue states are fighting back Many good ideas

By lowering their local and state taxes .. getting rid of 150 grand a year dog catchers..


Good idea!!!!

Bear.... the average dog catcher makes between $24k to $36k a year!

Once again


2 Investigators: Highest Paid Illinois School Supt. Gets $400K To Oversee 1,200 students

2 Investigators: Highest Paid Illinois School Supt. Gets $400K To Oversee 1,200 students

Trump gets millions a year to oversee his navel.

 

[Care4all]

Once again


2 Investigators: Highest Paid Illinois School Supt. Gets $400K To Oversee 1,200 students

2 Investigators: Highest Paid Illinois School Supt. Gets $400K To Oversee 1,200 students

Obviously, that is absolutely insane to get that kind of pay and outrageous!!!!

but leave the dog catcher alone, he only makes on average, between $24-$36k

Care4all don't try a guy that has the brains to look it up ..


Indeed

Animal Control Officer Salaries in Los Angeles, CA
38 salaries reported
Updated on 10/18/17
$58,555 / year
▲28% Above national average

I'm sorry, I was using Nevada's figures by mistake,

and you are using los angelos CALIFORNIA....wasn't it you who posted a thread a while ago on how the cost of living in certain states are so much higher than key southern states in America? the cost of living in California is probably the highest in the nation, and of course they would be on the highest end of salaries....

here is the figure for the average dog catcher/animal control worker in the USA

Average and Median Salaries. The BLS reports that the median salary of an animal control officer was $32,460 per year as of May 2011, and that the middle-earning half of all workers in the field brought home between $25,000 and $42,000 per year

Leave those dog catchers alone....

In my area the so called dog catchers/animal control workers are important....they remove bears and coyotes and wolves from your neighborhood and place them somewhere else in the Maine Woods! They will even remove skunk colonies and put them in other places away from your home!!! Or maybe they kill the skunks, I don't know, I didn't ask on them.... but the nuisance bears and other wild nuisances, they will catch and move them! so they really are not primarily, dog catchers here.... animal control also makes certain no one is poaching in off season and stuff like that....

It was just an example...and yes they do a great job...

Up here they do....that's all I am saying...

 

[NYcarbineer]

You gonna put your money where your mouth is LITERALLY?
Or are you going to be a two faced tard and keep the money?

You're about the 50th RWnut to try this stupid argument.

What are you going to do with yours?

I'm going to buy you a pacifier in the shape of Trump's penis.

 

[Wyatt earp]

the republican elite congress critters SAID, that you all would not care that they gave 80% of the tax cut to the corporations and very wealthiest, as long as you all got some crumbs....

and boy oh boy, were they right....they have you down pat....

I keep asking the same questions so what's your answer ?

Just give every American $20,000 bucks ? If that would work how come obama didn't do it with his stimulus?

 

[eddiew37]

companies will then be able to grant lesser initial salaries and lesser raises to workers. But hey... who needs things like 'history" and facts, when we have whatever urges and passing thoughts fizzle into our colons, right?

"Lesser"? But hey... who needs literacy?

meat,,,,you've become the spelling mod About time you got a real job

It's not spelling idiot. You cannot misspell a word that does not exist. Would the superlative then be the "lessest", or perhaps the "leastest"?

It is illiteracy, or inner-city public schooling if you prefer.

Dictionary

a/the lesser evil (or the lesser of two evils)
phrase of lesser

1. 1.
   the less harmful or unpleasant of two bad choices or possibilities.
   "authoritarianism may seem a lesser evil than abject poverty"

 

[NYcarbineer]

Keep in mind these RWnuts are the same ones who threw daily tantrums over their belief that Obama added 10 trillion to the national debt.

 

[TNHarley]

You gonna put your money where your mouth is LITERALLY?
Or are you going to be a two faced tard and keep the money?

You're about the 50th RWnut to try this stupid argument.

What are you going to do with yours?

I'm going to buy you a pacifier in the shape of Trump's penis.

Why wont you just answer?

 

[Wyatt earp]

You gonna put your money where your mouth is LITERALLY?
Or are you going to be a two faced tard and keep the money?

You're about the 50th RWnut to try this stupid argument.

What are you going to do with yours?

I'm going to buy you a pacifier in the shape of Trump's penis.

That's all you think about is sex ?

Typical for liberal

 

[NYcarbineer]

You gonna put your money where your mouth is LITERALLY?
Or are you going to be a two faced tard and keep the money?

You can't refuse a tax refund, dude. But, you should know that the price of labor is set by the market, not by the tax code. So, as workers take marginally more money home (for instance, an extra $1000 translates to $0.48/hour), companies will then be able to grant lesser initial salaries and lesser raises to workers. We can see this scenario play out in every trickle down fantasy for the last 40 years. But hey... who needs things like 'history" and facts, when we have whatever urges and passing thoughts fizzle into our colons, right?

IRS takes donations dude ..



And the rest you posted was just gibberish

Then I guess you'll be sending your tax cut in to help avoid the deficit going back up.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Yes it was..

• 
  How the $800B stimulus failed
  By Post Staff Report
  
  January 29, 2012 | 5:00am
  
  
  
  
  Vice President Joe Biden was eager to get moving. In office for only a month, the Obama administration had already passed a monumental economic stimulus plan to address the biggest downturn since the Great Depression.
  
  Now, at the first implementation meeting in 2009, Biden — with a smudged Ash Wednesday cross still on his forehead — declared that the stimulus would “literally drop kick us out of the recession.”
  
  Officially called the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, the $800 billion stimulus was the largest economic recovery program in history. Adjusted for inflation, it was nearly five times more expensive than the Works Progress Administration. It was bigger than the Louisiana Purchase, the Manhattan Project, the moon race and the Marshall Plan.
  
  Economists and nonpartisan forecasting firms estimate that the stimulus created and saved more than 2 million jobs. It generated an unprecedented buzz around clean energy. A relatively small pot of education grants goaded 32 states to enact major reforms, such as tying teacher pay to student performance or lifting caps on charter schools. When the last dime is spent, more than 41,000 miles of roads will be paved, widened and improved; 600,000 low-income homes weatherized; and more than 3,000 rural schools connected to high-speed Internet.
  
  But despite these achievements, the stimulus ultimately failed to do what America expected it to do — bring about a strong, sustainable recovery. The drop kick was shanked.
  
  The stimulus was supposed to work like this: First, a flood of money in tax cuts, food stamps and unemployment checks would get consumers spending. A deluge of education and health-care money would stanch the bleeding in state budgets.
  
  Then, a wave of “shovel-ready” infrastructure projects would kick in, creating new jobs repaving roads and making homes more energy efficient. As the economy got churning again, new investments in wind farms, solar panel factories, electric cars, broadband and high-speed rail would lead America out of the recession and into a 21st century economy competitive with the rest of the world.
  
  But it didn’t happen like that. The White House’s economists, like nearly every forecaster, misread the recession. The state assistance wasn’t enough to plug the budget holes and, in many cases, the school aid merely delayed rather than prevented teacher layoffs. Infrastructure projects took months longer to break ground than the public had been led to believe.
  
  In reporting on the stimulus over three years, I traveled to 15 states, interviewed hundreds of people and read through tens of thousands of government documents and project reports.
  
  What I found is that the stimulus failed to live up to its promise not because it was too small (as those on the left argue) or because Keynesian economics is obsolete (as those on the right argue), but because it was poorly designed. Even advocates for a bigger stimulus need to acknowledge that their argument is really one about design and presentation.
  
  The swing votes in Congress wouldn’t stomach a stimulus over a trillion dollars. So the questions are: Could the administration have sold the stimulus differently or could Congress have designed a more effective stimulus, leaving room for a second, longer-term recovery bill?
  
  INVISIBLE HELPING HAND
  
  One of the biggest problems was that so much of the stimulus was invisible. More than half of the package was in tax cuts and safety net programs.
  
  The largest single item was a $116 billion tax credit for the middle class. Yet rather than handing out checks, as other presidents had done, Obama dribbled it out in paychecks at about $10 a week. The economic team believed that people were more likely to spend it if it felt like an increase in income rather than a bonus.
  
  Perhaps that would have worked if the tax cut had been substantial. But spread out in tiny increments, it did little to overcome the prevailing fear of losing a job, a home and years of retirement savings. Not only did Obama lose the political credit but also the consumer excitement that a large check would have provided.
  
  It was also difficult to imagine the world that might have been if there had been no stimulus. If a teacher was in the classroom, no one gave the administration any credit. Money for Medicaid, unemployment checks and food stamps meant that somewhere down the line, a nurse and a grocery clerk kept their jobs. But it was hard to see the connection.
  
  The administration did little to help, instead showing off infrastructure projects that hadn’t started yet and creating the wrong impression that the stimulus was largely a public-works package.
  
  Even as the stimulus was pumping hundreds of billions of dollars into the economy in its first year, it appeared as if nothing was happening. The jobless rate skyrocketed, easily exceeding the poorly conceived chart Obama’s economic advisers had put together, showing that unemployment would never

Any questions?

Yea read a fucking US history book an educate yourself why....

Here is what is in history books:

Stimulus helped grow economy by 1-3% annually and create 2-3 million jobs coming out of the deepest recession in modern history. It's implementation was followed by 8 years of steady growth.

Lie .it was fracking and Republican govenors.. like Nikki Halley

Link to that amazing alt-fact history book.

Go-to love deniers on the alt left here... always trying to take history out of context.